I don't really care if we get any more guest characters for DLC, there's a lot more important stuff I'd rather worry about then optional content I don't have to buy if I don't want to.

I can't believe this thread is still going on...

I know, it's just like Freddy and Jason, it just won't fucking die. XD

*Yawn*

Part of the appeal of guest characters is the fact they can stand out. Diversity is great. And the presence of guest characters can allow for some interesting fights. I'd love to see the Alien and the Predator go up against the likes of Baraka, the Shokans, Motaro, just to name a few. I would enjoy seeing Freddy and Jason kill some of MK's more annoying characters such as Jax or Scorpion.

Guest characters can also provide me with victims. Kratos could have been a lot of fun to murder, but he had to receive special treatment during X-rays and some of the fatalities. That's a guest character handled wrong.

i love seeing reason in forums, there's so little of it nowadays.

The only thing truly done wrong with him is that he ACTUALLY got an alternate costume.

I would buy them.

Kratos' special treatment during certain fatalities was most annoying. So I wonder, if Jason made it into the game, how should be handled fatality-wise?

Should he scream, no matter how out of character that is, or should he remain silent? Not screaming might seem like special treatment, but remember that Cyrax in MK:DA didn't scream when finished by his opponents either.

I'd have loved to truly humilate Kratos, but I'd be a hypocrite if i required Jason to get special treatment while asking Kratos not to get any, even if not screaming is more in-character for Jason. That's one challenge some guest characters can provide, the risk of either representing them accurately, potentially at the expense of MK's own characters, or "balance" them so to speak even if it changes the character, even makes them look weaker than the MK roster.

Some might say not to bother with guest characters in that case, but I enjoy the challenge of trying to make them work without degrading MK's characters.

The only time I care for crossover characters is in crossover games, like MVC, Tatsunoko v.s. Capcom etc.


If they do become DLC, at least they're optional, but honestly, I'd prefer actual legit MK characters. I'll take Havik, Sareena, Bo'Rai Cho, Drahmin, Fujin or any MK character over them.

I don't have a problem with characters reacting in-character (ie. Kratos shaking his fist at Ermac during his fatality, Jason not screaming), however I think it's a problem when other characters give them special treatment for no reason (ie. Johnny Cage not planting the trophy on Kratos and Mileena not eating his face).

This is great news. For Jason's alt costume they should use the outfit from Jason X.

I certainly agree with the comment about Johnny and Mileena.

One way special treatment could be avoided is if it was agreed that not everyone is in character when getting killed. After all, am I supposed to believe that every MK characters would react the exact same way when getting killed? I'm particularly referring to Ermac's pest control fatality, with everyone but Kratos running in panic. Maybe it's time MK characters were more individualised during fatalities, not in ways that take away the pleasure of killing them of course.

Kratos not getting special treatment wouldn't have made him look worse than anyone else. Those who want him to look strong would just have had to win as him. But I realise Sony was pathetically insecure about his image.

So, the solution is either to agree not everyone's in character during fatalities, which avoids special treatment for guest characters, or make many if not everyone of MK's characters die differently, which allows guest characters to be portrayed accurately.

if u use pest control on raiden he SHOULD HAVE shocked ermac as he walks close to him then ermac could get pissed and jump on him

Putting Snake Plisskin in the film "The Usual Suspects" would have added diversity, but if you think doing so would have made the movie better, you would be wrong.


Redundant violence that will get old within weeks (and that's being generous) should NOT be a reason to prioritize guest characters over MK characters.

My next point was that MK characters can actually expand the mythology and (permanently) expand the gameplay engine, but why do I have to say that? This stuff should be obvious, but for some reason or another, people just don't get this.

You guys aren't fans of Mortal Kombat, you guys are fans of VIOLENCE. And the worst part? Quality violence is STILL not a reason to include them! There is nothing Freddy and Jason can do that the current characters cannot. There's nothing Jason can do with his machete that Kitana can't do with her fans. There's nothing Freddy can do with his glove that Skarlet can't do with her Kunais.

Freddy and Jason aren't even good designs. When you take them out of the context of their films, they're just bland and ugly.


You want to talk about reason? Oh hell yes. Let's talk about reason.

Creating unique moves which will ultimately have to be discarded for two characters who will NEVER be in MK again = unreasonable.

Barring characters like Fujin and Reiko who could actually expand the MK storyline to include Freddy and Jason, who by the way haven't contributed anything artistically worthwhile in over 15 years = unreasonable.

Using violence as an endorsing argument for two characters, even though no one still gives a shit about the fatalities we have now = unreasonable.

You guys don't even care about the guest character you have now! Why do you want more?

your missing the point, you take this too seriously. its a game, calm down. guest characters arent meant to expand the mythology, they're there for shits and giggles. nothing more, nothing less. to get angry over something so trivial is unreasonable.

Guest characters would be a waste of time and space.

I loved that look for him.

I've just found the best way to avoid special treatment and remain faithful to the guest characters at the same time! A "In-character" mode located in the option menu. When activated, guest characters that require different reactions during fatalities (and maybe X-Rays too) will get it. When deactivated, they die the same way as the MK characters. I just thought about it, and it's not that far out of character for most of the MK cast to die as they currently do. So the optional "in-character" mode would be the best of both worlds.

Also, about Jason. Gameplay-wise, I'd hope they wouldn't turn him into a martial artist just to balance him, though on the other hand it'd be hilarious. Maybe my "in-character" mode idea could be applied to Jason's gameplay (as in, his basic attacks) too. Anyway, an accurate gameplay for Jason would pretty much require him to be a semi-boss in strenght and durability. I also think he shouldn't have the ability to block, as it's not something I feel he'd do. To balance it, his attacks would deal heavy damage even when blocked.

The "in-character" mode could be applied to MK characters as well.

No, If any guest character would appear he would need to fit in to the universe, so immersion doesn't get too much broken... Kratos is one of the characters (I still don't want him) that fits in best of the most popular franchises, It's from a videogame, which acknowledges multiple gods, The character is not afraid to use violence and is unique enugh to provide a valid gameplay addition... Oh and can be explained into arriving in a games universe

Star Wars however, did not fit in with Soul Calibur at all , and Spawn didn't either... Link was accepted do to the immense popularity, and actually comes from a game where he uses weapons... and Heihachi is (kind of) set in the same universe anyhow...

Adding Horror icons just becuase they slaughter people is bad reason to put in this game, people who actually want to play the game without having the intrusion of B Movie Horror icons (Which I think is the majority) shouldn't have to deal with them, you can say... you don't HAVE to download them... but I do need to download the compatibility patch so I do have to fight them at one point...

Now if they made a fighting game surrounding horror Icons I'd totally support...

Not too seriously: just seriously. Yes, I do take this game seriously. I can only hope NRS gives deaf ears to those who don't take MK seriously. I love this franchise. I don't want to see it's potential wasted on these artistically bankrupt horror icons.

And maybe I'd be a little more easy going if I had not had this same argument five times now. If you people want violence, go watch SAW XI or something.


They're not meant to exist. They are wasted opportunities. And you're right. Guest characters are just for shits and giggles. Fleshing out the MK mythology is more important than shits and giggles.

not when dlc is involved. my favorite kind of dlc usually includes something ridiculous and completely out of place. and to be honest, skarlet and kenshi being added really hasnt expanded the mythology all that much. if rain and the mystery character are handled the same way, you can bet they wont add much either. so if NRS isnt going to put in some real effort, they might as well focus on shits and giggles content.

Oh this will be rich, do tell.

Sure there is. They can sell. The casual fanbase has no idea who Li Mei or Darrius or Mavado are. They aren't going to give them a second glance unless NRS manages to put together an absolutely amazing trailer for them.
However, practically everyone knows who Freddy and Jason are, and there are plenty of people who don't even own the game yet that would go out and buy it just to get them. No remaining MK character has that level of profitability.

Depending on how WB handles right distribution between the companies they own, Freddy & Jason would make them much more money than any MK character they can add. And in my opinion they fit the setting far better than Kratos does. If an early MK game had introduced an undead serial killer or a dream monster, nobody would have batted an eye at their inclusion. However, a guy who kills the Greek Pantheon (which I don't believe have ever been mentioned in MK) and has to travel here from a realm that has never existed in lore nor will it ever exist again doesn't exactly fit as well.

Additionally, characters (and thus their associated playstyle/moveset) get left out of sequels in virtually every fighting game in existance (except Dead or Alive). So sure, Kratos/Freddy/Jason probably won't be in the next MK game. But neither will several actual MK characters who were in this one. It sucks, but it's nothing new and no reason to single out a character.
Especially since there's likely only time for one more sequel this generation, and then the next game would be on the next-gen systems meaning they'd very likely have to start from scratch and it may not even play anything like this one anyways.

Not to say that Freddy and Jason are definitely coming or anything, but I can definitely see the reasoning behind their inclusion (ie. MONEY).

I love this post.

And, assuming I still even keep my copy of MK if they announce Freddy and/or Jason, I will not be downloading the compatibility pack, even if Lady in Purple is the free bonus.

Freddy and Jason in MK?
Sounds just as stupid as replying to an old thread.