Will we see Seido and Chaosrealm again?
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Will we see Seido and Chaosrealm again?
03/08/2007 06:32 PM EST
I love MKD and i love MKD konquest. I think Shujinko's adventures through the realms are great. The realms of chaos and order truly inspire me.

Havik's one of my favourite characters- more for appearance, story and general originality of concept than game play (though his self mutilating power ups are great). I want to see his development.

The relationship between Dairou, Darrious and Hotaru is really well thought out too, and they all look amazing. I want more tension to happen between them.

What makes me sad is I don't think we'll ever see either realm again after MKA.

MKA might feature every character, but all my MKD guys barely get a cameo (Havik's appearance in Netherealm may not even be him, and none of the Order lads are to be seen. Oh, I hate how Kahn clobbers Darrious in the opening film!!!)

If those characters with their same stories and look had been in a new fighting game instead of MK, i think fans would put them up there with the true greats, but in MK they're compared to raiden, scorpion and all, who hace had the chance to develop over many games. Midway gotta give the newbies with promising beginnings a chance to grow.

I'll be gutted if their stories go no further, but I really feel it in my bones they're gonna get left behind. what do other people think?
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03/08/2007 07:20 PM EST
Unfortunately, I feel the same will happen. Hotaru is actually one of my favorite characters, as his story is something new. Most would suspect Hotaru be a hero and fight for good, but instead he sides with the Dragon King.

I'm not a huge fan of Havik, as he seemed a little bland in contrast to Hotaru, but his tinge of evil is very different. Most villains want to rule existence, but Havik means to keep it out of the wrong hands to promote chaos. Ironically, Hotaru is like blind justice, while Havik is like the unwilling hero.

Darrius and Dairou have a nice story going on too. Darrius most likely killed Dairou's family, and Dairou retaliated. There was probably some sense of injustice when he was arrested for attacking the man he believed to be his killer, but best of all, he did not succumb to total chaos. As another member pointed out, some deep respect is in order for Dairou because of that.

The problem with these characters though, is that none of them really impact the story significantly. MKA kind of spun the MKD story out of control and into the ground, so we don't know how significant our four characters were to the story.

Hotaru could have killed Kenshi (and Sub-Zero, but that sounds like a wrong turn, to kill an MK icon), or been killed by those two, or may not even have met up with them. In turn, Havik and the Black Dragon may not have enough interfered with the the final battle against Onaga, as it seems that Shujinko had killed him alone. Darrius and Dairou add nothing to the overall plot outside of Seido and Chaosrealm, which is a shame.

All in all, I'd really like to see these characters back. The chance of them all returning is very slim, but they all (as well as every single character in the MK universe) has the potential to be a successful character.
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03/09/2007 02:18 AM EST
I hate Darrius, but Hotaru, Diarou, Havik, Sareena, Nitara.....and maybe Ashra deserve to succeed into further games. I may be missing one or two new characters I like, but just so long as I've stated my disconsern for Darrius.
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RE: Will we see Seido and Chaosrealm again?
03/09/2007 04:59 AM EST
Dairou is one of my fave characters, though the others from those realms can just drop dead. I hope they return, but only really for Dai's sake.
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03/09/2007 09:18 AM EST
Either Seido or chaosrealm could be the next big threat to Earth. I doubt anyone would run with this idea, but if the midway guys gave kahn, onaga, shinnok and all some time off either realm could attack earth in mk8.

I think this would be a great idea as both realms have more involved plots and motives than outworld, where kahn's motive is just to rule everything.

In the way MK3 showed earth partially merged with outworld, how cool would an earth merged with chaosrealm be?
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03/09/2007 02:05 PM EST
I think EarthRealm should invade someone elses' realm...Like, take "Mortal Kombat" to the threat-Of-earth.

"Pres Bush vs Sadaam"
"Raiden vs Realms that threaten earth in any way"
(lol)

It'd give ample opportunity for new characters, "That start all over" they've been talking about, and it'd make a really good Konquest mode for some new character too. (like sending a warrior of Earth a mission)

note: Raiden isn't "evil", he's just more anal about "protecting" earth. Hence the term "dark raiden" and not "evil raiden".

So, If they invaded Seido/ChaosRealm, or any other realm for that matter, I think It'd be extremely interesting/engaging....or whatever.

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03/09/2007 02:53 PM EST
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I think EarthRealm should invade someone elses' realm...Like, take "Mortal Kombat" to the threat-Of-earth.

"Pres Bush vs Sadaam"
"Raiden vs Realms that threaten earth in any way"
(lol)

It'd give ample opportunity for new characters, "That start all over" they've been talking about, and it'd make a really good Konquest mode for some new character too. (like sending a warrior of Earth a mission)

note: Raiden isn't "evil", he's just more anal about "protecting" earth. Hence the term "dark raiden" and not "evil raiden".

So, If they invaded Seido/ChaosRealm, or any other realm for that matter, I think It'd be extremely interesting/engaging....or whatever.

haha


That could make for a really interesting story if for once they put Earthrealm in the invader catagory, but it should be done right and not be the usual satire of Bush. I don't like the guy but the concept wears thin when everybody makes fun of him.

I really think the Chaos and Orderrealms were cool. The excelent portrayal of the MK worlds and the unlockables was the only thing that made being my arch-enemy Shujinko worthwhile in MK:D's Konquest mode.
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03/10/2007 05:32 AM EST
I wish Midway would hurry up with the bios. When the Seido/Chaosrealm ones get released they'll be hopefully more background on them. I just hope they don't kinda end up like Jarek's bio.

They can't simply just discard two realms and their characters. At the end of the day they are still kinda "new" to MK. As far as I'm concerned there's no mention of these two realms in MK:A konquest at all. Zippo as if they were non existant.

How many bios have been released? 10? Only because Seido/Chaosrealms haven't been mentioned in any of them. Hotaru wasn't even mentioned in Kenshi's bio so I'm guessing the Hotaru/Sub-Zero/Kenshi encounter in MK:D didn't quite happen. Surely one of these characters must get a mention soon. And hopefully a very good storyline to back it up. I'm gonna guess and say it's Havik.

Since I'm a Hotaru fan, I hope that these characters can make it into MK successfully.

PS: Don't bother killing any of them for now as that might screw up the other three characters' storylines. As in they won't have any feuds with anyone and die off.
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03/10/2007 11:17 AM EST
I like Havik and Hotaru but I feel that Darrius and Dairou are just filler. If the main conflict was Chaos vs Order then they would be more appropriate. However, since MK is universal to all of its realms, they're more or less just crappy copies of Havik and Hotaru and I feel that they're uneccessary and very bland (Especially Dairou.). I mean, Darrius is against total order but at the same time, I don't think he shares Havik's dream of total chaos. Dairou is a former Seidon Guard but is now unknowingly working for Darrius. I guess the Dairou and Hotaru thing could come back as it has some relevance to the main Chaos vs Order thing but Darrius is really only there to say that not everyone in Seido is happy. Other than that, what does he do that Havik doesn't already do and at a better rate?

Those two questionable characters aside, I love the Chaos vs Order thing. Granted, I thought it was stupid at first and even now I think we can all agree that it isn't the most original idea. But now I've actually taken a liking to both realms and their two star characters. I was disappointed to see that only Havik made it to Konquest and that neither realm wasn't even mentioned. Aside from the obvious "what happened to these realms?" scenario, their inclusion could have also extended and improved the storyline. I like the idea of either Seido or Chaosrealm invading Earthrealm but neither realm really has a character like Shao Kahn to push it so I doubt they ever will. Hopefully these realms will return in future games and the fact that Havik was in Konquest, staying true to his storyline, gives me confidence that there's a chance that at least one of them will return. Of course, with Havik you could easily bring in Hotaru (Just look at Hotaru's Armageddon ending...) and start another classic feud. So I guess there's a good chance that Havik, Hotaru, Seido, and Chaosrealm will return. As for Darrius and Dairou, I can't guarantee they will but at the same time, I hope they don't.
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03/11/2007 10:33 AM EST
To Peanut Butter Jelly- I too am eager to see Chaos/ order bios. I agree that to kill any one of the four off would decrease the potential for future conflict between them

To n00b-Saibot- from a playing point of view i think Darrious's moves are cool, his specials really easy to pull off and his alt costume makes him a really classy looking character to play as, whilst (correct me if I'm wrong) dairou is considered top tier, so on that level alone neither should go.

On plot, they're not unnecesscery or bland. What I love about these four characters is none of them are good or evil, they all believe they are doing the right thing. darrious's not anarchic like havik, he just goes to extreme measures for what he sees as the good of the people. and the plot between him and dairou- did he kill his family- is great.

Here's an idea...

In MKD konquest we saw Hotaru take over one city in outworld. What if, in shao kahn's weakened state after failing to beat Blaze, Hotaru and seido merge Orderrealm with Outworld. Then the good guys in Outworld, bo rai cho, li mei etc, have to fight to free outworld from seido

ok, so this idea doesn't involve earth but then armageddon barely did either. the earthrealm warriors who bo rai cho helped- kung lao, shujinko etc, could go to outworld to help bo.

seido could be really nasty in outworld. i can see kombat arenas with kombatants like kahn trust up in torture devises in the background cos they haven't succumb to the ways of order.

then of course havik and chaos realm would get involved cos they'll oppose order anywhere, but our earth guys would hardly want havik to win and take over outworld, so there's a double threat.

triple threat,cos the likes of shang will be trying to win back outworld too, and earth doesn't want them to get back in power.

the earth guy's most preferable choice would be for someone like bo to be ruler of outworld.

i see hotaru as a sub boss and a new character who's some ultratough dictator ruling everyone

what do people make of that for an mk8 plot?

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03/11/2007 02:07 PM EST
I doubt it, but I'd love to see them again. Darrius, Havik, Hotaru, and Dairou are really cool.
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03/14/2007 01:02 AM EST
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Here's an idea...

In MKD konquest we saw Hotaru take over one city in outworld. What if, in shao kahn's weakened state after failing to beat Blaze, Hotaru and seido merge Orderrealm with Outworld. Then the good guys in Outworld, bo rai cho, li mei etc, have to fight to free outworld from seido

ok, so this idea doesn't involve earth but then armageddon barely did either. the earthrealm warriors who bo rai cho helped- kung lao, shujinko etc, could go to outworld to help bo.

seido could be really nasty in outworld. i can see kombat arenas with kombatants like kahn trust up in torture devises in the background cos they haven't succumb to the ways of order.

then of course havik and chaos realm would get involved cos they'll oppose order anywhere, but our earth guys would hardly want havik to win and take over outworld, so there's a double threat.

triple threat,cos the likes of shang will be trying to win back outworld too, and earth doesn't want them to get back in power.

the earth guy's most preferable choice would be for someone like bo to be ruler of outworld.

i see hotaru as a sub boss and a new character who's some ultratough dictator ruling everyone

what do people make of that for an mk8 plot?

grin


That sound like a great idea. It's totally chaotic. In fact it's more chaotic than MK:A. It also gives Havik and Hotaru more depth in storyline and they will "finally fit" into the MK world. I was also thinking of possibly having the Black Dragon join Havik. Then the Special Forces could track them down - but then they realize that Sektor's Tekunin becomes a threat so the members have to split up.

The only thing is what would Edenia and the Netherealm do. Also what would Dairou's and Shao Kahn's roles be.

Hmm with the bios being realeased it seems that Shinnok and Quan Chi might play a big part in MK8. Maybe they also try and overtake Outword.
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03/14/2007 06:40 PM EST
Shao Kahn should just be trust up in a torture device in the background- like Sonya and Kano in MK2 only something a whole lot gorier!
I don't think it'd harm mk to leave netherelm and edenia out of a game or two. i think mka suffered for being so edenia based and the last two konquests and MKSM have had us trawling round netherelm for ages which i think is a bit repetitive.
Yeah, I like the idea of Shinnok and Quan Chi trying to take over the Seido merged outworld- trying to capture it whilst in a state of turmoil. br/>Dunno about Dairou. Any ideas?
maybe this thread would be better in the future games discussion- dunno how i'd go about moving it though
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03/14/2007 10:04 PM EST
We need a Moderator to move this to Future MK games thread. That's if they want to.
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03/15/2007 03:26 PM EST
I think this can still work in Overall MK because you'll most likley get the occasional post saying "Havik pwns, lol." and whatnot given the title of this thread.

What I think of your MK8 plot Rayden

-Your inclusion of a final boss who isn't Hotaru is ingenious as Hotaru isn't a big enough character to effectively pull off the "main threat" appeal. Also, nice use of storyline by actually referencing something that happened in MK history and making use of the existing cannon.

-Earthrealm, or at least the good guys that aren't in the Special Forces, would most likely get involved to help out Bo Rai Cho.

-Havik and the Black Dragon are a likely combination since this would probably be the biggest Order spike Havik's ever seen in another realm and would want to stop it and the Black Dragon probably still has some loyalty to him or could easily be hired to help him with a coup. With their inclusion, Sonya and the Special Forces (And perhaps even former Black Dragons like Kano and Jarek and the Red Dragon would also be after or working with Kabal's crew.).

-Since Shinnok and Quan Chi seem to be headlining Armageddon and have ties to the Netherrealm, any plans they have for power uspurption in Outworld could easily justify Netherrealm involvement. Perhaps even characters like Tanya, Noob and his parther Smoke, and Moloch and Drahmin would be enlisted to serve as their army...sort of a Netherrealm version of Shao Kahn's long list of minions.

-Seeing as how Kitana and Sindel would probably want what Outworld took from Edenia ages ago, Kitana, Jade, and Sindel could be playable, hoping to take out what they deem a weaker force than Shao Kahn. Then, with Kitana there, Mileena has reason to get involved. She'll probably side with Hotaru simply to get the chance to kill Kitana. If Taven really does win Armageddon, then he'll probably step up in an attempt to calm the chaos brewing there as his self-appointed mission would demand of him. If he is in the game, I would say that he should probably win just so he can get a win record going like Liu Kang did. And with Taven there, Daegon might also come, hoping to steal the prize from Taven/get revenge on him.

-Since nobody gets to claim Outworld without taking Kahn out of the picture, your idea of him being weakened after the Amrageddon battle and being held prisoner in the hopes of seeing the ways of Order is not only necessary, but it also opens the door for a lot of other characters to get involved. Goro, Reptile, Baraka, Reiko, and anyone else that's still loyal to Kahn would either see their chance to overthrow their master or try to free him and help him retake his realm. I guess Shao Kahn being in the background of an arena might work but if he's being tortured, I'd doubt it would hurt him. He might be weakened enough to be overthrown, but no torture device is gonna make him flinch. He might have gashes all over his body and be bleeding profusley but my guess is that his helmet will still be on and that he'll watch the fights going on and laugh like he did in MK3 whenever anyone got a good hit in. He could possibly be in a possible "Hotaru's throneroom" arena where you'd fight Hotaru right before the last boss.

-Dairou, having seeminlgy failed to kill Hotaru in Deception, would most likley be trying to fulfill that job while Darrius will probably be sticking with his "overthrow the oppressive regime and get some freedom in here" shtick.

-Since Seido will want to bring order to every realm, I doubt Raiden will be able to bargain with Hotaru and his boss so my guess is that he'll have to get involved in this conflict to protect Earthrealm and will most likley bring Liu Kang with him if he's still under his control by MK8. With Raiden involved, Fujin will probably follow in the hopes of freeing Raiden from whatever force is making him Dark. If there's a Raiden/Fujin conflict then there might also be a Liu Kang/Kung Lao fight as well...The Kung Lao in the current games is the one from MK2 and 3 and not some third Kung Lao, right?

-The Tekunin, though not as important as the Special Forces or Black Dragon, might still have a rule simply because they see a weaker target than Shao Kahn and decide to strike. Hopefully, Sektor would have at least one high-ranking official with him so that he isn't the only Tekunin character in the story. And/or maybe have a lower ranking soldier malfunction and decide to stand against him kind of like E-102 Gamma from Sonic Adventure.

-Unfortunately, I can't think anything for Scorpion or Sub-Zero to do and you know that Midway will want them involved. The best I can come up with is that Sub-Zero will either help the Earthrealm heroes seeing as how he's a good guy or, more likely, he' be after Noob and Smoke. As for Scorpion, I'd normally say have him go after Quan Chi but judging by his Konquest role in Armageddon and how I haven't seen his ending yet, I don't think he gives a crap about Quan Chi anymore and unless he decides to take his rage against the Elder Gods out on Shinnok, I doubt he has a reason to show up.

Well, that's about everything I can think of for your MK8 Rayden. Your idea sounds really kool, especially after I put my ideas in there (Heh heh heh...). If anyone knows Scorpion's Armageddon ending, PLEASE don't tell me or at least put spoiler warnings in your post.
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03/15/2007 11:34 PM EST
The only thing I can think of about Dairou is that he somehow finds out it was Darrius that killed his family and he turns on Darrius. Other than that, great story.

If you do want Scorp's bio it's here:

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In Scorpion's Mortal Kombat: Armageddon ending after defeating Blaze , the entire Shirai Ryu clan is resurrected, thousands of them crowding the pyramid bellow, awaiting his command, along with Scorpion's wife and son. Then the sorcerer Quan Chi appears and kidnaps his son, taking him into the Netherealm through a portal. Enraged, Scorpion commands the Shirai Ryu to find Quan Chi; Scorpion will not rest until his son is rescued and the sorcerer has been destroyed


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03/26/2007 08:12 AM EST
I made some kind of post that sort of gave my opinions about this.

I'll restate, and perhaps expand.

I hope we see Seido and Chaosrealm again. If we don't, I'll also feel really unfulfilled. There's too much potential here. Way too much potential.

I do think that Dairou, however, serves a purpose, even in his MKD ending: If he feels bad for killing Hotaru because he was a fellow guardsman, and judging by Hotaru's facial expressions in Dairou's ending, Hotaru isn't that bad of a guy. Also, I personally think it would be cool (albiet predictable, but still cool) if Dairou was actually the head of the guard before Hotaru was -- I can see an ex-mentor relationship there, and one that might help explain Hotaru's slight insanity.

I also noticed that a lot of people think Hotaru is, like, a conqueror or something. I think he's just the attack-dog of the Senate. I don't think he'd want to be a ruler, but just does whatever the Senate tells him to do. I also think that it's way too interesting that he looks different than the rest of the Seidans -- especially since the Seidans are so into conformity. Why, if difference is so despised, is a (clearly not old) man with white hair and NO EYES the head of their royal/honor guard (even if it was originally just a "dude, it looks cool" by the MK team)? There's no question that the flags look like wings. He looks like an angel, which is probably why he's the flag-bearer (there's no doubt that him not, like, being killed as a baby has to do with his potential to look like the pinnacle of order/light/good/etc). He has a move called "Demonic Warrior". Maybe he's part demon. I like to think that this isn't because one of his parents was a demon -- it's because he's a chimera. That's right, the hypertechnological Seido created a genetically modified Seidan. He wasn't conceived, he was designed. It would be so easy to make him feel indebted to the Senate -- they could easily say he was just born a freak but he was spared by the mercy of the Senate . . . how could he disobey? Hotaru, I believe, doesn't make any real decisions of his own. He's not a leader, just a follower. And, as the head of the guard, he is the icon of Seido, and thus gets blamed for everything the Senate does. That's his job, to take the blame. (I highly doubt there are people who would like him outside of his hero status as the head of the guard, especially -- if not solely because -- he looks so strange. I think he's just crazy, not evil, and probably doesn't understand why people don't all want the order he does. He either needs a friend/hug or a sound beating.)

Havik is clearly the jailer. He's the Seidan who built the prison in Chaosrealm. It's so glaringly obvious that it's one of the reasons why Order/Chaos can't just go away. Clearly, he's the Seidan legend that every one of the guards wants to be: The valiant hero who conquered Chaosrealm (perhaps after a valid Mortal Kombat tournament that gave Seido the permission to do so?), and the martyr who was overthrown and killed by the evil, chaotic barbarians of Chaosrealm. But, of course, he wasn't killed, and so he eventually "gave in to the chaos" to become the hero of Chaosrealm, instead. All of the guards, if not just Dairou and possibly Hotaru, wanted to be just like him, but kind of know that he's Havik.

Darrius. I don't know what to say, exactly, except that he needs to be there -- He shows that Seido is not run by a race that believes in Order, but is run by a Senate that uses Order as almost a religion in order to control the people.
The Senate is corrupt and Machiavellian in a negative sense. It's just so juicy and meaty!

You don't throw away a steak after you've only taken one bite! If this stuff doesn't get any more attention, I will be sad. Very, very sad!
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03/27/2007 02:21 AM EST
Very good story. I hope Midway expand on this. But not one of these characters have had their bios out. I hope they don't treat them like Jarek and Rain.

Hotaru's a chimera? wow That'd be one big twist.

I too would be very sad if Boonand Co. stuff this up/leaves it alltogether.
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03/27/2007 12:16 PM EST
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03/27/2007 12:25 PM EST
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A Chimaera is a beast with a lions, drakes and a rams head, add a snake for the tail.


If I remember right, Chimera is a term in genetics for two or more genetically different cells from different zygotes. That was the first thing I thought too, though.

I doubt Hotaru is the Terminator; he's probably not an offspring of Seidan and Oni blood, and it's probably unlikely that he was created by the Senate. It does add some touch to him, though. I'm still waiting to see his biography the most, though.
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03/27/2007 08:04 PM EST
You could say that a Chimera would be best as a domestic cat's head, a tiger's body and a reptillian creature's tail. Like, some sort of cat-tiger-reptile creature.

HAR HAR

Nah, I meant in the bioengineering sense.

And of course he's not ACTUALLY something cool. If we asked Vogel he'd say "oh, he's wearing contacts". And of course he can't be part oni, 'cause then he's be ugly. Hurr hur hurr.

But eh, I just thought it would be . . . er, have been, since it isn't ever to be. . .a cool idea! Alas, I'm expecting 'em to pull a Rain for Darrius, Dairou, Havik and Hotaru. Well, maybe not for Havik. We'll see.
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03/28/2007 10:57 AM EST
I would generally hate the idea of making hotaru the Sephiroth of MK.
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03/28/2007 06:36 PM EST
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I would generally hate the idea of making hotaru the Sephiroth of MK.




Remember, there are much worse ideas out there than a Sephiroth of Mk.
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03/29/2007 10:10 AM EST
Wow, CaTigeReptile, cheers for your input. Good point about Hotaru looking different than the rest of the Seidans since they are so into conformity. Maybe he is a genetically modified Seidan, i love that idea, and your plot idea for him being so.

You think Havik is Seidan? I have found it interesting that he "gave in to the chaos" it does beg the question who or what was he before.

I totally agree that you don't throw away a steak after you've only taken one bite. I'll be so, so, so gutted if we don't get more seido/chaos in future games

To go back to my suggested plot which n00b saibot and peanut-butter-jelly expanded on, i think either seido or chaos really should be boss characters in the next game. In deception, they are such strong ideas, but still kinda peripheral to the main dragon king story- the only way to flesh them out is to make that the focus of the game.

Seido should invade Outworld!

CaTigeReptile's idea of Hotaru being puppet like lends itself perfectly to Hotaru being the sub boss for the true dictative ruler of Seido
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RE: Will we see Seido and Chaosrealm again?
03/29/2007 05:19 PM EST
Hehe. I've never played FFVII. I avoid Final Fantasy, it seems too sappy.
Having defeated her opponents, CaTigeReptile was granted full access to the sorcerer's cookbooks. There, she succeeded in discovering the sequence of ingredients necessary to satisfy her hunger with delicious results. Have a nice day.
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