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06/10/2011 01:21 AM (UTC)
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Why is it so difficult for WB to announce a release date for her? Just saying a couple weeks does not cut it. They should have set release dates for both Skarlet and Kenshi.


Because they don't know. Even if Skarlet is 100% done, there is no guarantee she has been fully qa'd and tested at NRS, nor how long its going to take MS / Sony to give their approvals and post her.

Remember the patch that was supposed to happen this week? It was done enough to have notes posted all over the internet, but guess what, it got pulled. Which means somebody along the line did not sign off on it. So now they retool it and then resubmit it.

Trust me, nobody gains anything by being secretive about release dates.
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06/10/2011 01:29 AM (UTC)
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^LOL why are you so mad though?


Uh, I'm not?

First of all, Kira was basically the offspring of Kano and Sonya. Character wise she was the non-cyromancer version of Frost. Nitara, was basically a non-entity.


I already mentioned Kira's lack of decent gameplay, and mentioned that it would take 5 minutes to solve. She's nothing like Frost. Nitara and Kira had potential. Skarlet's bio already has her as another Ermac. The tragic villain under control of another has already been used multiple times. Skarlet has nowhere to go. Kira's and Nitara's bios can be greatly elaborated upon.


BTW, if you have such a problem with big boobs I suggest you stop playing Mortal Kombat or any fighting/action-adventure game. However, in terms of MK, you actually think the following females won't have big breasts? Have you seen Sonya, doll?


I don't have a problem with big boobs. What makes you think I do? Doesn't this throwaway/afterthought comment clearly imply that it's sad that Skarlet will be popular JUST because it's another set of boobs? If it didn't, it does now. So you can take that comment back. I'm not a doll.


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So hold on, let me get this straight.

She's just another babe with big boobs? Correct?
And in this case, you mean to suggest that's a bad thing, yes?

Well then why do you have the franchise's most well known ambassador of Tits and Ass as your avatar photo? Who is also, may I add, another one of those cursed female ninjas.confused

Do I need to remind you what Mileena's Flesh Pit's outfit looks like? Or does Skarlet still come across as being another big boobed waste of a character slot?


Again, you picked a throwaway/afterthought comment made by me to elaborate upon. See above to (Hopefully) understand what my "Problem" really is.

Also, I like Mileena's character development (Prior to the embarrassing abomination of this game) and her gameplay. Unlike the other females, Mileena actually has a reason to flaunt her sexuality.
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06/10/2011 01:39 AM (UTC)
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Confirmed: Nitara better in every way.


Denied due to the fact that vampiress was unoriginal and beige. Though I did love her humour and her KISS alternate.


Skarlett original? Let's see made out of the blood of Shao Kahns enemies. Isn't there a guy whose made out of their souls? Also red? A minion of Shao Kahn most loyal what a gal. Hey isn't reptile too?

Nitara got a bad rap because she was in D.A. Bad gameplay and such. I'm pretty sure IF they would reintroduce her with a good moveset people will shit their pants.

Look at stryker had a few fans (honorable mention: MINION) A lot of people hated him came out in MK9. I'm pretty sure his fanbase is huge now.

But not many people will give her chance based on a past game.
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06/10/2011 02:05 AM (UTC)
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I actually think Mileena has less of a reason to dress provocatively in this game than she had before. In the past, she was envious of Kitana's beauty and status and wanted to soil Kitana's image and destroy everything she stood for. The princess was noble and dignified, while Mileena was raunchy, sexual and brutal. One could argue she wore more revealing outfits in the 3d era due to the fact she was compensating for having such nasty teeth. But that was in the old timeline.

In the new one, she barely even knows anything about Kitana, bar from her having the idea since birth that they are sisters. She arbours no significant hate towards her in the Story Mode or in her bio, and there's no resentment there or hopes for character assassination on Mileena's behalf. She displays no jealousy, no insecurities, or no shame in flaunting her tarkatan features because she actually shows Stryker her teeth for no valid reason at all. She just dresses like a Stripper for the fun of it it seems, as opposed to her being the anti-Kitana and wanting to taint the princess's image through her own image and actions. All of that included with the fact she's been given her new childlike personality, she's got far less of a reason to be provocative as children (Mileena being a newborn) don't know what seduction or sex appeal is. Her behaviour and style choices in this game makes no sense.

In regards to Skarlet, she has a reason to dress skimply. Her powers are enhanced when blood touches off her skin, so as a result, she exposes a lot of it in combat as it may possibly give her an advantage.

Yes, she has big boobs. Sad to say it's a given in Mortal Kombat where women have unrealistic bodies and are capable of fighting in high heels and shooting fireballs.

And yes, that blood power arguement is probably just NRS's way of going "hur hur we have an excuse to put a woman in impractical but sexy clothing". But at least there is an explanation for her outfit. Her origins might not be very original, but to dismiss her for that would be ludicrous. You have to give a character time to grow in order to get to like them, and so far she hasn't had that time.
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06/10/2011 02:07 AM (UTC)
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LucaTurilli Wrote:
Nitara had a fuckload of potential regarding her moveset and gameplay, but they couldn't have done a worse job on her in this regard. She spits blood? How fucking lame. She's a vampire with wings. Have her fly, have her suck blood to regain health.

There are a grip of 3D era characters that had a lot of potential for their gameplay, but not a SINGLE one had anything close to an interesting, or cool moveset. Kenshi is a fucking samurai with telekinesis, and what do they do? They give him a move where he nudges his opponent with his power. That's real fucking cool. I'd totally take mental shove over telekinetic samurai blade wheel of fucking awesomeness.

Skarlet looks cool, ignoring the obvious menstruation jokes. I hope they don't fuck her up like they did Nitara, and that her gameplay has unique and interesting elements to it.


The major gripe most people have is that everything about Skarlet could have been rolled into a revamped Nitara. Fix the old characters before introducing new ones.


Nitara has waaaay more going on for her than just blood projectiles. There's a lot of cool stuff they could do with her. I have high hopes though. Since they seem to be making a conscious effort to create interesting and creative specials and styles.

If we see Nitara, I'd really like to see her fight furiously. Like slashing her claws (give her some), using her wings to pick people up and slam them on the ground. There's all sorts of stuff they can give her that would make her better than her previous incarnations and different from Skarlet.
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06/10/2011 02:08 AM (UTC)
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not original? How many blood borne female assassins are there in fighting games?
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06/10/2011 03:11 AM (UTC)
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Wow, so let me get this straight ....

Shao Khan created her to be his top assassin ........... and then proceeds to chain her up in the colosseum ?

That makes a ton of sense.
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06/10/2011 03:20 AM (UTC)
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jpetrunak Wrote:
Wow, so let me get this straight ....

Shao Khan created her to be his top assassin ........... and then proceeds to chain her up in the colosseum ?

That makes a ton of sense.


She's still his whore.
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06/10/2011 03:40 AM (UTC)
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When it comes to originality, Skarlet has some things going on for her and some things that are rather unoriginal.

Her role in MK is rather unoriginal. As mentioned by many other people in splendid coloured ways, she more or less shares storyline with Ermac, and like him, red is the chosen colour for her. And like Nitara, her powers are based on blood, like Sareena, she throws knives, and like Kira, her hair is red... And according to Queve, she has the same hairstyle as Sonya (observation copyrighted to Queve). Her outfit is skimpy, but hell, all the MK girls' outfits are skimpy in this MK.

That was the negative stuff. Notice how it slipped right off me, even without bitching about anything. Take notes, people, some of you might learn something.

... Okay, leaving the arrogance on the shelf as well.

The original things about Skarlet is what is most important about her as well. She is made of blood. Her powers are obtained by the blood of her enemies. Her moves are all based on blood. She's a cutter like no other, baby, and she loves it. She's crazy, she's sadistic, she's sick in the head.

Almost sounds like a rock song from the 80's.
Aaaaanyways, only one other character comes to mind when I think about the way Skarlet utilizes her powers, and that would be Jedah from the Vampire Savior series. If any of you other guys can tell me about a character using blood powers like that in any other fighting game, please tell me. I think blood magic is quite awesome. ^^

Also, I HAVE to say one more time that Skarlet is the only of the MK ninjas who looks like a real ninja the most. I'm not saying that real-life ninjas look exactly like Skarlet does, don't get me wrong, Skarlet still have that MK flare to her like the other MK ninjas, but she resembles a real-life ninja more than any of the others. The only thing about her outfit I find out of place is the loin-cloth... or rather the lack of it. It's just so small, out of place and unnecessary. But her alternate outfit seems to be alot more kunoichi-like, so that's nice.

If Nitara used blood powers the way Skarlet does, then she would really appear like a Jedah/Morrigan rip-off.

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06/10/2011 03:48 AM (UTC)
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Nitara would be 300% better if she was a Jedah / Morrigan rip off.
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06/10/2011 03:55 AM (UTC)
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Fenix Wrote:
Nitara would be 300% better if she was a Jedah / Morrigan rip off.


Why?
It's cool that you make a comment like that, but how about you explain what you mean with it so it doesn't just float out in the water like that? Or else it just sounds like utter bitchiness.

That said, I disagree with that comment. I'd prefer more original ideas for characters than rip-offs. Nitara is more or less original as a character, but as she stands now, she's a bit boring. I like vampires, I like the mythology behind them, and MK has its own take on vampires which I adore... but like with most of the MKDA-MKD characters, it's like the MK team said "Here's an idea! Wouldn't it be cool if..." and then never went past that stage.

They got potential to become great characters, but if they never evolve, then that potential is worth nothing.
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06/10/2011 04:02 AM (UTC)
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It doesn't really need further explanation. The Darkstalkers (any of them) have tons of cool moves, personality, and purpose in the plot (most of them anyway). MKDA era characters are lucky to get purpose in the plot.

Nitara has none of those things. She just has wings and bad teeth.

Edit: To be more verbose; Her plot is the same as Kitana (wah, I wanna be free). Her look is terrible (skimpy outfit, tan, crotch knife, man face) save the wings. Her moves are dumb (a spit projectile and a splits kick). Her weapon is completely irrelevant (like 90% of mkda-a weapons). The only thing she has is "potential" which is meaningless. Everyone has potential. Mokap has potential. A rock with a face painted on it has potential. That doesn't mean we need to pursue every one of those avenues. Not when they have better ideas for new characters.
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06/10/2011 04:36 AM (UTC)
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Skarlet's alternate is actually very nice, should of been her main.
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06/10/2011 05:53 AM (UTC)
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maximus12 Wrote:
5 bucks Quan Chi turns on her own master.


Hmm..
Spoilers: (Highlight to reveal)
Yes, according to her leaked ending, Quan Chi uses her as a tool to murder Shao Kahn and then she gets pissed and goes after him for his deeds. 5 internet dollars to you my good sir.


Yes! I shall spend these sparingly.
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Keep dunking your Kenshi breadsticks into your Skarlet sauce, people! The main course isn't coming for a while, and you never know when it's going to be disappointing.

06/10/2011 06:00 AM (UTC)
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So.....has Skarlet spoken? At all? I mean, I know she screams and yells during her attacks, but I don't think she's ever spoken a word of any language. Not that that's a bad thing, though.
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06/10/2011 07:57 AM (UTC)
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y do people not like the skimpy outfits the females wear i just dont get it.
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06/10/2011 09:48 AM (UTC)
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DirtyDuff09 Wrote:
y do people not like the skimpy outfits the females wear i just dont get it.


Because we are mostly grown men/women who:
1. get laid.
2. are not shallow when it comes to sexuality.
3. understand how utterly stupid skimpy is. To some a guitly pleasure though.
x. looks repulsive as hell.





NRS, congratulations on being truly disappointing. Even when you pander to nostalgia you have such an end result. A blood-made assassin/warrior/combatant? Really?

Now where have I seen those things:
0. almost any modern vampire movie.
1. Blade movie: end result of the metrosexual villain.
2. M.A.G.U.S: jahorr demons and Ultimators.
3. Vampire: the Tzimisce.
4. Vampire Bloodlines: the painting guardian in Santa Monica
5. Diablo 2 and 3 respectively include creatures made of blood.
6. Warhammer Fantasy Battles: Vampire Counts
7. Legacy of Kain series...


List goes on. Silent, morose deadly character is not exactly a rich character archetype...infact, the above only works when they are given ample revelation to why they act as such. But grimdark for the sake of grimdark aside Warhammer never works.

Not to mention this fails as body horror. A warrior with the power to turn into a red puddle is not exactly thrilling.
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06/10/2011 12:09 PM (UTC)
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I can't wait to play with her...........grin
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06/10/2011 03:47 PM (UTC)
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Chrome do you even own a copy of the game? Have you even played it?
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06/10/2011 06:00 PM (UTC)
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DirtyDuff09 Wrote:
y do people not like the skimpy outfits the females wear i just dont get it.


When I see brilliant designs for the male characters with so much intricate and thought out detail and then I see the motif for female characters is thong, bra, high heels, and cleavage it sends a sad message to me and makes me wish the female characters received the level of dignity and respect the male characters receive. It's just a real disappointment for me.


I really hope this turns around for future games, but I'm not optimistic.

As it stands now.
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06/10/2011 06:10 PM (UTC)
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Espio872 Wrote:
brilliant designs for the male characters


Since when?
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06/10/2011 06:14 PM (UTC)
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Ninja_Mime Wrote:
Espio872 Wrote:
brilliant designs for the male characters


Since when?


Ermac's Deception/MK 9 costume. Shang Tsung MK 9 costume, Kung Lao's primary in this game, Sub-zero/Scorpion, etc.

Even if people don't like them, they put so much thought and effort into creating those costumes compared to the female costumes and it shows.

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06/10/2011 06:20 PM (UTC)
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Really? Kung Lao's primary is pretty bland to me.

I wouldn't say the males of this game all have great and well thought designs, but I wouldn't say all the females have that either.

Love the design to Sindel's secondary though.


I don't really mind Skarlet's outfit mostly because I could believe a character who specializes in absorbing the blood of her foes wouldn't want to wear that much clothing. If she dos absorb it through her skin, chances are that showing some skin would be a good thing. Kitana, Sonya, and Jade's outfits all make less sense to me.
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06/10/2011 06:33 PM (UTC)
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In my opinion, the only males that have brilliant designs are Liu Kang (primary), Ermac (both), Raiden (alternate), Human Sektor and Cyrax. The rest are a sub par to their MKDA-MKA costumes.

Skarlet is the only female in this game that has a primary and alternate that I like.
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Keep dunking your Kenshi breadsticks into your Skarlet sauce, people! The main course isn't coming for a while, and you never know when it's going to be disappointing.

06/10/2011 06:50 PM (UTC)
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daryui Wrote:
In my opinion, the only males that have brilliant designs are Liu Kang (primary), Ermac (both), Raiden (alternate), Human Sektor and Cyrax. The rest are a sub par to their MKDA-MKA costumes.


*CTRL+F*
*searches for Stryker*

.......The fuck?
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