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Darkhound74
06/16/2011 10:56 PM (UTC)
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ProfesserAhnka Wrote:
Darkhound74 Wrote:
ProfesserAhnka Wrote:
For those of you who want Reptile to remain the only saurian-

I would agree if him being the sole survivor of his race was this amazing story that was really working for him but...it hasn't gone anywhere. O_o

He's just Shao Kahn's minion. I find him being a minion for 19 years straight to be more "boring" than hooking up with Khammy.

That's why I'm personally for Khameleon being brought in because maybe she'll help dust the cobwebs off of Reptile's story and for once make him interesting.

But that's just me.


I agree with this because both Baraka and Reptile have been Shoa Kahn's bitches for FAR too long......If they don't spread out and do their own thing then they are just useless in my opinion.


Not too long ago I got into an argument with a Reptile fan who was OK with his favorite character playing bitchboy and I couldn't for the life of me understand why. We all want our characters to grow and develop, I don't think anyone want their favs to stay in the exact same position they were in 19 years ago-but obviously he did.

Smh, MK fans are odd.

But yeah, Reptile and Baraka, despite their "superstar" status, are really starting to become useless. Rain, Sareena, Kham ect all have excuses as to why their stories haven't reached their full potential, but what is Reptile's and Baraka's?


Hell they should just introduce Khameleon and for the love of god give Reptile something to fucking live for......hell I'm not suprised he hasn't pulled the trigger on himself.

As for Baraka he's the fucking leader of the Tarakatan HORDE; you don't call a group of nomads a horde for being small in numbers. He needs to wake up and realize he's the damn backbone of Kahn's extermination squads, if he were to take his army elsewhere he would be a massive threat to the emperor.
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RedSumac
06/16/2011 11:21 PM (UTC)
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Khameleon is one of my favorite characters in MK so I naturally want her to return. I believe NRS could easily make DLC character with gameplay based on her appearance in MKT. They are able to load several movesets at once and, as Challenge Tower proofs, it's possible to switch movesets on the fly at least every 5 seconds. They already got model for her (feamle retro ninja costume), so there should not be any problems with her return.
Besides she has a good story, that possibly could make Reptile much more interesting character, than he ever was.

Of course I'd prefer her return as her own characters, with her own moves, or att least with moves taken from other female ninjas, but with "reptile" spin to them. Like having some acid added to fan throw or something like that. I hope if she made it in MK9 in any capacity as playable character and if there be enough demand for her return in MK10, then we still could get a revamped Khameleon as her own character.

As for Chameleon...there is so much things need to be done with him, that it basically would be like creating new character. At least he certainly needs his own story, because as of now he is just a copypaste blank state.

In the end I am not against his return, but only after Khameleon takes her place in the roster. Khameleon's return is more important for me and she has enough potential to be shaped in the awesome character. Especially with newfound NRS ability to make each character stand out of the crowd.
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Raindrops1198
06/17/2011 06:36 AM (UTC)
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i think if chameleon is a saurian than his story should involve him betraying his race or something along those lines
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Gillbob316
06/17/2011 07:46 AM (UTC)
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I say turn Reptile into a good guy and do like... an Othello love triangle thing with them. Where Khameleon is the girl, Chameleon is the evil love interest, & Reptile is the good love interest. This is how I see it...

The other two surface. Lets say Chameleon and Khameleon have been together all along. They know what Kahn did to their race. Maybe they're a couple, but only when their story starts.

Reptile leaves Kahn when he finds out HE was responsible for killing off his race, and he was lied too. The fans get behind Reptile as he strikes out on his own (they would anyway, because we've all known/liked him for years). I wouldn't put him with the Earth warriors just yet... maybe in a few games... but for now lets say they don't trust him, and won't let him into their good guy club just yet... he's kind of a lone wolf for the moment. Struggling.

Chameleon is the dick Saurian who replaces Reptile in Kahn's army. Kahn likes his dick spirit, and treats him better than he ever did Reptile. Gives him everything Reptile never had. Kindof the same vibe he gives Mileena as opposed to Kitana. This gives Chameleon a reason to think Kahn is great and serve him without question, while also giving Reptile a reason to hate Chameleon. Chameleon knows what Kahn did to his race, but doesn't care because he's living the good life.

Meanwhile Khameleon is caught in the middle... she's smarter than Chameleon. She knows Kahn is evil, and can't forgive him for what he did to their people, but she reluctantly stays at Chameleon's side at first. But she doesn't like it, so she's stuck... does she stick the only man of her species she's ever known, on his path to the dark side... or does she abandon him and take up with this new saurian she just met (Reptile) out on his own.

Chameleon still gets to work for Kahn, so the very little backstory he has still works. Khameleon and Chameleon get some new backstory ties to one another. Reptile finally breaks out of his henchman role, which everyone wants. Khameleon helps redeem Reptile a little, and probably renews his spirit later in the story. Perhaps helps him get his foot in with the Earth warriors later. Reptile in turn helps save Khameleon a little, since being without Chameleon is a new way of life for her. They find comfort in eachother. Reptile gets a chick. Reptile gets a new arch-rival in Chameleon. Kahn still has a Raptor in his employ...

Considering I just pulled this out of my butt on the fly, I don't think it's half bad. :P
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06/17/2011 01:28 PM (UTC)
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Gillbob316 Wrote:
I say turn Reptile into a good guy and do like... an Othello love triangle thing with them. Where Khameleon is the girl, Chameleon is the evil love interest, & Reptile is the good love interest. This is how I see it...

The other two surface. Lets say Chameleon and Khameleon have been together all along. They know what Kahn did to their race. Maybe they're a couple, but only when their story starts.

Reptile leaves Kahn when he finds out HE was responsible for killing off his race, and he was lied too. The fans get behind Reptile as he strikes out on his own (they would anyway, because we've all known/liked him for years). I wouldn't put him with the Earth warriors just yet... maybe in a few games... but for now lets say they don't trust him, and won't let him into their good guy club just yet... he's kind of a lone wolf for the moment. Struggling.

Chameleon is the dick Saurian who replaces Reptile in Kahn's army. Kahn likes his dick spirit, and treats him better than he ever did Reptile. Gives him everything Reptile never had. Kindof the same vibe he gives Mileena as opposed to Kitana. This gives Chameleon a reason to think Kahn is great and serve him without question, while also giving Reptile a reason to hate Chameleon. Chameleon knows what Kahn did to his race, but doesn't care because he's living the good life.

Meanwhile Khameleon is caught in the middle... she's smarter than Chameleon. She knows Kahn is evil, and can't forgive him for what he did to their people, but she reluctantly stays at Chameleon's side at first. But she doesn't like it, so she's stuck... does she stick the only man of her species she's ever known, on his path to the dark side... or does she abandon him and take up with this new saurian she just met (Reptile) out on his own.

Chameleon still gets to work for Kahn, so the very little backstory he has still works. Khameleon and Chameleon get some new backstory ties to one another. Reptile finally breaks out of his henchman role, which everyone wants. Khameleon helps redeem Reptile a little, and probably renews his spirit later in the story. Perhaps helps him get his foot in with the Earth warriors later. Reptile in turn helps save Khameleon a little, since being without Chameleon is a new way of life for her. They find comfort in eachother. Reptile gets a chick. Reptile gets a new arch-rival in Chameleon. Kahn still has a Raptor in his employ...

Considering I just pulled this out of my butt on the fly, I don't think it's half bad. :P


Not bad at all. Better than anything either of those characters got going at the moment.
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Spider804
06/17/2011 04:50 PM (UTC)
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That is definitely a good idea.
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superbn0va
06/17/2011 05:00 PM (UTC)
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ninjas are always welcome if it was up to me. the ninjas are the best and most played characters in MK anyway.
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Espio872
06/17/2011 05:04 PM (UTC)
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I'll take both of them back Khameleon could become more Saurian like many have mentioned and expand upon her story, give Reptile a place to move towards instead of stagnating and Chameleon could keep his mimicking ability while still getting a story, other games having mimicking or characters that use other people abilities like Soul Calibur's Charde, Tekken's Mokujin, Street Fighter's Seth, etc.



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That is definitely a good idea.

Agreed, very nicely done Gillbob.
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06/17/2011 07:06 PM (UTC)
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Secondly, what I don't get, is why turn them into Reptile's species? Reptile should be the only creature from that realm and ONLY be the creature from that realm, these two shouldn't have some sort of connection with Reptile whatsoever. It's just unflattering to know that "Hey, Reptile ain't the last one! He could be Khameleon's lover!" Boring.

Because without the theoretical opportunity to repopulate the Raptor species that Khameleon brings to the table,Reptile's got NOTHING. He used to be one of my favorites in the series,and he still kind of is,but let's face it - when NRS themselves refuse to see him as anything more than a butt monkey,he's got absolutely nothing going for his story except his status as a perma-bitch.

PASTA INCOMING:
Let's say he gets together with Khameleon. Let's say the presence of the last Raptor matriarch makes him snap out of his pants-on head retarded mode. They decide to seclude themselves deep within the Living Forest,where Khameleon lays the first batch of Raptor eggs the world has seen in millenia. Kahn finds out about the treachery,gets ripshit pissed off and sends the Tarkatan horde (who else?) to track Reptile down and kill him.

For the first time in his fucking miserable life,Reptile actually has something tangible to stand up for instead of Kahn's empty promises. For the first time in his life,he fights for himself. After giving birth to so many eggs,Khameleon is exhausted and vulnerable. The future of the saurian race rests entirely on Reptile's shoulders. He takes on the Tarkatans and kills a fuckload of them,Cryomancer Sub-style,but despite the homefield advantage,he's gravely wounded and dies. The remnants of the decimated Tarkatan forces fall prey to the forest itself.

Thanks to his sacrifice,Khameleon survives. So do the hatchlings. The saurians slowly start to repopulate.

Reptile is forever remembered in their new tribal legends as a great hero.

A bit corny,I know,but a potentially satisfying wrap-up of his character arc.

Then,you can just have a small tribe of Raptors camping out right there in the Living Forest,making the MK universe a richer,more diverse place. That's never a bad thing.

Who knows,maybe eventually a new Mortal Kombat warrior will come from that tribe. Someone like that,for instance.
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06/17/2011 09:43 PM (UTC)
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I wouldn't want either one of them to be Saurians if they came back.

NRS needs to do something with Reptile's plotline of being the last Saurian before they go all "Oh guess what guys, he's not the last and now he has a girlfriend!"

Khameleon can take the "created by Shang Tsung" plot some people mentioned earlier in the thread so she can be a Saurian/Edenian hybrid (we already know Shang Tsung was experimenting with crossing Kitana's genes with tarkatans, so what's to stop him from trying crossing her genes with other species he has on hand as well?). To kill the shipper nonsense, I would have Reptile view her as an abomination that he wants nothing to do with, but her existence shows to him that perhaps science & sorcery can eventually bring about the return of his race (because even if you did have a full blooded male and female Saurian, one pair isn't going to repopulate an entire race anyways).

For Chameleon, there's no need for him to be anything related to the Saurians at all. They never said he was in the first place. If he must come back, just combine him with Shujinko and let "Chameleon" be his codename for when he was a member of the Lin Kuei. Maybe combining two mediocre characters can produce a decent character.
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Dragonkeeper1982
06/17/2011 10:13 PM (UTC)
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I loved playing as both of them, they were a CHALLENGE to master and make you think fast.

I hope the have a chameleon pack: Chameleon, Khameleon, and Cyber-Chameleon - uses Cyrax, Sektor, Cyber-Smoke, Cyber-Sub Zero, and Cyber-Reptile.
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06/17/2011 11:52 PM (UTC)
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GotOverThere Wrote:

For Chameleon, there's no need for him to be anything related to the Saurians at all. They never said he was in the first place. If he must come back, just combine him with Shujinko and let "Chameleon" be his codename for when he was a member of the Lin Kuei. Maybe combining two mediocre characters can produce a decent character.

Ha!

Awesome.
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06/18/2011 12:00 AM (UTC)
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T-rex Wrote:
GotOverThere Wrote:

For Chameleon, there's no need for him to be anything related to the Saurians at all. They never said he was in the first place. If he must come back, just combine him with Shujinko and let "Chameleon" be his codename for when he was a member of the Lin Kuei. Maybe combining two mediocre characters can produce a decent character.

Ha!

Awesome.

Indeed, this would be acceptable IMO.
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06/18/2011 12:38 AM (UTC)
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Spider804 Wrote:
T-rex Wrote:
GotOverThere Wrote:

For Chameleon, there's no need for him to be anything related to the Saurians at all. They never said he was in the first place. If he must come back, just combine him with Shujinko and let "Chameleon" be his codename for when he was a member of the Lin Kuei. Maybe combining two mediocre characters can produce a decent character.

Ha!

Awesome.

Indeed, this would be acceptable IMO.


Combine Chameleon with that pathetic old sap? No thanks.
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06/18/2011 12:55 AM (UTC)
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I LOVE Gillbob316's story. Reptile needs to be Lone Wolf over serving Shao Kahn, it'd just be better for him (though I still prefer his human green ninja look) as a Reptile fan, it'd be so much better with Gillbob316's story. tongue
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Spider804
06/18/2011 03:25 AM (UTC)
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I'm not suggesting they combine Chameleon and Shujinko, just that it's an idea I'm open to.
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06/18/2011 04:02 AM (UTC)
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*Imagines Shujinko with transparent skin*

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06/18/2011 04:07 AM (UTC)
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ProfesserAhnka Wrote:
*Imagines Shujinko with transparent skin*


Sooooo....Hows that working out for you? tongue
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06/18/2011 02:25 PM (UTC)
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daryui Wrote:
Combine Chameleon with that pathetic old sap? No thanks.

lol,you're saying that like Chameleon's inherent awesomeness would be irredeemably defiled by making him related to some shitty character like Shujinko.

See,it's funny,because
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it's exactly the opposite.
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06/18/2011 04:06 PM (UTC)
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Yes and yes.
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06/18/2011 05:00 PM (UTC)
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Spider804 Wrote:
ProfesserAhnka Wrote:
*Imagines Shujinko with transparent skin*


Sooooo....Hows that working out for you? tongue


Not very well.

If Cham had to be merged with another character then why not Dairu?

Why Dairu?

I have no idea, all I know is a transparent Dairu couldn't be any worse than what we already got. Seriously, Dairu could be interesting but he is seriously the single most forgettable character in the series.
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Spider804
06/18/2011 08:42 PM (UTC)
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And roflcopter. tongue
Sure, Kenshi comes along and pushes out all the other kharacters that names start with 'k'.
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TheBigMistake
06/29/2011 11:55 AM (UTC)
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I think they could both play a massive part storywise. I really think Shang Tsung and these two got a little threes company going on...makes sense.
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mblaney
06/29/2011 12:24 PM (UTC)
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I'd love to see Chameleon return. Since there's such little detail about his story, he has a lot of potential. I really don't care either way about Khameleon. I have nothing against her, I just don't find her story very interesting. Though I guess they could fix her. But her just wanting to be Reptile's baby mama just isn't very creative. I would kind of like to see the two them be working together somehow. I always thought they could easily be brother and sister.
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