Oy vey

Oh-my-God. Sonya??? Not as prominent in the past as she was promoted and done in this latest very important game???....LMAO!! I'll get into that:

I like it how this thread has remained civilized (no sarcasm!), really.



(like I said)............Oh-my-God.

“Never plastered about the extent” of the ninjas? Or of Mileena/Baraka in Deception? WTF!??!?! You are seriously in a huge bubble of denial man, and you are getting no-where with that.

This goes to you and anyone else out there who likes to blow bubbles. Granted, not in every game has she been plastered as much as she has in MKvsDC, MK3, MK4, MKDA and MK1, but that doesn’t mean she didn’t get a big deal of attention and treatment. She might not had been used to the same level of the ninjas in a few, but she was still highly used next to them, and in some, just as much:

MK1:

Amazing Super rare MK1 video

Who knows what other rare stuff, but I’ll just leave it here because this is the first game and all of the characters were well promoted, etc. Makes no sense to continue.

MK3:

Oh, lets see:

* First female to be confirmed and the only returning female of the past games.
* First character along side Kano to be confirmed.
* HUGE use of her character in advertisements, promotions, trailers, commercials and special game events. You know what: these Mk3 events and you tube are your friends, and don't forget this one. I’m not even going to look up all the extra developers diaries and rare MK3 videos that show Sonya among the main characters being used to promote the game.
* Don't let me forget to mention the memorable live show!! as well: soooo sexy, lol.
* Huge amounts of pics and vids of her (exactly like we got in MkvsDC).
* Mentioned in the reviews, game box (along side the main names as usual), etc.
* And I love how she got some in-game story pics along side the main guys. And funny, even though it was all about Sindel, she was still presented with big prominence because of her only-chosen female from earth status and role (in and outside the main plot).

MKT:

* Wasn’t she the one who got an amazing rare MK Trilogy Special Card to promote the game while some others didn’t? I find it cool that Jade and sexy Sindel also got their own.

MK4:

* First female confirmed, yet again. I wonder why?
* Like in MK3, her character was used in the promotion and advertisement of the game in commercials, videos, pictures, game events, and OH, trailers. Anyone remember that very awesome trailer were MK4 was just being announced and she was one of the first confirmed characters and appears along side Liu Kang AND Sub-Zero? They showed the three of them a lot for that game. That was a cool commercial. And the early game trailers showed her quite as much. You tube is your friend.
* Great role in the comic and very big Sonya in the main cover.
* Oh yeah, once again the name in the box cover, the reviews and the media.

MKDA:

Ohhhh, lets see:

* First confirmed female to return, yet again.
* And don’t we vividly remember that in 2001, before any main/specific info of MKDA was revealed, she was one of the first four confirmed characters to return, and who were the other 3? One was Quan Chi, the other 2 were Scorpion and Sub-Zero (surprise, surprise!)
* Oh yeah, wasn’t Sonya the only returning female of the game to be featured playable in the main game events such as E3, along side the ninjas yet again? It was also cool they chose Li Mei, awesome.
* And don’t get me started in the trailers, commercials, pictures, and the many things in which she appeared a lot to promote/advertize blablablablabla the game. And did I mention her name was used in third place only after the mention of Scorpion and Sub-Zero in the game box and other stuff?

MKD:

First of all: YAY FOR MILEENA!

* Now, OH MY GOD, how could I had forgotten? Wasn't she the only MKDA female (not playable in MKD), who was featured in a very sexy special MKD card??? "Vixen Vendetta". Awesome. Sure it isn't promotion, but I'm not surprised she was picked from the bunch.

MKSM:

For obvious reasons not used as much (Mk2 people!), but hell, what we got of her was more then enough to make fans go yay! Awesome intro, awesome character portrayal (sure the Baraka thing was funny as hell, and thankfully we get to see her revenge in MKvsDc lol), and even though she wasn’t playable, we got a decent amount of pics and vids of her, OH! And don’t forget the cool mk art magazine that featured her in a huge page.

MKA:

For a character who had already been used in the past games of the same style, in a game that was obviously promoting the new-returning faces that fans were dying to see, she sure got a big deal of love:

* She received her own special edition cover to promote the game.
* Special cool kollectors lithograph of her.
* She was one of only 14-16 characters who got a Bio in MKA, and hers was the first female bio confirmed/revealed.
* Awesome Konquest role, and one of the few who actually got one.
* And if we get technical, her position in the character select screen, huge poster, etc.

MKvsDC:

For a game that proclaimed itself to be about the “main icons” and the true/real/faithful representation of its characters and lets not forget that it was also referred to be all about using the best of the best to promote the game to an even bigger audience outside the mk realm, Sonya was surely established as THE BADA$$ and got a huge amount of love...HUGE. Third MK main character confirmed and used, first female of mk and the game in general, the special cover, the entire game itself, etc etc etc. Too much to even go on. We all know it.

LMAO. Enough said.

Some people can choose to close your eyes, ears and sing a happy long-lost lullaby if you wish. It wont change anything.

Outside the MK games

I don't have the time to dwell on the posters, movies, comics, action figures, tv show, game cards, game boards, etc etc etc.



? Not entirely their fault if you like to raise your expectations of the characters and give them the status you like to give them all the time. But yeah, I can see how it can be their fault in a small part.

And I won't even reply to the big cool AND stupid posts I’ve seen here (this discussion is endless because of fanaticism and bitter-jealousy), I’ll just address this one:



Hey, you, freaky-looser, if you didn’t notice, Sonya was brought up by your side of the fans as well.

Stop being a hypocrite. I LOL at your bitterness. Let's not talk about losers, alright?

YO, EVERYONE, LETS GET BACK ON TOPIC! LETS JUST END THE "I ASK YOU REPLY OUT-OF-TOPIC" QUESTIONS because this will seriously never ever ever ever end. BaCk-On-ToPiC Please!

As queve as so elaborately explained, Sonya has been highly publicised in the past, and has been used to market the game for her iconic looks. She's been a big part of the franchise, there's no question about it.

But Sonya's popularity, exposure, storyline, etc. has little to do with Kitana, and I don't understand why every Kitana thread made turns into a Kitana Vs Sonya thread.

Thanks Keith, and I agree with you. That's why I will say::

PEOPLE, if you don't mind, LETS GET BACK ON TOPIC!

Edit: ONLY because it could had been "misunderstood" and "misinterpreted"

Seriously.

Talking about people who don't know where to stop...

Yessir, all of page ten so far as been pointless and off-topic. Nice work, gentlemen.

Actually, I think at this point, there's nothing left TO discuss. Every aspect of Kitana has been explored from every angle and the topic's pretty much done now.

I agree. Unless someone has something else they want to say, this thread should be closed. I'm surprised it hasn't been already.

*queve hugs RazorsEdge*

Plus you forgot to say Page 9 (yeah, page 9 as well) and part of page 7 and 8 and whatever. Everyone made their points, and there is honestly no need to continue with that and answering questions that will give endless answerers and spawn more questions that everyone will disagree with. Sonya fans proved some of their points with facts (points up at my post regarding Sonya being used and known just as much as in mk vs dc in the past, just as an example), so there is no need to drag her in and tear her apart in this Kitana-dedicated memorial thread.

this is a very interesting thread. but seriously who didn't see it turning into a sonya vs. kitana thread?

on the topic of which characters where revealed first? why the hell does that matter at all? wonder woman was one of the last characters released and she's probably the third most important DC hero. so just because sonya is introduced first when games come out doesn't mean that has any bearing on her status as a lead character (which by the way i think she is, i'm just saying if she's the first female revealed or the last female revealed it's irrelevant.)

now, some good points have been made in this thread. but i have to say i like the way kitana is portrayed in this game and the way she has been portrayed in the past games for the most part.

working backwards:

MK vs DC-kitana is fucking awesome in MKvsDCU. i thought i would play with sonya and wonder woman more but i'm ending up playing almost exclusively with kitana to the point where i haven't even beat story mode with all the characters. she plays fantastically in this game.

as far as her look in this game, when i first saw how she would look i hated it but i liked it the more i looked at it. i only have two real complaints about her look, the fact that she's wearing that stupid mask and the fact that the body suit is more black than blue. and that bullet proof kevlar look is retarded. if her suit looked more like her boots and gloves it would've been fine. i see a lot of people complaining about the blue body suit but it's become so characteristic of her character that i cannot picture her in too many different looks. i think the type of body suit she had in MKA is a good example of a change that's not too far gone from what kitana should look like. if they added a few minor details to her body suit it'd be fine. some flowing garment perhaps.

as far as her story. even though we don't see most of it it's still more important than what some characters do. liu kang for instance...i can't even remember what he did in story mode. so raiden, quan chi, and kitana probably has the most impact as far as importance to the story goes. while the other characters seem affected just for the sake of fighting when they are influenced by the rage (sans quan chi) atleast something comes of it. i love that they chose kitana to be the character to go and inspect dark kahn. even if we don't see it it's still important. and i think it shows something that they chose kitana for this. i also like how her and quan chi are the two characters that kind of get with the "focus the rage against our enemies" plan before the others...again fairly important.

MKA-well no one was really represented well in this game. everyone had a sucky ending, no bios, i mean. can we say anything positive about ANY characters portrayal in this game?

MKD-i seriously thought she'd be playable in this game even after i found out she wasn't. we just saw her so freaking much. it seemed like every five minutes i would hear about her or see her in someones ending. i think things like this matter, that even when the character isn't in the game we still feel their impact. mileena, jade, and sindel are the only in this game because kitana wasn't. even when she's not there she contributes lol. and is still important to the main story.

MKDA-if this game had two main villians and two main heroes it was (obviously) quan chi and shang tsung and kung lao, and kitana. if you cannot see that than you are simply a retard. i loved the way she was portrayed in this game too. again my only grip is the mask.

MKG-yeah this is a low point. this is really the only time i felt that she was weak and helpless. this is pretty much the only time she felt like more of an after thought and not one of the prominent characters being represented.

MK3-this has already been disscussed in great detail.

MKII-so has this.

basically, i like the way kitana is now. she's definitely different than she was in MKII-MK3 but i think that's good story telling. it could be better of course lol but i like her evolution from presumably cold blooded assassin to tired of battle princess. xia has a good point, if they never meant for kitana to be an important main character than they have a very odd way of showing. i think for the most part they've done her justice.

not to turn this into a sonya vs kitana thread but the reason i like kitana more is because sonya is just kind of...there. she's an iconic, nostalgic, marketable, fan favorite but she serves no real purpose in the story. that said i like sonya, i'm a sonya fan and i DO think she's one of the main heroes of story but she needs more of an upgrade than kitana does IMO.

one of the only things about kitana i would like to see is a little more struggle. i can pretty much infer that she had a tough time getting to this point in her life but with the way the games are presented it seemed like she went from evil to good in no time at all. one of the only things i think is wrong with her character is we don't see her struggle emotionally but since MKD(unchained really) we're starting to see that.

just my two cents.

Many did, they just ignored it.

I agree with you oracle about Kitana's look to a point. While I still haven't grown to like her MkvsDC look (The bad ponytail and design still irks me) but I do agree that her blue leotard has become a standard in her outfits and she has had designs in the past that make it look really well (her MK2 appearance, and both MKDA costumes) so while the basic design of her MKvsDC look is right, I wasn't happy with the texture of the outfit, the scaled look or her long hair. I love Kitana having long hair, it gives her a unique look that doesn't outshine her mother, but connects her to SIndel. And it was beautifully done in Deadly Alliance, but it just looks so odd in MKvsDC. And a characters look is an important thing; nobody wants to play as a character that looks rediculous. I mean, Mokap never stood a chance due to his story, name and moves but his appearance truly buried him.

Mokap is a bad example, he was deliberately designed to be a visual gag.

And? He may have been designed as a visual gag but that doesn't mean people don't hate him. Kitana has been fortunate enough to get some good designs in the past, especially in her initial appearance when a character's look would lead to whether or not they were picked.

You can't say a character has a stupid costume like it proves a point if the character is SUPPOSED to have a stupid costume and the stupid costume is the entire purpose of their existence. How people feel about Mokap has nothing to do with ANY of the serious characters.

You've completely missed the point of what I said. Let me explain it simply.

Kitana looks cool and often, people want to play as her because of that.

Fair enough.

Just on Sonya for a minute (and I believe it was the anti-Kitana side that brought her up) -- I wouldn't be able to tell who Sonya Blade is game-to-game, because her look is so standard, and she changes at will. Hell, Kobra sort of looked like what could have been a Sonya model in MKD. I'm not bashing the character, I'm just saying that Kitana's image is certainly more distinct.

Also, queve, thanks for digging up those little tidbits you did. As I said, I'm not up to date on the promotion of the games, but I have to say that digging up "rare videos" isn't proof of anything. Those videos are rare for a reason. Sonya being featured in a reel with every other character isn't a big deal, either.

Dear lord, lot of chaos has ensued since my last visit to this thread.
And since everything seems to be way off topic, I'll get us back on
track. First and foremost lets leave Sonya out of the convo, because
this back and forth about who is better or who is the main this or that
is rather pointless. That said, lets get back to the character this thread
was created to address. What are you guys suggestions and or ideas
for the MK team as far as how they can improve Kitana's over all appeal?
As I have already stated my thoughts on the matter, I'll sit this one out.

i think they just need to find a better medium between bad ass assassin and and bad ass princess. after that she'd be golden.

also no more masks.

Well Kitana's look in MKvsDC makes her look very noble and good. She doesn't look threatening or dark, and I think that was always a big part of her appeal. Her MKSM appearance gave her a darker look. She could have easily been mistaken for an evil character and I think that would do a lot for her.

*...Oh you've got to be kidding me....*

Do you even realize that people agreed to drop that topic for the best, and yet you still continue to pursue it? FYI, I disagree with everything you said and could give you many (maaany+more then enough) excellent reasons why your statements are wrong, BUT:



***ThE sUbJeCt WaS dRoPpEd!..!...!.....!***

I'd say just leave it Queve, people are going to try and turn the discussion around again, I guess it's best to ignore it and just continue on.

but that armor scale kevlar shit has got to go most definitely.

i think part of her appeal as far as superficial things go is that she looks very good and decent. shaolin monks, i thought was her absolute worst look. i don't know why but i just hated it. the blue eye shadow was good. her MKA default is where i think they should pick up her future designs from and evolve from there.

My memory isn't serving too well right now, her MKA default is her MKDA alt, yes? The purple leotard with the covered shoulders and the kind of bodystocking thing? I loved that look, and I think they should go from that direction.

Her MKSM look was my favorite too. But specifically the in-game graphics version.

MKSM had a real problem with the cut scenes not matching the in-game outfits. Raiden's clothes lost their gold trim in the cutscenes and his headwrap didn't cover his forehead, making him look stupid. Liu and Kitana's hair was wrong, they lost their bangs or something...Reptile had more decorations on his clothes in-game, Cage's pants were completely different...stuff like that.

yep that's the one! i used to hate it but eventually i started to like it more and more and i used it more than her default in MKDA. the only problem i had with it was that i was purple, and she doesn't look bad in it...i've just gotten used to seeing her in blue.

you like the MKSM look i thought it was god awful lol. the only thing that i really liked about it was the color. it had a very good balance of blue and black as opposed to the MK vs DCU one. and that they added bangs to her bun which made me not mind it.