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06/10/2011 11:04 PM (UTC)
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Really? Kung Lao's primary is pretty bland to me.

I wouldn't say the males of this game all have great and well thought designs, but I wouldn't say all the females have that either.

Love the design to Sindel's secondary though.


I don't really mind Skarlet's outfit mostly because I could believe a character who specializes in absorbing the blood of her foes wouldn't want to wear that much clothing. If she dos absorb it through her skin, chances are that showing some skin would be a good thing. Kitana, Sonya, and Jade's outfits all make less sense to me.


Yes, all the males don't all have great costumes, I'm not saying that, I was comparing everyone together.

It's all a matter of opinion, but I just think Kung Lao's costume was done much better than say Mileena's primary.


Sindel is an exception, I actually like her main and her alternate is okay too.

Skarlet not wearing much does at least have some logic(based on the other female designs I suspect it wouldn't matter) although, that's not my issue with Skarlet's main design, it just looks very odd to me. the loin cloth and the armor and top all just don't look right to me.


I won't derail the thread with anymore of my ranting, I was just answering that one person's question.


My apologies for going off on a tangent.


Skarlet's alternate looks nice thoughsmile
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06/10/2011 11:50 PM (UTC)
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Insider2000 Wrote:
Really? Kung Lao's primary is pretty bland to me.

I wouldn't say the males of this game all have great and well thought designs, but I wouldn't say all the females have that either.

It might not have been a high point for some of the characters, but it's nigh impossible to convincingly claim the male characters aren't infinitely better designed than the women. Characters like Kung Lao, or Stryker, don't need to be draped in velvet and gold to have a good costume. They reference the established design and history of their character and deliver accordingly.

As opposed to the female characters, whose primary philosophy seems to boil down to cup size and colour of fabric samples used to piece together an "outfit". It doesn't take much to top the women. A salmon shirt and tasteful grey slacks would be 300% by that measure.
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06/11/2011 12:24 AM (UTC)
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I will say this, Scarlet certainly has two weird yet surprisingly interesting fatalites.

I don't really like her primary as much as I do with her secondary... Her mask in the primary seems out of place for me and it's a distraction. It just really don't look right.

Her moves, meh, I gotta see them for my own experience to see what they're like. I don't really like judging this character from all of the random videos that's been popping up. But I still think she's going to be one of those characters that seems like fun for the first few plays, and then she'll be slide off to the side. But that's just my interpretation and I don't mean that in a negative manner.

Though, I'm kind of tired of people bringing up Nitara and such... We get it she was a character that needed to be improved on in some people's views, in others though she was a really great character. Hints of her returning any time soon? Possibly, but not right now. Let it be.

Lastly, 30 Seconds to Mars' Hurricane song is stuck in my head and I really, really, REALLY wish it would stop replaying in my head.
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06/11/2011 01:42 AM (UTC)
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great... another half naked female fighter lol. I like her moves, I like her concept. I'm just not diggin her appearance.


At least she has a viable reason for being nearly naked. When her opponents blood makes contact with her skin the stronger she becomes. Its makes sense she would want to take as much advantage of that by wearing as little as possible.
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06/11/2011 05:09 AM (UTC)
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So they just said "fuck it" and made her Girlmac.

Fine, that's fine. Better than Classic Sub-Zero or Chameleon, at least.

I just wish that when they'd make a new character, they'd try to give 'em as much development in their first appearance as is necessary to be the equal of all the other 15 year old characters in the game have gotten after being around that long. That's why the characters in DA and Deception didn't grow on anyone. It wasn't that they were actually bad, it was that they looked bad in comparison to older characters who have just had more development by being around longer. It's not really a fair fight, y'know what I mean?


Going to disagree with you. I think the problem with post MK3 characters is not that they haven't had build up over 3 or 4 games like the old cast. Characters like Kenshi who's built a good base in MKDA. I think the problem with most of the post MK3 characters is just from a core design perspective, whether that be implimentation or design, they made some bad decisions and we got really bad characters as a result.
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06/11/2011 11:42 AM (UTC)
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gameplay wise, im finding it difficult to distinguish skarlett from any other characters. a LOT of borrowed moves here. but her fatalities are awesome.
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06/11/2011 01:13 PM (UTC)
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Is anyone else having trouble accessing themortalkombat.com , at the "age gate"?The year list won't show up.
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06/11/2011 01:44 PM (UTC)
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Chrome do you even own a copy of the game? Have you even played it?


Of which I have listed and are games, I have them burned.

Of MK9, no. Why would I, gameplay isn't necessary to see what a character is about conceptually. I do not need to play Sub-Zero to know he is an ice person if that is what you are getting at. And infact I did get to play it shortly in the neighbourhood recently.

Was it really necessary to dilute the roster with a red female ninja? Or they deliberately made her so so that they can skip Nitara. In which case leaving the post-MK4 out mostly.... well, pandering to the masses NRS, I guess.






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06/11/2011 02:43 PM (UTC)
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Skarlet is unoriginal. Highly inspired by Ermac; a collection of (instead of souls) flesh and bones, a red rumor character from the 2d days with simple motifs and storylines. Gladly, Ermac obtained more of a plot when we found out King Jerrod was inside him.

It makes one think; does Skarlet have a soul? If so, whose? Then again, why does Ermac have a body and does it belong to Jerrod perhaps? It's a well-clad, mummified body that could have been resurrected from the crypts of Edenia as with Liu Kang in the old storyline.

Skarlet reminds me of Meat as well: a blood possessor created by sorcery wielding a pair of knives beginning as a rumor/joke character with no proper storyline.

She is just an addition to the vast group of ninjas (in terms of MK), as if we needed one. She belongs to the original trio of female ninjas a bit better than Khameleon for having weapons of her own. But do they have to be daggers? They resemble Mileena's sais too much, as if Skarlet didn't already resemble Mileena (lethal creations of Shao Kahn, Mileena's color: a tint of red). Chakrams (see: Xena) would have fitted for her seeing how no one has never wielded them in the series.

The formula of Skarlet is foolproof: a sexy and deadly ninja woman + inspired by Ermac + inspired by Meat + associations with Shao Kahn and the dark forces + entry primed with cameos and online hype + joins the old palette-swap house = sales! I saw a potential with Skarlet - I even drew her two years ago (drawing to be published) - but seeing how NRS went the easy way around with her, it's dissappointing. I will buy her, just to support Mortal Kombat, but the motifs of NRS with DLC makes one think if you are just being defrauded.
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06/11/2011 03:19 PM (UTC)
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NRS always goes the obvious route.

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06/11/2011 03:22 PM (UTC)
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Chrome Wrote:
Fenix Wrote:
Chrome do you even own a copy of the game? Have you even played it?


Of which I have listed and are games, I have them burned.

Of MK9, no. Why would I, gameplay isn't necessary to see what a character is about conceptually. I do not need to play Sub-Zero to know he is an ice person if that is what you are getting at. And infact I did get to play it shortly in the neighbourhood recently.

Was it really necessary to dilute the roster with a red female ninja? Or they deliberately made her so so that they can skip Nitara. In which case leaving the post-MK4 out mostly.... well, pandering to the masses NRS, I guess.


XD
You judge a game and its characters without even having played the game?
Sorry, Chrome, but I can't take you seriously then. That's like saying you don't like chocolate when you have never tasted it.
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06/11/2011 03:55 PM (UTC)
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XD
You judge a game and its characters without even having played the game?
Sorry, Chrome, but I can't take you seriously then. That's like saying you don't like chocolate when you have never tasted it.


And apparently you post without reading...?
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06/11/2011 04:16 PM (UTC)
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Ninja_Mime Wrote:
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
XD
You judge a game and its characters without even having played the game?
Sorry, Chrome, but I can't take you seriously then. That's like saying you don't like chocolate when you have never tasted it.


And apparently you post without reading...?


I always read through a post before responding to it. What is your point?
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06/11/2011 04:51 PM (UTC)
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
Ninja_Mime Wrote:
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
XD
You judge a game and its characters without even having played the game?
Sorry, Chrome, but I can't take you seriously then. That's like saying you don't like chocolate when you have never tasted it.


And apparently you post without reading...?


I always read through a post before responding to it. What is your point?

Chrome has played the game.
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06/11/2011 05:35 PM (UTC)
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
Chrome Wrote:
Fenix Wrote:
Chrome do you even own a copy of the game? Have you even played it?


Of which I have listed and are games, I have them burned.

Of MK9, no. Why would I, gameplay isn't necessary to see what a character is about conceptually. I do not need to play Sub-Zero to know he is an ice person if that is what you are getting at. And infact I did get to play it shortly in the neighbourhood recently.

Was it really necessary to dilute the roster with a red female ninja? Or they deliberately made her so so that they can skip Nitara. In which case leaving the post-MK4 out mostly.... well, pandering to the masses NRS, I guess.


XD
You judge a game and its characters without even having played the game?
Sorry, Chrome, but I can't take you seriously then. That's like saying you don't like chocolate when you have never tasted it.


Allergic to chocolate. Would not know.

Gameplay has no bearings on how character design works. Mostly not, definitely not the case with MK. her F+3 has no bearing wether Skarlet is a ripoff of -ahm- Blood Golems or not.

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06/12/2011 12:32 PM (UTC)
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My only real gripe with Skarlett is the same gripe I have regarding Cyber Sub-Zero...

I would much prefer to have the characters from the MK-MK3 era who are absent to be included before NRS go adding new characters to the roster. The absence of Rain in particular really annoys me.

Skarlett on her own merits sounds cool and I will give her a real chance. Yes she has a lot of similar themes and concepts with other characters like Nitara and Ermac but 2011, lets face it... not much is original anymore... but she's a Mortal Kombat character none-the-less and she now has a part in the warrior shrine...
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06/12/2011 02:13 PM (UTC)
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Chrome Wrote:
Fenix Wrote:
Chrome do you even own a copy of the game? Have you even played it?


Of which I have listed and are games, I have them burned.

Of MK9, no. Why would I, gameplay isn't necessary to see what a character is about conceptually. I do not need to play Sub-Zero to know he is an ice person if that is what you are getting at. And infact I did get to play it shortly in the neighbourhood recently.

Was it really necessary to dilute the roster with a red female ninja? Or they deliberately made her so so that they can skip Nitara. In which case leaving the post-MK4 out mostly.... well, pandering to the masses NRS, I guess.


Skarlet's inclusion is a reference to an ancient rumor. Her role in the game is the same as many other choices that have "insulted the honor" of mk's old guard like Shang's fatality, playable bosses, and quan chi's tattoos.

That was not really my point, though. My issue is, you seem impressed with neither the gameplay, game design, character design, story or in fact, any facet of the game. Yet still you follow it, posting as though each revelation is some grand disappointment.

I wonder if in fact you ever really did enjoy the game. In this reply in particular, you lament everything post mk4. But in fact, the majority of MK1-3 was borrowed almost directly from ancient asian cinema.

I guess my question is what began its current entropic slide? When was the series so inspired that now its a wasteland of cliche?
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06/12/2011 04:24 PM (UTC)
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Playing the game for a bit at some friend's house is not PLAYING the game. That's like licking the chocolate, not eating it. And Chrome, it's called an analogy, you can replace the word chocolate to something you aren't allergic to if you wish...
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06/12/2011 04:45 PM (UTC)
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Human-Smoke-4-ever Wrote:
DigitalAssassin Wrote:
great... another half naked female fighter lol. I like her moves, I like her concept. I'm just not diggin her appearance.


At least she has a viable reason for being nearly naked. When her opponents blood makes contact with her skin the stronger she becomes. Its makes sense she would want to take as much advantage of that by wearing as little as possible.


But then why her alternate is one of the least revealing of them all? She even got pants! (only Sonya dares to wear pants apart of her). I don't think that the reason of her primary being just a bikini (and a scarf, wtf? bikini + scarf? how is outworld weather O.O?) is that because her second costume contradicts the theory.
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06/12/2011 11:53 PM (UTC)
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Okay, seriously. What does Nitara actually do besides have wings?


Nitara is freaking glorious.

Period.



I think NITARA is a BEAST and definitely one of my favs but she has haters. SKARLET seems pretty cool and cant wait to play as her.
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06/13/2011 12:08 AM (UTC)
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Is anyone else having trouble accessing themortalkombat.com , at the "age gate"?The year list won't show up.




I thought I was the only one
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06/13/2011 02:31 AM (UTC)
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This bitch needs to a release date announced. I'm all for spreading out the DLC but gives us a fucking date to hold us over. I mean we're only getting another update two weeks after E3.
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06/13/2011 02:35 AM (UTC)
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Amen. Official Mortal Kombat twitter confirmed that she will be available before the end of month, so that has somewhat calmed me down as far as an expected timeframe for her release.
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06/13/2011 04:54 AM (UTC)
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I think that we should start a new fan rumor and see if that makes a DLC character. Like Ermac / Blaze / Skarlet.

Like... once upon a time, playing MK3 there was a reptilian Sheeva.
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06/13/2011 07:50 AM (UTC)
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Playing the game for a bit at some friend's house is not PLAYING the game.


I would like a detailed explanation of how doing something is the same as not doing it.
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