A Disgruntled Kitana Fan (long...as always)
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posted12/06/2008 03:13 PM (UTC)by
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As evidenced by my current sig and my various posts, I have not been very pleased with the way Kitana's come across in this latest entry. And truth be told, this has pretty much opened a floodgate of hostility. So much so, I have actually taken to getting in touch with Midway and sending this letter I'm about to post here.

Before anyone says it, I realize it most likely won't make much difference and I'm sure there'll be some who feel I'm overreacting over nothing...but it nevertheless felt good to write it down and I'm curious if if anyone else is feeling the same way.

Oh yeah, and there are story spoilers in this...so fair warning.

To whom it may concern:

I have been a Mortal Kombat fan since it first appeared, and as such, I’ve seen the series throughout it’s ups and downs. For the most part, I’m open to new characters, new fighting engines, and even though there may be things...like the crossover with DC, for one...that may initially irk me, I like to think I’m an open and fairly reasonable fan.

Ultimately, I am a fan who values storyline and the characters as much as the gameplay...and I would say more than mini-games or new costume designs. And I really have to express concern over the recent depictions and treatment of my favorite character overall: Kitana. As said, I value story a great deal and Kitana’s story is something I love especially about her...however, in recent years this aspect of her character, among other things, has been severely lacking.

I’ve looked the other way and accepted certain limitations...always with the optimistic thought of “Well, hopefully in the next game, they’ll fix that.” However, with Kitana’s depiction in the latest entry, Mortal Kombat vs. DC, I can’t look the other way or make excuses. There’s something very wrong going on with the way Kitana’s been made and as a fan, I have to speak up.
(Pardon the length, but I have a lot to get off)

First of all, let me point out that Kitana is, objectively, one of the stronger creations on the Mortal Kombat roster. The fans really are a fairly unique and interesting weapon and the image of Kitana wielding them is...or was anyway...a striking and memorable image. But also in terms of storyline. Whether you guys are aware of it or not, with Kitana you’ve created a legitimately strong and effective character.

Just consider some of the basic principles of storytelling and character development:

1) “characterization is the sum of all observable qualities of a human being; everything we can know about a person just by studying their history and observing them day in, day out”
There are actually not all that many characters in Mortal Kombat who have legitimately fleshed characterization. A lot of characters...too many, some would argue...are very thinly developed, vaguely defined, or just way too broad. There aren’t many whom we can get a clear sense of who they are based on what we know about them. While Kitana obviously isn’t 100% fleshed out and there are aspects of her that remain unknown, she has sufficient characterization where can get a fairly good sense of who, why, and how she is who she is.

2) “true character, who a character really is underneath, is revealed in the choices he/she makes or conflicts they encounter under pressure; the greater the pressure, the truer the revelation of true character”
There aren’t many characters who have a reasonable amount of characterization, but even fewer who have been confronted with what we can call true choices or encountered real conflict. Kitana has. She made a major defining choice when she chose to turn against Shao Kahn despite loyally serving him for most of her life. She’s then gone on to deal with assassins, her brainwashed mother, more invasions, death and loss, etc.

3) “revelation of true character in contrast or contradiction to characterization is fundamental in all fine storytelling; furthermore, revelation of deeper character in contrast to characterization is essential in major characters”
Once again, all information about Kitana’s past suggests she was purely loyal to Shao Kahn, and yet, she chose to turn against him when she learned the truth about her past. A compelling character...so is it really a surprise she has gone on to become on the major heroes of the series?

4) “the best writing not only reveals true character, but arcs or changes that inner nature over the course of the story”
We’ve watched Kitana grow from this mysterious assassin who once served her evil step-father into this strong, heroic leader of her people and a diplomat over the course of the series. She is one of the very small few characters who has undergone an arc of change through the series.

5) “the key difference between a protagonist and supporting character, between hero and victim, is self-reliance; the protagonist must be able to achieve his/her goals under their own power”
As far as we know, Kitana learned the truth about herself, she did it herself. When she turned on Shao Kahn, she was alone and she made that choice herself. She fought Mileena. She escaped Outworld. She convinced Jade to join her. She freed Sindel. She led Edenia’s armies into Outworld.

Kitana was not just an effective and compelling protagonist overcoming conflict, she was a strong and independent hero capable of fulfilling her journey on her own. But lately in recent years, everything that’s made her story and character special seems to be chipping away.

That first great defining choice, turning against Shao Kahn, has been undermined or flat-out ignored more and more with each passing game. Either it’s not even acknowledged she was once a loyal servant of Kahn or it’s explained away as all due to some evil spell. This either flattens her character by taking away the revelation of true character completely...or it cheapens it into nothing.

Ignore this aspect of Kitana’s character, and all you’re really left with is this typical “heroic princess fighting to save her realm,” which is quickly becoming another problem. More and more, Kitana’s choices and conflicts seems to be made, less because that’s who she is as a character and what she wants...but more because she’s “one of the good guys.” And as “one of the good guys” she will only do whatever “one of the good guys” will do.

And this is what’s giving way to what I think may be the most damaging to her character: the removal of her self-reliance. She’s tied in a ill-conceived and poorly developed relationship with Liu Kang. And since Deadly Alliance, we’ve seen Kitana killed, enslaved, beaten, under spells, and taken prisoner whether the game was canon or not. Culminating in what I think has to be right up there alongside Shaolin Monks as one of the most degrading and humiliating portrayals of her character: the scenes in MK vs. DC where she is beaten by Scorpion, placed under a spell by Quan Chi, and led around like a mindless puppet.

All this does is trash her credibility as a fighter and hero...leaving fans with a sense she’s little more than a soft and fragile damsel in distress who can do nothing without her white bread knight in shining armor Liu Kang or ultra competent best friend Jade to hold her hand. What happened to the Kitana who served Shao Kahn as a cold-blooded assassin for thousands of years? What happened to bad ass ninja woman who fought and killed her deranged evil clone? What happened to lone warrior who almost single-handedly saved her realm from Outworld? Why has she been replaced by this pathetic creature who can’t even escape a simple armbar?

Adding insult to injury, look at MK vs. DC’s story mode. DC’s side has eight chapters. Mortal Kombat’s side has seven chapters. What MK characters were not given their own chapter? Kitana. Kano. And Baraka. This is who we’re equating Kitana, one of the main heroes of the story and one of the most popular characters, with? Two lower-level henchmen characters?

Could we chalk this all up to a simple lack of effort or care? Maybe...because story certainly isn’t the only place Kitana’s been lacking. I’ve been told Kitana plays great in MK vs. DC and that, in fact, this is the best she’s played since MK2...which, honestly, I think is a sad commentary in and of itself considering it’s been about fourteen years and she’s been in seven games since MK2. Maybe I would be happier about this though, if Kitana wasn’t sharing a move with Sonya Blade and stealing moves from Jade and Mileena.

I’ll say again, the fans are a unique and interesting weapon...and yet the extent we’ve seen Kitana do with them is a throw, a lift, and a slash. Now we’ve gotten to the point where she has to rip off one of the trademark moves of Mileena...that’s just sad. Kitana also hasn’t had a decent fatality since her debut. All she’s ever had is the Kiss of Death and a Decapitation. And finally, how much effort has gone into Kitana’s design through the years? All she’s even worn since day one is a variation of a blue and black bathing suit. Characters who originated as clones of her like Mileena, Jade, and Tanya have gone on to develop their own distinctive looks while Kitana remains eternally wearing the standard issue blue bathing suit.

I think what especially bothers me about this is how during on the developer Kasts, someone stated that MK vs. DC would be a “return to MK2 glory” for Kitana. I looked the other way on her recycled design and fatalities...as I understand the goal here was an “iconic” feeling...but I consider that claim as we have her also ripping off one of Mileena’s moves, being completely degraded in the story, and not even being allowed to have a story chapter of her own. And I have to ask: THIS is her return to glory?

If this pathetic display is really considered by the creators as some sort of return to glory then, in all honesty, they should just kill Kitana off and never speak of her again. Because this is embarrassing. As a Kitana fan, I’m embarrassed...just as I was embarrassed by her portrayal in Shaolin Monks. And I firmly believe Kitana should not be an embarrassing character.

There’s speculation that Kitana will be granted a story chapter as downloadable content, but frankly, that’s not good enough for me. I’m tired of seeing her treated as an afterthought. As a character thrown in to fill a quota. It’s been going on for years and I’m tired of it. She was planned to be in Mortal Kombat 3, but was left out...only to be added to UMK3. She was supposed to be in MK4, but left out at the last minute...only to be added to MK Gold. Too many times I’ve settled for less and Kitana should not be such a character.

Like I said, she has one of the strongest storylines in the game...until it gets officially retconned into oblivion. The fans remain a great weapon. And despite all the ways Kitana’s been treated as an afterthought through, she remains a popular and beloved character...though obviously not as popular as she was or can still be. And to be perfectly blunt, I think it’s pathetic. There’s no reason she should be treated this way. There’s no reason, no reason at all, why Kitana should not be one of the top faces of Mortal Kombat...up there with Scorpion, Sub-Zero, and Raiden.

Unless, you guys simply don’t want her to be. And if that is the case...again, kill her off and never speak of her again. I truly would rather see Kitana gone from the series altogether than to see her continue to sink into becoming this pathetic joke of wasted potential.


Sincerely,
a concerned fan


So yeah...I sent that to Midway HQ.

And again, like I said, I'm not counting on my complaint making much difference. Just a simple letter from a one man and I doubt the MK team gives a fuck what a lowly fan thinks.

But all the same, it felt pleasantly cathartic to get it out.
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11/20/2008 06:18 AM (UTC)
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Agree with you, but do expect a hord of "MKVSDC" cult members to come in and attack you.
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11/20/2008 06:42 AM (UTC)
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I know what your saying dude. I have always been a STRYKER fan, ever since his debut. Then in MKA, They gave his some BS ending, which btw had nothing to do with his original story, and it pissed me off. Midway got lazy and careless with him because most people hated him. IMO, It's a stupid ass move, but what can you expect. If these characters are not SCORPION OR SUB-ZERO, You might as well forget they ever existed.
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11/20/2008 06:50 AM (UTC)
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Not necessarily Ahnka. I happen to like the game. What they did with some of the characters was awesome. However, I am not blind, I will admit that other characters felt rushed (Wonder Woman?). It's clear that some characters got worked on a lot harder than some others.


I agree with everything that was said here. Kitana should not have been represented the way she was in this game. She wasn't true to character. Her inclusion actually DID feel like it was an after thought. She was portrayed as weak, scared, and easily controlled. Traits that should never be present in Kitana. It's the complete opposite of how she was introduced. If I had to make some kind of comparison it would be something like: They took Xena, and turned her into Princess Peach.

It was a great letter Xia, and hopefully the right people will read it.
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11/20/2008 08:10 AM (UTC)
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*sigh*

I agree, and support your message. I don't know how else to say that without busting down the post.
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11/20/2008 08:50 AM (UTC)
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MINION Wrote:
I know what your saying dude. I have always been a STRYKER fan, ever since his debut. Then in MKA, They gave his some BS ending, which btw had nothing to do with his original story, and it pissed me off. Midway got lazy and careless with him because most people hated him. IMO, It's a stupid ass move, but what can you expect. If these characters are not SCORPION OR SUB-ZERO, You might as well forget they ever existed.


I, too, am a massive fan of Stryker. I think there is something very charming about one of the world's most dangerous men being chosen to fight these aliens from other realms. It's probably why I like Matthew Riley's book, "Contest".

People shat on the character, and I never truly understood it. Reading Xia's fantastic message, when it came to the parts of challenges being placed in front of character to reveal its truth and depth, I honestly though about Stryker, and how captivating his story really could be if thought, planning and earnest-to-God heart went into it.

It's the same thing with all the characters. A writer needs empathy, to truly understand and appreciate the palette of characters and personalities in front of them. Getting lazy with a character is just not right. It's insulting, and a waste of space. I think Baraka is boring as bat-shit, but if I were writing a story for him, I'd at least breathe a little more life into him other than "he's the leader of his generic thug race."

I'm thinking the next game should restrict the number of characters it has so that the writing team can fully flesh them out, and give them some background, objectives and captivating stories.
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11/20/2008 10:48 AM (UTC)
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"Impressive".
"Puppet" and "embarrassment" are exactly the words I had in mind. Damn, they have something good in a sea of mediocrity and keep wasting it.
It is not a matter of being fans who whine about their favorite not being put on a pedestal: it's the pure idiocy of systematically breaking something that could work. If they were to kill off Kitana for good reason, fine, but none of these later ideas improves the story one bit.
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11/20/2008 01:40 PM (UTC)
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And why are you so quick to assume that your approach is the only one withstanding and correct?

And why are you so quick to condemn the intentions of the development team because it does not suit your tastes?

And why are you adamant on vindicating the rights of what should and what should be not concerning their VERY own creation?

And why are you so speedy (used quick) to nullify the letter with stating FAN? Not that it would matter anyway?

Is the notion opf your favourite appealing character being a secondary, tertiary character so appaling? If games are literature than you must abaddon the notion of BAD: every reception is valid. "There is no solid good or bad. Never were" -Sanjay Kumar, Oct. of 2008, Faculty of English Philology.
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11/20/2008 01:44 PM (UTC)
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TomTaz Wrote:
Not necessarily Ahnka. I happen to like the game. What they did with some of the characters was awesome. However, I am not blind, I will admit that other characters felt rushed (Wonder Woman?). It's clear that some characters got worked on a lot harder than some others.


I agree with everything that was said here. Kitana should not have been represented the way she was in this game. She wasn't true to character. Her inclusion actually DID feel like it was an after thought. She was portrayed as weak, scared, and easily controlled. Traits that should never be present in Kitana. It's the complete opposite of how she was introduced. If I had to make some kind of comparison it would be something like: They took Xena, and turned her into Princess Peach.

It was a great letter Xia, and hopefully the right people will read it.


Now thats what I call being honest and mature. But the other people who like the game on here seem blinded but hey, their opinion but when they start trying to jump you because you dislike the game and point out all the flaws the game has, thats when I get frustrated.
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11/20/2008 03:07 PM (UTC)
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Great letter and I wholeheartedly agree. However, instead of addressing it to. "Whom it may concern," maybe you could locate the e-mails of John Vogel or Ed Boon; some of the guys that might have a say over the story.

If there's one thing I know, it's that all letters addressed to, "Whom it may concern," usually wind up in the trash bin.
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11/20/2008 03:21 PM (UTC)
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Almost every major and every minor character has been shit on in the past. Why should YOUR favorite be immune?
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11/20/2008 03:48 PM (UTC)
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Kitana fans seem to be getting screwed over a lot lately.
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11/20/2008 04:16 PM (UTC)
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Chrome Wrote:
And why are you so quick to assume that your approach is the only one withstanding and correct?

And why are you so quick to condemn the intentions of the development team because it does not suit your tastes?

And why are you adamant on vindicating the rights of what should and what should be not concerning their VERY own creation?

And why are you so speedy (used quick) to nullify the letter with stating FAN? Not that it would matter anyway?

Is the notion opf your favourite appealing character being a secondary, tertiary character so appaling? If games are literature than you must abaddon the notion of BAD: every reception is valid. "There is no solid good or bad. Never were" -Sanjay Kumar, Oct. of 2008, Faculty of English Philology.


You really don't get it, Chrome. At this point, nobody is complaining about Kitana being a secondary, tertiary character: you are way off if you think it's just favoritism. I like Kitana a lot, and if they killed her off I can't say I would like it, but if they do that to advance the plot, to let good newer characters get their chance, looking at the bigger picture I would accept it.
To make me accept this shit they are doing, though, you must show me HOW making Kitana a weakling improves one single thing in the game's storyline. It doesn't make a damn thing better, sadly. I'm not demanding a pedestal for Kitana, rather to let her die with dignity.
What they did to Kitana in the story mode is excusable, up to a point. She has no chapter of her own, meaning she doesn't get to win one single fight, despite not being any weaker, as far as the canon story goes, than your average Earth fighter (I actually see her own most of them). Still, I can accept this: you don't play as her, as she is not so involved with Earth; losing some fights, most of which don't make sense at all thanks to the "rebalancing powers", could be normal. I never bitched about Kitana losing a fight or not being the greatest, strongest, most powerful, most important and so on. But for her scenes with Scorpion and Quan Chi, no excuses can be made. On her quest, she gets close to Dark Kahn, so she can witness the coming invasion and go back to warn the others. That could have been her great moment. Instead, she is so affected by "the rage" that she has to be captured (in a way that reminds me a awful lot of shitty Annihilation), brainwashed and pushed around, with the camera stopping to insist on her demented face: she has lost her mind, as Quan Chi reminds us.
Was this necessary? Why couldn't she reach the others and warn them on her own? All the characters, on both sides, suffer the effects of the rage, but they can snap out of it by themselves: Kitana is the only character who needs a babysitter to recover from the rage. Again: aside from pissing Kitana fans off, does this make the story any better?
This game is supposed to sell a lot to revitalize the franchise: is THIS how they want to show Kitana to a wider audience? As the only MK hero who is really just a poor little girl?
If so, then yes, XD and others have every right to tell the MK team how to treat decently one of their own creations.
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11/20/2008 04:42 PM (UTC)
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And how exactly your opinion relevant that to which is from the writer/creator in comparison?

Again, it just comes down to the fact that you do not like the things happening to her. Understandable, but you can not do a thing about it. Value it low, that may be an exeption.

And the absolute fact is that every video game character that is visualised from the outward (bless you Dr. Freeman) gets the fanbase from the look. Not story, nothing else, looks. First impressions.
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11/20/2008 04:57 PM (UTC)
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**I AM NOT BEING AN A$$ WHEN WRITING THIS SO BACK OFF ANY ANGRY KITANA FANS WHO DONT WANT TO HEAR AN OBJECTIVE VIEW:**

I’ve only heard horrible things about Kitana since she was announced, and now they are a lot worse, but the two things that seem to be alright with her is her gameplay and (at least for me) her Kiss of Doom Fatality.

I also find it unfair that some people don't think one has the right to express their anger or disappointment in this sort of thing. I'm more then sure that anyone here is/would be upset if their faves had been ruined. So, what's the big deal about writing a letter about it?....I'm guessing some will say the "way things are being expressed", and with that, I agree.

While I can understand the frustration, I don’t think many would agree with you on some parts, and with things like these, which don’t seem necessary:

What MK characters were not given their own chapter? Kitana. Kano. And Baraka. This is who we’re equating Kitana, one of the main heroes of the story and one of the most popular characters, with? Two lower-level henchmen characters?

While I can understand why you would say that, it is the way you phrase and express things that is important, and you are underestimating, undervaluing and bashing on two characters YOU don’t happen to like, and that you don’t consider to be popular or iconic enough.

As much as you say he isn’t, Kano is iconic in a lot more ways then you like to give him credit for. And apparently, both lower class characters are just as popular as Kitana, and judging by the way things were done in this self-proclaimed game of “Super-Iconic-important-characters”, they are a lot more. Sure they need development, but then again, they all do.

Could we chalk this all up to a simple lack of effort or care?

Grave accusation, seeing as how almost every other character (the a large majority apparently) was very good and some even perfect. Maybe this is just the way Kitana has been meant to be and perceived by them and fans since MK4?

But I don’t blame you, I would be very angry and complaining if my faves would had been ruined, not in the same way you did it though. I think there are ways of expressing what you feel without some of the things you said.

Characters who originated as clones of her like Mileena, Jade, and Tanya have gone on to develop their own distinctive looks while Kitana remains eternally wearing the standard issue blue bathing suit.

Mileena and Jade came exactly at the same time as Kitana. They are not clones of her, if anything, the three are clones of each other no matter who was created first because the three started in the same game, with the same look, and the same style. Jade was, indeed, a clone, but she, like Reptile, never got that label thanks to what was done to them later and their "secret" character excuse.

And Tanya, despite what was intended, was never really a clone of Kitana. In MK4, the ONLY thing that diminishes her originality is her Kiss of Doom rip off. There is nothing that screams Kitana in her, just the swim-suit, which to be fair, all the other girls have.

There’s no reason, no reason at all, why Kitana should not be one of the top faces of Mortal Kombat...up there with Scorpion, Sub-Zero, and Raiden.

And you forgot to mention Sonya Blade, as much as you hate her. You said you were being objective, and it is practically an undeniable fact that she is right up there with those 3.

Is this really your entire letter to the mk team?

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You really don't get it, Chrome....


You know, I find what you write confusing, mostly because of the looong discussions we had ages ago. You are one who diminishes characters just because you don't like them, and specially if they are proven to be accepted better then your faves in and outside the fan base.

I agree Kitana deserved better treatment, but you seem to be asking for her to be presented as *the* major female power force (I'm gathering info basing also in your other posts), and just maybe, even though she IS a powerful female and character, maybe she isn't as big and as superior as some of the others and as you want her to be? Because that's the idea that has been given about her since MK4.
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11/20/2008 04:58 PM (UTC)
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Chrome Wrote:
And how exactly your opinion relevant that to which is from the writer/creator in comparison?

Again, it just comes down to the fact that you do not like the things happening to her. Understandable, but you can not do a thing about it. Value it low, that may be an exeption.

And the absolute fact is that every video game character that is visualised from the outward (bless you Dr. Freeman) gets the fanbase from the look. Not story, nothing else, looks. First impressions.


And why exactly are you posting here if all you have to say is :"I don't care about your opinion?"
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11/20/2008 05:14 PM (UTC)
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Warlady Wrote:
Chrome Wrote:
And how exactly your opinion relevant that to which is from the writer/creator in comparison?

Again, it just comes down to the fact that you do not like the things happening to her. Understandable, but you can not do a thing about it. Value it low, that may be an exeption.

And the absolute fact is that every video game character that is visualised from the outward (bless you Dr. Freeman) gets the fanbase from the look. Not story, nothing else, looks. First impressions.


And why exactly are you posting here if all you have to say is :"I don't care about your opinion?"


It's Chrome. He does that.
And Queve, Tanya was absolutely a Kitana clone in MK4. Her model was originally intended to BE Kitana, but they decided they didn't have enough new characters so they changed the colors. You can still see the light skin, blue clothes version in the arcade and N64 versions of Liu Kang's ending.
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11/20/2008 05:30 PM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:


It's Chrome. He does that.

And Queve, Tanya was absolutely a Kitana clone in MK4. Her model was originally intended to BE Kitana, but they decided they didn't have enough new characters so they changed the colors. You can still see the light skin, blue clothes version in the arcade and N64 versions of Liu Kang's ending.


Chrome is saying a lot more then what he is being accused of saying.

As for Tanya, no doubt about that, but as much as her model was intended to be Kitana (would had been a very pretty Kitana), it was "changed" to be anything but Kitana. The only Kitana thing is the kiss fatality, but other then that, she is less of a clone then Jade and Mileena "are".

Her acrobatic style is very unlike Kitana, same with her special moves and weapon. Even the hair style, but I agree that would have been a very pretty hair style for Kitana.

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11/20/2008 05:37 PM (UTC)
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All it takes to BE a palette swap is to have a swapped palette.
There's no shame in being one. It seems to have worked out pretty damn well for Reptile and Ermac.
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11/20/2008 05:44 PM (UTC)
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Sadly, I feel this is an unavoidable part of following an MK character for any length of time. You start playing a character and get into them. Then, as years progress, the MK creative team will inevitably take that character in whatever direction is convenient for that particular game.

I say these things as a devout Scorpion fan who's seen his favorite character go from a relentless sprit of vengeance (cool, imo) to a sappy protector to a brainless puppet etc etc (not cool, imo). I've grown to ignore the storylines.

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11/20/2008 06:29 PM (UTC)
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Thanks much for the responses. I'm glad to see I'm not alone in feeling Kitana got severely short-changed here.


Warlady Wrote:
Damn, they have something good in a sea of mediocrity and keep wasting it.
It is not a matter of being fans who whine about their favorite not being put on a pedestal: it's the pure idiocy of systematically breaking something that could work. If they were to kill off Kitana for good reason, fine, but none of these later ideas improves the story one bit.

My thoughts exactly. Whether the MK team realizes it or not, they stumbled onto a genuinely effective character...by dumb luck, because it clearly wasn't planned...and it baffles and frustrates me that they seem determined to bury everything about her that made such.


Chrome Wrote:
And why are you so quick to assume that your approach is the only one withstanding and correct?

I don't. I'm well aware there are no set rules in storytelling.
However, in regard to Mortal Kombat, the standard for the storyline is set above the most basic and simplistic...fans, for the most part, want more compelling and thought out stories & characters. But storytelling is clearly not the MK team's day-job, nor is it their top priority, so I don't expect them to delve into the avant-garde and radical. So, at the very least, I think they should show some relevance to some of the base principles of storytelling (eg: characters must have conflict; character contrasting characterization is a good thing; etc).


Chrome Wrote:
And why are you so quick to condemn the intentions of the development team because it does not suit your tastes?

Because I'm a customer with a financial and emotional investment in the property. If the intentions of the team does not suit my tastes, then I should take my money elsewhere and put my emotional attachment to rest.

And I wouldn't say I'm quick to condemn. I've rolled with a lot of punches and looked the other way on a lot of shit.


Chrome Wrote:
And why are you adamant on vindicating the rights of what should and what should be not concerning their VERY own creation?

I think it's important to vindicate her because I don't want to risk being written off as just some crazy Kitana fanboy who's mad simply because his favorite character lost a fight. That runs the risk of making me appear pretentious, I know...but it's important to establish that Kitana is a legitimately good character (by Mortal Kombat standards at least) based on some frame of reference and not merely because she happens to be my personal favorite.


Chrome Wrote:
And why are you so speedy (used quick) to nullify the letter with stating FAN? Not that it would matter anyway?

Because I'm realistic and have a dim view of humanity. And also, while I may have a better grasp of storytelling than the average bear, I am still just a lowly fan. As much as I would like to end the letter stating I am some literary professor or best selling author to give my thoughts some further merit....I sadly am not.


Chrome Wrote:
Is the notion opf your favourite appealing character being a secondary, tertiary character so appaling?

It is for me. I share Warlady's thoughts on this matter. I don't need Kitana to be the overall main heroine, but I would like her to at least remain a competent individual protagonist. And I can't stand to see her downgraded to some damsel in distress, especially for the sake of less deserving characters. It really does disgust me that Kitana is made to look inferior for the sake of someone like Liu Kang, who even at his best, was always a mediocre character. And it still doesn't even improve him.


Chrome Wrote:
And how exactly your opinion relevant that to which is from the writer/creator in comparison?

It is and it isn't. At the end of the day, they're the creators and what they say goes. But I'm a customer and I'm more-or-less funding it. And if the MK team can justify the artistic integrity of making Kitana out to be a fool, then I'll shut up.


Chrome Wrote:
Again, it just comes down to the fact that you do not like the things happening to her. Understandable, but you can not do a thing about it.

Sure I can. I can take the money I would've spent on this game and spend it on Street Fighter IV. It won't make a great deal of difference to the MK franchise and will likely not improve Kitana...but I'll at least have peace of mind.


Chrome Wrote:
And the absolute fact is that every video game character that is visualised from the outward (bless you Dr. Freeman) gets the fanbase from the look. Not story, nothing else, looks. First impressions.

Kitana hasn't even excelled there either.


reppy Wrote:
Great letter and I wholeheartedly agree. However, instead of addressing it to. "Whom it may concern," maybe you could locate the e-mails of John Vogel or Ed Boon; some of the guys that might have a say over the story.

If there's one thing I know, it's that all letters addressed to, "Whom it may concern," usually wind up in the trash bin.

Interesting. I didn't know that.


TheAdder Wrote:
Almost every major and every minor character has been shit on in the past. Why should YOUR favorite be immune?

queve Wrote:
While I can understand why you would say that, it is the way you phrase and express things that is important, and you are underestimating, undervaluing and bashing on two characters YOU don’t happen to like, and that you don’t consider to be popular or iconic enough.

As much as you say he isn’t, Kano is iconic in a lot more ways then you like to give him credit for. And apparently, both lower class characters are just as popular as Kitana, and judging by the way things were done in this self-proclaimed game of “Super-Iconic-important-characters”, they are a lot more. Sure they need development, but then again, they all do.

See, this is why I made a point of explaining how Kitana succeeds in following the principles of storytelling. As I said to Chrome, otherwise, people think I'm just some fanboy who only believes Kitana's the best because she happens to be my favorite. Some people may be unhappy to realize, but some characters are objectively not good, or at least, not as good as others.Yes, I know...how dare I say that?! I must only being saying that because I'm just a crazy Kitana fanboy, right..? What the hell do I know about storytelling?
Now I'm not saying Kitana IS the best character ever in Mortal Kombat. All I'm saying is, she's got a hell of a greater advantage than a lot of others.

I like Reiko. He's one of my favorite characters, always has been. But I would be a fucking idiot if I tried to tell someone he was a character deserving of some special place in the MK hierchy. He's a shallow, underdeveloped, non-character who was only thrown into the game either for the sake of filling a quota or completion. Now can they and would I like to see them make Reiko into something more? Sure...depending on what they do. But does he "deserve" it more than a lot of other characters? No. He may not be the bottom of the list, but is he at the top? Not even close.

I've been seeing people say that as bad as Kitana is in this game, I should be happy she at least IS in the game. No. When Reiko gets into a game, I should be happy he's even there. When Kintaro gets into a game, I should be happy he's even there. As much as I love Sareena, and even though I can make a case why she objectively deserves attention, I'm well aware she's nowhere near the top of the food chain yet. And if she does get there, I will be lucky she did.

Kitana SHOULD NOT BE ONE OF THESE CHARACTERS. That's the point of my letter.
Kano is a shallow and one-note character who despite being around for years, still hasn't become much. His design is really not that impressive. Baraka...hey, I like Baraka...but he's Mortal Kombat's orc. And um, unless I've been missing something, whenever someone complains about how Mileena or Johnny Cage or Reptile or Kung Lao didn't make it into the game...which two names are being questioned more than anyone else?

Kitana should not be regarded on the same level as these guys. There's no reason for it unless the MK team wants her to be.


queve Wrote:
Maybe this is just the way Kitana has been meant to be and perceived by them and fans since MK4?

Then as I said, they should kill her off. Because it's not just embarrassing as a fan that they're taking this genuinely good character and treating her like a second-stringer, it's aggravating as someone who knows a little something about storytelling and appreciates good writing. They stumbled ass backwards into a good character who can easily be much more and they're not only NOT doing it, they seem to be UNdoing what was there.


queve Wrote:
Mileena and Jade came exactly at the same time as Kitana. They are not clones of her, if anything, the three are clones of each other no matter who was created first because the three started in the same game, with the same look, and the same style. Jade was, indeed, a clone, but she, like Reptile, never got that label thanks to what was done to them later and their "secret" character excuse.

And Tanya, despite what was intended, was never really a clone of Kitana. In MK4, the ONLY thing that diminishes her originality is her Kiss of Doom rip off. There is nothing that screams Kitana in her, just the swim-suit, which to be fair, all the other girls have.

Meaningless semantics and excuses.
Mileena was created, by the MK team's admission, to be a rival for Kitana...therefore, Kitana came first and Mileena was based off of her. Jade was thrown in because they wanted another secret character like Reptile, so they pallete swapped Kitana. Kitana was supposed to be in MK4, but at the last minute, changed the colors of her model and made up a new story.

All three characters were based on Kitana. Like them or not, whether they've grown into individuals or not, they originated as clones of her.


queve Wrote:
And you forgot to mention Sonya Blade, as much as you hate her. You said you were being objective, and it is practically an undeniable fact that she is right up there with those 3.

If she is, that sickens me more than anything. And does she even deserve to be? But that's an entirely different topic I'm not going to get into.


Aculeus Wrote:Sadly, I feel this is an unavoidable part of following an MK character for any length of time. You start playing a character and get into them. Then, as years progress, the MK creative team will inevitably take that character in whatever direction is convenient for that particular game.

I say these things as a devout Scorpion fan who's seen his favorite character go from a relentless sprit of vengeance (cool, imo) to a sappy protector to a brainless puppet etc etc (not cool, imo). I've grown to ignore the storylines.

Our expectations betray us.

Depressingly true.

I'm glad though you mentioned Scorpion, because for me what's happened to him is related to what's happening with Kitana.
Once upon a time, Scorpion was my overall number one favorite and a lot of it had to do with the principles of storytelling: characterization, he faced choices and conlict, and he made choices that contrasted his characterization. However, in recent years, they've undone or ignored most of that....and I used to go on and on a lot about how much I hated that. Now it's gotten to the point where I don't even care, or at times outright dislike Scorpion. And I don't want to see the same thing happen to Kitana.

However, with Scorpion there was a clash in how his fans preferred him. I know you and many other Scorpion fans prefer him as the creazed spectre seeking vengeance, while myself and other fans prefer him as the more noble anti-hero.

With Kitana though....I think pretty much everyone agrees: being a damsel in distress sucks.
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TheAdder
11/20/2008 06:49 PM (UTC)
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You've kinda missed my point.

Johnny Cage in MK3 and 4

Jax in MK DA

Liu Kang in MK:D and MK:A

Scorpion in MK:A

Sonya's face since MK:DA

All of them have been fucked up in the past, this game was simply Kitana's turn.
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RazorsEdge701
11/20/2008 06:55 PM (UTC)
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Pfft, Dying and coming back was the best, most dramatic thing that ever happened for Johnny Cage. It was Deadly Alliance that fucked him. Everyone knows that. (Actually, better make that second best. The best is giving him the catchphrase "You just got Caged!")

And I happen to like Liu as a zombie.
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queve
11/20/2008 07:16 PM (UTC)
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And um, unless I've been missing something, whenever someone complains about how Mileena or Johnny Cage or Reptile or Kung Lao didn't make it into the game...which two names are being questioned more than anyone else?


That is true, but to be fair, Mileena was highly demanded in place of Kitana by a whole bunch of people in the forums.

Meaningless semantics and excuses.
Mileena was created, by the MK team's admission, to be a rival for Kitana...therefore, Kitana came first and Mileena was based off of her. Jade was thrown in because they wanted another secret character like Reptile, so they pallete swapped Kitana. Kitana was supposed to be in MK4, but at the last minute, changed the colors of her model and made up a new story.

All three characters were based on Kitana. Like them or not, whether they've grown into individuals or not, they originated as clones of her.


You do make a point. They might had originated from Kitana, therefore the word clone is being properly used, but the ultimate results are what make them far from being clones of Kitana in the complete-general sense. Point is, they have as much of a right as she has, and she has no superiority over them for being "the first created".

queve Wrote:
And you forgot to mention Sonya Blade, as much as you hate her. You said you were being objective, and it is practically an undeniable fact that she is right up there with those 3.

If she is, that sickens me more than anything. And does she even deserve to be? But that's an entirely different topic I'm not going to get into.


She obviously is.

And for the sake of the topic, I’ll just say she deserves it and end it here. Apparently, her appearance in this game is defined only as “Perfect” by a vast majority of fans. From the little I’ve seen, she is bada$$ and its impossible not to AT LEAST appreciate and admit all the wonders they did with her. Denying that would be the fanboy attitude speaking, not the objective realistic one.

TheAdder Wrote:
You've kinda missed my point.

Johnny Cage in MK3 and 4

Jax in MK DA

Liu Kang in MK:D and MK:A

Scorpion in MK:A

Sonya's face since MK:DA

All of them have been fucked up in the past, this game was simply Kitana's turn.


LOL.

Sonya would like to have a word with you. The renders weren’t the best job ever from the Mk team, that is true, but her in-game model, VS pic, Kollectors edition cover, Comic book pictures and everything else proves otherwise. Sonya looks fuc*ing gorgeous in the game, making me a very very happy fan. grin

"A pretty flower for the pretty lady"...."GET THE HELL AWAY FROM ME YOU...!!!"

And I also happened to like Liu Kang Zombie, though I DO admit that the best thing that happened to him was death. That was such a glorious shocking moment with MKDA.

And, I'm curious, why Johnny in MK4?

RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Pfft, Dying and coming back was the best, most dramatic thing that ever happened for Johnny Cage. It was Deadly Alliance that fucked him. Everyone knows that.

And I happen to like Liu as a zombie.


1.- Agreed on the MKDA things.
2.- Agree on the zombie thing, though death had a bigger value.
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11/20/2008 07:24 PM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Warlady Wrote:
Chrome Wrote:
And how exactly your opinion relevant that to which is from the writer/creator in comparison?

Again, it just comes down to the fact that you do not like the things happening to her. Understandable, but you can not do a thing about it. Value it low, that may be an exeption.

And the absolute fact is that every video game character that is visualised from the outward (bless you Dr. Freeman) gets the fanbase from the look. Not story, nothing else, looks. First impressions.


And why exactly are you posting here if all you have to say is :"I don't care about your opinion?"


It's Chrome. He does that.



It is not wether I care about your opinions or not. The point is, should or should not the forumite like what is happening to Kits, their, and everyone's elses interpretation and experience is equal. The opinions and theories have little to do with me, or you, or with us all. Even if I care about your opinions they do not become anything more or less valid for one thing.

By all, I wish XDhun's efforts would be the proverbial mallet in the face for the MK team - even if I do not completely agree / or at times wholeheartedly oppose with her ideas about Kitana.

Now give Shang's robes back, Vandal Savage is looking for his chinese party costume...
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