The pic is nice but the mask could have been sketched a little better

This is my old Human Smoke fatality idea. My fatality ideas tend to be a bit too elaborate.

Smoke creates a smokescreen across the entire place. The enemy (lets say Kitana) is slowly wandering through it, being extremely cautious. Suddenly there is a flash of movement and Kitana gets punched in the face, another flash of movement and she getspunched in the stomach. She would then be on one knee and should look in front of her. She will see a sillouhette (sp?) running toward her through the smoke. Kitana will scream in terror, and suddenly a sword (or any weapon) will burst out of her wide open mouth. Smoke was behind her and stabbed her through the back of the head and out the mouth.

heres my fatality idea
smoke dissapears and reappears behind opponent, kicks them so they fall to their knee, then he beheads them, dissapears in smoke and lifts the opponents head up held high

That is fuckin awesome! Seriously badass. Although it may need to get a bit condensed in order to be a fatality, it'd work great as a cut scene (assuming those are in the game). I like the idea of Smoke being really, really stealthy, fits his story and overall look perfectly.

Anywho, my main hope for smoke is that he's in his human ninja form. Robot form would be alright too considering his 'tragic' storyline, but the elementals gotta go. Its just a cloud worrying a dumb mask and gloves.

Welp I'm here for Human Smoke I'm fine with Cyborg Smoke! But if I had to choose it's human smoke all the way to the bank! And from the hearing of those sound clips it seems Smoke is human! Plus Ed Boon giving us DLC ideas and saying "Cyborg Smoke" is all I need!

thanks dude. Yeah, my fatality ideas are usually an entire cutscene. I wish fatalities would be that long. We need epic finishes to epic battles.

Smoke and Jade could bump into each other in Living Forest, Jade was sent there by Shao Kahn and Smoke was also sent there probably by Lin Keui. I want to see some form of interaction between the two anyway.

I think it would be great if we had both just like in MKT or have alternate costumes where ones human and one is cyborg.I also hope if he's in the game they give him the spear because when I played regular MK3 when I was younger I used to think of Smoke as the Scorpion of it since he wasn't in MK3 v1.() speaking of smoke where is he in the emoticons?

Smilies/Emoticons Take it easy on the smilies/emoticons please. Keep it to three or less of them and we're good to go. ThePredator151

Man,I put off posting in this thread for way too long.

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Very interesting point,actually.

RAZOR,GET IN HERE

Personally,though,I'm more inclined to believe that Shang is just being a cocky bastard. His warriors triumphed 9 times in a row,he feels that he's got this shit,so he relaxed.

BIG MISTAKE [/JackSlater]

On the other hand,maybe that's his job. The Mortal Kombat tournament is supposed to attract the strongest warriors in the entire realm so that it can properly represent itself. Maybe Shang Tsung is actually legally bound by the Elder Gods to make a concerted effort to seek out the strongest warriors in the realm. Otherwise,all Outworld has to do is keep the news of the tournament on the down-low and just not make an honest effort to invite anybody,and they'd win by default.

You'd think seeking out the warriors to represent Earthrealm would be Raiden's job,though,but he doesn't seem to really give a shit about it as of MK1.


Also good point. The whole "Human Smoke doing sneaky shit in the background" has plenty of potential,because it can tell us things that were going on behind the scenes,away from the main action.

Not sure if I would like the early Noob Saibot hint,though. It could be a nice setup for Deception,but in the worst-case scenario,we'll get Shaolin Monks all over again. =_=


Agreed. This is pretty much the train of thought I went by when I suggested the possibility of a Kenshi/Li Mei romance.

tl;dr characters need Social Links to pull them out of moral dilemmas and possible slips into the Dark Side,whatever that might be.


I do like the irony of Smoke trying to appeal to Hotaru,but since he fights to oppose control and restraint,it would make much more sense for him to ally himself with the Chaos Clerics. Besides,his element is smoke - shapeless,free-flowing and unrestrained. That's why I reckon that the very idea of containment and mindless obedience is utterly revolting to him on a very deep level.

He wouldn't ally himself with Orderrealm. Moreover,they probably wouldn't accept such a chaotic element in their midst.

I also appreciate that you're trying to integrate Orderrealm into the overall story and give it more significance,but how would Smoke even know about the existence of Orderrealm? Aside from the invasion of that one city in Deception's Konquest,it seems Seido mostly kept to itself all these centuries,without much interaction with the other realms.


I'm not sure how,but we'd have to make it make sense.

I mean,look at us - we're grasping at straws here. Smoke and Jade's simultaneous presence in the Living Forest is one of the very few things we can legitimately try to go by without completely making shit up.

Maybe just have Smoke like get lost in the Forest,lose his guard for a second and then get attacked by the trees or tree zombies or whatever,and Jade,out of curiosity,helps him out. Of course,she'd try to interrogate him afterwards,but despite that,Smoke would still feel a debt of gratitude to her and would try to pay her back somehow. We kind of established that he's probably heavy on the whole honor thing,so that would make sense. Generic,I know,but it's a start.

What was Jade doing in MK2,anyway? We can start from here.

SPECIAL MOVES AND FATALITIES AND SHIT

First and foremost,after seeing Liu's new Dragon Reversal Teleport thingy,I realized that if anyone were to have a counter/teleport,it'd have to be Smoke.

Also,I had this one idea about a special/super move Smoke might have. It works essentially like Reptile's invisibility,but with a different visual flair.

Imagine this:

-Smoke creates a massive smokescreen that covers the entire bottom half of the screen.

-Until the smokescreen starts dissolving (I'd say 5 seconds,give or take),Smoke is completely invisible.

-The opponent,on the other hand,is actually brightly highlighted,with a definite outline that makes any frame changes and possible counterattack attempts immediately obvious. I was thinking something along the lines of a heat signature or something. I imagine that'd be pretty unsettling for the opponent - smoke all around you,can't see shit,the attack can come from anywhere... And on top of that,he's feeling especially vulnerable because he's basically got a bullseye painted on his ass.

-Making the smokescreen last a set amount of time with no regard to whether Smoke gets hit or not after activating it could help to further differentiate it from Reptile's.

Wow,now that I wrote this down,this seems extremely spammable,so massive recovery times would be necessary. Like,have the smoke clear out not instantly,but gradually,and until all of it is completely gone from the screen,Smoke can't initiate the attack again.

I'm thinking smokes fatality could have mustard gas making the enemy cough up their lungs I think it would be awesome

Okay.

The canon reason he invited Sub-Zero is that Shang is indeed REQUIRED by his position of grandmaster to invite the world's strongest warriors to the tournament. More than that, he WANTS the world's strongest warriors to come to the tournament, for two simple reasons:

1) So they can be killed in the battles and the Earth will be defenseless when Kahn comes to conquer. That's the entire reason there are Fatalities. The tournament was never to the death when the Shaolin ran it. Shang ADDED that rule to slaughter everyone who could be a threat.

and 2) So he can get their souls when they die, of course.

On top of that, Shang invited Sub-Zero to Mortal Kombat BEFORE Sub-Zero was hired to assassinate him.

It's possible that the entire reason Sub-Zero was hired to kill Shang is BECAUSE he was invited to the tournament, and thus already has a way to get close to Shang and do the deed.

Sub-Zero isn't the only enemy of Shang's that Shang invited. Let's not forget that this dude was so cocky and sure Goro would win that he fucking invited Raiden. I'm sure he felt he had nothing to fear from any of the people he invited, like an assassin, or the Shaolin's representative, or the freakin' God of Thunder.

After all, Shang has an invisible bodyguard (Reptile). AND he invited Scorpion too, knowing Scorpion only wants in so he can kill Sub-Zero. AND his champion has a 500 year long undefeated streak.

^Makes perfect sense to me, and if it it's not exactly so, it should be exactly so. By the way, Smokes fatality should be this:

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@T-Rex

Thanx with agreeing with me on my ideas,I thought nobody saw them and didn't give a shit,though I put all my soul into these ideas :)))

About your idea of possible encounter of Smoke and Jade,I like it a lot,because I didn't quite imagined HOW they will interact not as enemies but as allies. You pretty much gave new food for thought for me how it can be played,but I may write about it later though,when I have certain picture of events.

About this Shang/Sub-Zero situation,I made a thread about it couple of weeks ago and,thanks to Razor,everything was cleared out.You should look it up on previous pages.(thread called Bi-Han's mission in MK1 or something)
EDIT: He wrote it here too,so yeah,that's pretty much the reason why Shang invited him.

Hey guys, I'm brand new here, but I'm a long time lover of the original three MK games.

Smoke became my main right away in MK3/UMK3 and it's hard for me to expect him to play any differently then the way he did in MK3/UMK3. The only thing human smoke has going for him is that I perfer the Lin Kuei Ninja look over the cyborg look. I only read the first page and a half of this thread so please forgive me if someone else suggested this...

Option A:
What if Human Smoke plays just like Cyber Smoke? I seriously love the idea. Yes he would still use a harpoon but I don't understand why HE can't have one just because Scorpion has one. It sure didn't stop him from having it in MK2, MK3, UMK3, and MKT. Plus it would be the only move Smoke and Scorpion would have in common. Thier teleport would still be different. Scorpion jumps backwards and attacks from behind, and Smoke drops off screen and rises with an uppercut. You would have the look of Ninja Smoke with the familiarity of Cyber Smoke.

On another note, Human Smoke should keep the "rope sound" of his harpoon, That sound is just iconic and familiar to all that love the original trilogy. That SFX needs to stay alive since Scorpion uses a chain now. It gives a visual difference to their harpoons as well.
Video Sample: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XmZsmfqjpHs

Option B:
Another gameplay option would be to give him two styles. Does anyone here play street fighter? There's a character in SFIV name Gen (he's also in the alpha series) and he has two fighting styles you can switch back n forth with while in battle. What if with Smoke you can go back n forth while in play? Let's say you pick smoke (who starts out human) and you do a command this robot/digital stuff builds over him. It's a quick transition but it looks like he's in pain while it happens. Then when you switch back the armor blasts off like he forced it off. The whole idea gives you two things. One, you can tell he's fighting to not let the "cyber" upgrades that were given to him forcefully (which will look cool and is true to the character). Two, you get two completely different play styles in one character (one familiar style from MK3 and another that could be anything NRS comes up with).

What do you guys think?

You have created some stunning Fatalities and Special Moves there. You can expect me to post a compiling post in the next couple days that will bring all the so-far-posted Smoke ideas into one big post. From that we shall rate the best ones that I will ultimately add in the original post.

Smoke's Wingman, Noob Saibot, recently revealed. When will Smoke? So if you still have your Smoke ideas in your mind, be sure to bring them here now!

I hope for half cyborg/human Smoke... Than we would have both in1 and not 2 slots for one and the same character.

BTW all people are saying Smoke should have a harpoon... Should Reptile have Sub's freeze as in MK 1? Should Noob have a harpoon as well?

If anything with harpoon than make it completely different or as cyborg. No 1 to 1 copy in human form

Smoke should be more gymnastic than Sub-Zero cos SZ is bulkier than him, so Smoke should move very fast. His moves could be glide-in-air (like snowboarders do), 720 spin-kick etc. Basically he should be as fast as Scorpion and strong as Sub-Zero hehe. His weapons should either be Kusarigama or a Shuriken or both lmao. Yup both. Kusarigama Shuriken

@Zmoke: Thanks! I went the extra mile and brought this thread to MKast's attention too a couple days ago.
http://www.themortalkombat.com/talkmk/-/message_boards/view_message/1785111
@KiShiDo: I believe my "Option B" may have resolved your feelings about the harpoon. We would have Human Smoke (that may be more creative and without the harpoon) and he can turn into Cyber Smoke (which retains all/most of his moves from MK3. Including the harpoon).
Noob Saibot doesn't need a harpoon because the first time he became PLAYABLE he didn't have one for people to become accustomed to while they PLAYED as him. Same goes for Reptile, he didn't have a harpoon or ice when he first became PLAYABLE. Reptile should keep his MK2 moves and expand from that, and Noob should keep his moves from MKT and expand from their as well (as it looks like they're doing). They should do the same with smoke, and keep his moveset available from MK3 and expand his moveset instead of remove what fans of the original trilogy have become accustomed to. It's common sense. If smoke only had the harpoon in MK2 but his first playable version of him (cyborg) never had one I wouldn't be having this discussion because I would be use to a different play mechanic with Smoke. But that isn't the case. He started with a move set and should retain it for consisancy for the fans that played as him in MK3, UMK3, MKT (since it's the fans of MK1-UMK3 NRS is trying to tailor to in this game). I'm not asking for special treatment, I'm asking for the SAME treatment. All the characters should keep their moves they started with when they became playable characters (then add and improve moves as the series progresses- not abandon their familiar moves).
If NRS went the "Option B" route, you would have human smoke as diverse as you want (NO harpoon, a bunch of "smoke" moves etc), but he can turn into cyber Smoke who retains all the moves he had before. It would be a win/win!

story- smkoke gets mad at sub for trying to reform the lin kuei at the end of the game, smoke walks away and finds a portal. on the other side something like this happens

???= welcome my friend...

*steps out of shadows*

havik= to chaos!

smoke becomes a cleric of chaos and travels back to earth, he then talks to sub-zero

smoke= I am now one with chaos...

subby= you are lin kuei!

smoke= no... not anymore, I shall bring upon the destruction of all organizations! noone shall be controlled ever again!

havik= I sense that we are no longer wanted in this realm...

*smoke and havik leave*

MOVES-
play dead teleport (can turn into a smokeycut)

sticky fingers- same as armageddon

harpoon- smoke stabs opponent with the harpoon and kicks them across the screen (close range move)

X-RAY MOVE- smoke sticks his hand in their chest and fills it with smoke, opponent bends over coughing, smoke uses the nosebreaker grab cracking their skull

FATALITIES-
smoke pulls out the enemies intestine and chokes them to death with it

smoke breaks the opponents leg, arm, and neck

ALT COSTUME- havik

i agree, no 1 to 1 copy of it but i think it should b included in some form. i mean yea he was basicly a clone of scorpion but why not expand on his umk3 ending? it said he was to study his ninja counterparts, so why not give him some moves similar to the other ninjas, but at the same time completely different. for example, no shared animations, and all moves would have a "smokey" twist to it...like, instead of a harpoon, maybe it could b a chain. he would fling out to have it tightly clench around the enemies neck. smoke would then real them in close enough to grab there face, covering there nose and mouth.(barrowed thru inspiration, lol)
his hand would then emit smoke, engulfing the opponents head in a toxic smoke cloud, stunning them and giving the player a free hit.(like scorpion but different!) keep in mind this is all done in about the same amount of time the original spear move is done, so it'd b quicker than it reads, lol. just an idea of how they could make the moves his own instead of 1 to1 copies.

p.s. sry 4 the horrible spelling. ima not so goods at tha spellings.

@Hitori:
That's a pretty cool suggestion. I would change the chain though. People will say it still looks too similar to a harpoon. I would say that he shoots mist/smoke that draws you near. Then he can do that hand press to the face. That sounds cool! I also like your explanation of how he could have similar moves of other ninjas but... smokey.

Very good, very good. I have offered this Smoke and Chaosrealm idea before too. This may not be one of the deepest stories but it does have sense after all, considering that Smoke has always been someone's underling after the events of MK3. He possibly wants to be more independent desperado with strong connections with Lin Kuei. X-ray was cool but I don't really support the idea of Smoke having harpoon, unless it would differ a bit more from Scorpion's spear. Would it? As for the compilation post of your smoking ideas, I'll make it during this weekend. I want to mention that we haven't gotten too much X-ray moves for Smoke so far. Could you come up with some proper ones?

thanks 4 the comment, im glad you liked it. consider this, im wondering if he can materialize stuff outta his smoke powers. if so, consider this alternate. instead of a chain the move would start out with him empty handed, smoke would then move both his arms out to the side as if he was about to throw somthin. he would lurch both arms forward and halfway through the motion you would see smoke-lik vapor start to form into 2 chains/ropes. Smoke would fling them out to the oponent wraping around either the waist and neck or both arms(couldnt decide) then he would real them in and do the face grab i mentioned earlier. oh and i didnt mention this before but if the move misses than the smoke chains/ropes would kindof just evaporate. i like chains, that and if thiers not somthin directly attached to tha other player than i feel like its more of a ermac-style move than a play off a harpoon. thx 4 tha inspiration with the smoke/mist idea!

@zmoke: as for your x-ray issue, i may hav an idea 4 ya. actually 2. since most of the xray moves are usually kombat heavy and not focused on special abilitys that will b my 1st one my second will include his smoke ability.

1st: this ones verry simple, Smoke dashes in all ninja like, fist cocked and loaded, he then delivers a punch to the jaw so powerfull it fractures and dislocates it. following that punch(lets say it was delivered wit his left hand) he turns his back to his oponent in a sortof crouched stance and with his right arm lands a blow to the stomach with his elbow rupturing an organ and causing them to cough up blood.

2nd: (starts on the "player 1" side of the screen) Smoke would throw down a smoke bomb at his feat createing a shroud of smoke(of course lol) he would dash to the left (off screen) only to appear behind the opponent. the screen would darken and the xray move would begin. Smoke would grab them from behind, arm clenched tight around thier neck. with the other arm he would place his hand over thier face, releasing yet again, smoky vapors causing them to cough. with a quick jerk to the right he would fracture there neck and cause muscle damage, then he'd deliver a "this is sparta!" kick to the back, fracturing the spine and breaking a rib or two.

those r my ideas, sry thier soooo long, i like to describe in detail.

^Oh dang! Okay that's great. Someone call NRS! haha

One thing I would do imho is have it be a rope, in hopes that they use the classic "rope" sound Smoke and Scorpion had. Since now Scorpion uses a chain that sound may be lost...
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I wish! id love to work there! mortal kombat is a passion of mine, but anyway...yayz! im glad ive got a fan of my ideas lol i miss the iconic sound as well, i even hav it as a txt tone haha. its the "rope" sound followed by scorpion shouting "GET OVER HERE!!!" its that kind of sound that if u see him and the screen goes black, followed by that sound...it gets u thinkin,"oh damn, someones in trouble!" and thats been missing 4 awhile now.

i mean, what was up with that spiderman-web-shooter sound the spear had in mk vs dc!? neway back to the topic...but a lil off at the same time. i wanna see smoke in a re-imagining(sp?) of his umk3 attire. his true human form has been absent 4 quite some time nw. if hes comin back why not bring him back in a way that hed b instantly recognizable? silver and black with an actual skin tone. oh and bare arms w ninja guantlets. the sleeved look made ermac look too much like a sorcerer imo. umm....i guess thats all 4 nw, oh and thx 2 those that like my ideas.