As an anti-hero, it's a bit tough because it's not like you want him to be completely good, but you don't want him siding with the villains.

We especially don't need another character being involved with Quan Chi's mess.

But what would be interesting is if you somehow tie in God of War stories with this. Such as something involving with his family... Maybe Kahn has some sort of way to bring him back, he heard about it.

But of course that's really a readable story.

I know it wasn't intended to be, but ShadowPreacher being called a "lore informant" and compared to me in that way is deeply insulting and offensive to me.

I'd rather you just straight-up called me dirty words, quite frankly, than tell the lie that Preacher has ever shared helpful knowledge or positively contributed on this board in any way. If you're gonna compare me to him, at LEAST use the only trait we actually DO have in common, the fact that we're both argumentative assholes.
I'd be less offended if you went back in time one year and said "ColdWindBlows and Razor are both {insert any trait here}", and that dude was an actual troll who got banned for trolling.
Maybe you're confusing him with someone else? Preacher's only been here like less than a year, how can you have a rose-tinted memory of the behavior of a guy whose first post was in, like, last August, and was kinda dickish then too?

Well, that's not really my problem. SP has come up with some really good stuff about the MK lore in the past, you and he are the ones in my mind when I think about the lore freaks on this site. Neither of you are being pleasant persons, but you got your MK stuff right and credits are where credits due.

I know you're sitting on that high piedestal of yours, thinking that you're the best there is, but again, that's not really my problem.

No he hasn't! This is not an event that has happened. Someone ELSE probably came up with this "really good stuff about the MK lore in the past" that you read, and that other person maybe had a Kano avatar too? Or a similar screenname? Maybe you should do a board search and figure out who you're really talking about.



My whole point is that's a mistake! I'm telling you, you're thinking of somebody else, you've got the wrong guy! Preacher literally never posts continuity stuff except to start some bullshit argument with someone else who posted first, about "how this was better in MK2011 and the old games weren't as good as you think they were" and his info is usually wrong in some obvious way because he doesn't actually know a lot. When it comes to story, he only responds to tear down others, he's never had ideas or insights of his own.

The lore guys are dudes like Garlador, Shadaloo, Ninja Mime, TempUserName, ProudNintendoFan, ]{0mbat and Crow on the rare occasions they post... Mick-Lucifer has his moments...gimme time and I can think of more...

But ShadowPreacher isn't a name that belongs on that list, he's not one of the guys who posts ideas or analysis. He doesn't do that, he never has. And the dude's only been here 10 months and hasn't even posted on any other board than MK2011. You couldn't possibly be thinking of the right guy.

This isn't about me, not really...I mean yeah I felt insulted, but what actually bothers me is that you're not giving credit where it's due, you're giving it to the wrong person. I never said the right person has to be me, I'm happy to recognize plenty of other guys who know their shit, I'd love to in fact because sometimes I feel like I spend so much time arguing things or lamenting how depressing this place has gotten that I don't let the posters I actually respect know how much I appreciate their still being here...but I don't want to see credit go to someone who hasn't done a single thing to deserve it, especially if someone who does is maybe being overlooked by mistake.

Since I've always wanted to try this out, I'm making my "what if Kratos was involved in MK9?" story as a fanfic. It will be my first written fanfic! I'll submit it to the Fan Submission forum when I have finalized it. I'm still writing the beginning chapters. Don't expect anything for a couple of weeks or so, in case my procrastination problems come up to strangle me.

>Anti-hero
I know plenty about anti-heroes, as the Punisher of Marvel Comics is my second favorite Marvel character. That, and I've been a GOW fan since I was still a little kid. And an MK fan since I was about 4 years old, so it's not like I'm treading into mostly uncharted waters here. Right?

>Tie in God of War stories with this
I've got some ideas.

Okay, getting back on-topic because I do think there's the potential to be intriguing here...
I'd think the biggest obstacle to adding Kratos to MK canon is explaining how the Greek Gods and the MK gods exist side by side when it's already been established that every culture has actually been worshipping different interpretations of the MK gods. For example, every thunder god IS Raiden. Haokah is Raiden, Zeus is Raiden, Thor is Raiden, they're all different areas of the world's stories about the same guy.

So if Kratos is in MK, is Kratos Raiden's illegitimate son who wants to murder him? What did Raiden do to deserve that? Who's Ares in the MK version of Kratos' backstory?
Or are you just gonna pull a Link-in-SC2 and say Kratos was portalled in from an alternate version of Earth where the gods are different? Because that's kind of a cheap move that says "by acknowledging that he comes from a different setting, he's still not part of ours, he's only, like, half-canon..."

>RazorsEdge
That is a very good point. I don't believe that GOW and MK can exist in the same cosmic universe. If that is the case, Raiden cannot be alive, Kratos killed Zeus and many other gods of Olympus in God of War III. If he was pulled into that time of MK, Raiden could be alive, but if Kratos was returned to his time he would still continue on his quest to kill Zeus. So transporting Kratos back to his time would probably cause Raiden to cease existing.

Well, I've always liked that concept of different universes with their own set of alternate realities. Take Marvel Comics for instance. I consider the mainstream reality of Marvel as Earth-616. There is another, Earth-1316, that is Ultimate Marvel. Earth-2149, Marvel Zombies. Earth-928, 2099 Marvel.

An example of the alternate realities meeting:
The Fantastic Four of Earth-1316 (Ultimate), once traveled to Earth-2149 (Marvel Zombies) by accident. The Marvel Zombies came to be when the Sentry of Earth-91126 punched his way into Earth-2149, carrying a disease that turned individuals into flesh-eating zombies.

Well yeah, what I'm suggesting is that the best way to make Kratos canon to MK is to make an MK universe version of Kratos where the events of the GOW games didn't happen, but he has a similar origin story, just with the MK gods substituted in for their Greek equivalents. Then you follow him killing the MK God of War, becoming the new God of War, finding out who his father is, etc.

'Course, MK would need a God of War for this to work...what's interesting is that there's been a little implication that Shao Kahn's domain was War back when he was Outworld's god...('course he turned on Onaga more than ten thousand years ago, a little too late for him to have a role in the life of a character from Ancient Greece.)

So then there's Freddy. What's fun to me about the idea of adding Freddy to MK isn't necessarily Krueger himself (although I do like when they add more metaphysical realms to MK like Nightwolf's Spirit Realm, so the Dream Realm would be a welcome addition if they could think of creative ways to use it)...but the other characters in the same universe who would come along with him.

See, we all know Freddy and Jason Voorhees live in the same world...but here's something fun you may not know: the reason Jason keeps coming back from the dead? His mom used the Necronomicon. Not the Lovecraft one, the one from Evil Dead. Which means you get Ash Williams and Kandarian Deadite-demons (They'll swallow your soul, don'tcha know. Ought to fit right in.) added to MK canon.

Bruce Campbell voice acting in an MK game? License to print money.

>To make Kratos canon to MK
That is an excellent suggestion. But I don't believe I'm ready to tackle that kind of stuff yet. The idea I was going for when I started this little fanfic of mine was to see how Kratos could fit into the story, with him being an anomaly from an alternate universe. Not necessarily being of the same cosmic universe as MK's. I think trying to create all these ideas for how Kratos could exist in the same cosmos would be a bit too much for me. It's only my first written fanfic, after all.

>Freddy Krueger and Jason Voorhees' existence in the same world
Ooooh, I never knew that.

Well there was a whole movie where Freddy fights Jason.

There was going to be a sequel too, Freddy vs. Jason vs. Ash...but it fell through so the writer released the script as a comic book miniseries instead. It was pretty good.

@ unknown

Yeah if you actually watch the movies where Jason and Freddy are "defeated" for good in their own series, they both make cameo appearances.

Ahh, see I've never actually watched any of their respective films or the crossover film. But I am starting to gain an interest in the Nightmare On Elm Street series.

LMFAO. Nice hissy fit Razor. But I think it's you who is the one to get me mixed up with someone else. Jaded and I are far from friends but I'll give him credit for for giving credit to others who he may be arguing with, which you are clearly too immature to do. I'm curious what exactly it is about the MK story that I supposedly don't know. No, your problem with me is threefold:

A: I don't quite think the original MK story is the greatest tale ever told in modern fiction like you do.

B: I enjoyed the new story for what it is

C: I'm not shy about pointing any of this out.

There is nothing else to analyze; the MK story is not and has never been deep, and your beef is over subjective disagreements. And some of the names you dropped...really now? Ninja Mime spends most of his time grumbling about the entire original cast and putting down oldschool fans for not being "open-minded" enough to swoon over Dairou. Garlador's posts were a lot of pics cobbled together. He seemed more interested in "hey, look at me and how funny I am!" than in telling us anything about the characters we didn't know in his "analysis" threads.

It's also interesting that you casually admit you're an asshole. Um...no kidding? Don't worry about me "cutting people down" because a few here are a little too thin skinned to take when I'm obviously stirring the pot for laughs. How about we focus instead on how you're unconcerned with being a total jerkoff towards people if you perceive them as not being as smart as you (never mind human decency), while at the same time perceiving them as not smart if they don't agree with you. Hmmm....do we see a pattern forming here? Self-fulfilling prophecy much? Never mind the fact that memorizing obscure MK trivia from the Mythologies manual is not a measure of a person's intelligence...maybe just their priorities and amount of time on their hands.

If you really want an "E-piece" of me, you're more than welcome to PM me anytime. Otherwise quit derailing threads there Atrocitus.

If I had to guess, it sounds like Jaded Raven might be referring to BlackCyborg. He had an MK1 Kano avatar prior to the new game's release, but I believe he has a Sub-Zero avatar these days.
EDIT: Then again, Preacher wrote a lot in Garlador's character threads. Maybe Jaded is referring to that.

Seems like I started a shitroll here... again... in this thread... -_-
Unknown265, I truly am sorry, this was so not intentional.

This is the kind of insight you get from a guy that hasn't even been here a full year.
I know this is a crazy concept, Preacher, but please do try and keep up: Sometimes...people posted things BEFORE you got here! (gasp!) Some of those posts were even good! It sure is a shame that you missed out on them, and never got to see what some posters were like in the vague and distant past obsured by the mists of time.
Gee, just imagine what one could uncover...if only one had access to a time machine...or if, y'know, this was a place where everything was typed instead of spoken, saved forever, and you could search for it... Gee, that would be crazy, right?

Alright alright, I've read all I can read. Stop de-railing the thread and get to the topic or suffer thy wrath! No, but really get back on the topic.

I've lurked here on and off since before Deception came out. Swing and a miss.

They haven't posted anything interesting or insightful lately which is all that matters. It's funny that the people always lamenting the state of their forum are the same ones who do nothing to change it or contribute (today being the key word).

And...where the hell do you come from where you think its perfectly normal to login and do a search on, say, ninja mime posts from 2006. Why would I do that? lmfao

We've avoided the worst shitstorms according to the meteorologists fortunately, but please – you two – continue it via PM if somewhere.
Who would be Fred and Kratos' allies and would they instantly align evil?

They would both be neutral as they both only follow their own agenda, not working for the greater good or greater evil. Kratos isn't a hero, he is a bitter man on a quest for revenge (how original, huh?) and NO ONE shall stand in his way. He kills whoever he wants to kill and only make allies as long it benefits him and helps him achieve his goal.

Freddy is just a, insane douchebag who likes to kill people, then it doesn't matter who they are or who they serve.

Pretty much what Jaded-Raven said.

I would like to add that though Kratos' goals are not always for himself, he still destroys whoever and whatever stands in his way. One such instance, is when Kratos was on a quest for the Ambrosia, an elixir attributed to have vast healing, regenerative and immortalizing capabilities. While Kratos' Spartan soldiers did die in the quest and Kratos killed other men that were on their own quests for the Ambrosia, Kratos did it all to save his daughter. She was afflicted with a plague and was deemed weak by Spartan laws, and was to be sacrificed.

I would expect Freddy Krueger to perhaps ally with the Outworlders temporarily. Till he gets a chance to strike down Shao Kahn.

They are both quite hazardous characters for the Forces of Light to settle down with but judging by Freddy's ending, he can't molest children freely for long. He would possibly join forces with someone from Nether- or Chaosrealm, or partake in some lunatic experiment by Kano's doctor.
God of War has always been quite an interesting game series, I have watched a plethora of its gameplay videos as I don't own a PS3. Kratos is like "Scorpion inside a buffed Quan Chi in the Greek mythology" radically speaking. He is one of the most "neutral" characters that have touched MK but even Scorpion is capable of allying if that's what it takes to accomplish.
If Scorpion can do it... As a character Kratos is rather evil – he only might not join the Forces of Evil – he just desires not to bow to anyone. Even then someone, like Reptile, could bow to him allying with his new boss.
Both of them start neutral before knowing no one, Freddy becomes evil probably soon after and Kratos could possibly take Shao Kahn's place → evil. It's worth noting that The One Being affects in great warriors.

Quite the observations, Zmoke.

I agree with what you said about Freddy's likely alignments.

Kratos is rather evil, as you stated. Him taking Shao Kahn's place as the Emperor of Outworld is not a far-fetched idea, speaking within Kratos' personality, though I am not sure if he will give up his quest for vengeance against Zeus for ruling Outworld. In the GOW games, Kratos had many treasures and such gained during his time as the God of War, but he never was truly happy.

Yeah, Kratos doesn't strike me as the sort of person to care for sitting on a throne and telling other people what to do. I can only imagine him fighting. He's the type to kill a king only to walk off and not care what happens to that kingdom next.

Funny thing is Kratos did just that in God of War: Chains of Olympus (Playstation Portable) against the Persian King.

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Me being sick, combined with my horrible procrastination isn't doing wonders for the progress of my fic. But rest assured, I will complete it and submit it at some point. T-T