It's not about stereotyping or political correctness to me, it's about Nightwolf's backstory and personality. You're making a mistake and undermining the character by using "Indian shaman" as the ONLY definition for him, there's more to him than that.

So you are opposed making Nightwolf look more interesting and shamanistic while I still think his looks should be changed. It's all about personal preferences here, really, so we could discuss this topic to death or simply accept eachothers opinions.

If you decide to go on, then let me just say this... No matter how much it makes sense for Nightwolf to look like he does, I still think he looks like the most boring character of the whole roster... and my opinion won't change. Not because I don't want to change my opinion, but that is how I percieve the way he looks now. Therefore I hope his alternate outfit will look alot more interesting.

Whether he looks interesting enough or not is all a matter of opinion. If you really think about it, most of the costumes are kinda bland with the exception of overly done Scorpion. Cage, Sonya, Kang all have simple looks. I think you expect more from Nightwolf because of his heritage. Him being Native American shouldn't mean he has to be a super cliche

I've been mentioning the fact that he's also a historian as well. So no, I am not just labeling him as the "Indian Shaman."

I know this character well after I created that thread for the "should they stay or should they go," back a while ago. But if they're not going to do anything with the historian, make him look more of a shaman in the game, then they're most likely going to do so.

And if they're going to make him act more of a shaman, then there's no harm in looking like one. Whether or not he'll be dressed during the time period, so what. He looks like an Indian in this game a lot more than what he used to, and to me, his appearance seems out of place for a 1990 setting game.

It's a fantasy game where anything can happen, as it seems like you continue to ignore, and I'm agreeing with Jaded on this and saying that if anything can go, then he can look like more of an Indian, hell even a shaman, for his second costume. He doesn't necessarily need a costume to make him more modern.

Of course it is a matter of opinion. That was my opinion. I thought that was rather obvious, but I guess not. And you seem to mix "simple" with "bland". Yes, many of the other characters have simple-looking outfits, but I wouldn't call them boring or bland, compared to how Nightwolf looks. And again, that is MY personal opinion.

I am opposed to your belief that he doesn't look interesting right fucking now.

I am also opposed to anyone who uses the phrase "anything can happen" because that's not how writing works unless you're an amateur.

The things that happen in a work of fiction have to fit that world's established history and internal logic. "Anything" is blatant bullshit and the credo of bad fanfic writers.

No need to get angry, just because I don't agree with you. I'm not saying that you are wrong in your opinion, I'm just saying that it is not my opinion. I don't scold you for wanting to use Kitana's alternate outfit/classic costume simply because you don't like her main one.

I'm not angry with you, J-R.

Oh, then I don't understand the hassle... Because all you said you were opposed to were pretty much everything I had basically said.

Just because you oppose that phrase doesn't mean every writer needs to follow.

If Earthrealm is based on our world, it doesn't mean that it needs to follow everything directly. If Nightwolf can suddenly look like an Indian because he is one, then let him... But what's funny is that this debate is all about an alternate costume. An alt, so if one costume of his actually has him wearing a full Indian outfit, there's a simple thing to do as "not chose it."

If it bothers you that much then so it be.

But what I find hilarious is that you think that you shouldn't follow the phrase "anything can happen," in writing. And I supposed I'm going to hear about this one as well.

It's not you he's mad at, I'm pretty sure it's once again I'm the cause of his anger rising because apparently I'm not "understanding Mortal Kombat" again.

Which is bullshit because I don't need to continuously get depicted as an idiot because I have an opinion that I wouldn't mind seeing Nightwolf look more Native than what he does now and it's not right because it's not how people need to look like in 1990.

Here we go again what is Nightwolf suppose to look is based off his belief, power and personality. The phrase anything can happen haha first get inside the minds of NRS look at MKD his alt sucked.
In my opinion this is an iconic look for him.

To me he looks awesome yea were granted to our opinion. But who knows NRS could make him look like an Indian chief.

You can call it a stereotype you can't take away the fact he is native American.

Well I am talking to two people at once. If one irritates me, the whole post is gonna sound irritated.

I don't mind that we disagree about whether or not Nightwolf's primary is boring. My point as regards that is simply that there's more to Nightwolf as a character than just being the Indian. I also think the unpopularity of his mohawk alt in Deception proves that going too Indian with his dress doesn't work for people.

It's time they tried something altogether new for his alt. And a headdress isn't new at all, he's already wearing feathers in his hair.

Well, ninjas in the real world don't look like the MK ninjas, women of the real world's military aren't dressed like Sonya is, so I don't understand why Nightwolf can't dress like an iconic shaman, just because native americans don't dress like that in the real world. Again, it's a fantasy setting, and though it is based on our world, the MK team sure have taken artistic liberties with their characters many times before to enhance their appearances.

And you're irritating me because you can never let anything go. So someone says something that's against your knowledge of Mortal Kombat. So something is out of place, so someone is wrong.

If you're going to get irritated with anything I write, here's the smartest thing one can do on this site... NOT REPLY TO ANYTHING I WRITE.

Is that so hard to understand? But no, we gotta shove the facts and how wrong I am in my face in order to calm down and have peace amongst us. No, go shove your facts somewhere else because if I feel like saying "I wouldn't mind seeing an Indian in a game that supposedly is set in 1990," I would like to say that without hearing, "no because it's 1990, people don't dress like that."

Fuck the rules at times, just fuck the rules. People dress up like clowns and claims their Goths, but you don't see me telling them to sign up for a circus because they don't fit in. Well there.

Last time, you don't like what I have to say, stop trying to shove things in my face, making me feel like I've never touched this game, and ignore my posts, Razor. Just simply ignore. This is the last time I'n whipping out my feelings and thoughts about another user publicly. Because I've lost so much respect for you Razor that it's not even funny.

i would like nightwolf if he had more of a natural colours on his cloths,i think if he looked more like a native american tribal warchief and less like a the guy from gay man band the village people .

Just to make things right, the Village People weren't gay. They just seemed like it. ;)

I don't like most Sonya costumes either, but at least with her, I can go "Well she took off her heavy fatigues because she's in a martial arts tournament and they'd hold her back."

And ninjas don't exist anymore in the real world. Haven't since Feudal Japan. But them existing and dressing a certain way was established in the MK universe, they are following their own story's rules there. Like I said, stories have to have rules set down, "anything can happen" is not how proper writing works.

If you sit down and write a story where wizards exist in your world, and you say "Wiz-Dude knows a lightning spell, but he doesn't know a fire spell", you have just established rules for your fictional universe that you now must follow. You can no longer write "anything" happening, you can only write Wiz-Dude shooting lightning bolts. If Wiz-Dude shoots a fireball in the next chapter or next story, that's bad writing. That's what you don't do.

Nightwolf's first appearance set down rules about him too. And one of them is his status as a member of the same society Kabal, Stryker, Johnny Cage, Sonya, and Jax come from. He's a historian. He knows Shaman magic because he studied his people's culture, but that doesn't mean he has to dress like a throwback to the 1700's.

Warchief?



Yeah, warchiefs rule!

Eh, I don't mind his costume, though I wish it had some color it looks dull as fuck, I don't know why?

My real concern is that he doesn't look as intimidating as he did back in MK3 (MKD wasn't a good incarnation of him). In MK3, he just looked like a fucking badass with his costume, no pupils, lean/tall look, and seemed much more mysterious.

His Magical Beam fatality from MK3 better make a triumphant return. That was one of the greatest fatality of all times.

And yet NRS are still changing their own rules, such as having Jade hold her staff in her hand instead of conjuring it to her when needed, and Jax's arms are this time replaced with cybernetic enhancements instead of just attaching them to his real arms, just to come with some examples.

I'm not saying that all native american shamans should dress like tribal wildmen, just that I'd like to see Nightwolf dress like that in an alternate outfit to represent his culture and shamanism. I don't see anything wrong with that at all. It'll only make him more interesting to me than he is now with his main outfit.

I agree with both sides of this argument:

On 1 side I hear he's an Indian he could be a shaman

On the other don't forget he is human and in the mk1-3 period could have happened in the 90's so he could dress more modern.

Nice discussion.

But to the fact "anything could happen" he could be modern or what I call the diverse Indian look.

Then they're bad writers who cannot understand their characters, unless there happens to be a cause, in which anything could happen to where that character can suddenly obtain a power they didn't before. So yes, anything can happen can be used in writing as long as you know what you're doing... Words from a professional writer that came into a writing class of mine last semester. Don't want to follow their advice, then don't.



And I don't either. Even if people are going to claim that NS is stereotyping Nightwolf because he's a Native American and they all need to dress like one, that's the only complaint we'll probably see. But there's no reason why Nightwolf can't look like an Indian, can't dress like one, all because the setting is supposed set during modern times.

Icebaby exactly you can't aall what NRS is doing a stereotype when the character is already native american it's part of who the character is.

Some peeps need to understand that characters are portrayed by their persona how they act feel.

Liu Kang he is based off Bruce lee he makes noises because he is custom to.

When Johnny cages glasses break at the end of the match and he puts a new pair on.

It's not a stereotype is personality!!!!!!!!!!