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unseenwombat Wrote:
Not really. Nightwolf is a shaman. How do you relate that fact to people unless you dress him like one?
Not really. Nightwolf is a shaman. How do you relate that fact to people unless you dress him like one?
1.) Emphasize his special moves -
[a.] This is a big one. Native Americans are big on pride, we all know this part though. However, with Native Americans, basing that pride on nouns (i.e. people, places, & things) that represent strength is probably the best thing they could do for Nightwolf. It's one good reason why he is so appealing in the earlier games. His old win pose embodies these principals without trying hard at all.
It is the Tomahawk, and the fact that he looks like he's proud//blessed to be able to use it.... Since he is also a weathered fighter, he correctly seems confident about the nature of the thing he holds. Again, it's not Nightwolf himself, or his costume design. It's the spiritual nature behind the item(s) he uses to win fights.
NRS got it wrong and you can tell because in his win pose now, he throws the tomahawks down into the ground, steps forward in front of the tomahawks, and flexes his muscles? That's wrong. It's NOT His personal strength....he's not a traditional martial artist, or brute, OR conceited enough to do such a thing and have it fit his charactere. lol He's a spiritual fighter.
[b.] Bow & Arrow...same principal. This weapon reeks of precision and accuracy. Using a bow & arrow is a rite of passage for young boys in most tribes. It allows the boy to feed himself and his family for the rest of his life.... same thing with learning how to fish, actually. It's like Red Bull..."it gives you wings!" haha...
[c.] Chest Deflector...same principal. He's so confident in this move, that he uses his own chest, augmented by spiritual energy, do reject an on-coming projectile.
[d.] Shoulder Rush...same thing
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So, if they could have given him stuff like a spiritual animal move or two, that old green flaming tomahawk, or flaming arrows...THAT would've made a difference in the way we look at him. It may not have effected how bland his costume looks but, that's the same sort of thing that happened with Nightwolf back in the day. It took a while for folks to catch on to Nightwolf.
2.) He needs his glowing pupils back -
For a living mortal, this alludes to so much more than just cool Special FX. It's a symbol of immense power. For a Native American who is a Shaman, it's a symbol of his mastery in the dealings with spiritual things.
I wouldn't put it past Nightwolf to be able to tap into "chi" strength better than Liu Kang. I bet he can do it easily... he bonded Onaga to the NetherRealm all by himself. And actually to me, Nightwolf has always been something like an older Liu Kang, albeit without as much of the martial arts proficiency and the turkey noises.They have alot of parallels otherwise.
For that matter, a fight between Nightwolf and Shang Tsung should be damn near stalemate. I think Shang Tsung should typically win that fight though. Based on age, and therefor, a better understanding of how spirits work, and a better understanding of how martial arts work. Shang Tsung's probably a better necromancer than Nightwolf because of how old he actually is.
3.) Now, change his costume -
To properly change it from that^^ look? He's not going to need a big head dressing with feathers everywhere, a huge animal skin thrown over his back like that other picture in here, or anything else super stereotypical.
Instead, you stick relatively close to that design, maybe change his pants for something else, take off the jacket, and give him stuff like a bear-claw or beaded necklace, definitely give him different war paint//face-paint, and maybe primitive tools or weapons around his waist-line. All of this is subject to whether or not it works in the overall design though.
[extra info] Thing about a head-dressing is it's usually reserved for the chief. The other Natives don't wear that thing..not even during war. I understand Nightwolf is the leader, but that doesn't make him the chief... or the best fighter either, really.
The thing I want you to understand with me is that everything these folks wear is significant. Every piece symbolizes something.
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ThePredator151 Wrote:
1.) Emphasize his special moves -
[a.] This is a big one. Native Americans are big on pride we all know this part though. However, with Native Americans, basing that pride on nouns (i.e. people, places, & things) that represent strength is probably the best thing they could do for Nightwolf. It's one good reason why he is so appealing in the earlier games. His old win pose embodies these principals without trying hard at all.
It is the Tomahawk, and the fact that he looks like he's proud//blessed to be able to use it.... Since he is also a weathered fighter, he correctly seems confident about the nature of the thing he holds. Again, it's not Nightwolf himself, or his costume design. It's the spiritual nature behind the item(s) he uses to win fights.
NRS got it wrong and you can tell because in his win pose now, he throws the tomahawks down into the ground, steps forward in front of the tomahawks, and flexes his muscles? That's wrong. It's NOT His personal strength....he's not a traditional martial artist, or brute, OR conceited enough to do such a thing and have it fit his charactere. lol He's a spiritual fighter.
[b.] Bow & Arrow...same principal. This weapon reeks of precision and accuracy. Using a bow & arrow is a rite of passage for young boys in most tribes. It allows the boy to feed himself and his family for the rest of his life.... same thing with learning how to fish, actually. It's like Red Bull..."it gives you wings!" haha...
[c.] Chest Deflector...same principal. He's so confident in this move, that he uses his own chest, augmented by spiritual energy, do reject an on-coming projectile.
[d.] Shoulder Rush...same thing
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So, if they could have given him stuff like a spiritual animal move or two, that old green flaming tomahawk, or flaming arrows...THAT would've made a difference in the way we look at him. It may not have effected how bland his costume looks but, that's the same sort of thing that happened with Nightwolf back in the day. It took a while for folks to catch on to Nightwolf.
2.) He needs his glowing pupils back -
For a living mortal, this alludes to so much more than just cool Special FX. It's a symbol of immense power. For a Native American who is a Shaman, it's a symbol of his mastery in the dealings with spiritual things.
I wouldn't put it past Nightwolf to be able to tap into "chi" strength better than Liu Kang. I bet he can do it easily... he bonded Onaga to the NetherRealm all by himself. And actually to me, Nightwolf has always been something like an older Liu Kang, albeit without as much of the martial arts proficiency and the turkey noises.They have alot of parallels otherwise.
For that matter, a fight between Nightwolf and Shang Tsung should be damn near stalemate. I think Shang Tsung should typically win that fight though. Based on age, and therefor, a better understanding of how spirits work, and a better understanding of how martial arts work. Shang Tsung's probably a better necromancer than Nightwolf because of how old he actually is.
3.) Now, change his costume -
To properly change it from that^^ look? He's not going to need a big head dressing with feathers everywhere, a huge animal skin thrown over his back like that other picture in here, or anything else super stereotypical.
Instead, you stick relatively close to that design, maybe change his pants for something else, take off the jacket, and give him stuff like a bear-claw or beaded necklace, definitely give him different war paint//face-paint, and maybe primitive tools or weapons around his waist-line. All of this is subject to whether or not it works in the overall design though.
[extra info] Thing about a head-dressing is it's usually reserved for the chief. The other Natives don't wear that thing..not even during war. I understand Nightwolf is the leader, but that doesn't make him the chief... or the best fighter either, really.
The thing I want you to understand with me is that everything these folks wear is significant. Every piece symbolizes something.
... lost my thought.
unseenwombat Wrote:
Not really. Nightwolf is a shaman. How do you relate that fact to people unless you dress him like one?
Not really. Nightwolf is a shaman. How do you relate that fact to people unless you dress him like one?
1.) Emphasize his special moves -
[a.] This is a big one. Native Americans are big on pride we all know this part though. However, with Native Americans, basing that pride on nouns (i.e. people, places, & things) that represent strength is probably the best thing they could do for Nightwolf. It's one good reason why he is so appealing in the earlier games. His old win pose embodies these principals without trying hard at all.
It is the Tomahawk, and the fact that he looks like he's proud//blessed to be able to use it.... Since he is also a weathered fighter, he correctly seems confident about the nature of the thing he holds. Again, it's not Nightwolf himself, or his costume design. It's the spiritual nature behind the item(s) he uses to win fights.
NRS got it wrong and you can tell because in his win pose now, he throws the tomahawks down into the ground, steps forward in front of the tomahawks, and flexes his muscles? That's wrong. It's NOT His personal strength....he's not a traditional martial artist, or brute, OR conceited enough to do such a thing and have it fit his charactere. lol He's a spiritual fighter.
[b.] Bow & Arrow...same principal. This weapon reeks of precision and accuracy. Using a bow & arrow is a rite of passage for young boys in most tribes. It allows the boy to feed himself and his family for the rest of his life.... same thing with learning how to fish, actually. It's like Red Bull..."it gives you wings!" haha...
[c.] Chest Deflector...same principal. He's so confident in this move, that he uses his own chest, augmented by spiritual energy, do reject an on-coming projectile.
[d.] Shoulder Rush...same thing
===
So, if they could have given him stuff like a spiritual animal move or two, that old green flaming tomahawk, or flaming arrows...THAT would've made a difference in the way we look at him. It may not have effected how bland his costume looks but, that's the same sort of thing that happened with Nightwolf back in the day. It took a while for folks to catch on to Nightwolf.
2.) He needs his glowing pupils back -
For a living mortal, this alludes to so much more than just cool Special FX. It's a symbol of immense power. For a Native American who is a Shaman, it's a symbol of his mastery in the dealings with spiritual things.
I wouldn't put it past Nightwolf to be able to tap into "chi" strength better than Liu Kang. I bet he can do it easily... he bonded Onaga to the NetherRealm all by himself. And actually to me, Nightwolf has always been something like an older Liu Kang, albeit without as much of the martial arts proficiency and the turkey noises.They have alot of parallels otherwise.
For that matter, a fight between Nightwolf and Shang Tsung should be damn near stalemate. I think Shang Tsung should typically win that fight though. Based on age, and therefor, a better understanding of how spirits work, and a better understanding of how martial arts work. Shang Tsung's probably a better necromancer than Nightwolf because of how old he actually is.
3.) Now, change his costume -
To properly change it from that^^ look? He's not going to need a big head dressing with feathers everywhere, a huge animal skin thrown over his back like that other picture in here, or anything else super stereotypical.
Instead, you stick relatively close to that design, maybe change his pants for something else, take off the jacket, and give him stuff like a bear-claw or beaded necklace, definitely give him different war paint//face-paint, and maybe primitive tools or weapons around his waist-line. All of this is subject to whether or not it works in the overall design though.
[extra info] Thing about a head-dressing is it's usually reserved for the chief. The other Natives don't wear that thing..not even during war. I understand Nightwolf is the leader, but that doesn't make him the chief... or the best fighter either, really.
The thing I want you to understand with me is that everything these folks wear is significant. Every piece symbolizes something.
... lost my thought.
In this single post on a message board 16 years after the debut of the character into the MK universe, you have put more thought into Nightwolf than his creators.
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Dunno whether that good or bad but, it's a little frustrating when it looks like they don't research the things they do to some of these characters. The only ways to get a result like this is to not know, or blatantly disregard information.
I don't think they're blatantly disregarding information, I think it's due to a lack of Tobias. I believe he would actually do some sniffing around before he created or elaborated on an existing character, and it showed up in the games. I don't blame them for ignorance, but I wish they'd look into these things a bit more than surface information and the stereotypes.
Also, I am part Omaha and Sioux. If you know anything about those two tribes, that's like Romeo and Juliet had some babies...
EDIT: Here's just some other pictures of stuff they might consider based on what I was talking about in my last post:
One - War paint - Face paint
Two - Face paint // Beaded Necklace
Three - Just a different look // Mohawk
Four - Random but has some good qualities
I don't think they're blatantly disregarding information, I think it's due to a lack of Tobias. I believe he would actually do some sniffing around before he created or elaborated on an existing character, and it showed up in the games. I don't blame them for ignorance, but I wish they'd look into these things a bit more than surface information and the stereotypes.
Also, I am part Omaha and Sioux. If you know anything about those two tribes, that's like Romeo and Juliet had some babies...
EDIT: Here's just some other pictures of stuff they might consider based on what I was talking about in my last post:
One - War paint - Face paint
Two - Face paint // Beaded Necklace
Three - Just a different look // Mohawk
Four - Random but has some good qualities
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And ninjas don't exist anymore in the real world. Haven't since Feudal Japan.
That's what they want you to believe. There's also no such thing as the mob. I also think the unpopularity of his mohawk alt in Deception proves that going too Indian with his dress doesn't work for people.
I think you're wrong on that. Sure they went all out with the mohawk and the facepaint, but they gave him a biker outfit. The problem wasn't that it made him look too indian, it's that it made him look like a biker or a heavy metal rocker who was trying to be an indian. (Seriously NRS, knock it off with the face paint. You never do it right.) Just give Nightwolf an alt that really represents his heritage. This wishy-washy PC BS is ruining his character. EDIT: Here's just some other pictures of stuff they might consider based on what I was talking about in my last post: One - War paint - Face paint Two - Face paint // Beaded Necklace Three - Just a different look // Mohawk Four - Random but has some good qualities
Any of those would be good too. (not too crazy about the STFU handprint though lol) I'm not saying make him into Chief Wahoo. (I'd have to burn down NRS myself if they did that). Make it respectful, make it distinguished, but make it more traditional. In MK3, he just looked like a fucking badass with his costume, no pupils, lean/tall look, and seemed much more mysterious.
Except that now everybody and his brother has no pupils. (Irises neither, but I know what you mean). Giving it to everyone detracts from the ones who are supposed to be that way. Nightwolf isn't really a supernatural character. He should have normal eyes. Jax's arms are this time replaced with cybernetic enhancements instead of just attaching them to his real arms, just to come with some examples.
I thought they were always replacements for his real arms. 
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