The more I think about it, the more I believe they should leave Jade out this time, or in the future anyway. I don't hate her, but she is MK redundancy at its finest: a copy of Kitana that works as Kitana's sidekick. She does nothing but looking mysterious (whatever that means) and diluting Kitana's role (she's much better without having to rely on Jade).

I disagree, Jade is a great character and she should definitely have a playable spot in this game. I want to see everyone from UMK3. I really want to see Kitana, Jade, Sindel all playable together in one game, because they havent since UMK3, MKTrilogy, because I dont count MK Armageddon.

Your last statement makes no sense. Kitana has never relied on Jade before. Even in Deception.

Around this time, Jade is depicted as an evil character, so who knows, maybe she'll continue being evil with the way these events could change.

But Kitana has never relied on Jade. Jade's character has always done things for Edenia, but it never said "I did this because Kitana wants me to, she ordered me to go after so-and-so."

Even in Deception, her ending has it to where she's going up against Tanya and winning the battle, there's no where in her ending that states that she's after Kitana and saving her. That's all Sindel's role.

Sure she aids Sindel in freeing her daughter, I'd ask for help too if I'm going up against the Dragon King. And what person should I ask other than my personal bodyguard-like friend?

In deception Jade is some sort of Kitana back-up. It's one of the things that gave Kitana the reputation of a weak fighter over the years: I mean, Jade was doing Kitana's job in that game and Kitana shouldn't need that. I'd rather watch Kitana doing Kitana's job, not some back-up Edenian fighter with ninja training who used to work for Kahn but turned on him and now works for the Edenian queen.

Doing Kitana's job? What are you talking about? Kitana was mind-controlled by Onaga after having been ressurected by him. Kitana was killed by the Deadly Alliance! She failed at doing her job!

Jade helped Queen Sindel rescuing her daughter from the clutches of the Dragon King, and because Sindel couldn't hurt her own daughter, Jade stepped forth and held Kitana back two times - first when Jade and Sindel fled the Edenian prison, and second in Sindel's ending.

And all the while this is happening, Jade also finds the time to confront Tanya, something Kitana couldn't do due to being under mind-control. Sure, Kitana could have done this some point before or after her being mind-controlled, but she had some other issues to deal with, greater issues. Jade has always been the supporter of Kitana, a sidekick if you will, but she has also been important to the Edenian throne. She was the leader of the Edenian Freedom Fighters, she was a highly accounted general of Edenia and she is Kitana's right-hand woman, not to mention her best friend through millennia.

That said, whatever happened in MKD is of absolutely no matter to the upcoming MK, since it happens way before MKD. In this timeline, Kitana, Mileena and Jade are all assassins for Shao Kahn. While Kitana is more or less an Outworld celebrity, being the emperor's "daughter" and the top class assassin she is, Jade stays in the background, striking her enemies from the shadows. At this point, Jade does the dirty work that Kitana isn't appointed to while Mileena's job is to keep an eye on Kitana.

So yeah, Jade is a secondary character, but so are many of the other MK characters, such as Baraka, Reptile, Kung Lao, Jax, Fujin etc. These characters aren't exactly important to the main storyline, they aren't lead characters and their roles could be filled out by the more "important" characters, however, they have still proved to be important enough to be part of the storyline! They are supporting characters to the lead roles. And such characters are needed in a good story.

Therefore Jade deserves a slot on the character select screen along with the others.

Jade WAS doing Kitana's job, deal with it. I just think a "best friend" to back Kitana up is not needed, because Kitana should be self-reliant, no sidekicks allowed. That's it. All this stuff you keep mentioning, I don't see it. Jade has no significant (key word "significant") identity of her own, but she weakens Kitana's stance and role. I think this time they should have her sacrifice herself to help Kitana around MK3, die and disappear graciously. Unless they can really reboot her character into something new, she's not worth keeping around.

If Jade was in fact doing Kitana's job, Kitana would do it herself. But she didn't. The MK team wanted Jade to be more in the spot, so they scrapped Kitana from MKD to have Jade be in it. Deal with it!
I find Jade significant and so do others on this forum. Just because you don't find her worth being in the game doesn't mean she isn't. You are of course entitled to your opinion, but don't make up stuff to make it into something that it isn't.
Jade is not the one weakening Kitana's role. Kitana does that all by herself. And if you want to blame anyone, blame her makers.

I wouldn't go as far to say that Kitana is a shitty character. I like Kitana. I just like Jade more. ;)

@Warlady: How would you say if Jade not important or shouldnt earn her spot, i totally disagree with you Jade is an important character without her no kitana just saying. Jade deserves her spot and should be confirmed. Also, no offense but if you don't like Jade or think something that is off the subject please don't type just simply create a subject to say should jade confirm or not. Honesty, jade deserves a spot nuff said, just like if you would say Jax; Sonya was one of the first warriors and Jaxs popped up thats excalty what your saying and Jax is important and so as Jade AND SINDEL!

@....... Dont say Kitana is shitty. i agree with Jaded-Raven approach it another way. Also Kitana is a beast in MK history but LOVE JADE BETTER! Amen JADED-RAVEN.
Dimitri13 = Retarded

Also Warlady, i see you have Rose icon Rose is like Jade in Sf those people might say how RYU AND KEN AND CHUN LI IS THE MAIN OR THE HEAD OF SF.. That is not true at all there are just popular. (LOVE CHUN LI !!!!!) Jade is the same thing, Rose is bison "soul mate" (power) those might say she is not important same as jade. Rose and Jade and different personalities and distinctions from each other. Like bison is evil and Rose is good and Kitana and Jade are just different.

I never understand your posts man...it's always a screaming OMG KITANA AND JADE SOOOOO SEXY!!!! and then some ranting about something. lol

LMAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ITS SO TRUE

Actually I have every right to. She is a shitty character, to me that is. To you, maybe not. But I've seen her done absolutely nothing in these games.

If she's not a shitty character to you, that's great. But I really don't see how great of a character she is. Hell, I even said that I prefer not even having her around in future games. I prefer Mileena and Jade over her, heck even Tanya. I don't really like Kitana that much.

But oh well, an opinion is an opinion.

In all honesty though, Jade was NOT doing Kitana's job in Deception, she was helping to liberate Kitana's soul, take out Tanya, and serve her Queen (Kitana cannot liberate her self from Onaga's control nor could Sindel have escaped without her help).

Also, I don't know of any video game, movie, book, or television show that doesn't have so called "back up" characters (called supporting cast actually). Everyone cannot be the star/lead in any given story. Jade did shine in Deception and proved to be relevent, but her acting as an ally of Kitana isn't an actual character or story weakness. If that was the case, characters like Kung Lao, Jax, Johnny Cage, Shang Tsung, Quan Chi, Kano etc would all suck simply because they're "doing other people's jobs or backing them up", which isn't really an argument for a character being sucky, collaboration with other cast members isn't the problem in a nutshell.

Warlady is so ignorant, she's not even worth the argue.

And Kitana IS a shitty character. To me at least.

I don't like Jade much but still her >>>> Kitana.

If you guys dont like Jade or Kitana, then why are you posting on this thread?

Because you do know that it does bring up good arguments towards those who do enjoy those characters and not everyone that posts in these kinds of threads have to like that particular character that's in discussion.

I don't know why it always has to become a fight over opinions. Jade has no real relevance and winds up hurting the image of a more relevant character. The way Jade is currently, she's not needed, but she could still evolve.
Once again, in deception she was doing Kitana's job: fighting for Edenia and Sindel is her job, the rest are excuses.
I find it laughable (about "Kitana's ugly designs") that when Jade was created as a tanned Kitana in green with brass fans, no one complains, but if Kitana wears a loincloth, she stole it from Jade: first of all, if anything she stole it from Frost , then a loincloth is a part of many designs, yet Jade wears it once and now it's her trademark forever? Concepts of costumes created for Kitana were used on Mileena and Jade, but somehow the result is not "The Edenian fighters design is sort of interchangable", it's "Kitana sucks" (obviuosly a shitty character... Please note I called nobody "shitty"). Right. Haters gonna hate, I guess.

Again same as rose, Bison and her are like soul mate (same power). She is like jade because she tried to stop him and she is similar to her other character. Some may say Ryu, Ken and Chun li is the face of sf. That is not true there are just popular just like scorpion and subzero. Same thing, some say rose isn't important because she is just a fortune teller, well Rose deserved to be in sf4/ssf4. Jade deserve it too. I am not hating, it is just your opinion and yea i am just bring up rose because she is like Rose, both back up the story........ Rose and bison are different, Rose is good; Bison is evil; Rose has a scarf, Bison don't; Rose has different moves. Jade and Kitana are just different. They both have a role to play.

Also those who say kitana a shitty character plzzz she is not that is the nicest thing i would say ever....... What if i say scorpion a shitty character you guys will have the same reaction. Thank you no heads.

The age of palette swapping is over. Back then, it was common practise to palette swap characters to make new characters, due to lack of memory on ports and such. And because MK used digitalized characters, it was also more affordable as they did not have to hire a new actor for each character. That is why that back then it was alright that Jade was a palette swap of Kitana.

Today it is a different story. They have the funds and the means to make each character unique from one another visually. And that is what they started doing in MK4 and even more so in MKDA.
Were you around when MKDA came out? Kitana fans freaked out about the fact that her main outfit looked purple instead of blue. Blue is Kitana's trademark colour, purple is Mileena's, and therefore many fans found it unacceptable that Kitana wore Mileena's colour.
Personally I had no problems with it. Sure, I like the blue version that appears in MK Armageddon better, because the blue colour is what I, along with many others, link to Kitana's character design, however, I did not have a specific problem with it being purple.

It is the same with the loincloth. Jade was given a loincloth in MKD-MKA and also had it in MK Shaolin Monks - but in that game, so did Mileena. However, many fans have linked the long loincloth to Jade's character design now and feel that Kitana has "stolen" the design. I see your point with how it could be stolen from Frost, Kitana's loincloth being blue with the design on it and so on, but somehow people see it as Jade's.
Again, personally I have no problem with it. The only problem I have with Kitana's design this time around is that it seems to lean more to her princessy aspect rather than her assassin aspect. But what are alternate outfits for? ;)

Of course you are entitled to your opinion, however, I still find it invalid when it comes to how much Jade deserves a spot in the game. I still don't see Jade as having done "Kitana's job", because again, if Kitana was supposed to do what Jade did, then Kitana would have done it.
That you say Jade has no real relevance is something you could say about many of the characters of Mortal Kombat. MK is known for having loads of characters, each with their own agenda, and not all of them are important to the main storyline as such, but I don't see them as less worthy as a character because of that.

If we went your way, then we would have Shao Kahn, Shang Tsung, Raiden, Liu Kang, Sindel and Kitana. And that would be it. They are the ones who are connected directly to the main storyline - the rest are just filler characters.
The main storyline is: Earthrealm is threatened to be taken over by the ruler of Outworld (Shao Kahn) and has sent his sorcerer (Shang Tsung) to Earthrealm to deal with the preparations to take over the realm - the Mortal Kombat tournament. So the protector of Earthrealm (Raiden) finds a chosen one (Liu Kang) to defeat the sorcerer and the emperor and ultimately stop them from taking over the world. This sums up MK1-2.
The emperor then finds a way to forcefully take over the world by resurrecting his bride (Sindel) on Earthrealm grounds, and the human chosen one finds the key to stop it - the emperor's daughter (Kitana) - who can convince her mother, the emperor's bride, to stop the merging of the realms. And that sums up MK3.

The rest of the characters could be cut out. However, that is not the case, because they each play a minor role in the storyline which makes it so interesting. And Jade is one of those characters.
And therefore I find your arguements invalid.

Agreed.

Also, to those of you saying Jade was doing Kitana's job, hello thats because Kitana was under Onaga's control. Did you happen to miss that part while playing MKDeception? If Kitana had not died and been resurrected to serve Onaga, she would have been pincessing Edenia, but she couldnt, so Jade had to step in for a while. Also, I mean Kitana and Jade are best friends, Sindel is their queen, it only makes sense that they would go rescue Kitana.


About the loincloth stealing, The artists made several concepts of loincloth and dressy costumes that were intended for Kitana, but later given to Mileena and Jade, when they decided to give Jade an update since she had not been in a game since UMK3. The only thing that bothers me about Kitana's new costume is that the loin cloth should be longer and it should be front and back, not just front. I liked the only front loin cloth for Jade in MKD, but I think Kitana should have a front/back loin cloth. It would look much better, and the criss cross on her top should be left for her alternate ninja costume, not on her princess costume.


btw, I hate Kitana's purple costume, her worst design yet. If it was blue, it would be really good though. Her MKvsDC costume was horrible too, the purple one is only worse than that because its purple.

And I don't understand why is it so hard to get: if you are in a story to fulfill the role of another character, you are doing that character's job, regardless of specific story details. I'm honestly confused by people praising Jade as superior to Kitana when she did for a game what Kitana had been doing since the beginning. We are not talking about every redundant character in MK, but Jade specifically is redundant: she's not her own character and, looking like an easy replacement for Kitana, she weakens Kitana's role. Like Kitana or not, she IS the Edenian heroine; for this reason alone, she deserves better spotlight and not to be made look weak to give Jade a chance. She and her "best friend" are just not equal and it's not a matter of personal taste. This is like the discussion about human Smoke: if he doesn't become a cyborg and just hangs around with Sub-Zero, he becomes redundant. If they keep things like that there is no reason, beyond personal taste, to keep around Jade, who is not Kitana version 2.0 just for a few mannerisms.
Come on everybody, there is no reason to react like angry fanboys: it's not like the redundancy of characters like Jade and Sindel has never been discussed before!

I don't think anyone is reacting like an angry fanboy. We're just disagreeing with you. I have to agree with Jaded-Raven, but he (she?) has said everything I wanted to and more. Your opinion is your opinion. Kitana's job was to protect the realm, Jade's was to be a shadow and work on things behind the scenes. The last time I checked, Kitana's job wasn't supposed to be working in the shadows murdering people, assisting HERSELF in getting freed and in general doing the dirty work of a tyrannical warlord. Kitana's a princess assassin, Jade is nobility and an assassin simultaneously. I see no overlap in roles. Unless you are trying to make the comparison that both Jade and Kitana are trying to restore peace and balance to their realm, but at that point you may as well say Kitana has no purpose because she's serving the role of Liu Kang or Sonya. Doesn't really add up.