This thread is baseless. You can't make the claim that SFV is taking real roster risks because of ONE lesser known character being revealed.

Then you don't know the MK fanbase, mein freund

It begs the question would Jin Kazama be a roster risk in tekken 3 if Kazuya and Jun were also in the game?

It's ONE more than MKX has added, - in 14 reveals so far!!

That's a bloody good sign for the rest of the roster to come. And frankly, Street Fighter DOES have a history of eventually adding in more obscure and requested fighters.

Rolento, Makoto, Dudley - all of these were at least at a Fujin, Tanya, Shinnok level of fan request, then you have Poison who was cult and obscure but *highly* requested, - an easy equivalent to a Havik, - ALL of those eventually made the SF4 roster. Props to Capcom, they consider the entire fanbase when it comes to roster requests.

Pff Street fighter is the last game we should be giving credit for taking risks, their roster is mainly the same regurgitated crap for like 25 years. Mortal Kombat may have its flaws but not taking risks isn't one of them, I don't think MKX will be the exception, you can tell is a risk when there's major fan backslash but later gets accepted by the majority and even welcomed, is just a matter of warming up to them.

Maybe they will take some roster risks? They revealed 4 all knew fighters at E3, and have given us returning characters since, they are probably getting the more popular returnees out of the way first before introducing any more new or less popular returnees.

Honestly, I believe the negative view of MKX's roster is because of the order of the reveals. 1/2 of SFV's roster is going to be what's expected and 1/2 of MKX's roster is going to be the expected as well. It just seems like MKX has MK9's roster because that's the 1/2 they revealed for some reason.

Yes. Exactly.

>has already made a playable appearance before
>is supposed to be dead as shit, just like Gouken


>calculated roster risk
>cutting edge



...Fucking really, man..?

It's not so much the order of the reveals that has people all hot and bothered.

It's that we've kept hearing from NRS about how MKX is taking the series in a new direction and yet literally 70% of the confirmed cast are the same old returning characters.

Lol at this post. SF3 was a bigger risk than anything MK has done or will ever do, not only when it comes to roster but also gameplay. Hell, the first version of SF4 had more newcomers than the latest 3 MK games combined, and that was after a 10 year hiatus.

You mean that SFIV had more new characters than a reboot, a cross-over and an all-star game? Gee, I'm fucking shocked.

Also, between Deadly Alliance and Armageddon, MK introduced 20 new characters to Street Fighter IV's 7 across all the different versions of that game.

Why does it matter if those were a reboot, an all stars game and a cross over? If anything that proves that NRS just keep doing games with all the staple characters, lol. Your argument is easily refutable, especially when SF's latest crossover at least had a new character. Funny that you're trying to defend Mortal Kombat as innovative, by saying those 3 games' rosters shouldn't be used against it, but ignore the fact that Street Fighter IV was the first SF game in 10 years, and the first after the big flop SF3, which made it obvious they'd go back to basics, and it still had more newcomers than the latest 3 MK games, and more newcomers than MKX has revealed so far. Also, as of Ultra Street Fighter IV, 7 characters from the "flop" game SF3 were playable, while only 2 characters from MK4-MKA have been playable since MKvsDC.

EXACTLY. You're freaking speaking my language. That's the thing- NRS doesn't consider the entire fanbase- They just goes off of broad bullshit assumptions. They assume that everyone hates or doesn't care for 3D era characters and that's obviously not true judging by the backlash they've been receiving. Plus, I've known quite a few mainstream people who aren't even diehard fans of the series that are familiar with some of the "obscure" characters. One of my close friends who has only played a few MK games has always loved Fujin and is anxiously awaiting his return, every time a new MK game is announced he asks me the same question "Is Fujin in it?".

Point I'm trying to make is I'm tired of the whole "Well no one gives a fuck about the MK4-MKD characters" mentality that NRS has and now a few of the fans have adopted. That's simply not true.

Fact of the matter is these characters were barely given a second chance as it is. It's what I fear will happen with the current newbies- sure they're well liked now, but if NRS decides to dump them after MKX how long will it be before people start switching up their tune and start blaming these characters for not "Catching on". Some characters need more than one game to develop and become a favorite, but nobody but Capcom seems to be getting that lol

Or you can simply skip over my posts. I wasn't even speaking to you anyway.

To be fair, many fans, even back when those games came out felt "Fuck the MK4-MKA" characters. That isn't a new trend, those characters are almost objectively awful, so awful in fact that even their own creators are shamed by them.

I don't think they're all bad, in fact I think some of them are great and have a ton of potential, but just because they already exist doesn't mean they're worth revisiting. If games are art, and that's arguable, who is the audience to try and control what the artists want to do with it?

I mean street fighter can take risk cause everybody hates capcom and street fighter x tekken did pan to casuals .

Exactly. If anything Cage and Sonya fans have flocked to Cassie and adopted her into their faves. So there is absolutely NOTHING risky at all about her.

In fact, creating new characters is something MK has always done(and dumped them the next game). What's risky about that? Risky is bringing back "little known" characters like Sareena, Nitara, or Havik and carving them into new and improved badasses and unleashing them into the world with a new found purpose. That's the kind of risk I want to see.

Maybe it has something to do with the fact that we're paying for this? Maybe it has something to do with the fact that we are the ones keeping them in business? Let's get one thing clear- I'm not talking about bringing back characters like Hsu Hao, Dairu, Darrius, Mokap, Shujinko, and Taven. Come on now. I'm talking about interesting, unique, and potentially driven characters like Havik, Sareena, Fujin, Ashrah ect that could truly be worked into something great. Hell, I'm not even saying I wanted the entire MKX roster filled with characters like that. I just wanted 4-5 of them to make it in. I don't get how that's as absurd as some of you are making it out to be. Wanting the development team to recognize ALL their fans and their fans wants is hardly a big deal.

And at the end of the day, they can definitely do what they want. But what happens if they dump the MKX newbies? Do we all turn two-faced and then go "oh well, D'Vorah sucked. Cassie sucked. Kotal sucked. No wonder they were dropped". I mean how long do we sit back and just watch new characters after new characters be dropped before we say "Hey, we'd like to see a bit more of them please"?

*Shrug* Oh well, Whatever will be, will be.

I'm still getting MKX because I'm an MK fan until the end. I just would like to see some old faces I haven't seen in a while is all.

Let's not ignore the fact that MK revamps it's returning characters a whole lot more than any other fighting game, in both design and gameplay. These could very well be new characters, that is a risk.

Sick of people complaining about the roster in MKX if you don't like it don't buy it! It's that simple! They can't cater to everyone replacing the old cast with all
New ones is stupid and wouldn't work, replacing the old 2d cast with 3d cast is also stupid and also wouldn't work have a little faith people I think the finished roster for MKX will have a good complement of 2d returnees, 3d returnees and new characters you just have to be patient! None of my favs have returned yet and every time I see a shit boring character tht I don't like such as Kano, Kung Lao, kitana and reptile get confirmed I get angry too. plus don't get me started on all these rumours of Sonya, Jax, cage and Liu kang returning cause that really pisses me off but none the less I will wait and see the whole roster before I pass judgement and either way it goes I will still buy the game then judge whether it is good or shit!

But basically they can only put so many characters in the game and some are going to miss out that's the way it is they have to weigh up popularity, story value, future potential and many other factors before confirming a character so have faith people

A move they've been doing for nearly 20+ years and has became expected- 'tis no longer a risk, but an expectation.

At this point I'd venture to say Ferra/Torr is the only one in real danger of being wiped off the map after MKX. But I guess ya never know.

For Cassie, it just depends on how well everyone takes to the descendant concept. Although, it will be very interesting to find out in future installments how they'll pan the parent/children roster selections.

D'Vorah. Now, D'Vorah is somewhere in the middle for me. I'd like to think she has been well-received but I have heard some negative things. Personally for me though, she's second only to Kotal as one of the more interesting new characters. Her and Kotal were the only two that I was dying to know more about at E3.

Kotal is sticking around. That's fersure.

Oh, and MK>SF.

@ProfesserAhnka

I'm all for some of those character turning up, and the ones you mentioned specifically are some of my favorites from that era. And I really do believe we will see 2 or 3 faces you wouldn't expect, and that they are just secret for now. They want us to be surprised, they always do, and they can only do that if they shift our expectation.

All of that said though, I think from what we've seen of the new characters, Cassie, Kotal, Dvorah, Ferra/Torr, and (likely) Erron Black, they are all oozing with design/personality that very very few of that other era of characters had. I remember watching an interview with Steve Beran for MKX where he said "In the past we didn't develop character in the past as much as we should have, so we're trying to make sure we come out of the gate with strong characters." And to me that really shows, and it probably means they will salvage a couple of the character they feel are largely sunk costs. And on top of that, I'm sure we will see characters from that era respectfully paid tribute to in the story mode even if they aren't playable. I doub't there will be 4-5 from MK4-MKA, but I do think there will be 3, that aren't Kenshi or Quan Chi. Time will tell, but for now I'm giving them the benefit of the doubt because there has never been an MK that didn't show me something I never thought I'd see.