@Hitori: He should DEFINITELY have bare arms. No sleeves!

i have thought up an elaborate story about my idea of jade and smoke romance. ok so they first meet in living forest and they were into each other. though nothing happens because smoke dissapears . moment later smoke is torn between his best friend sub~zero or his new-found love jade. he has a choice to help sub-zero with what's going on or be with jade. he neglects jade who is heartbroken but expected this because smoke and sub-zero go way back. sub-zero looks at smoke for a second and says '......

...go to her or you've just blown it big time'. smoke runs after jade who left earlier on when he chose sub-zero. but on his way smoke is captured. sub-zero finds out and goes to jade. who says to him 'what do you want'. sub-zero says 'i am here to tell you smoke wanted you'. jade replies 'if that's true then why are you the one saying this and not him'. sub-zero says 'come with me' and takes jade and they both see smoke, now cyborg :(

Stopped reading right around here.

^ Yeah I don't really mind one way or another if Jade and Smoke hit it off but "love at first sight" may be a little out of place for the environment. If you were to have them get romantic I would suggest they work together professionally so they have time to eventually get distracted by each others company. Otherwise it's really hokey.

i stoped reading around there too. honestly why does everything hav to b about romance? they were hideing in the forest. if they are anything close to good assassins than they never would hav noticed each other right? besides there on opposing sides. Theres already 1 romance in mk and for a game about blood and gore, i think thats plenty. all the mushy stuff just seems outta place in the mk universe imo. i feel like it takes away frm an otherwise dramatic story about a doomed exsistance and each sides fight to get wat they want, whether it b damnation or salvation.

^Right. For a game like this you want to be careful not to have too much focus going in that direction.

maybe not love at first sight. but they were into each other, the first time they saw each other. but nothing happened then, and when smoke decides to make a move, he gets captured and turned into cyborg. and so jade is partly to blame for this. anyways post edited so you may read it now ;)

I'm still hoping we avoid the whole Robo-Smoke dead end this time.

you and me both brother! cyber-smoke was one of my favs back in the day but human-smoke was higher on my list. besides, i think its about time human smoke gets the treatment and polish that robo smoke as been getting over the years. its way over due. the cyber smoke fans have had what they wanted since the old days, its time we human smoke fans get tha version we want 4 awhile. and no weird "see-thru" version...i think we've all had enough of tha.

Absolutely NO "see-through" Smoke. I will not be a happy camper if they pull that one again.

You Ninja Smoke fans have gotten Smoke in MKD/MKSM. You all just treat it as a third form called 'Fog Smoke' Smoke won't evade automation, it's not like they are preventing Liu Kang from being Champion or keeping the Elder Sub-Zero alive. It's staying the same as the classic games, but with some changes.

Not to mention if they wanted him to remain fully human, we'd never have gotten him in MK3.

Don't take offense, but I'm using logic.


PS. Can anyone explain the thrill of Ninja Smoke? All I can think of is just nostalgia.

It's more the idea that unlike Cyborg Smoke, Human Smoke now has a much larger chance of being a real character and not just a sped up version of Scorpion in UMK3.

You're certainly not speaking to me because I've never played MKD/MKSM (MK1-UMK3 got the most play time out of me). I only like Smoke in Human form for nostalgia and because I perfer the Lin Kuei design over the cyber. BUT I perfer how CYBER Smoke PLAYS. I perfer his MK3 moveset to his MKA moveset any day (I tried MKA after I left the franchise when I bought MK4)! Smoke was my main in MK3-MKT. I didn't mind that his human form in UMK3 played like Scorpion because he was my main in MK-MK2. SO it was a Win/Win for me.

IN MY FANTASY LAND Smoke would play the way he did in MK3 for the most part and him looking human would just be a bonus. But I fear he'll be effed up with stinky this and stinky that. So not what I'm use to... But because my main character happens to have similar moves to at least three other characters a lot of MK fans want those moves taken away. It's a bummer. I still think any characters moves shouldn't be taken away once those moves have been given to them in playable form. It's just alienating to the people that use them.

The two best resolutions I've heard are:
1. Smoke retains his "borrowed moves" but they look way different (smokey). But the moves more or less have the same/simular effects they had before. Example- Smoke's harpoon is replaced by smoke/myst that draws you near.

2. Smoke has two play-styles in one character. You can transform back n forth between human and cyber. Human looks like a ninja but doesn't share any ninja moves. Cyber plays like MK3/UMK3.

taken from another Smoke topic

If that is the case then I will thank Boon for helping me save $60 or whatever this game [and the next one] will retail for. I am not going through that bullshit again.

Cyborg Smoke and human Smoke were nearly identical when it came to moves. The teleport punch spear/harpoon if they make him his own charcter then i wouldnt mind getting a cyborg or a human.But I liked what they did with smoke in MKD the nperfect cyborg look he had his own moves and his own spectacular fatalities. If smoke was on his own in mkd and not attached to noob then smoke would have had alot going for him.Even though I love the Noob-Smoke combinaation.

But for the story cyber had it all trying not to kill your best friend as a cyborg trying not to be that souless assaain like your counter parts cyrax and sektor really gave him his all.

As a human he escapes automation and what else is there of a story if they can make his story better as a human im alright with it. And I hope has his axe back like the way he did before as a human.

i just want my umk3 human smoke back with afew new moves. that weird see thru eff-up was just a bad attempt at differing him frm the other ninjas. thier will most likely be both a human smoke and a cyber smoke in the end cus thats the way it was in the old days. after all, this is just a re-telling of the 1st 3. they will probably play different too. you notice they had diff combos back in the day right? more than likely, same case here. bye the way ppl im a fan of both versions, i just prefer the ninja look over the cyber look complete w puffs of smoke.(yes i kno the puffs were present in both, i hav the game.) and to the guy that wanted an explaination(sp), it rly just comes down to a preferance i prefer the ninja look over cyber BUT, that doesnt mean i dnt wanna c cyber smoke. i want both to make it in the game(like tha days of old). im just saying they should do human smoke right and not try to revamp a character that so many ppl already enjoyed!

@red virtue: i agree w the effed_up moves comment. stinky? really? i mean that just sounds silly. they could've gave tha moves btr names. btw friend, u hav an awesome sig.

I see. Alot has to do with nostalgia and the chance for a fully realized Ninja Smoke that's not a gray Scorpion. (even though there's one in MKD/MKA) @Zmoke I wasn't griping. Whether he has human skin, or is referred to as this non-existant third 'fog' form, the Team calls him Ninja Smoke.

that wasnt the arguement n the least. what the team calls him matters not, zmoke was simply trying to state that we use a different term to describe the different looks smoke has had. human=ninja with skin, cyber ninja=robot, "fog"=no skin aka "see-through". by saying we want human smoke to make a return we mean we want nrs to do away with the "no skin/see-through" and bring back the "human smoke" which as been absent since the old games. get it now?

Cyber Ninja does not equal robot. It's Cyborg.

I'm just saying alot of people foolishly state there are 3 forms of Smoke when there are only 2.

I do love Smoke's story from friend of Sub-Zero to forced Cybernetic Ninja. I feel both of these elements are essential to the emotional scale of his tale. I am hoping that we get to see this transition in story mode.

I'm interested in seeing him lose the "palette swap" spear and teleport punch for a more original moveset.

Regardless, based on what I've seen of the characters so far in MK 2011, I fully trust NRS's ambition in making each character unique and interesting. I will take Smoke in whatever way they decide to present him in this game. I'm sure I will be happy.

Don't focus on such minuscule things. I entirely know that NRS likes to call the fog version Ninja Smoke (Smoke Bio) like they call his human embodiment that but they do that only in attempt to make Human Smoke fans to adopt this horrific exhaust fume costume somehow. But that didn't work out surprisingly. There's a big difference between the fog demon and the human one. That is why we like to separate them.

Compare these pictures below and tell me if you can see the difference. You need to separate them somehow and the most logical and reasonable name for the latter is Human, is it not? (just like Reptile - Human Reptile)

fixed.

on a serious note, I don't see any serious changes going on aside from Raiden's time screw-ups Boon mentioned. As long as the new story is fleshed out and interesting its all good. People need to relax, aside from the fact that this is the MK development team we are talking about. it could be a massive story screw up too I suppose.