Or instead of you clowns complaining about SJW... Mk11 wb and ed boom could be billionaires by selling the better skins for you know...money?!!! Heyyyy!!!!!! Enerma smoke, human smoke, cyborg smoke, sexy half naked Scarlett and jade, kitana khan queen outfit, every version of reptile, MK1 Liu Lang, revenent, ghost, zombie. Bi- han with grim reaper face and blue subby outfit, Darth Vader noob saibot. Grim reaper noob saibot, kano noob saibot, 16 bit (pixeled) noob saibot, old shang taunt, young shang tsung. MKDA pirate shang tsung. Mk3 shang tsung, more half naked females for the $$$. More half naked males for the $$$. More premium skins (reiko shao khan) for the $$$. They are obviously saving the better skins for later and using actual covered up main tactical gear outfits for the canon storyline as nobody will fight in a bikini in real life in war. Also first female boss ever and shes bald... That was purposefully made for SJW community whether you want to believe it or not.

Bald or not, Kronie's still getting her tail kicked. As is the fate of all bosses.

you do know this standard has been the other way around since forever right so arguing that it's not fair that a guy is 3/4 naked compare to a girl in a game is kind of not a big argument to go to

you do know that in tv shows, movies, and in games females are mostly nude or wearing revealing outfits, there was no reason for that girl in my bloody valentine movie be completely nude for more then a second running around showing off everything it wasn't because she was like 'oh its not fair guys always shirtless in stuff ima be nude' it was cause it was written into the script that she be nude, so if a guy in a video game is more revealing then a female so be it, why do you care. everything they do is catered to women for being the emotional parts, but the nudity or the girl in a bra and panty is for those guys to get them into the movie or show, you never see/hear a straight guy turn to his friends and be like 'dude let's go the notebook because i want to see rachel and ryan kiss' you usually see the bf/husband being dragged to the movies for their woman. Maureen and Phil in Scream 2 their entire opening scene is one example of what is going on with the world sorry not sorry

tekken, street fighter, dead or alive is created by guys who want to see that stuff cause why else would they have chun li breast jiggle everywhere, and they cater their games to people like it who are the pervs or enjoy it, but arguing that a guy is more revealing a female come on already gay or straight is this really what the world is coming to

mk game comes out OMG i hate this person that person let's make 50 threads on it

mk game comes out oh now the females are covered up ugh this sucks i wanted them in bikinis, once again porn gay or straight porn its free online you want to see naked people they get paid for being nude

video game characters you want them revealing is a bit sad, and if you don't like that baraka is wearing shorts very simply don't pick that skin he has a ton more options and customization for the game that everyone is so hard on hating the game for.

once again a thread that is about positivity turns into a bunch of people turning the positive thing into a negative thing when for this thread is pointless

now if you people can go back to what the thread was about, nrs made their females look good let's continue on with the positive part of what the thread was about

We took a slight diversion because of something I brought up, but it was in fact related to Skarlet's new costume.

I never said anything like this. I pointed out many other external sources that served as inspiration for different aspects of the MKU. Please don't misrepresent my views. The topic we discussed pertained to Outworld specifically, but even there I didn't claim that there's no alternative source material. On the contrary, I named more than just the one that we focused on. My main point, however, was that Earthrealm already exists as a representative for anything more modern, military, futuristic, cybernetic, etc. That doesn't mean you can't have these elements bleed into other Realms as well, but it would have to be done sparingly in order to avoid ruining the diversity; Netherrealm, Outworld, Earthrealm: they are all distinct and that's what makes it appealing imo. Maybe that's the most important part here: "in my opinion". It's a subjective view; a personal preference, albeit rooted in logic, evidence and insight, and not formed out of thin air. With that, I'm ready to let this go, because I don't want to get drawn into a long back-and-forth, while the only reasonable conclusion will be that you either agree, or you don't. It's fine if you (or anyone) disagree(s), let's move on..

"it has nothing to do with this sjw" spoken like a true sjw

....On second thought, let's go back to talking about He-Man.

Yeah.. but why even have a discussion when people are all agreeing on something they like? You go: "I love her outfit!" I go: "Yeah man, me too!" Someone else goes: "I agree, she looks so good!" A fourth person goes: "Can't wait to play her, her new design is so good!" - what's the point? Might as well just give the OP a thumbs up and be done with it.

In the Netherlands there's this show on tv, on current events and stuff, called "Man bijt hond", which means "Man bites dog", as opposed to "Dog bites man", because a dog biting a man isn't news, but a man biting a dog is. So that's what makes for a good discussion: the thing that stands out, is controversial, is abnormal or noteworthy, etc. If you just want everybody to agree on something positive, then you'll never be content, because you're talking about something highly subjective; taste, preference, opinions, point of views.

Besides, you're complaining about people having a discussion about character/costume designs, and you want them to focus on the positive, whatever that means, but then you're telling people who like female fighting game characters showing some skin they are pathetic, and that they should go watch porn. Are you for real? Let's all just agree with your personal preferences, so that you're happy, because you're so enlightened and morally superior.

Now I'm kinda hoping they pull another MK9 Mileena...

I'm actually surprised at how conservative Mileena looked in X. That was shocking

i'm not asking anyone to agree with me, nor do i think i'm morally superior

but you are getting pissed cause skarlet's outfit is too covered up and you want the females to show off skin so you have a thread where people say positive things about the subject then there are people like you who will argue they want to see more skin

and people are pissed about her look cause her face looks off and her hair is more dark then having red in it, and her hair is short.if this is your argument over a character cause she is covered up then go work for ed and see how far you will go with the designs

Wow, this thread is amazing. It can be, at least in my opinion, boiled down to this: if a costume is the most important thing in the world to you, whether it shows T&A or not, you've got to rethink why you're buying this game.

Do I like sexy Skarlet, Jade, Kitana, etc? Yeah, of course. But if they get redesigned and still look bad ass, I'm not gonna complain about it. I'm not buying MK to see tits jiggle everywhere, I',m buying it to continue the story of one of my favorite franchises and rip heads off

^^^^^^^ this thank you

It kinda seemed like you were, but ok..

You said that people who want to see nudity in fighting games are sad and that they should go watch porn. This cannot be detached from some kind of ethical standard, and so indirectly, you're implying something there..

I don't get pissed over any of this, trust me. If you'd see me typing, you'd see I'm perfectly calm. If anything, you seemed upset over the fact that people were having a discussion about things they didn't like, and you only want them to talk about things they all love. That's fine, but it also makes for one boring 'discussion'. Besides, if you're not asking people to agree with you, then what's the problem with arguments over disagreements?

I never said anything about that. My stance on this is that either is fine, as long as it's well designed, and if it fits for the character's personality, story and context. Skarlet can be fully dressed, or she can be half naked, I don't really have a specific preference, as long as it makes some kind of sense to me, and looks cool.

And the problem with this is what exactly?

I like her facial design, her short black hair doesn't bother me, and I would totally understand people who DO have a problem with these things, because that's all subjective. I have more of an issue with people trying to silence those who have criticisms. Not everybody's going to agree on something as subjective as a character/costume design. You must understand that, right? So then what's your problem?

One: that was never MY argument, nor do I agree with that view. And two: Ed would probably love my ideas, because I think I have a good sense of what would work and what wouldn't. In fact, I made a 2D Baraka animation of his fighting stance, where I gave Baraka a battleflag (carried on his back), and I gave him a gladiator mask. I also wrote movelists for my own hypothetical mugen game, in which I gave Baraka a 4 hit, forward moving Rekka type of swipe attack, and a porcupine move, where quills come out of his back, shoulders and arms. I also wrote a detailed description of a new Arena, in which the Tarkatans are shown in the background. All of this was more than 8 months ago. So yeah, I think I have some decent ideas, seeing as how all of the above eventually showed up in Mortal Kombat 11.

He has the power, you know.

yeah sorry i'm not getting upset over what you people say, i just find it annoying that everyone has opinions but if you disagree you start to argue with that said person.

and yeah you are getting upset with the outfits because you want them to fit the context of that said character, skarlet is from outworld and being covered up does not suit her she is looking more like earthrealm did you not say that?

then you go off on how they can't think of their character designs cause they should fit in with their realms and should look more like conan type of clothes/characteristic,

and i'm not silencing anyone have your opinion all i'm saying is it's a game like @SmokinInTh says if you care what the characters are wearing then you are buying the game for the wrong reason. if you hate Skarlet's primary outfit she has her second one they keep showing in the videos

As long as it's civil, and people don't start using ad hominem arguments..

No, I said that her clothing design should stick to the Outworld reality, and I want to stress here that this is MY own opinion; so if people disagree with what that reality should or shouldn't be, then that's another topic, but I never said that she shouldn't be fully clothed. I think there really shouldn't be any type of prescribed dresscode for these characters, unless there's a valid reason for it. I think many people, such as yourself, are approaching this as if it's all about female equality and woman's rights, while I don't think that's much of a factor here. It's about personal preferences. What will you do with the guy who said he was gay, but loved seeing some nudity in female fighting game characters? What will you do with women who prefer a more sexual costume for a female character? You can't argue that it's unjust or socially inappropriate: it's simply about what people prefer. They're not sad or perverted, just because you feel that showing a half naked woman in a game is somehow wrong. The only valid reasons to argue for fully clothed females have to do with context and appeal. If a fully dressed Skarlet design looks cool, then I'd pick that one over a bikini Skarlet, or if the clothed design looks stupid imo, and the half naked Skarlet is well designed, then I'll pick the latter. It's that simple. But I think it's better to at least give people a choice, instead of ONLY giving them the fully clothed option.

I think you misinterpreted most of what I was saying there, but it's ok..

How characters look plays a major role, for most people, so that's a moot point. But it's not the only reason why someone spends that much money on a game. I don't know anybody who ever bought a game, purely because of appealing visuals. You have to be into fighting games, you have to enjoy the lore, the characters themselves, the story, the competition, etc. It's not just about costumes. But again; costumes play a significant role, because you're gonna be looking at that screen/character a LOT, so of course the design of the character is important.

And hopefully some more than just those three.

Good point... I have always thought that they under utilized the skins. I would pay money to get additional skins for my favorite characters. And there are so many that they just refuse to create. Like a unique human reptile skin that isn’t a color swap ninja costume.

Speaking of the double standard being backwards...

You know who's a dude who hasn't worn a lot of clothes for about 35 years now...

He-Man.

(See, bringing it all together, lol)

IT'S ALL CONNECTED

What an ignorant disgusting comment. Get out of the card board box you live in.

My sincerest apologies for my ignorance.

I am deeply sorry if I offended anyone.

I think not feeling as compelled to sexualize the female characters as they were in MK9 has kinda opened NRS up a bit creatively, at least from what I’ve seen.

When you’re trying to showcas much skin as possible, it usually (though perhaps not always) limits what you can do with clothing. Plus, as some have said, it takes away from the believability that these are all fighters. I personally think, and this is just me, that having a game where a dude dressed like a cop fighting against a woman in a bikini is somewhat ridiculous.

I also think that the way sexuality was presented in MK9 was rather juvenile. Not exactly a scorching hot take, I know. But I look at Skarlet in MK11 and I see a sinister grin, a fun hairstyle, skin tight clothes and an overall look that’s both functional and attractive and it makes me think the devs have moved beyond the Dead or Alive / Street Fighter V level of creating attractive characters and I like that.

As for this idea that there’s a double standard where it comes to men and then having their shirts off and what not, I’d humbly offer this: Its not the same.

Think about how society views men and women. Men use scantily clad women to sell things. They’re considered alluring, demure, etc. When are used to sell things, they’re usually depicted as your buddy, or cool, or masculine. But they’re not nearly as objectified as women, where a lot of times they’re essentially boiled down to their specific body parts and their eagerness to arouse you or please you.

Shao Khan, the thigh daddy that’s been used a lot as the example of male sexploitation isn’t depicted as eager to please you or demure or alluring. He’s depicted as evil, aggressive, powerful and manly.

He’s not swinging from a pole like Jade. He’s not wearing a tiny string bikini like Skarlet or thin lines of wrapping that barely cover him in all the right places like Mileena. He’s an Outworld emperor, yet his package isn’t emphasized the way an Earthrealm female military officers breasts were in Sonya, and Outworld is apparently the place where people dress more provocatively.

There has never ever been a male character that’s been objectified in the specific way the women were objectified in MK9. Not once.

Now, you might not care, and if you don’t, that’s fine. To each his own. You might say it’s just a game, who cares. I personally think that it’s one small piece of a much larger tapestry that comprises a culture that has, throughout history, sexualized men in a dominant way and sexualized women (far more commonly, I might add) in a submissive way, and in both the frequency and the method of that sexualization fosters inequality among genders and appeals to our most basic level of lust, which is just lazy.

You can make malecand female characters attractive (or not) in a variety of ways. I don’t think it personally has to matter too much for the purpose of s game about fighting, but either way, if they do care about that aspect of the characters personality, and I think NRS does to an extent, then find more interesting and complex ways of making your characters appealing.

For MK11, I think they’ve done that, somewhat. Character’s faces look better and so do their facial expressions. Movement looks more fluid. Each character has a unique look and style that works for them. Every character looks better and has more realistic shaping and muscles and what not. Every character looks powerful and impactful and has agency.

To me, that all adds up to a more compelling cast and an an overall better game, but again, that’s just me.

"He’s not swinging from a pole like Jade ." how the heck do you know that ? you seen his gameplay ? also thats just your opinion alot of people got different view than you and that wont be changed by you sharing that said opinion . ye mk9 was over the top costume wise for the female chars indeed . but they could at least have sticked to the mkx style and not gone even further .

The other conversation proved to be far more interesting than another round of troll wrestling, and debating how naked the Mortal Kombats should or shouldn't be. But if you want my opinion (HAAA!) then I'll say that I have no problem with the ladies wearing less when it suits their character, and more when it suits their character. Same with the guys. And overall, I'm mighty glad they look a lot less like cartoon characters than they did in MK9. Same with the overly bulked up physiques of quick and nimble fighters like Liu Kang.

I would like to direct your attention to your initial post that got this conversation rolling. Specifically: "You first need to understand that Outworld is based on a Hyborian type of world," followed up with a laundry list of comparisons, and why they need to stick with this one idea because that's what Outworld is. You tempered your argument later after I first questioned your premise. Gillbob wasn't misrepresenting your point; you revised it, and you were still pretty insistent that Conan aesthetics were the only way to go, all the same.

I get where your train of thought is coming from, but I can't say I'm really on board. Before we put this completely to bed, I have just a couple more things to say:

John Tobias co-wrote the story where Kano introduces Outworld to futuristic Earth tech. That scene in MK9 where Tarkatans are storming the city using guns? That was inspired by Kano's bio back in MK3. So if you're framing your argument against Skarlet's suit (and Erron Black's existence, full stop) around the sanctity of Mortal Kombat's early influences, then brother, I'm afraid you're gonna have to reckon with that one.

Speaking of Kano and Erron Black....

In MK3, Deadly Alliance, and MKX, Kano is just as much of an Earthrealmer defecting to Outworld as Erron Black is. So I'm wondering if you feel the same frustration with Kano as you do with Black: Are his cybernetic enhancements "stupid" now that he plays for the Outworld team, because they go against the Hyborian ideal? Keep in mind, this is a man who actually served as a general for Shao Kahn's army after supplying their arms in MK3, so he is every bit an Outworlder now, just like Erron Black. Now also keep in mind, Black's been at it far longer and has picked up more of the local style -- even crafting a sword out of a Tarkatan armblade and learning a bit of sand magic. He's adapted Outworld elements to his own style in a way that Kano "The Eye Laser" never has. So: If Erron Black is a problem, then is MK3 Kano an even worse problem for the same reasons?

Ultimately, I think that if Earthrealm can get a pass for having a strong magical streak alongside its futuristic elements, and is not confined to having to represent just one aesthetic, then I think Outworld (a world that thrives by eating other worlds and making use of its inhabitants' people and resources) can borrow some lightweight style elements from Earth and everywhere else without it being too big a deal.

Besides, like, I know a bunch of women who hate the fact that it's so easy to find men's clothes with ample pockets, but most women's clothes either have no pockets, or the pockets are fake for some dumbass reason. So now we get to see a lady living on a desert wasteland planet, with some actual useful pockets on her outfit, and I'm thinking, you know... cool.

Good thing there are going to be many skins so everybody can get the character design to their liking. I think they won't go the MK9 "stripper" path, but still show some skin.
I'm liking the designs of the women. Only thing I'm not liking is still the face of Sonya and Cassie. Too different from MKX and it isn't because MK11 has more detail than MKX. It's because Sonya had more of an oval (longer face) and now has a round short face. Cassie still has the same ratio of her face, but matches too much with Sonya's current face, for obvious reasons. Which again is too different from het MKX face (which too my opinion was more pleasing).

The hair of the women? I think NRS is mosly focussing on ponytails and short(er) hair because of Kitana's hair in MK9 going all places.

I don't like Skarlet's "burka" or goggles either. But I'm not going to complain about it, she has other skins without it, so I'll just be picking those.
And I was never a fan of Mortal Kombat desert themes. But that's just my personal preference.

And with males not being sexual objectified, I disagree. Because they too have always been "sexualized". It isn't because women like different things from a body than men do, that the one isn't objectified. Many male-character have always been very muscular and "naked" from the waist up. Let's even look at Johnny Cage's original "Bloodsport" outfit. Just thight shorts with a band. That's it.

My opinion basicly is, I like the designs up 'till now. They may put some skins in there, showing some more "skin", but we don't need to go to levels of MK9. Same for the males.
And also, you can always have sexual appeal, even with a good amount of clothes on.

I think there was some miscommunication. I was talking about Jade swinging from a pole in MK9 and saying Shao Khan didn’t do that. Either way, I doubt they’ll suddenly decide to make him sexually provocative for the first time in MK11, but I was specifically talking about MK9 with that reference.

As for the rest of what I said, of course it’s just my opinion. I feel like I kinda bent over backwards to indicate that what I was saying was just my opinion and that if you think differently, no problem.

As for them going even further in MKX with the female outfits, we haven’t seen the whole roster yet, much less every outfit and skin available. You might end up being right, but let’s not jump the gun here.