an example of a wrong opinion: "in my opionion kitana beats BRC" the fact would be that kitana loses that match 100-0. saying that doesnt mean that i dont see someones side or that i am too full of myself to see what anyone else is saying, because no matter how they say something like that its wrong.

XcarnageX Wrote: rayrokka Wrote: Scorp has the advantage vs. Sub (everyone but Rep for that matter) Scorp only doesn't have the advantage vs Reptile?What about BRC? I thought he was technically better than Reptile...

this match is brutal. scorpion KILLS Bo. Bo cant use ANY specials on scorp. he cant puke, stomp or life up. puke and life up eat a hellfire and the stomp is a free spear no matter where scorpion is on the screen. Drunken fist is toatally worthless in this match. u can hellfire him most of the time even if hes walking/sidestepping. to avoid the hellfire Bo would need to use the tap up then hit block side step to avoid it or be walking forward B4 the command for the hellfire is done or by jumping aroind like an idiot. Pi Gua Moves way to fast for Bo so he will never catch scorpion unless he goes into Mi Zong and when he does this then hes very weak as Mi Zong is not a very good stance.


in a match vs reptile scorpion still has a slight advantage and is still a better character but vs each other they match up almost evenly but not quite. however, if there is a character that can really give scorpion a super hard fight..........its reptile.

Versatile Wrote: "No it was zsnes since I've made it clear by now I need a new computer to play Mame. You told me I'd kick your ass and to talk to MKL instead. Oh well I'll just take that as you backing down a challenge. No sweat of my balls and you'd lose anyway." Zsnes/Mame whatever. The fact of the matter is that I dont have ZSNES or Mame, nor do I feel like downloading it to play you in the old mks. I don't know if I could beat you or not, and to be quiet frank I don't care. I grew up as a scrub in MK till DA, so it makes no difference to me whether i'd win in those games or not.

But weren't you giving me strategies on playing the past MK games? LOL....I'd figure you could show me something since you know all about them. Ah well.

Konqrr Wrote: QC, I'd be more than happy to play you at ZSNES MK 2/3/U. I use zBattle (www.zbattle.net). I'm in it for the competition. Whether I win or lose it matters not, I'm not trying to prove anything.

Sure . Tell me when you want to play.

- This is Versatile, owning Quan_Scrubby once again.

No I'm not getting "owned" nor have I ever been by you lol. I'm sticking to a subject where we can play each other and see who's better. Unless MKDA magically goes online or you come up near Minnesota to play me, there's no use saying your better. Or me for that matter. But the past MK games, games you're trying to give me strategy on, can be played to see who's better. But since you don't want to, that means I am better. So stick to your "i'm better at teh mkda!" argument because that's the only thing you have and it's also safe for you considering you'll never play me in it until the game gets emulated 5 years from now and someone gives it an online patch.
It is rather funny though that you keep mentioning other people for them to back you up for your 1999 disses thrown my way. Yet, through these last few weeks, not one person has. LOL! "they're laughing at you...right???!" "here comes the knock out right everyone?!" "dont post if you want people still respecting you.....please some agree!" LOL not one person has even said "yeah!" to back you up. Poor kid

It's rather apparent,however, that you can't beat me in MKDA. So here's what you did. You totally neglected me asking you for strats and everything else i said because you can't post strats. You know nothing about DA. This is no shocker to anyone. You haven't contributed to the board in any way. No strats,no videos, just bitching and complaining about how others are. Well, I would personally like to here some strategies, but I don't think that will be happening will it? Of course not, for I repeat, you are a scrub. A nobody..a know nothing, and you will forever be that way until you see the truth, and if I have to beat it out of you in MK6 then it'll be my honor.

The reason I'm not answering your stupid fucking questions is because it's an old tired argument and YOU neglected to read what I meant by "balanced". Atleast I thought it was put to rest. I never signed a contract to prove anyone wrong. Even on AIM I told you "for as long as I've played and from what I've seen, any character can beat any character". No instead you got your teen hormones all twisted and jumped at the chance to "own" me. I clearly stated characters aren't balanced. I said that right away. I said it's balanced as in any character can beat any character. Yes I know about infinites. I found Noob's infinite in MKT for psx right away. I found out the infinites I asked MKL about right away but didn't actually know they were infinites until MKL pointed that out because I only did them in practice. Anyone with any self respect wouldn't use infinites anyway. Atleast the way I've been playing for years. Only you could make a comment about "Funny though Versatile was trying to use past MK games and strategies in attempt to show everyone why they're scrubs" into a an MKDA tier list argument. Moron. I was talking about PAST MK GAMES and my comments from weeks ago are STILL bothering you that you have to turn everything I say into an MKDA argument. If I got to you that bad, good god I'm sorry. I'll drop ever talking to you all together if all you're going to do is cry about my harmless "balanced" comment. I never called MKL an arrogant fuck either. Learn to read. I said he comes off as one. I didn't accuse him of anything.
It's also quite premature to make a comment about beating me in a game that's over a year away that no one has ever touched LOL. (you're reply to that: No it is not. I am better and therefore MK6 is mine even though we probably own different systems *makes 10 paragraphs of why Reptiles acid spit bounces off BRC's fat gut the best* OWNED!)
Now think of a comeback for everything I said and follow it up with an insanely great, freshly new, "owned!!!!". It'll really get to me and make me feel like I got owned. Probably even stop me from posting here all together.

quan_chilli Wrote: Anyone with any self respect wouldn't use infinites anyway. Atleast the way I've been playing for years. .

please..........at high level in MK3/UMK the infinites were allowed and used by all top players and its no different in MKDA. the infinites arent unbeatable or any where near too cheap.

"No I'm not getting "owned" nor have I ever been by you lol. I'm sticking to a subject where we can play each other and see who's better. Unless MKDA magically goes online or you come up near Minnesota to play me, there's no use saying your better. Or me for that matter."

Please..I am superior to you in DA. You'd be lucky to get a round on me. You know nothing about this game. I mean..you think everyone plays the same...you can't possibly be good. Also, you believe the game is balanced which shows how much of a scrub you are anyway. Me wasting my time to come to minnesota just to trash you would simply be a waste. If I could travel(which I cant) for gaming it'd be to places like Virginia and Chicago to play MKL,MRS,Ray,etc. These players would be worth my time. Why? Because I wouldn't beat them 100 times in a row going random like I would against you. You are probably saying "how the fuck do you know", but it's pretty obvious that you cant take me or anyone else at this board whos worth a shit. You fucking think DA is about blocking and comboing.



"But the past MK games, games you're trying to give me strategy on, can be played to see who's better. But since you don't want to, that means I am better. So stick to your "i'm better at teh mkda!" argument because that's the only thing you have and it's also safe for you considering you'll never play me in it until the game gets emulated 5 years from now and someone gives it an online patch."

Dude..please. I don't fear you in any MK. I could talk to MKL,Ray and Lex for about an hour and get enough knowledge to beat you in any of the MKs. When im over my GF's house we'll see what I can do. This old computer cant handle shit like ZSNES or Mame so im not even going to bother downloading it. You can think I "fear" you if you want, but you and I both know that you're a MK scrub who thinks its balanced and really isnt worth a shit.

"It is rather funny though that you keep mentioning other people for them to back you up for your 1999 disses thrown my way. Yet, through these last few weeks, not one person has. LOL! "they're laughing at you...right???!" "here comes the knock out right everyone?!" "dont post if you want people still respecting you.....please some agree!" LOL not one person has even said "yeah!" to back you up. Poor kid "

Dude...EVERYONE here who knows DA agrees with me. I could care less if they post that they've got my back, for I could care fucking less. I know I am right, they know I am right, and you know I am right. The difference is the fact that you're too much of an ignorant scrub living in a balanced MK fantasy world to see the facts. I delievered the "knock out punch" about a month ago.

"The reason I'm not answering your stupid fucking questions is because it's an old tired argument and YOU neglected to read what I meant by "balanced"."

Shut the fuck up,scrub. You can't say jack shit till you post up some strats. The argument is not old because you're still responding. If you smart you'd stop so you wouldn't look like too much of an idiot. This is about the third time i've asked for QUALITY DA strats, and I get nothing. You wanna know why? I think you know why..because you know nothing. You have nothing to contribute but copied and pasted strats from the high leveled gameplay board that people like MKL,Konqrr and myself posted up. It's as simple as that. I will never,EVER post here again(not even when mk6 comes out) if you can give me good strats for Kitana vs Bo and Cyrax vs Scorp. I mean quality high level style strats. If not you'll just prove my point again..that you're a nobody in DA.


"Atleast I thought it was put to rest. I never signed a contract to prove anyone wrong. Even on AIM I told you "for as long as I've played and from what I've seen, any character can beat any character"."

Dude..again..stop making yourself look like a dumb fuck. You havent played anyone good. You probably play with the CPU and against your scrubby friends. I mean, Spazz isnt that great, but atleast I can spar with him to some extent and get better. Konqrr's brother isnt that great, but atleast hes good enough for Konqrr to spar with. Ray's got MRS, MKL's got all his friends, but who the hell do you have? Bring someone here who knows how to play Kitana and Cyrax well enough to beat a good Scorpion. If you cant do this atleast give me some strategies yourslef on how those match ups can be won.



"No instead you got your teen hormones all twisted and jumped at the chance to "own" me. I clearly stated characters aren't balanced. I said that right away. I said it's balanced as in any character can beat any character."

You keep babbling like a little bitch about these teen hormones and shit, but if you look at it that way you're on my "level". You come back with responses to everything I say, so if I am looked upon so lowly by you then perhaps you should shut the fuck up and not respond.

I think you need to look up the word balanced in the fighting game dictionary. Of course any character can beat any character technically you dumb fuck, but we're not talking about that. We're talking about two ok-good players who are evenly matches going at it. At this level DA is not balanced, not in any way. Cyrax can beat Scorpion technically. Cyrax has moves..the moves do damage..Cyrax can techinically win. Does that make it balance? No, you stupid,stupid person. You're fucking what? 7 years older than me yet I still have to explain this to a self proclaimed "MK veteran".


"Yes I know about infinites. I found Noob's infinite in MKT for psx right away. I found out the infinites I asked MKL about right away but didn't actually know they were infinites until MKL pointed that out because I only did them in practice. Anyone with any self respect wouldn't use infinites anyway. Atleast the way I've been playing for years."

Someone must be full of shit..and it looks like it's you. If my memory serves me correct you were the one that posted up "let me know the ininfites. i wanna piss off friends" or something of that nature. HAHAHAHAHA! So you're the worst kind of scrub,huh? The hypocritical scrub. Well, I must say this teaches a lesson to all the hypocrites of the world..watch what you post.

Also, this shit has NOTHING to do with respect. If you're in a tournament for over a thousands bucks fuck respect unless you're a COMPLETE dumbass. Or maybe just a hypocritical scrub like you.



"Only you could make a comment about "Funny though Versatile was trying to use past MK games and strategies in attempt to show everyone why they're scrubs" into a an MKDA tier list argument. Moron. I was talking about PAST MK GAMES and my comments from weeks ago are STILL bothering you that you have to turn everything I say into an MKDA argument. If I got to you that bad, good god I'm sorry. I'll drop ever talking to you all together if all you're going to do is cry about my harmless "balanced" comment. I never called MKL an arrogant fuck either. Learn to read. I said he comes off as one. I didn't accuse him of anything."

You were NOT just talking about the past MKs, even if you were you are still wrong. No MK was balanced. The only MK close to balanced would be UMK3 just because EVERYONE had cheesy shit.But even then some had way more than others. On aim you were talking about how DA is about blocking and comboing and about how everyone plays the same. You can't deny this. Also, you didn't get to me at all. It's uber apparent that YOU just want to start shit. You started up with the whole "i guess he knew id beat him" or whatever comment on page 6. That was just asking for it.

"It's also quite premature to make a comment about beating me in a game that's over a year away that no one has ever touched LOL. (you're reply to that: No it is not. I am better and therefore MK6 is mine even though we probably own different systems *makes 10 paragraphs of why Reptiles acid spit bounces off BRC's fat gut the best* OWNED!)Now think of a comeback for everything I said and follow it up with an insanely great, freshly new, "owned!!!!". It'll really get to me and make me feel like I got owned. Probably even stop me from posting here all together."

MK6 will have the same core engine as DA, so balance will most likely still be an issue. Even if it weren't, with your dumb fuck mind frame i'd probably still beat you. I mean come on scrub..you think DA is about blocking and comboing, and you think MK is the most balanced game out there. Im not trying to debate with you, but its just so easy and so funny seeing your responses having NOTHING to do with strategies as to how you claim low tiers can beat top tiers. Anyway, this will be my last attempt trying to set you straight..if this doesnt work then I am never responding to your crap again unless its just too funny to resist.

OK BRC vs Kitana is impossible. Firstly Drunken Fist: 3,2 is a monster. Kitana can do nothing to punish it, she just stands there and eats constant 3,2's in the face. Blocking? oh well..bo will just change up and puke and then its infinite heaven. I mean..scre 3,2..bo doesnt even need that. 2,3 change ups kills kitana as it is. Shes a standing doll as her life slowly by surely chips away. 2,3 leads into d+4 which causes a trip stun and leads to a mix up. If they guess wrong they can and will end up eating the infinites.

Now tell me, how does Kitana win? What is kitana's viable strategy? She cant punish 3,2 or any other good move in drunken..so how can she win?

Versatile Wrote: OK BRC vs Kitana is impossible. Firstly Drunken Fist: 3,2 is a monster. Kitana can do nothing to punish it, she just stands there and eats constant 3,2's in the face. Blocking? oh well..bo will just change up and puke and then its infinite heaven. I mean..scre 3,2..bo doesnt even need that. 2,3 change ups kills kitana as it is. Shes a standing doll as her life slowly by surely chips away. 2,3 leads into d+4 which causes a trip stun and leads to a mix up. If they guess wrong they can and will end up eating the infinites. Now tell me, how does Kitana win? What is kitana's viable strategy? She cant punish 3,2 or any other good move in drunken..so how can she win?

Okay...before I start...this is for the PAL version...so it's quite possible that this won't work on NTSC. So, don't give me any crap saying "this doesn't work"...it DOES work on the PAL version...but may not on the NTSC version. But don't expect me to give strats about the NTSC version when I don't play it. Okay boys and girls? Good.

Now, with that out of the way...

BRC's 3,2 knocks Kitana backwards, but it leaves a very small window of opportunity for counter attack if it's blocked. Kitana can punish this with a very quickly executed pretty kick. She recovers fast enough from a blocked 3,2 from BRC in Drunken to connect with it. The pretty kick is also a 3D move, so it's good to surprise your opponent with...they can't sidestep it and it must be blocked...and even if it's blocked, the opponent is knocked backwards slightly and kitana's recovery is fast enough to be able to counter anything BRC in Drunken can throw at her.

The puke is well telegraphed...you can see it coming a mile away, and unless you're trapped against the wall there's really no excuse to be hit by it. Kitana has an evade in Ba Gua that can be used to avoid the puke easily. BRC wants to taunt behind the puke? Good, let him, he'll only eat a fan impale. That's right...contrary to popular belief, the fan impale DOES come in handy sometimes and that's a perfect example. Once you impale him, he's the one who needs to play catch-up, so keep your distance and force him to change out of Drunken to come get you. Unless that opportunity presents itself though...don't impale. Unless your opponent is a moron they'll block or dodge them and you'll be left without the fans for the rest of the round. To mix it up a little, if you really want to punish Bo's puke, if you see it coming immediately, pretty kick. It'll cancel the puke if you are quick enough, and even if you are a bit slow and the puke comes out, the pretty kick will push Bo far enough backwards so that you won't land in it when you hit the ground. The pretty kick is the quickest move in the game to execute (it's just U+3 after all, not even b,f,3 or d,b,3) so use it as much as you can. If the Bo player is in Drunken you are assured of it being safe on block...but it's not safe if they are in Jojutsu or Mi Zong.

Don't use Eagle Claw too much because its mixups aren't that great, but it does have a very annoying low hit, d+3. It's too small punches that don't do a lot of damage but is well disguised and can become very annoying for your opponent. Generally don't try her combos starting in Eagle Claw because they are interruptable. Instead use d+3 and u+4 and mix them up...both are safe on block. If you hit with u+4, hit again with u+4, fan lift before they hit the ground and finish with one of her fan combos. Her shove in Eagle claw is pretty useless and she has no way to punish it like Scorpion's hellfire, but you can be sneaky if they are close to the wall and shove them into it to cause a little damage.

Ba Gua stance is pretty much the same deal as Eagle Claw, except you can really work at exploiting high/low mixups. Mixup between b+4 and u+4. U+4 is safe on block but b+4 isn't so you need to pick your time to do it. It's pretty fast though and knocks your opponent down so they better be good at anticipating. Once you knock them down with b+4, it's all a guessing game for them. They won't have time to counter anything but guess a high or low block, so randomly mix up between b+4 and u+4. Again, don't try any real combos in this style. If you hit them with u+4, u+4 again, fan lift then finish with a 4-hit fan combo. A good time to start high/low mixups is after a pretty kick, or if you impale BRC and he's needed to switch out of Drunken to chase you.

Fans stance also has its uses. It's got a good high/low mixup although neither of the two main low attacks in steel fans are safe on block so don't use them a lot, but d+3 and d+4 can be very effective at the right time. Use f+1 too, it's a great attack that pushes the opponent backwards. Her fan pop-up attack is safe on block, and if you hit them, again juggle them before using the fan lift and finishing the combo. Her two main fan combos, 2,2,2,f+2 and 2,2,2,b+4 aren't safe on block, but mix up the last hit randomly...or, if you prefer, cancel the combo at the 3rd hit. She has a good 29% damage combo in her steel fan style, 1,1,b+2,2,2,2,f+2, connect with that three times and the match is as good as over.

Also in the PAL version, Bo's infinite isn't nearly as prevalent as it is in the NTSC. His full style branch combo cannot connect unless the opponent has their back to the wall (the opponent will stagger out of reach after the 4th hit, causing the 5th hit to miss and making the remainder of the combo blockable)...so the infinite cannot be started from Drunken Fist from the middle of the arena. Unless you have your back to the wall you won't need to worry about that. It can however still be executed from the middle of the arena from Mi Zong if your opponent times it well enough...so beware if they switch into Mi Zong at close range.

Make sure you always keep half an eye out for the puke. Kitana is very fast and can run circles around Bo, but if you do get hit by him, you'll sustain heavy damage, so tackle Bo both from up close and at a slight distance, and mix up. Don't try any of her large style branch combos or anything like that because they are next to useless, not to mention interruptable. Only use the combos if you're sure you'll fool the opponent into releasing block after you've given them a few single hits. Concentrate on hard, unpredictable and fast hits. Punish the puke as soon as you see it and you'll be on your way to winning as long as you don't back up into the wall and allow the infinite from Drunken.

Now...before anyone replies (and I know some of you will despite me saying this), I repeat, this is for the PAL version and these strats may not (not worrying about Bo starting his infinite from Drunken is a DEFINATE not as you clearly can in the NTSC version) work in the NTSC version. Please, ONLY comment on these strats if you play the PAL version. If you only play the NTSC and decide to comment on them anyway, I'll just laugh and ignore you.

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"Please..I am superior to you in DA. You'd be lucky to get a round on me. You know nothing about this game. I mean..you think everyone plays the same...you can't possibly be good. Also, you believe the game is balanced which shows how much of a scrub you are anyway. Me wasting my time to come to minnesota just to trash you would simply be a waste. If I could travel(which I cant) for gaming it'd be to places like Virginia and Chicago to play MKL,MRS,Ray,etc. These players would be worth my time. Why? Because I wouldn't beat them 100 times in a row going random like I would against you. You are probably saying "how the fuck do you know", but it's pretty obvious that you cant take me or anyone else at this board whos worth a shit. You fucking think DA is about blocking and comboing."

Let's see I can find a point in that paragraph somewhere. Ah yes the last part about comboing and blocking. Hmmm last I recall that was brought up in an AIM convo between us when you said "take a look at the vids and see how pros play!". I said and I quote "all they're doing is comboing and block. Like MKL's Kung Lao vid". You said and I quote "that's how he's played!". I said and I also quote "but anyone could be played like that then" which anyone can. See the thing your not understanding is I'm making absolutely NO claims of anything for MKDA. I'm just replying to your statements while yopur feeble little mind thinks I'm trying to "school" you. I already said I'd rather play you than waste countless hours discussing strategy that you'll either shoot down right away because OBVIOUSLY everyone plays as badly with Kitana as you do and Cyrax.



"Dude..please. I don't fear you in any MK. I could talk to MKL,Ray and Lex for about an hour and get enough knowledge to beat you in any of the MKs. When im over my GF's house we'll see what I can do. This old computer cant handle shit like ZSNES or Mame so im not even going to bother downloading it. You can think I "fear" you if you want, but you and I both know that you're a MK scrub who thinks its balanced and really isnt worth a shit."

I know because the minimum requirements for Zsnes is high. The whole whopping 255mhz. Shut up bitch. I would fucking destroy you in about 10 seconds each round. It wouldn't even be funny. And I would talk shit everyday to you. Why? Because I proved to you I know what I'm talking about through actually playing you. Not some game we'll probably never play against. Go back to hiding from me again. You're much better that way.



"Dude...EVERYONE here who knows DA agrees with me. I could care less if they post that they've got my back, for I could care fucking less. I know I am right, they know I am right, and you know I am right. The difference is the fact that you're too much of an ignorant scrub living in a balanced MK fantasy world to see the facts. I delievered the "knock out punch" about a month ago."

Blah blah more scrub talk and more "owned" shit. Slut please. You've admitted getting pissed at my comments numerous times as you're obviously showing again. Someone getting owned isn't on the pissed end of an argument. But it's always easier to say "OWNED!" at the end of a reply to make yourself look superior. I did it when I was 15 too and trust me, it doesn't work. For I'm still here, sticking by my original comments. Not because I'm deluded. But because like I told you. Until I see it, I'll believe it. Until then, shhhh.



"Shut the fuck up,scrub. You can't say jack shit till you post up some strats. The argument is not old because you're still responding. If you smart you'd stop so you wouldn't look like too much of an idiot. This is about the third time i've asked for QUALITY DA strats, and I get nothing. You wanna know why? I think you know why..because you know nothing. You have nothing to contribute but copied and pasted strats from the high leveled gameplay board that people like MKL,Konqrr and myself posted up. It's as simple as that. I will never,EVER post here again(not even when mk6 comes out) if you can give me good strats for Kitana vs Bo and Cyrax vs Scorp. I mean quality high level style strats. If not you'll just prove my point again..that you're a nobody in DA."

Am I reading the same reply over and over again? This is really really sad.



"Dude..again..stop making yourself look like a dumb fuck. You havent played anyone good. You probably play with the CPU and against your scrubby friends. I mean, Spazz isnt that great, but atleast I can spar with him to some extent and get better. Konqrr's brother isnt that great, but atleast hes good enough for Konqrr to spar with. Ray's got MRS, MKL's got all his friends, but who the hell do you have? Bring someone here who knows how to play Kitana and Cyrax well enough to beat a good Scorpion. If you cant do this atleast give me some strategies yourslef on how those match ups can be won."

No thanks. I'll continue being the scrub. It's obvious I don't own the game and never play. Is this the Street Fighter forum? What's Sub's snowball attack again?




"You keep babbling like a little bitch about these teen hormones and shit, but if you look at it that way you're on my "level". You come back with responses to everything I say, so if I am looked upon so lowly by you then perhaps you should shut the fuck up and not respond."

Ouch owned yourself there. You replying to my scrubby ass means you're just as big of a scrub as me. Next.

"I think you need to look up the word balanced in the fighting game dictionary. Of course any character can beat any character technically you dumb fuck, but we're not talking about that. We're talking about two ok-good players who are evenly matches going at it. At this level DA is not balanced, not in any way. Cyrax can beat Scorpion technically. Cyrax has moves..the moves do damage..Cyrax can techinically win. Does that make it balance? No, you stupid,stupid person. You're fucking what? 7 years older than me yet I still have to explain this to a self proclaimed "MK veteran"."

I am an MK vet. As I will clearly show you by whipping your ass over Zsnes if you descide to quit hiding one day. One can only hope.



"Someone must be full of shit..and it looks like it's you. If my memory serves me correct you were the one that posted up "let me know the ininfites. i wanna piss off friends" or something of that nature. HAHAHAHAHA! So you're the worst kind of scrub,huh? The hypocritical scrub. Well, I must say this teaches a lesson to all the hypocrites of the world..watch what you post."

No I knew the infinites. Never knew they were infinites though because I never tried them outside of practice. As I clearly explained my last post. Next.

"Also, this shit has NOTHING to do with respect. If you're in a tournament for over a thousands bucks fuck respect unless you're a COMPLETE dumbass. Or maybe just a hypocritical scrub like you."

Certain tounraments have rules anyway about infintes and how you can't do them. If there were tournaments for cash prizes and infinites legal, I'd be all up in it too. But it wouldn't be much of a tournament as most MK tourneys aren't anyway.


"You were NOT just talking about the past MKs, even if you were you are still wrong. No MK was balanced. The only MK close to balanced would be UMK3 just because EVERYONE had cheesy shit.But even then some had way more than others. On aim you were talking about how DA is about blocking and comboing and about how everyone plays the same. You can't deny this. Also, you didn't get to me at all. It's uber apparent that YOU just want to start shit. You started up with the whole "i guess he knew id beat him" or whatever comment on page 6. That was just asking for it."

Am I talking to MKL or Versatile here? I swear ol' Vers knew nothing about past MK games and is scared to play me. But now he's telling me (I think that's him anyway) how the pas MK games are played again. I swear, and I could be wrong here, that this upcoming paragraph had NOTHING to do with balance, MKDA, or who's better at MKDA:

"Funny though Versatile was trying to use past MK games and strategies in attempt to show everyone why they're scrubs. When I finally wanted to play him, it was "no. you'll kick my ass". I mean why even bother talking all that shit if you're not even gonna play? Not sure if he's in your "crew" or not but if you people want anyone's respect you have to listen to their opinions too and not give a cute "lol" in response. Just the way it is."

*looks for it* Hey how did this turn into an MKDA argument again? Ah yes the 15 year old who can't comprehend a sentence.


"MK6 will have the same core engine as DA, so balance will most likely still be an issue. Even if it weren't, with your dumb fuck mind frame i'd probably still beat you. I mean come on scrub..you think DA is about blocking and comboing, and you think MK is the most balanced game out there. Im not trying to debate with you, but its just so easy and so funny seeing your responses having NOTHING to do with strategies as to how you claim low tiers can beat top tiers. Anyway, this will be my last attempt trying to set you straight..if this doesnt work then I am never responding to your crap again unless its just too funny to resist."

BAHAHAHA I love predictions about upcoming games, movies, etc. Tell me who will be in MK6 so I can start training by taping "MK6" on a piece of paper, tape it on my tv, and push buttons on my MK controller just imagining what the moves and combos will be like.

"OK BRC vs Kitana is impossible. Firstly Drunken Fist: 3,2 is a monster. Kitana can do nothing to punish it, she just stands there and eats constant 3,2's in the face. Blocking? oh well..bo will just change up and puke and then its infinite heaven. I mean..scre 3,2..bo doesnt even need that. 2,3 change ups kills kitana as it is. Shes a standing doll as her life slowly by surely chips away. 2,3 leads into d+4 which causes a trip stun and leads to a mix up. If they guess wrong they can and will end up eating the infinites."

First BRC's puke and stomp are very overrrated among you players. They're insanely slow and anyone who can't see them coming is an idiot. Kitana is an outstanding defensive player. Her sidestep into the Pretty Kick is very effective to push your opponent away. Same for her shove and b+4 in Eagle Claw. Quick sidestepping BRC's puke if she blocks his 2,3 isn't that difficult either and will get him hurt. Her 1,4,4,cs,3,f+3,cs,2,2,2,f+2 is a nice 40% combo. Follow that up with a 2,2,2,b+4 and you'll get his health in reasonable range to finish him off if he's stupid enough to puke again. I like taking risks so I LOVE her fan impale. If it connects It's over. Her pretty kick, b+4 in EC, and backflip secure her a victory as time will expire. Because by that time BRC will try to get in quick hits to catch up but even so Kitana is too quick and will sidestep his shit with ease for another combo to finish him. This isn't the only way to beat him because let's face it, you don't know what you're opponent will pull or do. As long as you know how to mix it up every match you'll be playing just fine with her. She's not the most powerful but she is quick enough to avoid someone like BRC unless the person playing as her tries to use her as an offensive powerhouse.

_NE0_ Wrote: quan_chilli Wrote: Anyone with any self respect wouldn't use infinites anyway. Atleast the way I've been playing for years. . please..........at high level in MK3/UMK the infinites were allowed and used by all top players and its no different in MKDA. the infinites arent unbeatable or any where near too cheap.

Oh I bet. Considering Smoke is the only one with an Infinite and that was in ver. 2.0 in MK3 which to my knowledge, wasn't the last revision. Safe to say you didn't play that revision either and you played 2.1 which fixed that. Not to mention it's the absolute WORST infinite in the world. lp,lp,lp, wait for opponent to fall back, spear, repeat. ANYONE at a "high level" MK3 tournament who falls for standing low punches is an idiot.
And Kabal's

Perhaps this post will be refreshing, not being full of quotes.

That Kung Lao video was shit, you're trying to tell me the best way to use him is to walk up, use the same punch twice, then fuck off only to repeat? I claim that's just plain cowardice.
You had a wicked combo in there, but that's it - ONE good combo. You've said the way to win is to be overpowering - that's always how I play Kung Lao, I'm quick with reflexes and adapting to situations, not just tapping a pre-remembered combo string in between jabs.

I'm not going to say I could beat you, I'm just saying the vid showed crap all skill.

You play the "stand and block" way because if your opponent isn't a dumbass he will interrupt your combo attempt after he blocks the second jab. That's why MKL only jabbed once or twice.

ICEman Wrote: That Kung Lao video was shit, you're trying to tell me the best way to use him is to walk up, use the same punch twice, then fuck off only to repeat? I claim that's just plain cowardice.

heh, white_pointer neglected to mention that if anything he posted gets blocked then u lose. and 3,2 is safe vs her as long as its spaced right.


now here the otherside to the kitana vs BRC(reality) as far as the puke goes once it comes out she cannot cross it which leaves BRC open to use 1 of the 99999999999 puke setups(see page 1) that will toatally destroy her. BRC has what i call the bo-kie-doke. BRC attacks with all safety. kitana will not punish anything. moves like 3,2 2,3 d+4 not to mention that BRC jab has super priority vs kitana, stuff like this really kills her. i mean if 1 d+4 hits then u r caught in a mixup that leads to infinite. so in short kitana can win if BRC never blocks her or interrupts her and she can win if she doesnt get hit at all and caught in the bo-kie-doke and she can also win if she doesnt get caught in 1 of many of BRC puke setups that work very well on players that play at the same distance that whit_pointer says he does.

_NE0_ Wrote: and she can win if she doesnt get hit at all and caught in the bo-kie-doke

now let me explain y kitana cant afford to get hit. BRC doesnt do small damage. u cannot attack drunken fist. if u get caught close to it then u WILL lose. once BRC gains the advantage kitana cannot come back. she will just eat move after move then eventually the infinite trying to come into drunken fist when she needs to attack. also if BRC should ever be up by say 40% then remember that once the puke does come out then she cannout cross it so this forces her to play kinda cose and try to use the pretty kick to stop that but now BRC isnt gonna do the puke. since u now MUST play at that range BRC will have no problem catching u and rushing u down.

ICEman Wrote: I'm not going to say I could beat you, I'm just saying the vid showed crap all skill.

well i am saying i could beat u 100-0 on random select.

White_Pointer Wrote: The pretty kick is also a 3D move, so it's good to surprise your opponent with...they can't sidestep it and it must be blocked...and even if it's blocked, the opponent is knocked backwards slightly and kitana's recovery is fast enough to be able to counter anything BRC in Drunken can throw at her. White_Pointer

ok..........this really shows how little u know about BRC and how to fighty him. drunken fist may walk slow but the moves in drunken fist r VERY fast. if he blocks the pretty kick he will infinite u.

I was just watching Episode II on HBO, sorry if this is the wrong fanboy forum, but I love this quote:

"It is obvious this contest cannot be decided by our knowledge of the Force, but by our skills with a lightsaber." - Count Dooku to Yoda

This is yet another thread that shows that MK6 must be online. MKL could challenge you guys, and prove(or disprove) his point. There's just no substitute for actual battle, statements like "I own your ass scrub" prove nothing.

I just hope there will be a way for all 3 system to play against eachother. Otherwise there will just be champs on each system; PS2, XBox, GC.

_NE0_ Wrote: heh, white_pointer neglected to mention that if anything he posted gets blocked then u lose. and 3,2 is safe vs her as long as its spaced right. now here the otherside to the kitana vs BRC(reality) as far as the puke goes once it comes out she cannot cross it which leaves BRC open to use 1 of the 99999999999 puke setups(see page 1) that will toatally destroy her. BRC has what i call the bo-kie-doke. BRC attacks with all safety. kitana will not punish anything. moves like 3,2 2,3 d+4 not to mention that BRC jab has super priority vs kitana, stuff like this really kills her. i mean if 1 d+4 hits then u r caught in a mixup that leads to infinite. so in short kitana can win if BRC never blocks her or interrupts her and she can win if she doesnt get hit at all and caught in the bo-kie-doke and she can also win if she doesnt get caught in 1 of many of BRC puke setups that work very well on players that play at the same distance that whit_pointer says he does.

You neglected to read that I said, quite clearly, which moves were safe on block and which weren't. I DID say that. Go back and read it again. Also, when did I say what distance I play at? I remember saying to mix up the distance you fight at, not stick to a certain distance.

_NE0_ Wrote: White_Pointer Wrote: ok..........this really shows how little u know about BRC and how to fighty him. drunken fist may walk slow but the moves in drunken fist r VERY fast. if he blocks the pretty kick he will infinite u.

That shows how bad you can read. I explicitly said that it's for PAL, not NTSC. In PAL, if BRC is in drunken, the pretty kick is safe on block. It obviously isn't in NTSC and Bo can counter it with an infinite, but so what? My strats weren't for the NTSC version.

White_Pointer

MKDA PAL = MKDA NTSC

i HIGHLY DOUBT that BRC has a slower jab in the PAL version in the US version. well lets put it like this, my BRC would beat ANY kitana 100-0 including yours. heh, you guys act like when i say that i am the best that i just woke up 1 day and gave that title to myself. i have won every major MKDA tourney ever held. there were 2 in cali, 1 at TiT, and 1 at NEC3 as well as a 60 man tourney held here in VA. now except for TIT thses have all been HUGE turnouts with players that play this game hardcore.

Konqrr Wrote: MKDA PAL = MKDA NTSC

Not quite...there's some glitches in the NTSC version that have clearly been fixed in the PAL version...Frosts's infinite for example doesn't exist in the PAL version, and Bo's infinite can't be started from Drunken Fist unless the opponent has their back to the wall. There's just two differences.

White_Pointer

White_Pointer Wrote: Konqrr Wrote: MKDA PAL = MKDA NTSC Not quite...there's some glitches in the NTSC version that have clearly been fixed in the PAL version...Frosts's infinite for example doesn't exist in the PAL version, and Bo's infinite can't be started from Drunken Fist unless the opponent has their back to the wall. There's just two differences. White_Pointer

Uh, I have PAL and I have had NO trouble in starting Bo's infinite from anywhere in Drunken Fist. You sure?

I can also confirm BRC's infinite is in the PAL version. The problem you might have, White Pointer, is that you try to do the puke too fast.

Frot's infinite otoh is definitely NOT in the PAL version.

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This will be my last post regarding this argument. I know I am right, and I know that you are wrong, but I will try a nicer approach this time so maybe you can get the picture ok?


"Let's see I can find a point in that paragraph somewhere. Ah yes the last part about comboing and blocking. Hmmm last I recall that was brought up in an AIM convo between us when you said "take a look at the vids and see how pros play!". I said and I quote "all they're doing is comboing and block. Like MKL's Kung Lao vid". You said and I quote "that's how he's played!". I said and I also quote "but anyone could be played like that then" which anyone can. See the thing your not understanding is I'm making absolutely NO claims of anything for MKDA. I'm just replying to your statements while yopur feeble little mind thinks I'm trying to "school" you. I already said I'd rather play you than waste countless hours discussing strategy that you'll either shoot down right away because OBVIOUSLY everyone plays as badly with Kitana as you do and Cyrax."

The point to that paragraph is that you don't know this game as well as you think. You said that you think the game is balanced and that everyone plays the same. Unless you were just joking it's unlikely that you're any good with that kind of mentality. Also, you say that blocking and comboing is what MK is about, and you are wrong. Even in the simple days of UMK3 and MK2 it was not all about blocking and comboing. It was more about set ups and mix ups than any of that.

Ok, all Kung Laos are played the same. Kung Lao has a very straight up style. He's in the fast jabber classification a long with Jax.(some count Hsu Hao as a fast jabber, but since Hsu Hao can win without fast jabbers I disagree). He's about doing single and double 1s to keep your opponents game off. A good Kung Lao knows how to jab and block,jab jab,block,jab,block,etc. He is a mind game fighter. It's all in the mix up. The problem with Kung Lao is the fact that hes a guessing game fighter, so this means if you guess wrong against your opponent they can interupt your fast jabbing and you'll take a lot of damage. Characters like Cyrax and Kitana still get mauled by Kung Lao, but because Kung Lao's game can easily be screwed up they have a small chance of winning.

Now, you said that all characters can be played like that, and this is simply wrong. Lets look at Sonya as an example. Sonya doesn't have fast jabs that are power up and safe on block like Kung Lao and Jax do, so how can she be played in that fashion? I'm trying my best to speak as simple as possible without calling you a scrub so you can understand where I am coming from, but I feel like I am wasting my time, for you are being ignorant when saying "i'll believe it when i see it". Sonya has no fast jabs so she has to play a more defensive style to win. Shes needs to stand and block, use bits of TKD:3 and b+3 here and there to keep them off guard, and reverse when the opponent is becoming too patter based. I mean honestly, if you can tell me how Sonya can be played in a combo and block fashion that makes sense i'll agree with you, but I know for a fact she cannot.

See, I really don't appreciate the "everyone is obviously as bad with Cyrax and Kitana as you are". Not only does it make you look bad, but it makes me want to give up on teaching you the right way of playing/seeing this game. I'm not one to brag, but I am pretty good with Cyrax. I enjoy playing him, and I have some pretty mean set ups that atleast makes him competetible with some of the mid tier characters to some extent, but I know hes not good. It's not the fact that I don't know how to play Cyrax. It's not that I lose to my brother/friend's bo rai chos and quan chi's all the time, because I dont. I just know that in serious play against people who are just as good as me or even better I shouldn't and wont use cyrax. He's just not good. As for Kitana, you are correct. I suck with Kitana, but I do know that she sucks even more than Cyrax. I will show you the many errors in your strategies with her later on in this post.

"I know because the minimum requirements for Zsnes is high. The whole whopping 255mhz. Shut up bitch. I would fucking destroy you in about 10 seconds each round. It wouldn't even be funny. And I would talk shit everyday to you. Why? Because I proved to you I know what I'm talking about through actually playing you. Not some game we'll probably never play against. Go back to hiding from me again. You're much better that way."

I have a pentium 1 processor. No one in my family knows computers well enough to assist me in fixing it, and I really don't have the cash to upgrade it or even get a new computer. When Im over my GF's or my uncle's i'll try to get Zsnes to play you in the old school MKs.

I honestly don't know if you'd beat me in the old MKs or not because I've never seen you post up strats so it's hard me to judge unless i actually played you, but if I won or not wouldnt matter to me. I'm not "hiding from you". Newsflash..MK is a game. It's not a life or death situation so I feel no need to "hide" from you. If I had a better computer i'd play you. You say you'd destroy me in 10 seconds? Good, I hope you know I was about 4 years old when MK1 came out,5 years old when MK2 came out,7 years old when MK3 came out, and 8 years old when MK4 came out. I never took the series seriously till this game, so you beating me in it means absolutely nothing to me.

Who knows? You could be great in the old mks, but saying things like "its balanced" and that "its about blocking in comboing" doesnt make you sound very convincing. Maybe you're just a good player with SEVERELY flawed logic when it comes to MK, but I for some reason doubt that. You could be leaps ands bounds ahead of me in the old mks, but I do know for a fact that while my knowledge of it isnt as great as some of the old skool mk gurus that no mk was balanced. I know enough about all the old MKs just from talking to MKL,Ray and reading some of Lex's stuff at shoryuken.com to tell you who dominates in the old mks and who outright sucks. I also know enough to tell you thats it not about blocking and comboing..never was, and hopefully it never will be. So if your as good as you say, forgive me for insulting you, but you brought it upon yourself with such ludicrous comments.

"Someone getting owned isn't on the pissed end of an argument. But it's always easier to say "OWNED!" at the end of a reply to make yourself look superior. I did it when I was 15 too and trust me, it doesn't work. For I'm still here, sticking by my original comments. Not because I'm deluded. But because like I told you. Until I see it, I'll believe it. Until then, shhhh."

Im not trying to look superior, I just know I am when it comes to MKDA. Your "strategies" show this. Again, I repeat this post is not meant to insult you, it's just how it is. Maybe those strategies work against your friends, but it wouldn't work against me or anyone else who knows DA.

I don't call you a scrub to be superior. I call you a scrub because its how you come off to be. By making ludicrous comments and trying to make me seem like I don't know what I am talking about. Im not asking you to respect me. Hell, im not even asking you to like me, but dont talk to me like I dont have a clue about this game just because im way younger than you and because you are a "vet". That's all I am asking.


"Am I reading the same reply over and over again? This is really really sad."

Yes, it is really sad that I had to ask you about five times before you actually post up some strats. It's also sad that after posting up all the reasons as to why Cyrax and Kitana CANT win in high levels of play that you still seem to think they can.

"No thanks. I'll continue being the scrub. It's obvious I don't own the game and never play. Is this the Street Fighter forum? What's Sub's snowball attack again?"

Hmm..so who's showing off their "teen angst" now? Now only are being COMPLETELY immature, but you're being ignorant by saying "ill continue being a scrub".





"Ouch owned yourself there. You replying to my scrubby ass means you're just as big of a scrub as me. Next."

No, me replying to you shows my dedication to the point I am trying to prove. If I were saying that Kitana and Cyrax couldn't win in serious play without giving up strategies I would be a scrub, but that is NOT what I am doing.


"I am an MK vet. As I will clearly show you by whipping your ass over Zsnes if you descide to quit hiding one day. One can only hope."

Maybe you are a veteran of the old mks, but it's pretty obvious that you haven't grasped the fact that DA is absolutely nothing like the old mks. Two years ago maybe you could of gotten away with the "all the characters played the same argument" because while specials moves really determined whether someone was good or not they all did have the same basic attacks, but this is not the mk of old. This is Mortal Kombat: Deadly Alliance. The game where everyone has a completely different moves and stances.

You say I am hiding, and you can think that if you want to. Just like everyone thought I purposely didnt show up to ECC8 to play MKL. I don't care what you are anyone else thinks. I know the truth, and you want to have this false belief of me fearing you and hiding from playing you just so you can feel superior then that is fine. So whatever.




"No I knew the infinites. Never knew they were infinites though because I never tried them outside of practice. As I clearly explained my last post. Next."

This is not the point, and for some reason I think you know my point and are trying to avoid it. My point is that you posted early in this topic that you wanted to know the infinites so you can piss of friends, then about month later you post "no one who has as much self respect for one's self as me uses infinites" or something along the lines of that. Now come on, unless something is wrong with me you are being a complete hypocrite. MK is about cheese. Damaging combos,nasty set ups/mix ups and infinites. Maybe you are insecure about yourself, but if I were you I wouldn't be.


"Certain tounraments have rules anyway about infintes and how you can't do them. If there were tournaments for cash prizes and infinites legal, I'd be all up in it too. But it wouldn't be much of a tournament as most MK tourneys aren't anyway."

Most MK tournaments allow infinites. At first I didnt even like the DA infinites because they are alot easier to set up and do then in the old mks, but that doesnt have much to do with anything.

"Am I talking to MKL or Versatile here? I swear ol' Vers knew nothing about past MK games and is scared to play me. But now he's telling me (I think that's him anyway) how the pas MK games are played again. I swear, and I could be wrong here, that this upcoming paragraph had NOTHING to do with balance, MKDA, or who's better at MKDA:"

I never said I knew NOTHING about the old school MKs, and if I did I was just exagerrating. I simply dont know as much as the the older players. Ive seen some of the top players play the old school MKs, and ive talked to a lot of the most respected old schooler mk players out there, and they've all told me that its not about blocking and comboing. That is a small part of it, but there is more to it than just that..a lot more. in low levels of play thats what it's about, but in serious play that wont get you far.



"*looks for it* Hey how did this turn into an MKDA argument again? Ah yes the 15 year old who can't comprehend a sentence."

It turned into an MKDA because you assume that I was "afraid of you" . So i basically found something you dont know much about and made fun of you about it..MKDA. Yes, I am wrong to turn something that had nothing to do about MKDA into another arguments, but I simply couldn't resist.


"BAHAHAHA I love predictions about upcoming games, movies, etc. Tell me who will be in MK6 so I can start training by taping "MK6" on a piece of paper, tape it on my tv, and push buttons on my MK controller just imagining what the moves and combos will be like."

I never..ever said anything about whos returning and who will be changed. What I did say,however, is that the core engine will be the same and that balance will probably still be an issue judging my Midway's nature. Afterall, no MK has ever been balanced.

"First BRC's puke and stomp are very overrrated among you players. They're insanely slow and anyone who can't see them coming is an idiot."

No one ever overhyped bo rai cho's stomp. It's not a good move, it's just guaranteed if 3,2 hits, and guaranteed damage is always a good thing.

The puke is not overrated, especially when 99% of anything that Kitana does is blocked she eats it along with an infinite which = game over. Puke set ups are not overrated. d+4 stuns them long, and if stunned them for just a second or two longer the puke would be 100% guaranteed. But even though its not guaranteed its very difficult to avoid. Set ups such as 3,2,puke work well too. YOu block 3,2 and try to retaliate while bo lets out a puke. Yes, I take a bit of health, but your on the puddle slipping..leaving you open to what? That's right..the infinite.



"Kitana is an outstanding defensive player. Her sidestep into the Pretty Kick is very effective to push your opponent away. Same for her shove and b+4 in Eagle Claw. Quick sidestepping BRC's puke if she blocks his 2,3 isn't that difficult either and will get him hurt."

Kitana is not an outstanding defensive character. Shes not an outstanding anything. She sucks. Side stepping is futile in MKDA because 99% of the moves in the game can track you down whether you side step or not. Side stepping BRC's puke if Bo does 2,3 is just fine, but what if he does do 2,3,puke? What if he does 2,3, then you side step and instead of puking he does 3,2? Then you eat 18% and a guaranteed ground stomp. Even if you do maanage to block the 3,2, you just got lucky. The same set up will happen again and again, and unless you're the luckiest man on earther you will NOT guess right all the time. The pretty kick sucks. If your oppoent doesnt universal track and you side step you should follow up with her 40% juggle, not her friggen low damage pretty kick.

"Her 1,4,4,cs,3,f+3,cs,2,2,2,f+2 is a nice 40% combo."

Yes, a nice 40% combo that will harldy hit anyone. Kitana has no method of setting that juggle up because the beginnign move(1) hits high. So she basically has to block and pray that the opponent screws up bad/ not to mention even if she hits the 40% juggle all BRC has to do is touch eher once and he can initiate the infinite to end the game.

"Follow that up with a 2,2,2,b+4 and you'll get his health in reasonable range to finish him off if he's stupid enough to puke again. I like taking risks so I LOVE her fan impale. If it connects It's over. Her pretty kick, b+4 in EC, and backflip secure her a victory as time will expire. Because by that time BRC will try to get in quick hits to catch up but even so Kitana is too quick and will sidestep his shit with ease for another combo to finish him."

This situation never happens with a good BRC player. you will never get to hit b+4 or the 40% juggle because bo is ALWAYS in your face. And even if you do get to use the 40% or b+4 guess what happens if you are blocked? Yup, INFINITE! Sory if I make it seem like Kitana only gets ripped by Bo, but she gets killed by all of the top 19. Sub gets an ice shaker off most of her blocked crap, frost gets her infinite as well, while big timers like Hsu Hao and Jax get massive damage as well.
"This isn't the only way to beat him because let's face it, you don't know what you're opponent will pull or do. As long as you know how to mix it up every match you'll be playing just fine with her. She's not the most powerful but she is quick enough to avoid someone like BRC unless the person playing as her tries to use her as an offensive powerhouse. "

You wont get chances to mix it up when being pressured. Even defensive characters kill her sense she cant keep an offense without being risky. She sucks dude..plain and simple. You are right about offensive players not winning, but defnsive players have a slim chance as well. Shes not quick either. Both move wise and walking wise i find her pretty damn slow.

So this is it..post what you want. Say its my teen rage,etc..i dont care. Im not gonna waste my time trying to make a point to you anymore. Done and done.


MKL I know you hate Li Mei, but id like to hear some strats with her. I think shes better than you think because of LHBF: 2,4 and LHBF: 2. Lets hear some stuff.