You can't have a complete rainbow without purlple. Come on nrs announce him already.

You shot yourself in the foot with that point right there: Smoke was in MKD, and Rain wasn't. Do I even need to mention Smoke has been featured in three times as many games as Rain (more if you count MKSM)? That should tell you who has the most fans, and frankly, the most gameplay potential.

And anyway, we've heard Smoke's voice sample. He's in.

So you say that the more games a character has been in, the bigger his fanbase is...

Oh, and I think Regis meant that Smoke appeared in MKD, not Rain.

This.
Rain does not have more potential than smoke.Hell does rain have any enemies allies of the sort possibly in armageddon.But i never saw it in umk3

Great idea, lets turn this into a retarded Rain Vs. Smoke thread.

But for the sake of your thread i'll get on topic.
Rain needs more potential more than the male version of kitana approach.
If they further his story show why he betrayed edenia other than the extermination squads or why he didnt join kitanas resistance in the first place.

Oh, I know. Regis was trying to get across that Smoke's lack of original moves till MKD was a mark in Rain's favor, but by virtue of saying that, he's bringing attention to Rain's biggest flaw: that he didn't even get a spot in MKD. It's like a homeless man making fun of a guest at a business party because the guest didn't have VIP status. Rain couldn't come back until Meat came back... that says something right there.


Kinda. It's not so much about how many games you've been in, but how many times the developers brought the you back.

Agreed. Rain does need a lot more development, I'm not saying he doesn't. But it does irritate the shit out of me when people try to use his lack of development as a reason for him not to be in the game or as an excuse to bash him. It's impossible to count on my hands the amount of MK characters who HAVE been given the opportunities to be in game after game and STILL have yet to reach their full potential and development. Reptile and Baraka still serve the big bad guys all these years later instead of becoming the "big bad guys", Goro went from dying an honorable death in battle against Kahn to turning back into his "bitch" the very next game.

"Development" is a rarity in Mortal Kombat, and when it DOES happen it's erased by the time the next game comes.

Someone should tweet this thread to Boon or the MK Community Manager on Twitter so they can see that there's a want for Rain on the main roster! :D

Just did. Even though it probably won't help shit.

<3 This.

I forget which user suggested it in the past, but for his fatality in this game I'd love to see one where he summons a water orb around the enemy and increases the water preassure, crushing them to death. And it would be cool if like Scorpion, he used his Storm Sword during some of his attacks! ^.^

I think many people are being mislead.

Its already been said the Select Screen is changing both by Shaun Himmerick and by official MK_MortalKombat on twitter.

This throws EVERY opinion and prediction based on select screen space Out The Window.

Dont count him out. Im not. Im actually betting on him making it.

Boon said and I quote "99.9%" of all characters MK1-UMK3 will make it. That literally means only one character will be left out. Im betting it will be Motaro as he may come as DLC so they have time to work on the mechanics better.

never give up hope. worst case scenario (not that im thinking its at all gonna happen), he would be the first on the DLC list.

And what may I ask is so great about Deception? What did that game do other than annihilate every single thing that Deadly Alliance set in place? Deception was a clusterfuck, just like Armageddon was.

Sit down.

Before a fight occurs remember what casselman said the charcter screen could be altered so dont count rain out yet....
be like me have good faith that your charcter should be in
You never know we could have 30 characters in the roster.

Oh lord, here we go.

Half of what MKDA set in place WAS Deception. Y'know, all that Dragon King stuff? They followed through on most of the plotthreads from DA to D, the only ones they dropped or messed up were Mavado and the Red Dragon, and Goro/Kahn's deaths.

People keep saying that, but no one actually can back it up.

For one thing. Deception unearthed the underlying conflict of the realms and the game's true antagonist, The One Being. It not only revealed the relationship between the realms, but for the first time brought those realms into a state of relevance. It was the only game since MK2 that gave Scorpion a new and long deserved storyline. It managed to take individual subplots from previous games and sewed them together into a final resolution... even MORESO than MKA did. Finally, the game utilized the restored Edenia, actually using Jade and Sindel (unlike MK4, where Edenian was the freaking setting of the game and Sindel and friends weren't doing shit).

And saying Deception undid everything MKDA set in place is just incredibly wrong. Ground-breaking levels of wrong. Deadly Alliance was nothing more than a red carpet FOR THE DRAGON KING! Saying Deception is a betrayal of Deadly Alliance make no sense: they're two halves the same story!

But anyway you missed the point: The fact that Smoke was brought into MKD and Rain was not is an indication of Smoke's popularity. Whether you think MKD sucks or not really has nothing to do with anything.
EDIT: I need to learn to type faster than Razor.

Deception was actually awsome. Adding deeper appearance to the realms and adding a few that can become HUGE plot devices.

Aside from Onaga becoming mr.badass and this big ancient prophecy (which is exactly what Deadly alliance set in place ex: Reptiles ending) with the undefeatable army. Deception actually expanded the plot for the most part.

MKDA:
-we knew Shang and Quan had the power to rule and there would ahve to be a showdown
-Raiden gathers forces of good to battle the threat
-Reptiles ending and blaze's inclusion set up the next 2 games although blaze was more less a forced plot device. was still resulting from him even existing in MKDA.

So really (at least from a general first layered perspective as I cant spend an hour digging into plot), all deception did was continue was Deadly alliance set up. Defending from Onaga is almost no DIfferent then defending Earthrealm from Shao Kahn, actually it should almost be easier instead of just a few chosen warriors, you have warriors from allover the realms. But unfortunately the storyline doesnt unfold in such a simple manner.

MKD was just continuity, the only big forshadowing i even seen from Deception to do with MKA is Ermacs Ending.

For the record, I don't think what games Rain has been left out of has anything to do with popularity so the whole "He wasn't in Deception and Smoke was so nyah" thing makes no sense.

I think it's fairly evident the designers just plain don't like Rain very much. They seem to still see him as "that one-ninja-too-many that we only made to finish the rainbow and named after a goofy song."

I'm sure they'll make him as DLC due to the demand for him, but it shouldn't actually surprise anyone if he's not on the main roster.

Can we try get back on topic lads? If the MK team are at all tempted to read this topic I'd rather it was full of ideas for Rain, such as his potential Xray or Fatalities. Cheers!


For his Xray I'd like to see him do Smoke's Nosebreaker Throw from Deception (internally damaging the front of the skull), followed by a kick to the intestines, and as the opponent keels over from it, he teleports behind them through his Mystic Vapours move and delivers an Axe Kick to the spinal cord.

This.
To me mkd was the best 3D game in my opinion due to the fact is picked up right after DA.It will always be one of my favorites because it has the best fatalities to date for example Hotaru's neck breaker was the most disturbing i seen before.

Based off Smoke's bio card, it doesn't seem like they have much more love for Smoke. Beran talks like the only reason he made it back into the series is because of fan cry.

For the sake of topic, Rain still seems like the perfect DLC to me. He's of minor relevance to the story AND he would sell well. It's a win-win. Hell, I'll buy him. It's not like I hate the guy.

No thx. It's a win win for ppl like u who don't really care about him but he deffinitely has his fans (like myself) that want him in the original roster and thus in the story mode...I mean if the retelling of MK1-UMK3 isn't the right time for an undeveloped character like Rain to be polished, what is?

Oh really? I didn't know the Dragon King was foreshadowed in Deadly Alliance!!!! No fucking shit! Any one with sense would know that particular bit wasn't what I was referring too.

I felt like a lot of things were indeed fucked up by Deception, the Mavado and Goro/Kahn stuff is a given, but I felt like Deception took two steps backward. I think the MK team got caught up with trying to bring back "nostalgia" to the point that the game didn't feel like a true sequel to DA. Why give Kung-Lao the shinning moment that DA had set up for him to receive when we could just kill him off and have him go serve the Dragon King and (are you ready for this?) bring back Liu as a Zombie! Awesome huh? Fuck Fujin, let's create a Raiden with red eyes!(For the record, I don't hate Dark Raiden, nor do I think he shouldn't have been in Deception, but I do think Fujin should of been in the game instead of Tanya. They bring back ONE MK4 character and it's Tanya?).

Deception never felt like a proper sequel to me. Out of the 19 DA characters only 7 returned and the rest of the roster was "nostalgic" characters and a bunch of Kira's and Kobra's, lovely. They should of at least had 12 Deadly Alliance characters, 6 Nostalgic, and 6 new. Long story short, I would have liked to see the Deadly Alliance characters fighting this new threat, not a bunch of new losers and a few guys and gals I haven't seen in over ten years.

Anyway, we're way off topic and I know you can preach about the MK storyline until the cows come home, but it won't change my feelings about Deception. So leave it be or pm me if you feel "compelled" to share more. Thanks.

I don't get the impression from that video that they literally have a distaste for Smoke like I do from other characters' videos, and I seem to remember there being concept art for Smoke in the DA Krypt, like they would've put him in the game if they had more time and/or space.

As much as a good candidate as he is for DLC, I'd prefer not to pay for him if I can. In my eyes he deserves just as much a place as Kratos does on the PS3, if not more so, and if Quan Chi can be included in the game at least initially (speculation only from the leaked voices, bear in mind) I can't see why Rain can't take a place on the initial roster too.

I know financially it probably works out better for the team to put him as DLC because so many people will buy him, but I remember how happy a lot of fans were to see him included in Armageddon and I hope the team realise he's a bit of a fan favourite and decide he's worth an original roster space. Make the likes of Sareena, Reiko, Tanya, Kintaro, Motaro, Khameleon or even Skarlett DLC if they need to but so long as Rain's in the intial roster it'll make a lot of fans happy. They could do no wrong in my eyes so long as I get to even see a render of him in the build up to the release, I'd die a happy man.