VainQueur Wrote: I can also confirm BRC's infinite is in the PAL version. The problem you might have, White Pointer, is that you try to do the puke too fast. Frot's infinite otoh is definitely NOT in the PAL version. Q

Nah, that's not my problem...as I explained earlier...it's his style branch starting from Drunken Fist. The first 4 hits connect, but the 4th hit causes the opponent to stagger back a little so the 5th hit misses, meaning the remainder of the combo can be blocked...unless your oponent has their back to the wall, that'll happen 100% of the times it's tried, at least in the cube version. I must have tried it a million times and convinced myself of it.

White_Pointer

White_Pointer Wrote: Nah, that's not my problem...as I explained earlier...it's his style branch starting from Drunken Fist. The first 4 hits connect, but the 4th hit causes the opponent to stagger back a little so the 5th hit misses, meaning the remainder of the combo can be blocked...unless your oponent has their back to the wall, that'll happen 100% of the times it's tried, at least in the cube version. I must have tried it a million times and convinced myself of it. White_Pointer

Well, PAL X-Box here, that never happens to me, if I hit them with the first they get hit with the whole combo, anywhere in the arena.

_NE0_ Wrote: i HIGHLY DOUBT that BRC has a slower jab in the PAL version in the US version.

You're right, he probably doesn't. But Kitana recovers just a little faster from her pretty kick in the PAL version. It's only just quick enough to be safe on block against Bo in Drunken. It's discrete, but noticeable, like Frosts's infinite. She takes just a little longer to recover from her slide in the PAL version...discrete, but noticeable...it's just long enough to prevent her throwing out an unblockable freeze attack.

_NE0_ Wrote:well lets put it like this, my BRC would beat ANY kitana 100-0 including yours.

Kitana isn't one of my main players, but somehow I seriously doubt that. I'm the first to admit I'm not all that good at Kitana, and you will win the first few matches convincingly...but I'm not an idiot. I watch and learn, I learn your attack patterns, and I will eventually win. That's how I play...not blindly following strats, not blindly thinking about tiers, but watching my opponent's movements and learning their strengths and weaknesses. There's no way you'd win 100 in a row. If you want to think otherwise, good for you, but you haven't played me and unless there's some miracle you never will, so you have no idea how I play. Similarly I don't have any idea how you play, but it doesn't take me long to learn. That's how I placed third in a 200 man MK3 tournament in 1996. I know it's not the same game but the same basic concepts apply: watch and learn.

White_Pointer

Alright since Versatile is calmed down and everyone else around here, let's increase the peace and discuss strategy like I should of done in the beginning or just ignored the scrub comments. But I've been playing for so long I couldn't take it and I overreacted. Winning local tournaments for past games and killing your friends who are decent at the games makes you feel better than you really are. So you are right on one thing, I haven't played anyone great yet. I want to. I don't mind losing because I love to improve. And I'm not avoiding these balance issues. I'm reading everything and trying it. But since I have no one great to play, I seriously can not see it because my competition is lacking. So since I can kill my friend's Scorpion repeatedly with Cyrax (which is one of my favorite characters regardless), you gotta understand why I'm not exactly seeing this tier list. I said I want to believe you. So I'll suck it up right now and just take your word for it. MK is too fun of a series that no one should be fighting over it and spoil the fun of the games in the process.

One more thing about "I'll believe it when I see it". That's not being ignorant. Yesterday playing Konqrr in MK2, he showed me why Mileena is at the top. Her Sai throws are extremely great for distance play and that's something I never knew. It's just easier to be proved wrong by actually playing instead of talk and diss comments. I'll just stay out of the tier list talk from now on unless I have something to share or ask.
And the comments about your age and all the pudding inbetween, just retaliation. It's childish on both sides and I shouldn't of cared enough to reply. Look at this on paper.
Stranger 1: I am cool and rock.
Stranger 2: No you're wrong. Fuck you.
Stranger 1: No fuck you.
*repeat for weeks*

quan_chilli Wrote: Winning local tournaments for past games and killing your friends who are decent at the games makes you feel better than you really are. So you are right on one thing, I haven't played anyone great yet. I want to. I don't mind losing because I love to improve. And I'm not avoiding these balance issues. I'm reading everything and trying it. But since I have no one great to play, I seriously can not see it because my competition is lacking. So since I can kill my friend's Scorpion repeatedly with Cyrax (which is one of my favorite characters regardless), you gotta understand why I'm not exactly seeing this tier list. I said I want to believe you. So I'll suck it up right now and just take your word for it. MK is too fun of a series that no one should be fighting over it and spoil the fun of the games in the process.

Well said. I too find much of MKL's highly formulated brand of fighting a hard to swallow, for exactly the same reasons. I listen and try to be open about it, but the fact is I would have to repeatedly get my ass kicked before I would be totally convinced.

On another note, I have this theory that the US GameCube version is the same version and the PAL versions. The Frost infinite can be low blocked out of, and the are other minor gamplay differences that suggest it's a bug fix version. Remember how the GC version came out a day later than the rest? I think this was the reason.

White_Pointer Wrote: I'm the first to admit I'm not all that good at Kitana, and you will win the first few matches convincingly...but I'm not an idiot. I watch and learn, I learn your attack patterns, and I will eventually win. That's how I play...not blindly following strats, not blindly thinking about tiers, but watching my opponent's movements and learning their strengths and weaknesses. There's no way you'd win 100 in a row. If you want to think otherwise, good for you, but you haven't played me and unless there's some miracle you never will, so you have no idea how I play. White_Pointer

i dont care how much u play me kitana vs BRC SHE CANNOT WIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! NO MATTER WHAT U DO WITH KITANA THERE IS NOTHING U COULD DO U STOP ME FROM BEATING U WITH KITANA 100-0 BECAUSE THERE IS NO WAY TO ADAPT TO BRC WITH KITANA. BRC is just too much for her dont u see it. HES IS ALMOST PERFECT!!! no matter what u think just know that u r wrong. kitana cannot compete with BRC period. the fact that u dont realize this says just how low level u r. this is like saying that in MK2 reptile can beat jax if u play that match enough and adapt to the jax player. the fact is no matter how much u adapt u will still lose that match. its the same with the kitana vs BRC match in MKDA.

White_Pointer Wrote: but it doesn't take me long to learn. That's how I placed third in a 200 man MK3 tournament in 1996. I know it's not the same game but the same basic concepts apply: watch and learn. White_Pointer

wahahahahahaha. i finished 1st in the MK3 WORLD tourney so dont come at me with that shit.

Yo MKL,
I'm sick of listening to you saying you win 100-0 with so and so against so and so...

Yes BRC has an ADVANTAGE over a lot of characters, but that does not mean you will win every time with him or other "top tier" characters.

You need to stop enforcing your opinion as fact and you need to
in case you were wondering... yes that is me

MRS, is not that MKL is trying to say how good he is compared to white pointers. Hes just trying to point out how little of a chance Kitana stands against Bo. Look at all the things Kitana has to do to win. She has to never get hit by th puke which is a chanlenge in it self. She has to find an opening so that she can land the 40% juggles, but wheres the opening? Drunken Fist's never leaves Bo open if used correctly so she'll never hit it. She has to over come losing to block damage, for trust me, she can definately lose from just being pressured till the clock runs out.

Now look at what Bo Rai Cho has to do. He has to touch her once to end the game. This can be in either branch format or puke format or by setting up either one. He controls the match up, meaning he does the pressuring and the mix ups.

So you compare what the two have to do to win, and you can clearly see why in serious play Kitana cannot beat Bo Rai Cho. I mean, its "possible", but Kitana has to guess right all the time,never get hit by the puke, and somehow find a way to actually damage Bo without getting blocked. This is not going to happen, and that is why Kitana cannot beat bo rai cho.

There are tons of mis match ups in DA just like this. Cyrax vs Reptile is really bad. Mavado vs Kano is also a terrible match up, but its not because Mavado is way better than Kano, its because Mavado coutners Kano. Lets see, Scorpion vs anyone is always a mismatch no matter how good the opponent is. Sub-Zero vs Hsu Hao is Sub's worst match up besides Scorp/Bo/Reptile(which is everyone's worst match ups anyway). Sub-Zero can beat Jax and Kung Lao. While their pressuring can be annoying Sub can win that match, but unlike Jax and Kung Lao Hsu Hao doesn't depend entirely on jabs to win. Also, unlike Jax and Kung Lao Hsu Hao can do over 15% damage to you hitting low or high. This is too much for Sub's defensive nature, making it an extremely difficult match up, though not as hard or impossible as the 3 previous match ups i talked about just now.

If you cant see my point now then there really is no hope for you understanding until mk6 when you can play me. This is why tiers are made so you can know who can hang with who. The tiers in MKDA,however, are very unclear. For example, just because Sub-Zero and Hsu Hao are both considered mid tier DOES NOT mean that they can evenly match up, because Hsu Hao will win that match about 8/10 times. And just because Scorpion and Bo Rai Cho are both considered top tier doesn't mean Bo can take Scorp. Even the low tiers. Li Mei OWNS Kitana badly. Kitana can do nothing about LHBF:2,4 pressure..nothing at all but turtle and pray.

I mean..seriously guys..screw DA. After the FAQ is out im pretty much done. School starts back up in the september and if I want a chance to play you guys in T5,MK6 and GGX3 I need to get my grades up. MKDA is dead along with T4 and all the other next gen games besides Soul Calibur. I will still play it, but why argue over it? Lets save it for mk6 where we'll actually get to prove our points by playing each other.


And Im still waiting for those Li Mei strats MKL.

MR S, if its someone playing kitana and i am playing BRC then i will win EVERY time........if u want me to shut up then put some $$ up. say me vs u first to 20 for $300. now do u wanna play for those stakes or not. if so i will be there to play u. my words r not opinion but fact. fact: kitana vs BRC is an impossible match and thats the way it is.

and for anyone else out there who thinks they know something...........put up the right amount of $$ and i will travel ANYWHERE to play u.

Versatile Wrote: mean..seriously guys..screw DA. After the FAQ is out im pretty much done. School starts back up in the september and if I want a chance to play you guys in T5,MK6 and GGX3 I need to get my grades up. MKDA is dead

Hold on there. I'm going to be playing MKDA on a regular basis for at least another year, and I think many others will do the same. Do what you want, but don't be surprised if you fall way behind and get your ass handed to you when MK6 goes online.

This is what I think many of you don't realize about the home versions of MK, some of us have had years of constant practice with them. Who was champ when they were in the arcades is now irrelevant.

Just a word of caution for those quiting MKDA right now.

please............MKDA has nothing left to discover. the tactics that u guys dont know yet are already old over here. i mean many people have played UMK/MKT on the console long after its arcade life was done but yet they still dont know about run jabs which r the key to the game. the same goes for MKDA, i mean freaks still dont know about jump cancels, the bo-kie-doke, how to make jax's ground pound inecsapeable, etc........ if i quit right now and played in a tourney like a year later i would still win it, depressing.

timsmk Wrote: White_Pointer Wrote: Nah, that's not my problem...as I explained earlier...it's his style branch starting from Drunken Fist. The first 4 hits connect, but the 4th hit causes the opponent to stagger back a little so the 5th hit misses, meaning the remainder of the combo can be blocked...unless your oponent has their back to the wall, that'll happen 100% of the times it's tried, at least in the cube version. I must have tried it a million times and convinced myself of it. White_Pointer Well, PAL X-Box here, that never happens to me, if I hit them with the first they get hit with the whole combo, anywhere in the arena.

White Pointer is right as far as the PS2 is concerned. Your opponent has to have his back against the wall OR he has to let go of block (or not tap it and be a total imbecile).

Perhaps X-Box differs then, in that respect? Or TimMK only plays people who can't find the block button :). (j/k).

Q

"please............MKDA has nothing left to discover. the tactics that u guys dont know yet are already old over here. i mean many people have played UMK/MKT on the console long after its arcade life was done but yet they still dont know about run jabs which r the key to the game. the same goes for MKDA, i mean freaks still dont know about jump cancels, the bo-kie-doke, how to make jax's ground pound inecsapeable, etc........ if i quit right now and played in a tourney like a year later i would still win it, depressing."

You know..that's about the 20th time you've said this. MKL, stop bitching dude. I've taken your side on some of the previous arguments time after time, but I am just getting pissed off now.

It's no one's fault that we don't know this stuff but you. You keep telling me about how to make people float in the air mid screen(something like that), how to make Shang's 3D fire ball unblockable up close,this "bokie dokie" that we supposedly cant do and all sorts of shit, but why dont we know? This is why..BECAUSE YOU DONT TELL US!

Do you know why you're the best in DA? It's because you have friends to spar with. You aren't stuck with your brother and the computer to test things with. You flaunt how you're so great, but dude..seriously. If I were as good as you at DA I would be making countless topics going out of my way to help people. I mean...TELL US about Shang's unblockable shit. Tell us about the bokie dokie. We will never know unless you tell us. How would you like it if Me and everyone else practice together while you play the computer in MK6? That's right..it would be you losing matches 10000-0, not us.

You say you wanted to be a team player. You said you no one wanted you on the team ,but thats because we were being ignorant. We didnt know the game as well as you did because I repeat..we didnt and still dont have copmpetetion. Thats just how it goes. So please..no more of this topic. No more waiting for questions. If you were smart you'd listen to me, go to the MKDA High Leveled Gameplay topic and post tons of strats with EVERYONE! Not just top tiers, not just upper mid tiers, but everyone. I assure you that you'd be more respected and more liked.

Don't think I am trying to piss you off or anything because I am not. Your problem is that you're too shy. You let out your anger through video game talk. You should be more open to people in general. Be nicer..kinder, and then you'll be guaranteed to be liked more. It's about the strats..yes..but its also about how you come across with those strats.

I am currently doing a topic at gamefaqs.com similair to yours, but I think I am going to scrap it and make a topic called "MKDA Strategies" so I dont have to wait for questions,ill just give strats. Heres the link to it. http://s2.cgi.gamefaqs.com/boards/genmessage.asp?board=13784&topic;=8270094&page;=1

Lastly, for the sake of everyone just respond to this post. Don't be all like "oh im too much of a man to respond to versatile's post about being nicer". It wont get you anywhere dude. Expand your horizon(is that how it goes?). And if you dont go along with posting at the high leveled gameplay topic like I told you to I will just make a topic myself giving credit to you where its due. I may not know as much, but ill atleast give it a try.

Nuff said..

It's no one's fault that we don't know this stuff but you. You keep telling me about how to make people float in the air mid screen(something like that), how to make Shang's 3D fire ball unblockable up close,this "bokie dokie" that we supposedly cant do and all sorts of shit, but why dont we know? This is why..BECAUSE YOU DONT TELL US!

Yes, bitching and moaning aside, you really should write a MKDA faq MKL. Before you forget it all, or get hit by a bus or something.

I just like you want to safe the MK tradition.i play MK4 from 3 years and MK5 from 3 monts and i have many qestions! But i play it at PS2.
i think that scorpion is great,but Sonya is a very good.Tae Kuon Do is a very dangerous style!
But i have a trouble-Sonya is my best player because her attacks are very fast,she has very low hits and combos and they are very hard to block! BUT DO YOU CAN SAY TO ME ANY GOOD COMBO FROM 3 STYLES because i can't make.I play only with 3 combos only one from they are from 3 styles.and are another are very stupid.when i see konqqr i believe that sonya can have different combos.Please answer to me.I am the best player at Bulgaria :)

i tried posting all the stuff a long time ago........no one listend then and they wont now. i mean look, people still refuse to believe what i say instead they talk about kitana and how good she is and no matter how i try to show them the facts they just act like its me who doesnt see so its pointless to post my knowledge in a FAQ because people would just tell me that i dont know anything and that i'm wrong.

Hey, MKL, how do you Jump Cancel and bo-kie-doke? Seriously, I must have missed this a while ago and it sound interesting. Koo.

_NE0_ Wrote: i tried posting all the stuff a long time ago........no one listend then and they wont now. i mean look, people still refuse to believe what i say instead they talk about kitana and how good she is and no matter how i try to show them the facts they just act like its me who doesnt see so its pointless to post my knowledge in a FAQ because people would just tell me that i dont know anything and that i'm wrong.

I see your point.

Here's what I would do if I were you. Write it all down first off. If you don't like to type or put into make it orderly, that's fine. I'm sure there are many people who wouldn't mind helping you make it look proper and all. Hell, you could scan handwritten stuff and mail it to people.

Then talk to the MK5.org webmaster and get them to put it all somewhere on the site. Maybe a locked thread at the top of the page would be the best, to prevent fights. Maybe on a section of Mk5.org. People could take it or leave it. Also put the FAQ on gamefaqs.com. Again, no whiners, people could take it or leave it. And it would be there forever.

Also, if you haven't already done stuff like this, talk to Midway and Bradygames. See if they would be interested in publishing a few pages of your strats, tier lists, basic gameplay strats on a few pages of the MK6 official strategy guide. They could give you and advanced copy of MK6 for all the new stuff. And since MK6 will be MKDA's engine, you already know plenty. The ultimate way to get your word out. And maybe get a tasty check for your efforts? Why not eh.

Anyway, that's what I would do.

BenDover Wrote: ...talk to Midway and Bradygames. See if they would be interested in publishing a few pages of your strats, tier lists, basic gameplay strats on a few pages of the MK6 official strategy guide. They could give you and advanced copy of MK6 for all the new stuff.

Heh, they'll be hiring real people to do that work... An advance copy? That's very wishful thinking for any non-employee.

Jump Cancel = uf+attack~attack. I've cancelled a jump with CS 3 times in a row and I was by their head LOL...this is hard as hell though.

You will see when I find some time to finish Jax 2.

OH, lol, that's what that is, koo. Thanks big man. Dude, I'm sooooo looking forward to your jax vid! Peace!

MrSchpfmut Wrote: BenDover Wrote: ...talk to Midway and Bradygames. See if they would be interested in publishing a few pages of your strats, tier lists, basic gameplay strats on a few pages of the MK6 official strategy guide. They could give you and advanced copy of MK6 for all the new stuff. Heh, they'll be hiring real people to do that work... An advance copy? That's very wishful thinking for any non-employee.

MR S, i am currently talking to paulo about being a tester for MK6 but i dont really care anymore, T4 is better then MKDA and T5 will be better then MK6.

bleh, fuck all u people...........please close this thread. let the people on this board stay scrubs....................

you know what I've had it. this is fucking stupid, I've never seen a more immature group of gamers in one forum EVER!!!! if it's not the best player being A dick then it's the scrubs that flame other person for stupid reasons or no reason's at all. Well, I have made my decisions. I willl no longer come here to this board. You people ( not all of you) all give MK a bad name. You know, now that I think about it, of all the gamimg communities i have been a part in, this communtiy by far hapens to be the worst. I will still continue to play MKDA, but i will not come here by any means. I find out BDC and Universal tracking on my own. I'm very positive that I can find mixups, perfect Jump cancelling, and find every other strategies out on my own.this will be my last post ni this issue. Now there's some people that i get along with on this board ( and you know who you are) so this ain't directed towards you. But to the rest of you people that made this board into a joke or refused to help out, FUCK YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Well maybe the death of this thread will clear up the bad blood. I'm just getting warmed up with MKDA, so I'll be here for while. I just hope people chill out around here.