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Icebaby
02/24/2011 01:00 AM (UTC)
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
Am I the only one here who would rather see him embrace his culture and shamanhood in the way he appears?



This is rather over the top, but it would be awesome to see him wear some animal skin and have trinkets and totems in his outfit.


No, I too wouldn't mind seeing this. If I could find a picture that I drew of him, I got him wearing one of those large feather hats, bear palm prints on his chest... Basically that one intimidating character in Pocohantas that she was supposed to marry who's name I will not attempt to spell.

Darkhound74 Wrote:
Icebaby Wrote:
Darkhound74 Wrote:
Icebaby Wrote:
I haven't seen anyone really complain about his costume.

What would be cool for an alternate, since he's a historian, is that he could look somewhat like a professor in a way. Have little spectacles, nice khakes, and a white shirt with a bow tie.

And yes, I'm being serious. Since he is a historian, there could be an alternate to where he's looking like one.

Since I don't watch fatality videos, I can't judge on it, so I'm not going to say a word about that, other than I hope that they're all better than the ones he had in Deception.

Any who... That's my two cents of Nightwolf. That or he could look like a really cool Indian with the feather hat... without the stereotype.


Completely off subject, but how many fatalities have you actually seen???


One... Which was the very first fatality that we saw which was Kung Lao's hat slice.

Hmm... Maybe with Ninja's idea of making him look a little bit more like an American wouldn't also hurt as well. But I still think it would be a cool idea to make him look more of what he is when he's not fighting to save humanity.


Wow!!wow. I dig your determination for wanting to be surprised on the fatalities.

But I think that a more modern look would be awesome as an alternate. I've seen some Native Americans in my community that wear jeans, cowboy boots, plaid shirt and a cowboy hat. I could see Nightwolf rocking some mean swag hahaha. wink


The threads that show them and the youtube clips that have them are tempting me to take a peek but I'm not going to succumb into. Haha
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Jaded-Raven
02/24/2011 01:03 AM (UTC)
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His current costume is already pretty traditional. A headdress isn't necessary. It's both stereotypical and boring, really.

I always saw him as just a modern guy with deep roots in his culture. That's what made him appeal to me in MK3, I guess in part due to the strong aboriginal community where I live.

I think they went a little too far with the mystical shaman thing in MKD. I actually prefer the way Litefoot portrayed him in MKA to the way he was portrayed in that game. Probably the best part of that movie.


Well, unless they do something awesome with his alternate costume, he'll always look boring and uninteresting to me...

I agree with what you say about Litefoot though. His appearance in MK Annihilation was one of the better ones and represented Nightwolf really well.
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Darkhound74
02/24/2011 01:07 AM (UTC)
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Hmmmmm is it wrong that instead of a historian I can picture Nightwolf as a Biker who gets caught up in all of Kahn's invasion of earth??
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unseenwombat
02/24/2011 02:10 AM (UTC)
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unseenwombat Wrote:
I think what we need is some more stereotyping. I'd love to see him in a full indian headdress. It's a horrible idea IMO to make him just an ordinary looking guy with a t shirt. It just screams political correctness and that really ruffles my jimmies.


You couldn't see a good alt or something without more steretyping? I completely disagree with stereotyping. Especially when the core concept of most of these characters, Nightwolf included, are very strong and healthy ones.

A Shaman is a medicine man or healer / voodoo doctor / spiritual interpreter. He's a "good guy" necromancer..."An American Monk", so to speak. There's plenty of stuff they could do with that without resorting to even more stereotypes.
Not really. Nightwolf is a shaman. How do you relate that fact to people unless you dress him like one? It would be like including a German knight in the game and not giving him armor, or at least chain mail, or an Arab and not giving him a suicide vest and an AK-47.

The problem with Nightwolf, I think, is that the MK team is pussyfooting around his Indian heritage. I can imagine Boon, probably in a whiny voice like "Pat" from the old SNL skit, saying, "EHHHEHHHHHHH, we want to have an innnnndian, but we don't want him to look toooooo indian, EEEHHHHHHH because then we might offend reeeeeeaaal indiannnnns." They did this and we got the mess that was his MKD alt.

Quit beating around the bush and make him an indian already.
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Jaded-Raven
02/24/2011 02:14 AM (UTC)
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unseenwombat Wrote:
Not really. Nightwolf is a shaman. How do you relate that fact to people unless you dress him like one? It would be like including a German knight in the game and not giving him armor, or at least chain mail, or an Arab and not giving him a suicide vest and an AK-47.

The problem with Nightwolf, I think, is that the MK team is pussyfooting around his Indian heritage. I can imagine Boon, probably in a whiny voice like "Pat" from the old SNL skit, saying, "EHHHEHHHHHHH, we want to have an innnnndian, but we don't want him to look toooooo indian, EEEHHHHHHH because then we might offend reeeeeeaaal indiannnnns." They did this and we got the mess that was his MKD alt.

Quit beating around the bush and make him an indian already.


You're a bit of a jerk, aren't you?
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RazorsEdge701
02/24/2011 02:16 AM (UTC)
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He's not JUST an indian, he's an American male living in the year 2010 A.D. (or possibly 1995. Same difference)

The man doesn't have to look like he stepped out of a god damned time machine to show off his indian heritage, he's TWO things, not just one.
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Jaded-Raven
02/24/2011 02:22 AM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
He's not JUST an indian, he's an American male living in the year 2010 A.D. (or possibly 1995. Same difference)

The man doesn't have to look like he stepped out of a god damned time machine to show off his indian heritage, he's TWO things, not just one.


Like Kitana is both a princess AND an assassin which excuses her current outfit that has a fantasy princess-vibe to it, right?
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unseenwombat
02/24/2011 02:24 AM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
He's not JUST an indian, he's an American male living in the year 2010 A.D. (or possibly 1995. Same difference)

The man doesn't have to look like he stepped out of a god damned time machine to show off his indian heritage, he's TWO things, not just one.
So am I. So are about 150 million other people. Nightwolf though is special. If I want to see a guy in a t-shirt and jeans, I'll look in the mirror. That's just a boring design, and the only reason they would use that is because they're trying to prove how "progressive" and "PC" they are. "look, here's an indian, but we didn't make him look like an indian, he's just an everyday american guy. Look how progressive we are." But the over the top weird thing we had in MKD wasn't so hot either. I'd rather see a traditional plains indian look for him, and I think probably most native americans wouldn't be offended by it.
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RazorsEdge701
02/24/2011 02:25 AM (UTC)
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I don't think Kitana's outfit looks like either an assassin or a princess. I will be using her Retro-skin unless her first alt is better.
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Jaded-Raven
02/24/2011 02:30 AM (UTC)
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Hopefully, Nightwolf will have a better looking alternate as well.
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RazorsEdge701
02/24/2011 02:37 AM (UTC)
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I like Nightwolf's primary just fine. (Except for missing the wolf logo on his biker vest)
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Jaded-Raven
02/24/2011 02:40 AM (UTC)
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Well, I don't, if you haven't noticed that from my posts above...
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Disco_Diva
02/24/2011 02:49 AM (UTC)
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
Am I the only one here who would rather see him embrace his culture and shamanhood in the way he appears?



This is rather over the top, but it would be awesome to see him wear some animal skin and have trinkets and totems in his outfit.


YAAAASSS! Id love it.
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RazorsEdge701
02/24/2011 03:06 AM (UTC)
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
Well, I don't, if you haven't noticed that from my posts above...


Well your previous post seemed contradictory. Do you agree that Nightwolf is a modern man and can look Indian without looking like he stepped out of a time machine, or not?
Because the Kitana comparison you made didn't make any sense so I'm not sure where you were going with it.
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Thibideau
02/24/2011 03:08 AM (UTC)
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I live about 10 minutes away from a Native reserve. My great grandmother was Ojibway. Many native reserves are often poverty stricken. Yet I have never seen one wearing an animal pelt, shaman or not. The game doesn't take place pre-1900, even native people wear modern clothes, jeans, t-shirts, coats that aren't made from the hide of a deer.

If they made him wearing nothing but a bear skin pelt and a loin cloth, he'd get written off as a joke character, not to mention the fact that NRS would open themselves up for a huge backlash from the community for creating such an offensive character and dipicting them like savages.

I think look wise, Nightwolf is a fairly respectable way to represent the Native american culture with a modern twist. Just because he bores you doesn't mean we should throw a dead animal on his shoulders and make him dance around a campfire.
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Jaded-Raven
02/24/2011 03:11 AM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
Well, I don't, if you haven't noticed that from my posts above...


Well your previous post seemed contradictory. Do you agree that Nightwolf is a modern man and can look Indian without looking like he stepped out of a time machine, or not?


Yes, Nightwolf is a modern man, and it shows on his current outfit. It is, however, rather boring to look at in my opinion. There's nothing exciting about it. So I'd like to play the fantasy card and say that I'd rather see Nightwolf embrace his shamanism and look the role than looking like the "average native american". Therefore, some animal skin, some totems and trinkets and stuff like that would do wonders for his appearance, in my opinion, of course.
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Icebaby
02/24/2011 03:14 AM (UTC)
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He is a shaman, and there are "shaman-like" people still living in other parts of the world.

Not to mention, we don't know when this game is taking place in the real world. Sure it might be during this age, but we don't know that for sure. Not every character needs to look like they fit the time appropriate setting.

I thought Mavado didn't fit in, especially when it came towards his alternate costume.

Let Nightwolf show off his Native side without any hassle that comes along with it.
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RazorsEdge701
02/24/2011 03:30 AM (UTC)
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Icebaby Wrote:
Not to mention, we don't know when this game is taking place in the real world. Sure it might be during this age, but we don't know that for sure. Not every character needs to look like they fit the time appropriate setting.


Of course we do, why would you say that? There's a modern city with helicopters flying around and a riot cop with a pistol and a taser, not to mention Sonya and Jax.
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Jaded-Raven
02/24/2011 03:33 AM (UTC)
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It's a fantasy setting based on our world. That doesn't excuse Nightwolf for not looking more interesting though. Actually, it's a perfect excuse to make him appear more like a shaman than the typical average native american.
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Icebaby
02/24/2011 03:34 AM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Icebaby Wrote:
Not to mention, we don't know when this game is taking place in the real world. Sure it might be during this age, but we don't know that for sure. Not every character needs to look like they fit the time appropriate setting.


Of course we do, why would you say that? There's a modern city with helicopters flying around and a riot cop with a pistol and a taser, not to mention Sonya and Jax.


Then what year is it then if we know? What is the EXACT year this game is taking place then?

Show me anywhere, links, sites, pics, videos, that tells us when exactly this game takes place.

And for the record, I am not starting shit with you... That's all I'm saying.
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RazorsEdge701
02/24/2011 03:37 AM (UTC)
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Icebaby Wrote:
RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Icebaby Wrote:
Not to mention, we don't know when this game is taking place in the real world. Sure it might be during this age, but we don't know that for sure. Not every character needs to look like they fit the time appropriate setting.


Of course we do, why would you say that? There's a modern city with helicopters flying around and a riot cop with a pistol and a taser, not to mention Sonya and Jax.


Then what year is it then if we know? What is the EXACT year this game is taking place then?

Show me anywhere, links, sites, pics, videos, that tells us when exactly this game takes place.

And for the record, I am not starting shit with you... That's all I'm saying.


It's somewhere between the 90's when MK1 thru 3 were released and the present day. The exact year doesn't matter, I remember the world looking pretty much exactly the same in 1990 as it does today except less cellphones and internet.
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Scorpion2448
02/24/2011 03:42 AM (UTC)
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Just for comparison purposes.

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Jaded-Raven
02/24/2011 03:42 AM (UTC)
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I repeat, it's a fantasy setting. Everything can happen.
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Icebaby
02/24/2011 03:44 AM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Icebaby Wrote:
RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Icebaby Wrote:
Not to mention, we don't know when this game is taking place in the real world. Sure it might be during this age, but we don't know that for sure. Not every character needs to look like they fit the time appropriate setting.


Of course we do, why would you say that? There's a modern city with helicopters flying around and a riot cop with a pistol and a taser, not to mention Sonya and Jax.


Then what year is it then if we know? What is the EXACT year this game is taking place then?

Show me anywhere, links, sites, pics, videos, that tells us when exactly this game takes place.

And for the record, I am not starting shit with you... That's all I'm saying.


It's somewhere between the 90's when the game was released and the present day. The exact year doesn't matter because even 1990 didn't have indians wearing headdresses, did it? Were you born yet in 1990? I was 8, I remember the world looking pretty much exactly the same as it does today except less cellphones and internet.


Well I'm twenty years old, do the math.

As I said, it wouldn't hurt for a character who is Native to show more roots than just a headpiece with two feathers sticking out, a vest and face paint.

Just because the game has to be politically correct for you to enjoy it doesn't mean it should. So what if it's stereotyping, people do it every single day. It wouldn't be that bad of a thing for Nightwolf to show off more Native looks than what he's shown.

If the game is based during the time of the 90s, that doesn't mean we can't see characters dressing like they don't belong. If it's a fantasy based creation as what Jaded said, then it doesn't mean it needs to be exactly like our world. There can be differences.

As stated, this game doesn't need to be politically correct just because it wouldn't look right due to the setting this world takes place in. People can look out of place, hence why we have sorcerers and cyborgs wondering around Earthrealm as well.
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RazorsEdge701
02/24/2011 03:48 AM (UTC)
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
I repeat, it's a fantasy setting. Everything can happen.


Even fantasy settings have to have rules and logic. And MK is a fantasy setting based on the real world in the present day with some science-fiction and fantasy added.
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