Agreed!

Here's another thought: Ed was quite proud of himself in the old days for putting Rain in the Attract Mode of UMK3, but not actually having him accessible in the game, driving people nuts trying to find him.

He could easily be looking to relive that moment, putting Rain somewhere in the game but you can't play as or fight him at all, hence only later making him available via DLC.

So your going on a rant about preserving and not ruining the steps layed down before us. But you praise Mavado's only plot pre-MKD with him demolishing Kabal (which just so happens to be a valued STEP FROM OUR PAST) and then protest that Mavado was Ruined when Kabal does the same back to him thus "Ruining Mavado"?

thats pretty contradicting my friend. No offense meant. I just think theres some ideal favouratism goin on here.

True, but Rain hadn't got a fan base when he was in the attract mode, nobody knew anything about him at the time. Could Boon really get away with pulling that trick with a character who has a fan base now?

He'd want to be mad to do it, I couldn't see it working even with other characters like Reptile or Kira.

Yes, agreed!
I think Smoke is awesome, and I'm really glad they're going to let us play as Human Smoke for the first time in ages- hopefully with non-Scorpion clone moves.
But Smoke has *plenty* of love on these boards-
I made this post specifically because I couldn't find one devoted to Rain in MK:2011.
To those of you using the argument that Rain is just a "joke character" not taken seriously by NRS, how does that explain the fact he got arguably the strongest moveset in all of MKT? So much so he had to be nerfed on subsequent re-releases? If they don't want folks to like a character, they shouldn't make them so much fun to use!

I dig the fatality ideas!
I had one of my own, where he uses the Super Roundhouse to kick the opponents' torso off, then catching it as it flies in from the other side, he hoists it high and fries it with several bolts of lightning.

I'd like to see him use special moves in the X-ray, like a lot of the newer ones have-
could be cool to see him use Rain Orb/Troll Beam/whatever you call it to put the opponent in position for a brutal blow... maybe even the Super Roundhouse!

But yes- enough about Smoke.
I love Smoke- please don't hate on Rain! Awesome!!! I shall do this too

did it as well, more people should send this to boon come on rain fans!!!

Talking about throwing words in a person's mouth...

I'm not upset at Kabal *killing* Mavado-though it was never "technically confirmed Mavado died, but you see him in a pool of blood in one of Kabal's bios and I'm sure at that time another trilogy type game wasn't on their minds so the MK team were most likely prepared to stand by this as being Mavado's "final destination"- but it was the way they went about it, the same way they went about everything in that game.

"Oh, where is Sonya, Jax, Kitana, and Kung-Lao? Um, why they were killed and possessed by Onaga!", "Why is Kahn still alive? Oh he used some unknown magical object to create a clone of himself!" The storytelling was shit. THAT is what bugs me about Deception.

The red dragons were completely dropped and ignored in Deception, that also bothered me. I think Darrius would have been a more interesting character if they went with what they had originally planned- Him being the leader of the RD and not some filler in that crappy Order/Chaos side story. Kira also should have been a Red Dragon in disguise, I loved that "rumor".

Dont Rain on our Parade! (or in this case, thread)

Another fatality idea I had would be to impale the Storm Sword into his victim's foot, anchoring them to the floor. As they struggle to wiggle their way free, he summons a few bolts of lightning that strikes the metal sword, which in turn electrocutes and fries the victim. The surge of electricity causes the burning corpse's head to burst before the body falls to the floor.

Thank you!

Well, there's only two options then: either his fanbase needs to demonstrate Rain has a more substantial fan-size than another character who may or may not be competing for a character slot, or they need to make a case that his story has the sophistication to warrant him a fair amount of screen time in MK2011.

If you're worried he's not going to get story development, he's still going to get that as a DLC character. Something tells me you guys don't just mean story development. It sounds like you want him to have a role beyond what he had in trilogy, and IMO, that goes against what this game is all about. And anyway, you could humanize him without doing that.


There was? I need to look into that, then. I remember Ermac's, but definitely not Smoke's.

Hello- That's exactly what I'm trying to do here!

As I've mentioned before, it wouldn't be hard at all to make Rain more central and important to the plot. Have Rain and Kitana as lovers before Kitana finds out the truth about her origins. She confides in Rain once she does, thinking he will be a source of comfort. Instead, he rats her out to Kahn hoping to gain more power.
Kitana becomes a stronger character b/c she got over betrayal by the man she loved, and Rain becomes a stronger character b/c we see he really is just looking out for himself, making him the character we "love to hate," as mentioned above. Then, he could potentially hook up with Tanya (giving her story relevance in this era as well), setting the stage for an epic Kitana/Jade vs. Rain/Tanya tag team Story battle!

I really want to see Rain have a much closer relationship to Jade and Kitana, they've all lived for thousands of years and ended up spending the majority of their lives under the influence and rule of Kahn, it would be excellent if Rain collaborated with Jade to help assist in Kitana evading Reptile, but instead of Rain doing so simply because about Kitana, his ulterior motive could be his desire to put an end to rule by a foreing invader and an opportunity to usurp Kitana.


Of course, in the Trilogy era, Rain doesn't have a great deal established in terms of story, so they should have an easier time filling in the gaps because of that increased freedom, they can do whatever they want with him.


In terms of moves, all of his Trilogy special should return. I would also add a defensive special, an aqua bubble shiled that captures projectiles and sends them into the air and something like a whirpool to capture enemies and throw them around.

I'm also hoping that Rain gets something like a Trident symbol placed somewhere on his ninja costume, would definitely go along nicely with the mythological elements.

Giving him a chance to be in a game that Ed himself said 99% of MK1-UMK3 characters will be in, means giving him a role that goes against this game? His story wasn't fleshed out at all after UM3, while the rest of the characters (well most of them) had the chance to appear at least once after that. I don't expect him to become Mileena no2, but at least I except him to have a decent appearance, moveset and story line in the game.

Sorry, your correct words of referrence were "Fucked up".

All you really did was re-state the obveous with a "its not 100% that Mavado died". I diddnt ask for a synopsis, We know all this. All im saying is the mental approach to this you are taking in in complete contradiction to the points that lead you to believe it in the first place.

-Conflicted about the past being "Fucked up" as you so artistically put it.

-Then Conflicted about the past regaining its former glory. (Kabal and the hookswords/superiority over a new rival)

-Conflicted wanting the defeated(mavado) by past glory(Kabal) (which you want kept) with new storyline progression branching off yet surpassing pass glory(Kabal) indirectly to the point where it wouldnt make sense unless he once again defeated past glory(kabal of whom you want to not be ruined as part of our MK past) which would put us literally right back at the first dash...

You single handedly got the idea to loop in and converge on itself not once but twice. That last dash makes sense but doesnt at the same time.

Thats what makes this contradictory and to some understanding, hypocritical. Not the the point where Id hold it against you though, But it did blow my mind.

I know your pain. the MKDA Expansion (loosly used term) Tournament Edition set up for the Tekunin. And yet no referrence in deception whatsoever. That SUCKED. But just look at it like this, I think we can all agree that MKD had a huge amount of plot in a short space. I understand that certain factions were ignored and they probebly said "Oh we'll use them for plot in the next game".

Sucks, but we have to deal with it. I just hope they think a game ahead of time from now on.

I apologize if I seem like an asshole. Its easy for text to be taken in the wrong attitude. I assure you im approaching this with a loose set and very humorous approach. I know what your trying to say. so Im sorry <3


-Casselman

We need to convert Queve into a Rain fan. He's enthusiastic about the characters he likes, I'm sure if we could manage it he alone would convince NRS to include Rain on the initial roster! (Assuming he's not, that is) :P

Lol!

Not happening, Queve and Sonya is like Cookies n Milk.

Rain's costume in MKA was the biggest let-down in MK history, IMO. He could be such a bad-ass character with some effort. He is one of my favs, especially with his updated storyline from MKA.

My thoughts- Delete his "storm" powers and just give him "water" powers. This is a reboot at heart isnt it? Give the lightning strike to Raiden (the god of thunder and lightning). Use Katara from Avatar as inspiration for some cool water-based attacks. Make his costume more ninja-like and more menacing. The MKA poncho and ponytail just made him look like a sissy

I'm sure I can find ways around it Cassleman! :P

So any costume design ideas from you guys? Fatality ideas, story ideas?

I suggested previously that since he's Nobility perhaps Khan could try force a wedding between Kitana and himself prior to MK2? That or he could have a love-hate relationship with Tanya, where there's an attraction between the two of them and they work together to acchieve their goals, but always double cross each other in the end.

I don't get the hate for his costume in MKA...
I mean they certainly did a good job differentiating him from the colour swapped ninjas. Plus they gave him an arabian prince inspired costume which matched to his MKA storyline...I think that was a nice detail!

I agree with you on the water powers thingy though. There are sooo many things they can do with his moveset and special powers that involve water!! I can't find a reason why they wouldn't finally take advantage of his potential!!!

I also don't get the hate. I'm not sure I want too. He looked fine to me.

I like Rain's Armageddon costume. I don't think the people who are against it know what they want or what the character should be. Maybe they just think Scorpion's square plates costume looks cool in purple or something, hell if I know. Makes no sense.

The guy is a ROGUE, a sneaky, traitorous thief-in-the-night type character with delusions of nobility. Dressing him like a desert thief with the purple ninja V and mask still there, but gold trimmed jewelry all over, a cape, and a dagger on his belt perfectly captured his background and personality. And the ponytail sticking out was a nice touch too. He looked EXACTLY like sneaky, runaway royalty.

I prefered his Alternate in Armageddon, but only marginally. His remade outfit in Armageddon was superb in my opinion, totally made him stand out in comparisson to the likes of Ermac or Reptile yet still had that "Mk Ninja" vibe to it. The render where he used the daggers is superb, I'd have loved to see him use them in the game.

@Casselman

No, you don't sound like an asshole. For the most part you're right. I think I was way too harsh on Deception. It did what it needed to do. It's just the small things that would have made that transition a bit smoother. I would have love to have seen the side stories from Deadly Alliance expanded upon in Deception. It bothers me that only 6(I had said 7 earlier but for some silly reason I was counting Liu) of the DA characters made it in to the "sequel" while the other 14 are either killed off, possessed, or simply not mentioned. And then on top of that to take away from the awesomeness of Kang/Kahn/Goro's demise by bringing them back as zombies, revealing that they faked their deaths, or totally retracting them just leaves a bad taste in my mouth. They should have remained dead.

But it WAS harsh to compare it to Armageddon. Ouch! So sorry for that. And in-case you haven't noticed, Deadly Alliance is my favorite game.

I'd like to see Rain's moves:
* Water Stream (Super Version - Tsunami Wave Crusher)
* Water Stream Kick (Super Version is like a stream cannon where he uses the jet stream to launch himself like Johnny Cage's Rising Uppercut but with multiple hits)
* Geyser Blast (Super Version is similar to Shang Tsung's MK3 skull eruption move with 3 hits)
* Lightning Bolt Bounce (Super Version - storm cloud follows you and shocks you 3 times until it goes away)
* Lightning Roundhouse Kick (Super Version - does an uppercut-style kick that knocks opponent through the ceiling and out the floor kinda opposite but sets them up for a free combo/juggle)
* Bubble Trap similar to Sub Zero's Ice Clone (Super Version is basically his MKT control bubble orb)
* X-Ray = forms bubble around opponent and kicks them like a soccer ball with his Lightning Roundhouse Kick and they ricochet hard fracturing rib cage/lungs then ends it with a Water Stream Rising Punch

I could be wrong, but I kinda have a feeling like Rain does have a bigger fanbase than both, Sheeva and Kano. Not sure though...

Anyway, here's another MK fan joining the prayers for Rain to make it as a part of the starting roster!

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Btw, I loved his MKA new look!