Reasoning why the sex has been toned down in MK11
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RE: Reasoning why the sex has been toned down in MK11
06/10/2019 07:54 PM EST
06/10/2019 08:00 PM EST
Riyakou
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You're just as guilty of it so I don't know why you're implying it's a one side whine fest.

Only one side is whining. The other side is ridiculing.

Is it any better? I guess not, but I'm being honest. Given the subject, I'd rather be the ridiculer than whiner.

But you're right, the thread would stop if one side quits. I'm not gonna lie, though. As I've stated before, seeing what else these folks say have to say has become amusing for me. I'll just have to pry myself from it all.

'' Given the subject, I'd rather be the ridiculer than whiner. ''

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The thing is, you don't have to do either.

I don't understand why people can't grasp that simple concept.

If all that you have to say is personal insults and to ridicule, then it's better not to say anything tbh.

People are entitled to be disappointed, and if all that you do is ridicule them for being disappointed then you're really the one whining yourself as well as the one being a jerk.
Some of the leaked dialogue for Sindel is extremely disappointing to me and is basically just a retcon of her character which I find extremely distasteful ( NRS is seriously awful at keeping their characters and lore consistent... I don't feel like they respect their characters at all ).
Whether you agree with my opinion on that or not for example, you don't have to say anything.

If you think that my opinion is dumb you can just move on, you don't have to choose to be a jerk about it.

And it's the same with the costumes.

People being disappointed and upset when things in a very long running series ( probably older than a lot of people playing it tbh ) is fully understandable. People are very invested into these characters.

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RE: Reasoning why the sex has been toned down in MK11
06/11/2019 10:31 PM EST

20 pages...

I'm gonna take this stance...

MK11 has more female sex appeal than in MK1.

So I son't be buying MK11 and just stick to mh MK1 where...

Sonya had more clothes on.

Johnny Cage and Liu Kang's bare chests were artful

Goro is non-human so his half-nakedness doesn't count

Shang Tsung, Rayden, Scorpion, Sub-Zero, and Reptile were properly covered up.

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RE: Reasoning why the sex has been toned down in MK11
06/11/2019 11:06 PM EST

I think the character designs in this game, as well as the clothes they wear, look great. The devs have chosen how they see these characters and that’s their right to obey their vision. Same goes for Street Fighter and it’s giant heaving breasts and same goes for DOA and it’s desire to have young women showing their panties and what not. If you don’t like it, don’t buy it.

I get the idea of having your own idea of how characters should look and I get the annoyance that comes with changes that feel wrong or odd or out of place for the character, so yeah, speak on that if you want. But just know that you’re speaking on their vision. Not some hen-pecked, cajoled, PC police version of their vision.

Personally, I like that they’ve given characters more of an identity through what they wear. It’s not just spandex everywhere like MK3 or whatever. I think Skarlet is a prime example. She has an absolutely gorgeous face and that sinister smile she has during her fatal blow is sexy as hell. I like her long ted hair, her short black hair with red highlights... in short, I think she just looks cool, and that’s all I need from a character.

If you need Skarlet to be in a bra and butt floss because you think that’s who she is or whatever, and you think that sex appeal can only be conveyed in how much skin is shown, then that’s fine, but I see MK1 as going a bit deeper in regards to their characters and I tend to prefer that to the SFV / DOA model, which feels geared more toward horny teenagers, but that’s just how I see it.

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RE: Reasoning why the sex has been toned down in MK11
06/13/2019 12:12 AM EST
06/13/2019 12:17 AM EST

It's the toning down too far (MKX already toned it down enough) and pandering to the side that acts like having fanservice is such a bad thing that I have a problem with, rather than just plainly wanting some fanservice, despite what some people may believe. I think many others against this change can agree on that.

Whether or not they are wearing burkas, the fact remains that the majority of the outfits for the female characters have them covered from head to toe (while the male characters are a lot more free in what they wear). The only exceptions are Cetrion's outfits, a couple of Sonya's outfits, and Kitana and Jade including tiny thigh and chest windows in one of their outfits. Cassie Cage and Frost has gotten the worst of this. The backlash is needed, otherwise it's only going to get worse from here.

Giving all the female characters at least one revealing outfit in one of the Kombat Packs would fix this problem. It doesn't even need to be their MK9 outfits. It can be from UMK3, the 3D games, MKX, or even all-new outfits.

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RE: Reasoning why the sex has been toned down in MK11
06/13/2019 12:15 PM EST

How could they have toned it down too far if you had to make so many examples that don’t fit that assertion?

As for fan service, I’m really starting to think that’s just code for “sexy.” How could this game possibly not have enough fan service in it otherwise? It’s absolutely drowning players in a lake of 90’s nostalgia. Shang Tsung alone has about 30 different call backs.

I dunno, I guess I don’t see why female characters need this or why fans even want it. So they were less covered before. Creative direction changed. Why can’t the devs do this without needing to appease a part of the fan base that, for reasons passing understanding, demand more skin beyond the exceptions you already touched upon?

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RE: Reasoning why the sex has been toned down in MK11
06/13/2019 09:56 PM EST

Options, bro. Sexier outfits for those who dig the style. Make 'em available.

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RE: Reasoning why the sex has been toned down in MK11
06/13/2019 10:18 PM EST
Baraka407

How could they have toned it down too far if you had to make so many examples that don’t fit that assertion?

As for fan service, I’m really starting to think that’s just code for “sexy.” How could this game possibly not have enough fan service in it otherwise? It’s absolutely drowning players in a lake of 90’s nostalgia. Shang Tsung alone has about 30 different call backs.

I dunno, I guess I don’t see why female characters need this or why fans even want it. So they were less covered before. Creative direction changed. Why can’t the devs do this without needing to appease a part of the fan base that, for reasons passing understanding, demand more skin beyond the exceptions you already touched upon?

Yeah, when I said "fanservice", I meant scantily clad outfits. "Fanservice" is a common term for that.

I have no problem with them being covered up in of itself. I just think that all their outfits shouldn't have them covered up. For a game that promotes character customization, it is rather limited. Even Injustice 2 had more variety.

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RE: Reasoning why the sex has been toned down in MK11
06/14/2019 08:31 PM EST
06/14/2019 08:36 PM EST
Baraka407

How could they have toned it down too far if you had to make so many examples that don’t fit that assertion?

As for fan service, I’m really starting to think that’s just code for “sexy.” How could this game possibly not have enough fan service in it otherwise? It’s absolutely drowning players in a lake of 90’s nostalgia. Shang Tsung alone has about 30 different call backs.

I dunno, I guess I don’t see why female characters need this or why fans even want it. So they were less covered before. Creative direction changed. Why can’t the devs do this without needing to appease a part of the fan base that, for reasons passing understanding, demand more skin beyond the exceptions you already touched upon?

It's not simply the outfits. The real problem is that they politicized MK (which was never politicized in the past). I would be perfectly fine even with the outfits if it wouldn't been obvious that they are blatantly trying to shove their liberal-feminist-PC-metoo-diversity propaganda down our throats.

Clothing in itself is one thing and it could be even accepted as a "different artistic approach", but when you look at the head-to-toe female clothing while at the same time the male clothing is revealing to the core, when you ad to that things like Jax's ending, the need to diversify (change race) many characters (Kitana, Jade, Scarlet, Sub-Zero, etc.), to even put hijabs and arab headskirts on some of them. Then it is so blatantly obvious that radical-leftist/cultural marxist politics are being forced upon the MK community. That's the real problem and a good reason to speak up.

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