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01/15/2011 01:58 PM (UTC)
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I can't believe people are so anal retentive about canon that they would dismiss a new adaptation of--wait, yeah I can. Happens all the time...


Oh, come on!

If someone adapts Lord of the Rings and turns Legolas into plastic surgeon, am I being anal retentive by complaining?

If someone adapts "Crime and Punishment" and turns Raskolnikov into a plastic surgeon, am I being anal retentive by complaining?

If someone adapts "To Kill and Mocking Bird" and... Bah. You get the idea. Anyone who adapts a story and does it so blatantly inaccurately is either

A) exploiting the franchise as a big name to sell his own story, or

B) has no faith in the franchise and is gutting it and filling it with something more trendy.

If some guy wants to make a movie about a bunch of serial killers entering a tournament, he should have the balls to label it as his own creation... but we all know why that didn't happen. Because a serial killer tournament is a lame idea and no serious production company would go for it without a money-driven name like Mortal Kombat. Hell, they had the Mortal Kombat name on their side, and Warner Bros STILL wouldn't go for it.
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01/15/2011 02:16 PM (UTC)
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I do not like the re imagining of Mortal Kombat. It could be good, dont get me wrong, it could end up badass, but at the same time Mortal Kombat is not about realism, its a fantasy game with fantasy lands with Kings and Queens and magic and demons and zombies and four armed giants and gods and stuff. If they are to make another Mortal Kombat movie, I hope its not a sequal to the first two movies, which were pretty bad, the first movie was much better than the second though. If they make another movie the first thing they should do is go for an R rating. Then get a really good cast, and keep the original story with all the fantasy stuff.
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01/15/2011 02:26 PM (UTC)
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TemperaryUserName Wrote:
Anyone who adapts a story and does it so blatantly inaccurately is either

A) exploiting the franchise as a big name to sell his own story, or

B) has no faith in the franchise and is gutting it and filling it with something more trendy.


That's exactly the feel I get from Rebirth and the interview the director gave about it too.

I'm not saying any MK movie needs to be as direct with the source material as the '95 flick was or more. I'm open to reinterpretations.

But you gotta have the spirit or theme of the original if nothing else. And Rebirth was just the character names slapped on a completely unique idea. It wasn't about Asian mysticism or tributing Hong Kong cinema or anything, it was a whole thing he made up on his own and then he called a black cop "Jax", a prisoner with white eyes "Scorpion", etc.

And like I said in the other thread, I might be willing to see a completely original grindhouse-style flick about this Deacon City where the police are out to shut down a mafia org. that's possibly possessed or a demon worshipper cult, full of bizarre serial killers in a sort of "Se7en with Ong Bak fight scenes"-ish plot.

But you can't just have an idea, slap a preexisting license on it for the name recognition, and cash in. Or look at a long-running established series and go "Well this is all lame, I'm gonna scrap everything 'cause I know better than the creators do." That's a dick move. If you're creative enough to come up with an idea like this, you're creative enough to name the characters and title of the movie something all your own and create a whole new intellectual property all your own instead of making an adaptation-in-name-only of somebody else's IP.
It's like okay, you can make Superman and you can make Smallville...but don't take Kal-El, cast Nic Cage, dress him like Edward Scissorhands, and tell me he's still Superman.
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01/15/2011 02:27 PM (UTC)
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I guess........... I'll hold on to my opinion until I see them.
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01/15/2011 02:32 PM (UTC)
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It's an alternate universe based on Mortal Kombat.

Everyone has alternate universes these days.

It's not something that's going to be based off the canon.

To be honest, I'm pumped.

My buddy LIVES in Vancouver - So, you better bet I'm gonna ask him to go and check shit out for me.
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01/15/2011 02:36 PM (UTC)
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01/15/2011 02:38 PM (UTC)
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For this to be a true Mortal Kombat all the chic's better get implants.smile
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01/15/2011 02:41 PM (UTC)
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As an artist I think the exercise is quite interesting to take something that really exist (MK universe) and twist it into something new while trying to keep a lot of it's references.

People will like it, or hate it... or love to hate it without trying to like it really. That,s what I find sad.

I'm all for that direction, that visualisation. It makes me wonder how will Kitana and Mileena be portrayed. How will they incorporate some of the small details that makes MK so great...

I always liked the setting of the first MK to be the best. That tournament, that island with that mystical sorcerer. Then the stteing became weird and we kind lost the tournament feel of it.

Just my view of it...
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01/15/2011 02:46 PM (UTC)
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I've said it once and it looks like I'll have to say it again-

Rest in Peace Mortal Kombat
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01/15/2011 02:48 PM (UTC)
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As long as the original cast remains, I'm good.

This seems like the ultimate opportunity to create a whole new outlook on Mortal Kombat. This could very well lead to a new film series, and even a game series.

I'm down for it.
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01/15/2011 02:56 PM (UTC)
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SUPER SPECIAL AWESOME BADASS!

I mean... seems cool.
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01/15/2011 03:01 PM (UTC)
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OH YEAH! I can't wait to see what this will look like!
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Kill3rInstinct
01/15/2011 03:02 PM (UTC)
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Um so is Johnny Cage going to die? That's probably not important, but is it REALLY necessary for an insane scientist to kill him with blades?

I hope they're going to revise and remake some of the characters. Baraka needs a new update. I'm not gonna believe that shit if they make him into a psycho surgeon/doctor. At LEAST get closer to the origins of the characters.

They got Jax and Sonya somewhat right, but Subzero was hideous. He looked like a modern-day Mr. Freeze.

They need to entwine realism WITH sorcery, magic, and mysticism -- not a new Batman Begins type shit. Maybe it's just me but from the rebirth video, it looked like all those characters belonged to an insane asylum. I hope this web series isn't gonna make all the characters out to be idiotic and mental.
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01/15/2011 03:14 PM (UTC)
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TemperaryUserName Wrote:
TheBigCityToilet Wrote:
I can't believe people are so anal retentive about canon that they would dismiss a new adaptation of--wait, yeah I can. Happens all the time...


Oh, come on!

If someone adapts Lord of the Rings and turns Legolas into plastic surgeon, am I being anal retentive by complaining?

If someone adapts "Crime and Punishment" and turns Raskolnikov into a plastic surgeon, am I being anal retentive by complaining?

If someone adapts "To Kill and Mocking Bird" and... Bah. You get the idea. Anyone who adapts a story and does it so blatantly inaccurately is either

A) exploiting the franchise as a big name to sell his own story, or

B) has no faith in the franchise and is gutting it and filling it with something more trendy.

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Yes, you're being anal retentive by complaining.

So what if a guy wants to look at the story from another angle? For all the talk of artistic integrity crap, deviating has given us good shit. Disney's Jungle Book practically threw the whole Kipling novel out the window, but it was funny as hell.

Or The Shawshank Redemption? Remember that? Red wasn't black in the original story. But Morgan Freeman made it the classic it is today. Shrek was just a 30 page book and they made at least two great movies out of it.

SHIT, you wanna take this to another level? They take REAL STORIES of things that ACTUALLY HAPPENED and doll them up for adaptations, and NOBODY COMPLAINS as long as the material is treated intelligently. Henry Hill himself said Goodfellas wasn't totally accurate but Scorsese still did a great job.

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01/15/2011 03:15 PM (UTC)
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I liked this version of the universe since the fist time I saw it (you have to take it as an alternate universe, marvel comic readers like me won't have any problem to adapt minds to that).

It's just a new story that makes a retake of each character. I can see Kitana and Mileena being actual twins, only that one of them suffered a brutal accident with some acid on her face, making her insane about that. This could be a really cool web series, and 10 apisodes gives more time than a film, so the story can be longer.
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01/15/2011 03:20 PM (UTC)
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I feel sick.

I will say this though:

1) The guy/director seems to "really like/respect" Mortal Kombat, so, hopefully he will do a good job with the tools/power he has been lucky enough to get.

2) I will be positive and wait for release before making a final judgment, but........

......judging from what we've seen already in the original trailer, if the final product is anything like that "story and character":

It fucking sucks.


I don't like his idea.
I don't like the concept.
I don't like the story.
I don't like what he is doing to the characters.
I don't like what he is doing to the WORLD of Mortal Kombat.

That trailer was everything BUT Mortal Kombat. It seriously makes no sense to name it Mortal Kombat. The guy is just using names of the characters and "the tournament" to link it to MK, but, that's pretty much it.

I love how he talks about "not going crazy on special moves", but, seriously, he can STILL keep the magic and mysticism without it being fucking campy and silly (Lord of the Rings????).

The only thing I have to make a judgement/opinion is that original trailer, and if this "MK web series" is going to be anything like that:

It fucking sucks.


BUT!!!!! All you lovers, don't bite my head off, I'm willing to give it a shot for what it is, even if it's not what it should be or what the majority would love to see.

Yes, I'm willing to give it a shot.

TemperaryUserName Wrote:
TheBigCityToilet Wrote:
I can't believe people are so anal retentive about canon that they would dismiss a new adaptation of--wait, yeah I can. Happens all the time...


Oh, come on!

If someone adapts Lord of the Rings and turns Legolas into plastic surgeon, am I being anal retentive by complaining?

If someone adapts "Crime and Punishment" and turns Raskolnikov into a plastic surgeon, am I being anal retentive by complaining?

If someone adapts "To Kill and Mocking Bird" and... Bah. You get the idea. Anyone who adapts a story and does it so blatantly inaccurately is either

A) exploiting the franchise as a big name to sell his own story, or

B) has no faith in the franchise and is gutting it and filling it with something more trendy.

If some guy wants to make a movie about a bunch of serial killers entering a tournament, he should have the balls to label it as his own creation... but we all know why that didn't happen. Because a serial killer tournament is a lame idea and no serious production company would go for it without a money-driven name like Mortal Kombat. Hell, they had the Mortal Kombat name on their side, and Warner Bros STILL wouldn't go for it.


This and more that I will not write at the moment because it might come off as too poisonous.
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01/15/2011 03:26 PM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
It's not just "canon", there's a difference between being directly connected and accurate to the games and just plain being in the right genre or feel or spirit. Some of us don't even like gritty crime drama.


True! Although with the success of CSI, NCIS, and Law & Order I'd go out on a limb and say they're pretty popular among mainstream audiences. Then again, this really isn't hitting mainstream audiences (unfortunately), so it has to hit that demographic of MK fans who like crime dramas. It's still probably a pretty large demo though.

TemperaryUserName Wrote:
TheBigCityToilet Wrote:
I can't believe people are so anal retentive about canon that they would dismiss a new adaptation of--wait, yeah I can. Happens all the time...


Oh, come on!

If someone adapts Lord of the Rings and turns Legolas into plastic surgeon, am I being anal retentive by complaining?.


He could go back and change the Baraka thing. He could go back and change a lot of things. He got backlash mostly for the Baraka thing so it would be hard for me to imagine him not changing it.

Edit: For simplification.
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01/15/2011 03:30 PM (UTC)
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I've said it once and it looks like I'll have to say it again-

Rest in Peace Mortal Kombat
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Right on man. That is why it was called "Rebirth" Your insight into the matter is so fresh.

By the way, anyone see the videos for the new Devil May Cry game? That seems to be a drastically different take on the series.


This guy made something a lot cooler than MK: A. That we should be thankful for and anticipating his potential. I don't see why everyone is clamoring for a straightforward interpretation (when they have failed so miserably in the past).


If anything, take solace in that these will be webisodes and WB is not throwing all their cards in for a big budget film. If MK9 sells out the roof by sticking to the formula and the history of the series then you better believe WB will be putting big $ into a full feature movie that does the same.
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01/15/2011 03:56 PM (UTC)
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Holy cow! I didn't expect there to be so many babies on here crying about this!

I for one am excited by this news. Michael Jai White is a great actor and martial artist, the MK trailer was dark and action-packed, and I'd love to see an alternate universe take on Mortal Kombat.

... and that's why I'm MORE than okay with this because this is an ALTERNATE UNIVERSE version of Mortal Kombat.

This happens all the bloody time. Spider-Man has an entire GAME built around the different types of Spider-men (616, 2099, Noir, Ultimate), there's are dozens of alternate worlds of Star Wars, and they've rebooted Lara Croft and Prince of Persia plenty of times already.

Biggest case in point, look at Batman:


Here's a character that has every iteration from childishly campy to extremely dark, twisted, and disturbing. Batman's had stories in universes where he's a vampire, a pirate, a futuristic clone monster created by Hitler, a caveman, and far more. Whether it's the gritty realism of the movies, the beauty of the animated series, or the campy fun of the Adam West series, Batman is still Batman and worth a look in all these iterations.

And Mortal Kombat has ALWAYS been a series of iterations as well. While I prefer the game series proper, Mortal Kombat has left its mark on a variety of different mediums with different tones, all with their own fanbase.



I just don't get how some fans can be so adamant that others can't deviate from their singular vision of the world and universe and take all these fascinating characters full of conflict and depth and apply them to a different set of circumstances in a different, unique way. If they ultimately end up not liking it, they always have a different "vision" to fall back on, but if you give it a shot with an open-mind, you may come away very surprised and satisfied.

I think this is a great thing, and I can't wait to see the Webisodes. Here's hoping Black Dynamite gets to fight a bit more and his partnership with Sonya isn't undone by kung-fu treachery.
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01/15/2011 04:06 PM (UTC)
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Personally, I couldn't care less what they do with the movies because the movies are among some of the worst films I've ever seen. I tried to watch the first one a couple of months ago and I fell asleep. The guy is experimenting with a piece of shit so it will either still be shit when he's done with it or it will be better. sleep
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01/15/2011 04:10 PM (UTC)
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Garlador Wrote:
Holy cow! I didn't expect there to be so many babies on here crying about this!

I for one am excited by this news. Michael Jai White is a great actor and martial artist, the MK trailer was dark and action-packed, and I'd love to see an alternate universe take on Mortal Kombat.

... and that's why I'm MORE than okay with this because this is an ALTERNATE UNIVERSE version of Mortal Kombat.

This happens all the bloody time. Spider-Man has an entire GAME built around the different types of Spider-men (616, 2099, Noir, Ultimate), there's are dozens of alternate worlds of Star Wars, and they've rebooted Lara Croft and Prince of Persia plenty of times already.

Biggest case in point, look at Batman:


Here's a character that has every iteration from childishly campy to extremely dark, twisted, and disturbing. Batman's had stories in universes where he's a vampire, a pirate, a futuristic clone monster created by Hitler, a caveman, and far more. Whether it's the gritty realism of the movies, the beauty of the animated series, or the campy fun of the Adam West series, Batman is still Batman and worth a look in all these iterations.

And Mortal Kombat has ALWAYS been a series of iterations as well. While I prefer the game series proper, Mortal Kombat has left its mark on a variety of different mediums with different tones, all with their own fanbase.



I just don't get how some fans can be so adamant that others can't deviate from their singular vision of the world and universe and take all these fascinating characters full of conflict and depth and apply them to a different set of circumstances in a different, unique way. If they ultimately end up not liking it, they always have a different "vision" to fall back on, but if you give it a shot with an open-mind, you may come away very surprised and satisfied.

I think this is a great thing, and I can't wait to see the Webisodes. Here's hoping Black Dynamite gets to fight a bit more and his partnership with Sonya isn't undone by kung-fu treachery.

This!
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01/15/2011 04:23 PM (UTC)
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So nolan's batman isnt that close to the comics (no robin no justice league etc etc) and it was a huge success.

Even the batman comics have alternate versions.

why cant mk be the same. You have the move/conquest version, the game version and the rebirth version.

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01/15/2011 04:58 PM (UTC)
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i would rather see it in a movie form to much will be left out
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01/15/2011 05:08 PM (UTC)
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Garlador Wrote:
Holy cow! I didn't expect there to be so many babies on here crying about this!

I for one am excited by this news. Michael Jai White is a great actor and martial artist, the MK trailer was dark and action-packed, and I'd love to see an alternate universe take on Mortal Kombat.

... and that's why I'm MORE than okay with this because this is an ALTERNATE UNIVERSE version of Mortal Kombat.

This happens all the bloody time. Spider-Man has an entire GAME built around the different types of Spider-men (616, 2099, Noir, Ultimate), there's are dozens of alternate worlds of Star Wars, and they've rebooted Lara Croft and Prince of Persia plenty of times already.

Biggest case in point, look at Batman:


Here's a character that has every iteration from childishly campy to extremely dark, twisted, and disturbing. Batman's had stories in universes where he's a vampire, a pirate, a futuristic clone monster created by Hitler, a caveman, and far more. Whether it's the gritty realism of the movies, the beauty of the animated series, or the campy fun of the Adam West series, Batman is still Batman and worth a look in all these iterations.

And Mortal Kombat has ALWAYS been a series of iterations as well. While I prefer the game series proper, Mortal Kombat has left its mark on a variety of different mediums with different tones, all with their own fanbase.



I just don't get how some fans can be so adamant that others can't deviate from their singular vision of the world and universe and take all these fascinating characters full of conflict and depth and apply them to a different set of circumstances in a different, unique way. If they ultimately end up not liking it, they always have a different "vision" to fall back on, but if you give it a shot with an open-mind, you may come away very surprised and satisfied.

I think this is a great thing, and I can't wait to see the Webisodes. Here's hoping Black Dynamite gets to fight a bit more and his partnership with Sonya isn't undone by kung-fu treachery.


I couldnt agree more its a alternate universe so it is not CANON hear me again NOT CANON if it is.give it a chance at leats.This guy really (seems) to like it but if it comes out any more different ill have a change of opinion.furious
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01/15/2011 05:10 PM (UTC)
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I quite like the sound of this mostly because I quite liked what they did do with Baraka and Reptile.

It was just bizarre.
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