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02/20/2019 03:41 PM (UTC)
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I would like to direct your attention to your initial post that got this conversation rolling. Specifically: "You first need to understand that Outworld is based on a Hyborian type of world," followed up with a laundry list of comparisons, and why they need to stick with this one idea because that's what Outworld is.

Yes, that functioned as the main external source for the creation and concept of the Outer World. I don't think you have to limit yourself to it, nor do you need to start copying it to the tee, but as a basis, that's what needs to be kept in mind, especially when coming up with Outworld characters/designs specifically. I didn't argue that no other influences should be considered. Lemme stress here that this is my opinion. I don't think it's an opinion that Outworld is extremely similar to that type of world, because that's what all the comparisons are for (to prove the point), but me thinking 'we' should try to stick to that IS my personal opinion.

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You tempered your argument later after I first questioned your premise

No, this is how I feel about it, if details were missing, then it's because it was already a long comment on my part.

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Gillbob wasn't misrepresenting your point

I think I know what my own stance on the matter is, thank you.

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you were still pretty insistent that Conan aesthetics were the only way to go

It's the best blueprint imo, sure.

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That was inspired by Kano's bio back in MK3

I am aware of the lore and details. Tobias was using multiple sources, I already said this, some of which deviated from what I would consider the prime and most efficient sources. Other things, he made up, of course. Some stories work, others don't, and then there's a grey area. What's your point? Because I'm not sure what you're arguing over. You already seemed to agree with the basic premise, but you disagree with me disliking Erron Black's 'existence', which I never said by the way. Sure, I think the character's a boring potato, but the concept could work. I disagree with him existing in Outworld, irregardless of the justification they came up with. This is in the realm of preferences. I think he doesn't fit, just like I think Skarlet would work better, visually, conceptually, as a true product of her own world, instead of giving her goggles (for example) and saying that yeah well maybe she got 'm from Kano. Sure, maybe.. I still think the character would be more interesting if her design kept true to her roots. You might as well argue that Kano gave Shao Kahn night vision goggles, an uzi and camo cargo pants, and so now the (former) ruler of Outworld has a costume like that. The justification is there, but that doesn't mean it's a good idea.

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So I'm wondering if you feel the same frustration with Kano as you do with Black

Erron Black's from a past era. The idea there, clearly was to add a gunslinger to the game. Justification came later. Kano's contemporary. I want characters to stay true to what they are, where they're from, and what makes sense. This has to do with costumes, which is the reason why I even wrote that bit. Kano's Pirate costume. NRS comes up with absurd costumes that don't make any logical sense. That was my main issue, and that's why I wrote it.

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Are his cybernetic enhancements "stupid" now that he plays for the Outworld team, because they go against the Hyborian ideal?

You're being quite obnoxious now. I think I've explained my points sufficiently, and I have stated many times that this is my opinion, and that I'm only speaking for me, so no need to be a dick about it. This was never about Kano. There is interatcion between MK Realms, so why would it be "stupid" to have Kano in Outworld? Again, Kano's a staple. Erron Black was just an "hey, let's make a gunslinger character" addition who didn't even play much of a role in the game.

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Besides, like, I know a bunch of women who hate the fact that it's so easy to find men's clothes with ample pockets, but most women's clothes either have no pockets, or the pockets are fake for some dumbass reason. So now we get to see a lady living on a desert wasteland planet, with some actual useful pockets on her outfit, and I'm thinking, you know... cool.

You could do that without dressing her like a futuristic nomad from Russia.

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02/20/2019 03:55 PM (UTC)
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I'm honestly surprised this seems to be the biggest news that is coming from this game. You look on other sites and all they complain about is that there isn't enough T&A. I'm surprised that people want more designs like Mileena's strip outfit, or Sonya's cleavage from MK9, despite Sonya's cleavage being more out of character for her than any other other rendition of her in the series. I've always found those eye roll worthy.

Sonya/Cassie/Jacqie are in special forces, why in the world would they be wearing revealing outfits?
Skarlet had no design in MK9. Why in the world would you want her to go back to that?
Mileena isn't in this game, yet, but you would probably expect her outfit to be a bit more provocative.
The Netherrealm royalty characters all seem to have armor as a common theme. You see that with Kitana, Liu Kang, and now Jade.
D'vorah is a bug. She has an exoskeleton, and her render has her without clothing. She is topless, and she is pantless. Advocates of characters without clothing rejoice. You finally have your first totally naked character.

This is also a game about equipment and gear swaps. IF you have Mileena wrapped up in a piece of tape, is the color of the tape going to change her moveset? That isn't practical, and seems silly.

Since Kronika is being mentioned, I think her design is fantastic, and I wish she was playable.


I'm way more interested in how the characters play, but no one seems to be interested in discussing that anywhere else. Just how much skin they do, or don't have, and that's really unfortunate. We have these amazing character revamps with Raiden, and Skarlet, who look like major contenders for me to play. I'm excited to have D'vorah back; as she was my favorite from MKX [along with FT], and, as of this moment, Raiden, Skarlet, and [if D'vorah plays anything like MKX] will be my top contenders for character playing so far [seriously never thought Raiden would be in my character choices to play].

I'm excited that combos have moved from MKX endless jugglestyle, to incorporating so much personality into each combo [this is how I ended up playing as D'vorah in MKX]. When you see Raiden doing a combo, you know it's Raiden. It's not just a beatdown, it's a beatdown that involves lightning, flying through the air, and his staff prominently. That's the stuff I wish we would talk about, but we're stuck on costumes.

At least the game is <2 months away.

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02/20/2019 04:30 PM (UTC)
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I'm honestly surprised this seems to be the biggest news that is coming from this game. You look on other sites and all they complain about is that there isn't enough T&A. I'm surprised that people want more designs like Mileena's strip outfit, or Sonya's cleavage from MK9, despite Sonya's cleavage being more out of character for her than any other other rendition of her in the series. I've always found those eye roll worthy.

Sonya/Cassie/Jacqie are in special forces, why in the world would they be wearing revealing outfits?
Skarlet had no design in MK9. Why in the world would you want her to go back to that?
Mileena isn't in this game, yet, but you would probably expect her outfit to be a bit more provocative.
The Netherrealm royalty characters all seem to have armor as a common theme. You see that with Kitana, Liu Kang, and now Jade.
D'vorah is a bug. She has an exoskeleton, and her render has her without clothing. She is topless, and she is pantless. Advocates of characters without clothing rejoice. You finally have your first totally naked character.

This is also a game about equipment and gear swaps. IF you have Mileena wrapped up in a piece of tape, is the color of the tape going to change her moveset? That isn't practical, and seems silly.

Since Kronika is being mentioned, I think her design is fantastic, and I wish she was playable.


I'm way more interested in how the characters play, but no one seems to be interested in discussing that anywhere else. Just how much skin they do, or don't have, and that's really unfortunate. We have these amazing character revamps with Raiden, and Skarlet, who look like major contenders for me to play. I'm excited to have D'vorah back; as she was my favorite from MKX [along with FT], and, as of this moment, Raiden, Skarlet, and [if D'vorah plays anything like MKX] will be my top contenders for character playing so far [seriously never thought Raiden would be in my character choices to play].

I'm excited that combos have moved from MKX endless jugglestyle, to incorporating so much personality into each combo [this is how I ended up playing as D'vorah in MKX]. When you see Raiden doing a combo, you know it's Raiden. It's not just a beatdown, it's a beatdown that involves lightning, flying through the air, and his staff prominently. That's the stuff I wish we would talk about, but we're stuck on costumes.

At least the game is <2 months away.

Yeah, this whole thread is kind of a shit show at this point. There’s a part of me that suspects that may have been the intention...

i share in your excitement, though. Jade’s elegance as she beats you to death with her staff, Raidens newfound malice as he smites his enemies, Kabal’s ego oozing as he races around his opponents, are all touches to each character that’s been most welcome. Derek Kirtzic said they’re really digging in deep to the core of these characters while designing them and it shows. Can’t wait to get my hands on this game.

Plus bonus points to you for liking Ferra/Torr. There seems to be so little of us around.

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02/20/2019 05:14 PM (UTC)
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April 23rd can't come fast enough. I want this game now.

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02/20/2019 08:49 PM (UTC)Edited 02/20/2019 09:01 PM (UTC)
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>you do know this standard has been the other way around since forever right so arguing that it's not fair that a guy is 3/4 naked compare to a girl in a game is kind of not a big argument to go to<

Thanks for proving my point. It is never about equality to femiNazis, it is always about victim vomit. Let me get you a bucket and a mop to clean up your puddle. It's ok that MK11 has a double standard because "insert random women are victims reason here"

>mk game comes out oh now the females are covered up ugh this sucks i wanted them in bikinis, once again porn gay or straight porn its free online you want to see naked people they get paid for being nude<

Good lord, the amount of victim flailing because MK went full sharia and women are not allowed to show skin, but males can, is both alarming and amusing. Again, it is not about a sexual thrill, it is about a double standard, of which your femiNazi brain seems OK with.

>video game characters you want them revealing is a bit sad, and if you don't like that baraka is wearing shorts very simply don't pick that skin he has a ton more options and customization for the game that everyone is so hard on hating the game for.<

Why cant that be true for female characters, my dear femiNazi? Why cant females have one outfit that is revealing, like Baraka, but if you do not like that just pick a more clothed appearance? (insert your unshaven armpit inspired women oppression excuse here)

>once again a thread that is about positivity turns into a bunch of people turning the positive thing into a negative thing when for this thread is pointless<

I didnt know Sharia law for MK was a positive thing. I didnt know a double standard on attire simply based on gender was a positive thing, either. But you do you. There is NOTHING positive about seeing characters for a series I have supported since the first was in arcades devolve and cave to liberal double standards.

>now if you people can go back to what the thread was about, nrs made their females look good let's continue on with the positive part of what the thread was about<

Whether they look good, or not, depends entirely on how many colors your armpit hair is. Trust me.

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02/20/2019 09:14 PM (UTC)Edited 02/20/2019 09:18 PM (UTC)
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I didnt know Sharia law for MK was a positive thing

I think these remarks are ignorant. One, it's a game, we're not actually looking at real people. They're digital models. As such, me personally, I don't really care about this entire topic (clothed or not), I just want a good game with cool designs. Two, you probably don't know much about "Sharia law", which is why you said "law law" instead of "Sharia", or "Islamic law". Sharia literally means "law". Arab speakers call western law "Sharia" just the same. "The law" is more than women covering up.

Most of Islamic law deals with stuff that is exactly the same as any other law: because religion is irrelevant for when it comes to infrastructure, schooling, healthcare, traffic, public transportation, safety, commerce, etc. Besides, most countries have laws pertaining to how people can and cannot dress. You're not free to show up at work wearing a bikini, you can't go to the mall naked, and many countries have dress-codes in schools.

Juristic details differ depending on where you are in the Islamic world, as there are four major schools of thought in Sunni Islam alone, so Sharia in Morocco is not the same as Sharia in Saudi Arabia. Christian nuns have always covered up. Every statue of Mary shows her wearing some kind of head covering. So just leave the "Sharia" comparison out of this. Islam has nothing to do with how Skarlet looks in a Mortal Kombat game, and I doubt any of the proponents of the fully covered Skarlet here are actually Muslim. I'm Muslim, and I don't care either way; she can be covered up entirely, or half naked: as long as it makes sense and it's a decent design. It's not a real human being anyway.

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02/20/2019 09:15 PM (UTC)
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I fully support NRS decision to heavily limit sexual fan service in this game.

The ladies are very well decently designed. I hate it when devs turn female characters into sluts....

DoA6 is going downhill.

Thanks NRS, keep it up !

BREAKING NEWS: Concept art for Jade in MK12 is released and its STUNNING!

http://aviewfromtheright.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/woman-in-full-burqa-green.jpg

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02/20/2019 09:18 PM (UTC)Edited 02/20/2019 09:21 PM (UTC)
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>I'm a Muslim, and I think these remarks are ignorant.<

I have seen countless videos of your Sharia. Your claim I am ignorant on it is amusing. Shall I start posting videos of how women are treated under the brutal patriarchal subjugation of Islam? Shall I list all the countries where women do not have a choice whether they want to cover up, or not? The celebration by feminists that women are now walking mummys in MK11 is just one step closer to your ideology's end goal: the forced dress code of females. Utterly confounding, and certainly not a step in the right direction of equality for women.

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02/20/2019 09:23 PM (UTC)
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You do need lessons, apparently, because "Sharia law" to you is nothing more than women wearing a Niqab apparently. I'm telling you that any sharia, whether it's Islamic, Jewish, secular or whatever, any Law deals with far more than those things that you are referring to. But thanks for sharing your anti-Islamic views in a videogame topic.

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02/20/2019 09:29 PM (UTC)
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Sounds like some taqiya. Note you refuse to confirm how women are treated under Islam, or their forced attire. It's OK, MK11 should be right up your alley with the forced covering of females. Allah will be most pleased.

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You do need lessons, apparently, because "Sharia law" to you is nothing more than women wearing a Niqab apparently. I'm telling you that any sharia, whether it's Islamic, Jewish, secular or whatever, any Law deals with far more than those things that you are referring to. But thanks for sharing your anti-Islamic views in a videogame topic.

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02/20/2019 09:38 PM (UTC)Edited 02/20/2019 09:45 PM (UTC)
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Sounds like some taqiya

Lol you're one of those guys.. look, I'd love to discuss Islam with you, but this is not the place for that. Just drop the comparison, as nobody ever brought it up as an argument for their opinions concerning how Skarlet should be dressed. You bring it up, because you connect a covered up Skarlet in a Mortal Kombat game to Islamic interference, somehow.. but since nobody uses it as an actual argument, it's nothing but a straw-man argument on your part, that pertains to no one, and you're only projecting this nonsense on a non-existing party in the discussion.

Designers over at NRS are not following Islamic precepts. Or would you argue that they are? If so, then you're an even bigger idiot than I thought. If not, then leave Islam out of it, as it is completely irrelevant to anything MK related.

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Note you refuse to confirm how women are treated under Islam

It's an utterly irrelevant topic. This is a site and a topic that deals with a videogame. I'm not going to actually have a discussion with you about Islamic laws. I just pointed out the irrationality of even bringing it up.. which you did, several times. You don't like Islam, that's fine.. I don't like mozzarella on my pizza: who cares? This is not the place for your anti-Islamic sentiments. I'm new to this site, I came here for stuff related to Mortal Kombat, not for this irrelevant, incoherent nonsense.

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02/20/2019 10:24 PM (UTC)
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Wow, people are on this thread are still going

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02/20/2019 10:38 PM (UTC)
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I think I'm actually done here.

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02/20/2019 11:08 PM (UTC)
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raindrops on roses and
whiskers on kittens
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these are a few of my favorite things

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02/21/2019 12:26 AM (UTC)
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My sincerest apologies for my ignorance.

I am deeply sorry if I offended anyone.

It's 2019. You offended 15 people this morning by waking up.

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02/21/2019 12:28 AM (UTC)
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My sincerest apologies for my ignorance.

I am deeply sorry if I offended anyone.

It's 2019. You offended 15 people this morning by waking up.

You're right, I should have stayed in bed. I'm tired as crap.

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02/21/2019 12:33 AM (UTC)
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Anyone who likes viewing tittiesor skin in games or movies should be able to say they like it without being attacked. Anyone who thinks titties and skin should be covered up shouldn't be attacked, either. If someone insults you because they don't agree with what you're saying (provided you said it in a civil matter), they are jerks, plain and simple. Remember--just because someone's offended doesn't make them right. (In fact, I'd say it says much more about the offended party 99% of the time.)

Flesh pits Mileena made sense in context. It's not like The Outworld has johnny shirts n scrubs. Jade's poledance winpose in MK9 bothered me more, but not in a righteous indignation, boycott way. I agree about MK9 Sonya's unnecessary cleavage, and Skarlet's primary. On PS Vita I usually use Skarlet's second or klassik outfits. I'm not against having "sexy" designs, as long as they're not overboard piggish.

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02/21/2019 04:51 AM (UTC)Edited 02/21/2019 05:02 AM (UTC)
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>Thanks for proving my point. It is never about equality to femiNazis, it is always about victim vomit. Let me get you a bucket and a mop to clean up your puddle. It's ok that MK11 has a double standard because "insert random women are victims reason here"<

So you seem to have the belief that there’s a double standard here because a gross looking dude has his shirt off, but the four women shown so far aren’t scantily clad or even showing that much skin.

Two problems with that. One, you’re essentially claiming creative restriction while arguing that the devs should restrict themselves, just in the opposite direction.

The other issue is that sexuality is depicted differently for men and women in society. Sure, Shao Khan has his shirt off in MK9, But was he swinging from a pole like Jade? Was he wearing butt floss and a tiny bra like Skarlet or wrappings like Mileena? Were any of the men essentially wearing borderline lingerie and acting like fighting made them horny like Mileena?

How about in MK11? Does Baraka having no shirt seem at all sexualized? Is he running his hands along his body like Mileena did in MK9? No, because without their shirts, the men in MK have always been depicted like warriors. Now the women look tough and imposing. Their clothes fit who they are as characters instead of being military fetish or edenian fantasy.

If you prefer that, then really, more power to you. But NRS decided to go in a different direction creatively. That’s all.

>Good lord, the amount of victim flailing because MK went full sharia and women are not allowed to show skin, but males can, is both alarming and amusing. Again, it is not about a sexual thrill, it is about a double standard, of which your femiNazi brain seems OK with.<

Are you aware of how lacking in knowledge you sound here or do you just not care? You’re the one that sounds like you’re playing the victim because apparently NRS did something horrible to the series you love.

You also clearly know nothing about sharia. Only the absolute worst of it. It would be like seeing a klan lynching and assuming all whites people are in the klan.

It’s a fallacy created by lack of knowledge of an entire religion and how that religion is adhered to in practice throughout the world. Yes, there are religious fundamentalists in Islam, but the same goes with every other religion. We just don’t hear about those as much because they’re not used to drum up fear and resentment nearly to the extent that Islam is in the west, particularly in America.

As far as the double standard part, again, Baraka having his shirt off is not the same. It’s just not. If you want to look at that one aspect of sexual depiction, go right ahead, but it’s not the only one. He’s depicted as a warrior. Shao Khan was depicted as a warrior in MK9. So was Johnny. Had any of them actually been sexualized, you would’ve seen them wearing something like a banana hammock and behaving like a chip n dales dancer. That’s more of a one to one comparison.

They all look more like warriors, skin or no skin. That’s what I like about all the looks so far in MK11. They all have unique identities in their looks and they all look cool so far. If they show some skin on the women and still make them look badass and it fits them as warriors, no problem. I’ll honestly be shocked if they don’t have some slightly more revealing outfits, but I don’t think there would be a double standard if they didn’t.

>Why cant that be true for female characters, my dear femiNazi? Why cant females have one outfit that is revealing, like Baraka, but if you do not like that just pick a more clothed appearance? (insert your unshaven armpit inspired women oppression excuse here)<

LOL man you sound so threatened by women. You’re practically screaming it out. Why is that?

Your view of feminism is so utterly skewed. I’d guess that most female feminists shave their armpits. You seem to be equating a logical, moderate group with the worst, man hating misandrists out there. It’s like assuming all Muslims must be totally down with stoning women for not walking ten paces behind their husband.

You seem to have the most extreme version in your mind of the people you hate. I don’t know if you realize it, but that makes your opinions rather extreme.

>I didnt know Sharia law for MK was a positive thing. I didnt know a double standard on attire simply based on gender was a positive thing, either. But you do you. There is NOTHING positive about seeing characters for a series I have supported since the first was in arcades devolve and cave to liberal double standards.<

So when they’re doing what you want, it’s creative freedom, But if they’re not, it’s not creative freedom, it’s kowtowing to a liberal agenda. That makes zero sense. Ed Boon states before MKX that THEY decided that they maybe went a bit too far in some of their creative choices in MK9. Why do you automatically assume that means they caved to the demands of others?

Plenty of other games, especially fighting games, have stuck to a path that they prefer. Street Fighter V, Soul Calibur VI, Tekken 7, Guilty Gear, the list goes on. But some devs have decided to go a different route as time goes on. That’s obviously their right too, regardless of what you may think.

Killer Instinct decided to make their female characters more practical looking for the most part and focus less on the T&A than the 90’s games did. In spite of some fans complaining about it and assuming outside pressure, they’ve stated multiple times that it was their creative choice. So why is it so bad that MK decided to go this route?

Oh and since you’ve played MK since the first one, like me, were you also railing against Sonya back then, who was largely covered up and dressed more like a warrior? If not, why does it bother you now if it didn’t bother you then?

>Whether they look good, or not, depends entirely on how many colors your armpit hair is. Trust me.<

Seriously, what’s not to like? They have more of an identity from a physical standpoint then ever before. I’d take that over some new variation of the bra, panty, one piece swimsuit, boobs hanging out same old same old they had for many of the games prior to MKX.

I’d rather see a practical, warrior look for all characters and have unique, individual identities depicted in what they wear than have half the cast look that way while the other is essentially wearing the same combat lingerie or fetish gear, but to each his own.

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02/21/2019 06:28 AM (UTC)
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here he goes again ranting and ranting and complaining cus he knows best and only his opinions are valid . kinda funny as well that you complain that much just shows u being a big part of it as well .

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02/21/2019 06:47 AM (UTC)
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I don't know about the rest of you

But now I'm really hoping for Ashrah

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02/21/2019 11:49 AM (UTC)
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But now I'm really hoping for Ashrah

Don't tell Randwulf that even her name is Arabic.

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02/21/2019 12:10 PM (UTC)
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I fully support NRS decision to heavily limit sexual fan service in this game.

The ladies are very well decently designed. I hate it when devs turn female characters into sluts....

DoA6 is going downhill.

Thanks NRS, keep it up !

BREAKING NEWS: Concept art for Jade in MK12 is released and its STUNNING!

http://aviewfromtheright.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/08/woman-in-full-burqa-green.jpg

Are you done masturbating to DoA6 girls bouncing ?

https://a4-images.myspacecdn.com/images03/31/375746f2c1414335b259ae839c36ace2/300x300.jpg

It's amusing how you ended up concluding that I am Muslims and all.... Maybe some Muslims treat the other gender with more respect ... That they don't want to see all women turned into porn stars to amuse their virginity in their soon to be kicked out of parents basement.

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02/21/2019 04:10 PM (UTC)
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here he goes again ranting and ranting and complaining cus he knows best and only his opinions are valid . kinda funny as well that you complain that much just shows u being a big part of it as well .

Are you talking about me? I’m just having a conversation here.

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02/21/2019 06:23 PM (UTC)
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The way this thread has gone, if Frost is revealed, being Sub-Zero with breasts will be the least of her worries.

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