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04/08/2019 04:58 PM (UTC)
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Theres too much evidence leading to more than 25

Really? Because I don't see it.

I listed it. You really think the leaks got everything right except for unlockables? Even with Shang, they were 200% sure he was in, they just heard conflicting things about him being DLC or unlockable and guess whos first up for DLC. But hell, if they could accurately predict all that, and Cetrion, and her relation to Shinnok, and Kollector, and how many arms he has, and Frost, as well as her design changes and story implications, they might as well play Power Ball and get a couple million. Thats a hell of a coincidence.

So you're saying there's 6 more secret unlockable characters in the game their keeping quiet outside of the KNOWN 25 and not counting DLC Shang? Is that what you're saying?

Nope. I am saying the leaks are pretty damn accurate and considering they, out of all of that, had only one out of at least a dozen other predictions go slightly south still is quite an amazing track record. So if all of that other stuff they predicted is true (and it is) and they also predicted there are 2 or 3 unlockable characters outside of the 25 and that those characters are not DLC (which they have) then given that 95% accuracy rating I am inclined to believe it because of literally everything else they told us that they couldnt have luckily guessed.

Also, who ever said anything about 6 unlockables?? The leak was 34 after KP1 is said and done. Even the leaked photo backs that up. 25 base, 6 DLC and 3 unlockables - 34.

So that rules out a Kombat Pack 2 since Ed Boon said there would be thirty something fighters at the end. Another 6 fighters would take the roster to 40. We will know soon enough. There are only two weeks left until launch and he game has gone gold. Inevtiably there will be people who get early copies.

Unless a potential KP2 isnt 6 characters. If its 4 then that matches everything he said; "25 to start," 3 to unlock, 6 in KP1 and 4 in KP2 "ending with 30 something." Specifically 38.

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04/08/2019 05:46 PM (UTC)
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I feel like... there are way too many people taking bits and pieces of subtle information and speculation and acting like they're conclusive proof in this thread. On both sides of the argument.

We're all just guessing

As I've said many times, I'm taking the 25 characters we know as a given. I'm cautiously hopeful about additional unlockables, but I've appropriately braced myself for the idea they may not exist.

I agree that should they exist, NRS would want to keep them well hidden, and step 1 would be "How have they leaked in the past, and how do we avoid that?" "Oh well yeah, take the useless achievement off the list. That's a no brainer."

I agree that it's also entirely likely, based on the fact that we have no tangible evidence, that they may not exist, and are merely the stuff of speculative fairy tales, just like the Super Unlockables in Deception, or Fujin in MKX.

Haven't we done this song and dance for like 5 or 6 Mortal Kombat games in a row now? Some of ya'll need to dial back the, "AH-HA! THIS PROVES IT!" mentality, and just... go with the flow. Wait and see. None of us know squat. If we did know squat, we wouldn't be arguing about it on a forum. We'd be quietly twiddling our fingers manically like Mr. Burns, waiting out the end of our NDA agreements, watching everyone who doesn't know go crazy.

Wait a minute -- you're quietly twiddling your thumbs watching everyone go crazy.... WHAT DO YOU KNOW?!!

*pulls a gun*

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04/08/2019 05:57 PM (UTC)
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Theres too much evidence leading to more than 25

Really? Because I don't see it.

I listed it. You really think the leaks got everything right except for unlockables? Even with Shang, they were 200% sure he was in, they just heard conflicting things about him being DLC or unlockable and guess whos first up for DLC. But hell, if they could accurately predict all that, and Cetrion, and her relation to Shinnok, and Kollector, and how many arms he has, and Frost, as well as her design changes and story implications, they might as well play Power Ball and get a couple million. Thats a hell of a coincidence.

So you're saying there's 6 more secret unlockable characters in the game their keeping quiet outside of the KNOWN 25 and not counting DLC Shang? Is that what you're saying?

Nope. I am saying the leaks are pretty damn accurate and considering they, out of all of that, had only one out of at least a dozen other predictions go slightly south still is quite an amazing track record. So if all of that other stuff they predicted is true (and it is) and they also predicted there are 2 or 3 unlockable characters outside of the 25 and that those characters are not DLC (which they have) then given that 95% accuracy rating I am inclined to believe it because of literally everything else they told us that they couldnt have luckily guessed.

Also, who ever said anything about 6 unlockables?? The leak was 34 after KP1 is said and done. Even the leaked photo backs that up. 25 base, 6 DLC and 3 unlockables - 34.

So that rules out a Kombat Pack 2 since Ed Boon said there would be thirty something fighters at the end. Another 6 fighters would take the roster to 40. We will know soon enough. There are only two weeks left until launch and he game has gone gold. Inevtiably there will be people who get early copies.

Unless a potential KP2 isnt 6 characters. If its 4 then that matches everything he said; "25 to start," 3 to unlock, 6 in KP1 and 4 in KP2 "ending with 30 something." Specifically 38.

Or they're not marketing ahead to KP2 until KP1 makes the rounds. Or he's not too quick with the math and still thought it'd be thirty-something. Or saying a number more specific than "thirty-something" would give too much away... especially if the number was 40.

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04/09/2019 12:08 AM (UTC)Edited 04/09/2019 12:09 AM (UTC)
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I really think the only way to make the entire fanbase happy is... wait for it... another MK Armageddon game where every character is in it

Maybe not another Armageddon, but I personally wouldn't mind a large roster tag-team based MK game that's NON-CANON and features a huge 40-50 character roster. No guests. Basically something a long the lines of Tekken Tag Tournament 2.

Something that's big and fun. A giant fan service game before the next serious main installment. People get their damn Rains, their Fujins, their Haviks ect. Just nothing but fun.

Armageddon's mistake was that it tried to be canon.

I'd be in on this idea if it was a 2D return to digitized actor's sprites, but Ed Boon doesn't like this idea.

This, Shaolin Monks 2 (or HD remake), an arcade collection featuring Trilogy, Gold and DA, a 3D remake of the original arcade version

Anything like that would be fine. I just want them to break away from the main games for at least one game- I really think it'll be refreshing and is much needed at this point in time. Tensions and pressures are high among the hardcore fans these days- people stressing over plot inconsistencies, arguing over roster spots, fighting over who deserves to be in/out- Yeah, that's typical with every new MK game but it seems to have reached a boiling point over the last two games.

Just do a big non-canon roster game or a giant MK Adventure spin-off game with a variety of selectable characters- It'll make most fans happy and give NRS a break from having to focus so hard on a story driven-main entry. Even if it means waiting much longer for MK12, I don't think that'll be much of a sacrifice.

I hope they consider such options.

I've been wanting to see a prequel game centered on the tournament from 500 years ago. We could see the characters featured in the memorial room where Raiden meets Jin in MKX: the Great Kung Lao, one of Johnny's ancestors (with similar powers but a totally different personality), a Kenshi ancestor, a former Lin Kuei Grandmaster... along with a Red Dragon operative from before there were Black Dragons, a pre-Columbian Native American, a European knight, a representative from one of the great African empires, and whoever else they want to bring in from around the 1490's. Some classic characters like Raiden, Kitana, and Shang would be around, and they could even fit in lesser-seen Outworld faces like Rain, Sheeva, and Reiko.

Since Great Kung Lao is supposed to die, they could even frame the story from Outworld's perspective -- possibly as a Goro origin story. Maybe the Shokan are currently out of favor with the Emperor and Prince Goro rises to defeat the undefeatable Kung Lao to regain their honor. And the Earthrealm warriors can be seen as somewhat villainous if they kill the Zaterran spies in their midst and defeat their matriarch in Mortal Kombat, leaving a young Reptile as the orphaned last known survivor of his race.

If it's not a straight fighting game, I think it would be fun to have a Shaolin Monks style adventure game featuring Goro, with the same kind of PvP side mode as Shaolin Monks had. An adventure format makes it more possible to feature Motaro as a boss -- a natural rival who seeks to thwart Goro's rise, and who Goro defeats and chooses to humiliate rather than kill.

Can we add a new character into that as well? More specifically someone as a nod to the MK Conquest TV series that was centered around Great Kung-Lao?

I've been wanting to see Vorpax cross over to the games for a long time. That would be a sweet nod.

WB Own the Conquest show and now they own MK as a whole haha It's perfect.

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04/09/2019 12:24 AM (UTC)
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I like Sheeva, I really do. But I think she would be a huge waste of a DLC spot unless NRS truly make her a fucking work of Art with brilliant gameplay and fatalities...but even then I'd rather they save all that hardwork for MK12 or a future game for her to appear in.

Sheeva does not need to be in MK11 in my book.

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04/09/2019 02:19 AM (UTC)
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I've been wanting to see a prequel game centered on the tournament from 500 years ago. We could see the characters featured in the memorial room where Raiden meets Jin in MKX: the Great Kung Lao, one of Johnny's ancestors (with similar powers but a totally different personality), a Kenshi ancestor, a former Lin Kuei Grandmaster... along with a Red Dragon operative from before there were Black Dragons, a pre-Columbian Native American, a European knight, a representative from one of the great African empires, and whoever else they want to bring in from around the 1490's. Some classic characters like Raiden, Kitana, and Shang would be around, and they could even fit in lesser-seen Outworld faces like Rain, Sheeva, and Reiko.

Since Great Kung Lao is supposed to die, they could even frame the story from Outworld's perspective -- possibly as a Goro origin story. Maybe the Shokan are currently out of favor with the Emperor and Prince Goro rises to defeat the undefeatable Kung Lao to regain their honor. And the Earthrealm warriors can be seen as somewhat villainous if they kill the Zaterran spies in their midst and defeat their matriarch in Mortal Kombat, leaving a young Reptile as the orphaned last known survivor of his race.

If it's not a straight fighting game, I think it would be fun to have a Shaolin Monks style adventure game featuring Goro, with the same kind of PvP side mode as Shaolin Monks had. An adventure format makes it more possible to feature Motaro as a boss -- a natural rival who seeks to thwart Goro's rise, and who Goro defeats and chooses to humiliate rather than kill.

Can we add a new character into that as well? More specifically someone as a nod to the MK Conquest TV series that was centered around Great Kung-Lao?

I've been wanting to see Vorpax cross over to the games for a long time. That would be a sweet nod.

WB Own the Conquest show and now they own MK as a whole haha It's perfect.

As long as we're dreaming, why not? Haha.

It sounds like her race has a lot in common with the Kytinn, so if they included Vorpax they might decide to retcon her to be a freaky bug lady....

The name still fits though, and it would be super entertaining to see a D'vorah-looking thing still manage to be an effective seductress. Maybe she exudes sexy pheromones or something.

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04/09/2019 09:21 AM (UTC)
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Hey, I've been barking up the 'make a prequel game' for years now. Better time than ever now especially since time travel is involved.

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04/09/2019 12:20 PM (UTC)
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Unless a potential KP2 isnt 6 characters. If its 4 then that matches everything he said; "25 to start," 3 to unlock, 6 in KP1 and 4 in KP2 "ending with 30 something." Specifically 38.

The Switch version went live and there were 13 pieces of DLC also listed. 1 is Shao Kahn since he is a pre-order bonus. 6 for the KP1 and that would leave 6 for KP2.

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04/09/2019 05:52 PM (UTC)
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Unless a potential KP2 isnt 6 characters. If its 4 then that matches everything he said; "25 to start," 3 to unlock, 6 in KP1 and 4 in KP2 "ending with 30 something." Specifically 38.

The Switch version went live and there were 13 pieces of DLC also listed. 1 is Shao Kahn since he is a pre-order bonus. 6 for the KP1 and that would leave 6 for KP2.

The Kombat pack comes with more than just characters. I believe it's been listed as containing 7 skins & 7 sets of gear as well (I assume the gear sets match the skins. I'm using Soviet Skarlet as a basis for that theory, as she appeared to have a new mask & gear matching her skin in the images we've seen)

Assuming they're available for individual purchase and Kahn ISN'T included in that tally, 7 + 6 = 13

But we don't necessarily know that the skins/gear will be available for individual purchase, so who knows what the actual tally is.

All I'm saying is, I doubt they're accounting for Kombat Pack 2 this early, and those 13 pieces of DLC VERY likely account for more than just characters. Skins. Gear. "Unlock the Whole Krypt", Easy Fatalities. I'm sure there's an ample amount of stupid DLC most of us don't care about too. MKX had plenty.

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04/09/2019 06:20 PM (UTC)
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We probably won't hear anything legit on Kombat Pack 2 until like October.

Unless they'll shock us and announce they'll do three Kombat Packs this time around.

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04/09/2019 06:45 PM (UTC)
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Unless a potential KP2 isnt 6 characters. If its 4 then that matches everything he said; "25 to start," 3 to unlock, 6 in KP1 and 4 in KP2 "ending with 30 something." Specifically 38.

The Switch version went live and there were 13 pieces of DLC also listed. 1 is Shao Kahn since he is a pre-order bonus. 6 for the KP1 and that would leave 6 for KP2.

The Kombat pack comes with more than just characters. I believe it's been listed as containing 7 skins & 7 sets of gear as well (I assume the gear sets match the skins. I'm using Soviet Skarlet as a basis for that theory, as she appeared to have a new mask & gear matching her skin in the images we've seen)

Assuming they're available for individual purchase and Kahn ISN'T included in that tally, 7 + 6 = 13

But we don't necessarily know that the skins/gear will be available for individual purchase, so who knows what the actual tally is.

All I'm saying is, I doubt they're accounting for Kombat Pack 2 this early, and those 13 pieces of DLC VERY likely account for more than just characters. Skins. Gear. "Unlock the Whole Krypt", Easy Fatalities. I'm sure there's an ample amount of stupid DLC most of us don't care about too. MKX had plenty.

The code for the DLC says bundle in each and in the past every character had a skin set as well. So the customer would have the choice of buying the character alone, the skin pack alone or the character and skin in one DLC. That would amount to 3 different sets not 2.

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04/10/2019 01:00 AM (UTC)
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Unless a potential KP2 isnt 6 characters. If its 4 then that matches everything he said; "25 to start," 3 to unlock, 6 in KP1 and 4 in KP2 "ending with 30 something." Specifically 38.

The Switch version went live and there were 13 pieces of DLC also listed. 1 is Shao Kahn since he is a pre-order bonus. 6 for the KP1 and that would leave 6 for KP2.

The Kombat pack comes with more than just characters. I believe it's been listed as containing 7 skins & 7 sets of gear as well (I assume the gear sets match the skins. I'm using Soviet Skarlet as a basis for that theory, as she appeared to have a new mask & gear matching her skin in the images we've seen)

Assuming they're available for individual purchase and Kahn ISN'T included in that tally, 7 + 6 = 13

But we don't necessarily know that the skins/gear will be available for individual purchase, so who knows what the actual tally is.

All I'm saying is, I doubt they're accounting for Kombat Pack 2 this early, and those 13 pieces of DLC VERY likely account for more than just characters. Skins. Gear. "Unlock the Whole Krypt", Easy Fatalities. I'm sure there's an ample amount of stupid DLC most of us don't care about too. MKX had plenty.

The code for the DLC says bundle in each and in the past every character had a skin set as well. So the customer would have the choice of buying the character alone, the skin pack alone or the character and skin in one DLC. That would amount to 3 different sets not 2.

Yeah, I'm not pretending I know what the breakdown is, I'm just saying it seems extremely unlikely that those 13 pieces of DLC have anything to do with Kombat Pack 2, as your last post suggested. You said 1 for Kahn, 6 for KP1 & 6 for KP2, as if the 13 characters corresponded to the 13 pieces of DLC.

They probably don't even extend to the end of Kombat Pack 1. They're probably just 13 pieces of random wave 1 DLC... For instance...

Shao Kahn
Shang Tsung
Shang Tsung + Skin Bundle
Skin Bundle Alone
Easy Fatalities
Character 2
Skin Bundle 2 Alone
Character 2 + Skin Bundle 2
Easy Fatalities
Unlock the Krypt
Kombat Pack 1 in and of itself (keep in mind this too, is a piece of DLC)
Soviet Skarlet (Whether we get her in other countries or not, she'd have to be ready Day 1 for those who do get her)
Brazil Kano (See previous)

And voila, we're at 13 already. Keep in mind, I'm not saying that's my actual guess as to what these 13 pieces of DLC are, I'm sure I didn't hit the nail on the head, I'm just throwing out random examples.

It's likely the preloaded DLC on Nintendo is just the stuff they have ready or close to ready NOW, I doubt it has anything at all to do with Kombat Pack 2, and it's likely not even the full extent of Kombat Pack 1.

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04/10/2019 01:08 AM (UTC)
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Related but unrelated:

I notice Shao Kahn is already available for individual (separate) purchase in the Switch store for $5.99... so there's your price if you don't get a free one. Presumably available day 1, based on the fact you can already buy him.

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04/10/2019 03:44 AM (UTC)
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Stop with the super unlockable crap people! It's just as annoying as the 500 fake leaks we had. Its 24 plus Kahn and 6 DLC. That is confirmed 100% so far with a possible KP2 with lets say 6 people, that is 37 kharacters. That is "30 something" Boon mentioned. We know Shang isnt a super unlockable so that still leaves the roster to 39 with the fake leak added. It's more than likely that shinnok and mileena are DLC than anything but I would love to be suprised.... (we would know day 1 by miners anyway) and they would of showed up in the trophy list as you have to complete a game at 100% to get a plat in any game (minus DLC later down the road). Dont bet on Shinnok and mileena as playable or you will be very let down.

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04/10/2019 03:50 AM (UTC)
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Stop with the super unlockable crap people! It's just as annoying as the 500 fake leaks we had. Its 24 plus Kahn and 6 DLC. That is confirmed 100% so far with a possible KP2 with lets say 6 people, that is 37 kharacters. That is "30 something" Boon mentioned.

Boom.

That's all she wrote.

This isn't 2004, people still believing in this super unlockable and super secret hidden character stuff are DELUSIONAL and quite franklycruel to keep getting people's hopes up.

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04/10/2019 06:15 AM (UTC)
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RE: Super unlockables

...But what if...

:-)

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04/10/2019 06:39 AM (UTC)Edited 04/10/2019 07:09 AM (UTC)
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Stop with the super unlockable crap people! It's just as annoying as the 500 fake leaks we had. Its 24 plus Kahn and 6 DLC. That is confirmed 100% so far with a possible KP2 with lets say 6 people, that is 37 kharacters. That is "30 something" Boon mentioned. We know Shang isnt a super unlockable so that still leaves the roster to 39 with the fake leak added. It's more than likely that shinnok and mileena are DLC than anything but I would love to be suprised.... (we would know day 1 by miners anyway) and they would of showed up in the trophy list as you have to complete a game at 100% to get a plat in any game (minus DLC later down the road). Dont bet on Shinnok and mileena as playable or you will be very let down.

I mean.....sure but them not being achievements or trophies means nothing other than they arent as stupid to include them if theyre secret. Tons of games dont spoil secrets in trophies. All that means is they learned their lesson not to be so dumb, lmao.

Also, no one is saying unlockables are for sure in. All I am saying is given the leaks very good accuracy that it looks likely. For all we know, maybe the leak was from info based on the middle of last year and those 3 didnt get done in time so theyve been pushed or cancelled outright. (Shinnok as DLC lmao Yeah right, talk about waste of space) But they say there are unlockables on top of everything else that was proven true so I am optimistic.

Even if there are not any, we still have an amazing looking game on the way (with an okay roster) and tons of DLC fighters to look forward to.

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04/10/2019 07:37 AM (UTC)
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RE: Super unlockables

...But what if...

:-)

Then these guys will look really really stupid.

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04/10/2019 09:26 AM (UTC)
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Stop with the super unlockable crap people! It's just as annoying as the 500 fake leaks we had. Its 24 plus Kahn and 6 DLC. That is confirmed 100% so far with a possible KP2 with lets say 6 people, that is 37 kharacters. That is "30 something" Boon mentioned.

Boom.

That's all she wrote.

This isn't 2004, people still believing in this super unlockable and super secret hidden character stuff are DELUSIONAL and quite franklycruel to keep getting people's hopes up.

I think people are just in denial that a certain character didn't make the roster and are trying to find ways that they might still make it. But you're right; they're setting themselves, and others, up for disappointment.

I'm all for having fun and speculating things, but there are times when we've just gotta sit back and wait for more info, rather than trying to pick apart every little thing and make wild thoeries that Ed's tone of voice when talking about Animal Crossing is a sign that there is a secret unlockable character who is the love-child of Rain and Mileena.

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04/10/2019 06:47 PM (UTC)
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For me the evidence in favor of more characters has as much to do with the select screen leak on the official site as it does the info leak. Those 28-29 spots signal that either:

  • The game has 24 base characters, Shao Kahn, and 3-4 extras. (The 29th slot might not be a fourth unlockable as some suspected, but could have been placed in anticipation of the first DLC announcement.)
  • The game has 24 base characters, Shao Kahn, and the extra slots are in anticipation of some -- but not all -- of the first Kombat Pack. Maybe they're not highlighting the guest characters, though it's a mystery why they wouldn't include their previous best selling DLC type in the marketing.
  • There was some huge miscommunication with the web team.
  • I'm not making a call as to which possibility is definitely right. But KenshiMaster has already outlined pretty clearly why the first one has a chance.

    We've also learned that the Day 1 patch is going to be almost three times the size of the data on disc. That's a lot of content not on the base release. That could mean a lot of things... possibly that there is content they don't want getting out early, if people get a hold of the disc ahead of time.

    I'm not keeping my hopes too far up, but I don't see a lot of reason to keep the hope too far down either. Unless you're the type who's really sensitive about the roster, I guess.

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    Theres also this pic that backs it up;

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    Theres also this pic that backs it up;

    That's photoshopped.

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    04/11/2019 01:55 AM (UTC)Edited 04/11/2019 02:01 AM (UTC)
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    Theres also this pic that backs it up;

    That's photoshopped.

    Is that your opinion or a fact, cause its been floating around for several weeks. Supposedly its a training thing for GameStop employees, not from the legit website.

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    Theres also this pic that backs it up;

    That's photoshopped.

    Is that your opinion or a fact, cause its been floating around for several weeks. Supposedly its a training thing for GameStop employees, not from the legit website.

    Fact. It's been proven false.

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    Theres also this pic that backs it up;

    That's photoshopped.

    Is that your opinion or a fact, cause its been floating around for several weeks. Supposedly its a training thing for GameStop employees, not from the legit website.

    Fact. It's been proven false.

    Thats good to know. Lol Guess thats what happens when your work week is 50 hours lmao Im out of the loop on stuff.

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