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08/27/2006 01:12 AM (UTC)
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Lol, and were back to point one. Here we have Baraka a fairly powerful MK fighter then Sabertooth... who seemingly cannot be killed after being Stabbed in the heart, brains and stomach AND ran over with a hummer as he gets up "20 pages" later as if it was nothing.

Now Baraka.. is very similar as wolverine BUT doesnt have the Ultra fast recovery and well its just plain not really recovering anymore... but Regeneration ( Can Wolverine actually die? I mean I heard he was exploded by Nitro and ONLY his adamantium skeleton was still there and he STILL regenerated... Wow some originality xD ), the ultra keen senses, the ultimate leeteness of the ultimate X-Men Characters. Actually... their ONLY resemblance is the choice of wepons they use... BUT Wolverine already fought Sabertooth and to no avail... HMMM tough choice... as much as I hate to.. I have to give it to Sabertooth ( IF we are using facts.. because deep down Id rather see Baraka kick his ass but highly unlikely )

Is their a Mutant in X-Men that ISNT over powered? I KNOW WHO MK fighters can defeat the mutant who has power over COTTAGE CHEESE! -.- Puuuulease.. and to be honest I wouldnt be surprised if that guy was untouchable for some reason or another..

Man I used to love X-Men because they were actually vulnerable.. and my favorite was Sabertooth... but as time passed on I guess he got Ultra powerful as well.

Well MKF... until they put up Raiden vs [Insert any Mutant name here] we wont really be winning any matches xD. There was that one with Pyro and Blaze... but towards the end the answers were switching around so we got lucky cuz of time.

No matter what the outcome... GO MORTAL KOMBAT FIGHTERS, die gloriously versus seemingly unstoppable forces that cannot die. Hey wait can they die of age? If so all MK ppl have to do is hide and wait till they all too old.. maybe we can get a draw that way xD.

Anyways, Im sure Ill "angry" some X-Men fanboys out there.. not that I care I love to laugh at these pointless fights and even though I think its rediculous I love seeing people flame each other over these xD

Anyways after all that ranting.. My vote goes to Sabertooth since its X-Men. Maybe one day we will see SSJ5 Sabertooth ( for more originality xD )
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08/27/2006 04:13 AM (UTC)
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Raiden still wouldnt beat most people in x-men. Phoenix, magneto, xavier, sinister, apocolypse, vulcen, etc. etc. Raiden would get his ass kicked.

As for your other comments, You dont like x-men because there so powerful? Its the fact that mk isnt so powerful, mk fighters were built to fight mk fighters, marvel characters are built to fight marvel characters, dbz to dbz, etc. etc.

Sure you can compare, but, a universe of characters is meant for its own universe. And that shit you said about wolverine, down to the skeleton, which is true, and it was fucking badass at that, its called selling a comic. They make characters powerful, and EXPAND ON A CHARACTERS STORY to sell and keep the fans happy.

The picture of wolverine bout to fight with just a skeleton is insane, and it really shows how much of a badass wolvie is.

And i dont really think being a fanboy has anything to do with it. If its a clear cut victory for the other side, than its a victory for the other side. If any of those characters i've mentioned or that have been in a battle so far were to be in the mk universe you would have to go mk. From what you've said its just a mk lover upset because the x-men are winning a forum battle.

I love mk to the fullest, take away zelda and mario and its my favorite video game franchise ever. And i will admit, ima huge marvel fan too, i buy marvel comics every week, but it doesnt change the fact on some of these battles. So far, besides pyro and nightcrawler, every x-man thats battled is a super powered mutant.

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08/27/2006 04:41 AM (UTC)
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Dont think you got what I said at the bottom of the post.. where its clearly stated that I dont care... I think these things are funny because people argue over whos better. I CLEARLY know that X-Men is stronger, and personally I dont give a crap if MK loses... but if you're gonna make a tournament between two franchise.. try and get two that are atleast comparable... I mean whatever argument MK is gonna get... well you have the ultra TOO powerful powers of X-Men... and I dont hate X-Men for having powerful characters... I dont like it because its CLICHE of on going series... where all the characters get stronger.. and stronger and the comic authors seem to forget about limits... where at one point enough is enough.. I dont doubt you when you say Wolvie is bad ass... just when your only shit left are bones... how the fuck do you wanna come back? Plus his bones arent even normal bones... they are metal.. which has no life capacity of its own.. How the hell do you wanna regenerate human flesh through metal bones.. even though its fiction a minimum of logic is needed. I dont care about MK being "weak" and X-Men being "powerful" but if we already KNOW as a FACT that X-Men wins... ( except for Raiden vs a few x-men characters.. ) whats the point of this? To argue a losing battle? I mean the whole point of argugin/debating is because both have arguments that can change opinions.. now anyone hearing about Sabertooth/Wolverine/Phoenix/Iceman can not find any viable FACTs that MK could win...

Im only arguing because this thread is mostly about arguing and debating, but I wont debate on something I know is wrong... MK cant win.. its obvious, like fanboys of MK will vote for MK and fanboys of X-Men will vote X-Men.. but whoever uses the facts.. well its obvious X-Men wins ( and its these facts that breaks or makes oppinions ) and since MK have very lil facts besides the games ( where shit is very limited ).. this fight is pretty much over.

What Im trying to say, just give the god damn tournament to X-Men and start a new X-Men vs A Comparable series or an MK vs a comparable series... the battle was lost for MK before the tournament even started..

I think I speak for many where they can actually argue over the skills and abilities of one or the other character and actually picture a fight in their head... all I picture is a lot of Fatalaties on MK fighters :P
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08/27/2006 11:44 AM (UTC)
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Here's how I see this fight:
-Sabertooth kicked Psylocke's ass, she could kick Baraka's
-Sabertooth is one of marvel's most brutal killers, and he can recover from pretty much anything....

-Baraka is pretty enduring (Shaolin Monks)
-Was defeated by Kung Lao!!! and sliced in half....
-is not the most smartest by any means

Sabertooth wins..

even from a videogame point of view Sabertooth (Marvel Vs. games) is MUCH faster and stronger than Baraka... the only advantage Baraka has is a better projectile, since Birdy is kinda crappy... but stil Saber would win
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08/27/2006 02:21 PM (UTC)
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Now this is kinda interesting, especialy considering Raiden as one of the only real contenders vs a marvel character.

This is what I was talking about with MKF a couple pages ago. Raiden would not loose to a marvel character such as Magneto. Natural aging would definatly be a factor in a battle like this because Raiden is forever//A God. Been that way since the beginning so you can only anticipate he will remain that way.

Now, as far as powers are conserned, Magneto can control the element Raiden holds god hood over on a atomical level. But that does not defeat a god of thunder and lightning either. To defeat an elemental god would be to defeat the element itself. Imagine for a second Magneto manipulating his own elemental control trying to defeat a god. Not very smart on the proclaimed 'genius' part if you ask me.

Besides that, there is the issue of manipulating Raidens physical form. Even down to the molecular aspect of Raiden, he would still hold "God-hood" over the element. Thus, as long as the elements of thunder and lightning exsisted, Raiden needs no physical form to be "alive".

Take that in for a second......

The human body is a virtual battery, largly relying on electro-magnetic pules to keep it'self alive. The heart....friction.....negative and positive poles in our own atomosphere. That alone could allow Raiden exsistance and in effect, a threat to a character as powerful as Magneto. No matter what Magneto would manipulate of the physical form of a Raiden "God of thunder and Lightning". Raiden doesn't need to take a physical form to kill a mutant.

So unless Magneto was willing to sacrifice himself and evrey thing magentic in the realm of this universe to effectivly "kill" Raiden, he would be fighting a loosing battle. Remember, Magneto is a human..........with overly exceptional powers no less. But a human. He has to rest and consume energy to stay alive in some form or another. Raiden does not and we know this.

On the other hand, Magneto is a genius in molecular stuctures and common sense of his powers. Overly, in fact. So much so that he can clone a grown human, create organisms, and disect and assemble extremly difficult mechanics with a mere thought. Not to mention he could effect our known universal settings with his powers though consentration. In the eyes of humans that is a "God".
Magneto is not to be taken lightly in any sense of his description. He could most definatly fight a god and have more than a "chance" of winning.

He is capable of cloning himself if you look between the lines here and teach himself of future or past events though that clones timed placement. I believe this was shown to us through a comic or two, but since I'm not sure...I will not comment further.

IF...he was smart (pun right? he's a genius) enough, and capitolized on the opportunity he might be able to capture the human form of Raiden and prevent a battle in the first place from happening. (in mortal kombat he took the form of a human like teice right?)But what's more likley during confontation from Magneto to Raiden? The easiest ways he could think of, he would try to defeat Raiden right then.

IMO, No Go for Magneto.

For facts like these I believe Raiden could defeat some, if not all of the people in Ermac36s' post at the top. Proffesor X, Mr. Sinister, Vulcen, and maybe even Apocolypse. (yes, even Apocolypse if you size them up correctly)

Apocalypse needs to move his "energy" and or "consciousness" to sustain long life. Raiden doesn't. "Apocalypse is a mutant with the ability to alter his atomic structure." So does Raiden have that capabilty, but within his own element(one limitation there).

"He(Apocalypse) has super strength, does not seem to need sustenance of any kind, and can recover from devastating physical injuries that would kill most humans and mutants."
Raiden has proven all this to us as well. Look him up. Raiden could very well win here too.

I used quotes from this site, both definitions of Apocalypses' powers and abilities. Find both Apocalypses' descriptions on this page here. Now tell me I'm wrong.

Raiden, my most favorite MK character of all time is a "monster" in battle when you break down the powers. And he could most definatly compete with some of the most powerful mutants in the marvel universe......and win.


Think again guys I am not a "fanboy"

One this current battle, and the comparison between Baraka and Wolverine, Baraka would loose man. It's not an even match at all. The "healing" abilities of both Sabertooth and even greater Wolverine surpass anything Baraka and his hordes would be likey to do to them. They can die, Wolverine and Sabertooth, but nothing short of catastarophic damage to the brain would suffice. Yes, yes, the skeleton thing with Wolveine. The brain is protected by the skeleton. Sabertooth and Wolverines skeletons are the most protective metal you can imagine. No "impale" or attempt at a decapitation from Barakas' "swing" or swipe is going to so the trick. It's just not. Wolverine takes anything you can throw at him and recovers. You'd have to drop like a mountain on Sabertooth or Wolverine in order to just stop their persuit of you. i.e. send them to regeneration "hell"(can't move but stay alive the whole time).

See folks they have vulnerabilities, you just have to find them. That's why marvel is so fun to us. The whole question of.........
"How the hell do you beat that?"

Hide and go seek time when it comes to marvel characters......
Now, try and "find" the vulnerability in the following battles and exploit them through the facts of that character and the character you favor.

And then explain it to us logically.

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08/27/2006 07:00 PM (UTC)
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08/27/2006 07:47 PM (UTC)
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Well, on one on one duel, baraka bites the dust most certainly.
If Sabertooth is surrrounded by at least 7 competent tarkatan warriors using pack-tactics (the bane of the outnumbered) he falls. Always. No
warrior can defend himself against such overwhelming odds.
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08/27/2006 09:52 PM (UTC)
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unfortunately i think lui kang would lose even though he does have the fireballs his claws would block them and then go through his body.......ouch
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08/27/2006 09:57 PM (UTC)
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ohhhhhhhh so sub-zero if you havent watch the new movie hes always falling and sub-zero is supreme to alot of people hed riip his spine out FATALITY!!!!!!!!
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08/27/2006 10:00 PM (UTC)
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shit i did it wrong
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08/27/2006 10:04 PM (UTC)
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if it had to come to a decision i think sadly xmen would win there are more of them and more powers although the one s mortal kombat are powerful i do believe overall xmen takes the rap and i hate to sayt this
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08/27/2006 10:59 PM (UTC)
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First, welcome to the MKO but Dude, Lol!

Stop posting over and over. *chuckles* You can edit the one post if you need to add something. If you double and triple post like that you could get skulled, which is a path to getting banned from this site. heheh wow, 4 post man? Yea man don't do that.
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08/27/2006 11:20 PM (UTC)
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There you go Predator, that was an AWESOME post. Thing is though.. Raiden is probably the strongest MK Character along with the Elder Gods. The rest of the fighters are mostly all humans.. with MANY normal human weaknesses... like you stab em they bleed and hurt.. no matter what. They have limited abilities and are very much like normal humans except with strength, speed and concentration much higher then average humans. Yet.. a bullet to the head STILL kills a Mortal Kombat Character.. as to Marvel... I highly doubt it would really stop them from much. Now MK has its exceptions like Scorpion who is already dead and will keep coming back but still can be killed in a sense. As far as the stronger MK characters... well lets just say if The Worlds MK Champion can die from having ONE shot of flame to his back then breaking his neck and thats the end of him.. I cannot really see much of a chance versus Marvel.

Lets break down Wolverine versus Scorpion ( Two of the most popular characters in their respective franchise )

Wolverine : Can regenerate/recover, has Adamantium Skeleton the strongest Substance in the world. Extremely developped senses like smell, taste, eye sight and hearing. Over the top skills in martial arts. We know the brain has to be fucked up to kill him.. but the adamantium protects it. Highly skilled with all sorts of weapons, especially the Katana.

Scorpion : Can teleport, has a Spear at the end of a rope as a primary special attack ( yeah I know what you're thinking ). Can bring up Flames from Hell itself. Extreme Skills in martial arts as well. Very good with the Katana/Ninja Sword. A spectre.. so he keeps coming back.

Alright them are probably two of the most popular and strongest characters of the series without going into Gods and Omega Mutants.

Just to make it quick.. we see that Scorpion has no chance to win because IF he could actually hit him ( which I think he could ) the damage would only be recovered.. but even as a spectre he seems to have endurance and all the other weaknesses a human has. Wolverine would about massacre him. Now I know these two are examples and there are many more combattants in MK world.. but honestly besides Raiden..we have Scorpion/SubZero/Shao Khan/Dragon King/Blaze... and they can all defeat each other... but we know that Wolverine could probably kill each of these characters with only his martial arts...

Plus Wolverine isnt even the strongest mutant, there are a bunch out there even more powerful then him. Lets face it MK has close to no chance in winning this.

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08/28/2006 12:00 AM (UTC)
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Check the konquests again. Scorpion does NOT come back after each of his deaths. Remember, he still had to find means to escape the Nethers.
Plus, there is something about his Netheressence mentioned in MKDA I think.
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08/28/2006 03:11 AM (UTC)
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Hey guts, I see what you're saying but I'll still stand by those battles like Iceman and Sub for example, besides like I said for what it's worth this is the first site where sub lost that match up, since I discussed it at other sites MK and not.And not all marvel guys would beat every MK character, there are match ups I can think of that aren't listed yet that would not favor Marvel.

Anyway, yeah I would have voted for Chameleon but too late, and I can't see how she would have beaten a guy with ALL of those powers seriously.

In the game you could only choose one at a time based on random ninja power in MKT.

But say he had all of them at once, I'm going with Chameleon.

Anyway, for the current vote:Baraka(even though I don't like him that much)

He has his hordes, no rule against what they can use and not use, his hordes would overpower Sabertooth, weaken him then Baraka would impale his blade right through Sabertooth.




Mkf, i have a little question, how come in the noob fight and this one your bringing up there group? This isnt a battle of whos bringing help. Its sabertooth vs baraka, not sabertooth vs baraka and when baraka gets messed up call on his tarkata. I just was wondering why. And if you want to go to that extent, sabertooth can call on the brotherhood and then its over period.



Well, there's no rules establishing that technically.I mean besides, a lot of the match ups are ridiculous anyway Noob vs. a guy that's practically invincible?Lol I mean come on..so why not have him call upon the brother of the shadow?

Same with Baraka, although with baraka I think it's easier for him too since he's the leader of the hordes.
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mkflegend Wrote:
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Hey guts, I see what you're saying but I'll still stand by those battles like Iceman and Sub for example, besides like I said for what it's worth this is the first site where sub lost that match up, since I discussed it at other sites MK and not.And not all marvel guys would beat every MK character, there are match ups I can think of that aren't listed yet that would not favor Marvel.

Anyway, yeah I would have voted for Chameleon but too late, and I can't see how she would have beaten a guy with ALL of those powers seriously.

In the game you could only choose one at a time based on random ninja power in MKT.

But say he had all of them at once, I'm going with Chameleon.

Anyway, for the current vote:Baraka(even though I don't like him that much)

He has his hordes, no rule against what they can use and not use, his hordes would overpower Sabertooth, weaken him then Baraka would impale his blade right through Sabertooth.




Mkf, i have a little question, how come in the noob fight and this one your bringing up there group? This isnt a battle of whos bringing help. Its sabertooth vs baraka, not sabertooth vs baraka and when baraka gets messed up call on his tarkata. I just was wondering why. And if you want to go to that extent, sabertooth can call on the brotherhood and then its over period.



Well, there's no rules establishing that technically.I mean besides, a lot of the match ups are ridiculous anyway Noob vs. a guy that's practically invincible?Lol I mean come on..so why not have him call upon the brother of the shadow?

Same with Baraka, although with baraka I think it's easier for him too since he's the leader of the hordes.


Ok, you know what, I've had enough with you judging my battles and stating them as 'one-sided' and 'ridiculous'. Maybe you don't quite understand that I'm trying to make these battles as fair as possible and I'm trying to make the best out of it. Your complaining that I put Noob up against Cannonball. You need to understand I have over 50 battles and I have a certain number of X-Men characters to deal with. I need to choose X-Men characters that are well-known in the Marvel universe and that are capable of participating in this tournament..

What your trying to say is that if I put a character like Moira MacTaggert (an X-Men character who is human and has no powers) up against a Mortal Kombat fighter it will be a fair match. Cannonball & Noob Saibot are two characters that are pretty damn dominant in their franchises. They are popular and powerful. I took that into consideration and put them together.

With that said, how about you do me a big favor mkf and give me some battles that you would consider "fair" & ThePredator151 & I will overlook them and find out whether or not they are appropiate. I would just like to see your view on this whole tournament.

I will post the results to Battle #10 tommorow...
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08/28/2006 04:16 AM (UTC)
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Sorry man, just expressing my view man.You want a serious match up, how about Reptile vs. Toad?

Invisibility vs. Speed?Both reptilian like?

Something like that man, I just feel that a lot of these matches are one sided favored towards Xmen as I said before man.Nothing personal.

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Ok, you know what, I've had enough with you judging my battles and stating them as 'one-sided' and 'ridiculous'. Maybe you don't quite understand that I'm trying to make these battles as fair as possible and I'm trying to make the best out of it. Your complaining that I put Noob up against Cannonball. You need to understand I have over 50 battles and I have a certain number of X-Men characters to deal with. I need to choose X-Men characters that are well-known in the Marvel universe and that are capable of participating in this tournament..

What your trying to say is that if I put a character like Moira MacTaggert (an X-Men character who is human and has no powers) up against a Mortal Kombat fighter it will be a fair match. Cannonball & Noob Saibot are two characters that are pretty damn dominant in their franchises. They are popular and powerful. I took that into consideration and put them together.

With that said, how about you do me a big favor mkf and give me some battles that you would consider "fair" & ThePredator151 & I will overlook them and find out whether or not they are appropiate. I would just like to see your view on this whole tournament.

I will post the results to Battle #10 tommorow...


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08/28/2006 09:17 AM (UTC)
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I agree with your breakdown of the characters there, and I was hoping you saw the infinite sign in that battle. One can't be hurt enough by the other(Wolverine by Scorpion), and one can't be killed...again(Scorpion). Ultimatly, i think Scorpion would just get his ass whooped for how ever long Wolveine was alive, coming back over and over trying to get revenge for the last fight he lost to Wolvey.
Funny(weird) right?

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Check the konquests again. Scorpion does NOT come back after each of his deaths. Remember, he still had to find means to escape the Nethers.
Plus, there is something about his Netheressence mentioned in MKDA I think.


That kinda makes me even more curious as to how the hell(pun) you kill(get rid of)Scorpion for good. If you don't die, but you keep ending up in hell what is it called for Scorpion? A visit? Lol.
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Sorry man, just expressing my view man.You want a serious match up, how about Reptile vs. Toad?

Invisibility vs. Speed?Both reptilian like?

Something like that man, I just feel that a lot of these matches are one sided favored towards Xmen as I said before man.Nothing personal.



Actually, while I was putting together all my battles, Reptile & Toad were both up against eachother so I guuess you will find that match "fair".

How about stating a few others that I might want to consider?
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Battle #10 Results:

Sabretooth: 10
Baraka: 3

X-Men: 9
Mortal Kombat: 1

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Battle #11

Bastion (X-Men) vS Fujin (Mortal Kombat)

HAPPY VOTING!
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08/28/2006 05:47 PM (UTC)
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Good match-up. I'd say it would be a close matchup, but it would come down to Fujin.
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SINCE I AM A MARVEL FANBOY I SAY BASTION
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08/28/2006 10:13 PM (UTC)
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Fujin will win this battle!!
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