Whenever Ed is asked about the improvements to the game play, all he says is that there are now combo breakers, and you can move faster.

That's about it, then he talks a lot about the other features.

Just by listening to him talk, you pretty much know how the game is going to be. If the fighting engine was really great, he would be bragging about it instead of just giving a 1 sentence answer.

"We've done that"

Come on now, that's just one thing that gives it away.

I mean, if I was making the fight engine really good, I would be bragging about it, getting the fans hyped up about it.

But all I hear is yeah, we've done that, when I hear those words, I'm like nooooooooooooooo!

And the little things I've heard and seen about the game play don't give me much hope.


But they are just starting out in the real 3D fighting style, so I still have some hope for future MKs. But then when I look at MKs past, I see that they like to keep things pretty much the same even if they have a lot of room for improvement.

And speaking of Virtua Fighter.. how many re-hashes did it take them to come up with Evo anyways? Virtua Fighter focused on their fighting engine the whole time. As far as levels.. etc.. simplistic in every way.

How this can even compare to a game that was once in the 2D era is beyond me. Of course it's fighting looks and plays good!

Same fight in the racing game world.. Gran Turismo's gameplay to games like Need For Speed Underground's themeplay. Damnit all.. damn all games.

cartmansp Wrote: Bleed Wrote: cartmansp Wrote: TonyTheTiger Wrote: I know I'm gonna enjoy this game because of the cool fearures (Puzzle Kombat, Chess Kombat, Konquest, Deathtraps, Multi-Tiered levels, Stage Weapons, New Characters, Returning Characters, Online, ect.) See this is what bugs me and other players and what is seen as a problem. Where is Fighting on that list. Seems like most fans look forward to MK for everything but the fighting, even though it's a fighting game. ????????????????? If you had read my whole post, you would've seen I don't need a deep fighting engine to have fun. And that's all I look for in a video game, fun.

Actually, yeah I did read your whole post, that's why I posted the comment I did.

Now I can understand that you don't need a deep fighter to have fun, but a deeper fighter is better, much better.

And you can still have fun with it because it will basically be the same as MKD, but with a ton of extra stuff.

Like I've said before, If some people just want to mash the buttons, or just do the same couple of combos over than over, then that's OK.

If that's what's fun for you, go ahead, knock your self out.

To me, the deeper and more complex the game is, the more fun I have with it, because there are so many more things I can do.

I guess you could compare it to having all the extra stuff in MKD.





PS: Sorry if I sound harsh, I just like to speak logically so people understand what I'm saying.

Raiden_is_god Wrote: I never said i didn;t want the game to get better I said its great as it is. The fighting system has improved a lot over the years. But I ain't saying midways lazy like all you said dressing up ringouts. WTF your saying you rather have a gay invisible wall. Also for the guy that says wait until the games out like MIdways gonna change anything. All you guys are saying that you know the fighting systems the same. How because you have ppl who played the 20% complete version. YOU DON'T KNOW THATS WATS PISSING ME OFF. Then you have the balls to say it's gonna suck like DA. Now FLSTYLE(and a few others not many) are right on when he said he cares about the game which I 100% agree with him there. But he's not saying that this games gonna suck. Just the next time around they need to be more in depth with it. I TOTALLY AGREE. But for all of you complaining about a game you haven't played STFU until you play it. Now if they don;t fix it by MK7 then I'll be bitching with you guys.

well atleast someone on the other side of the arguement understands.

i do agree though i'll revive my opinions in this thread after i've given Deception a try, it's only fair but as said previously Boon hasn't exactly been boasting about the fighting engine, so i'm not expecting a great deal of change from Deadly Alliance.

As for the ring out problem i wouldn't mind walls that were used in Tekken 4, i liked that idea but i'll give the ring out a go 1st.

wingsofredemption Wrote: And speaking of Virtua Fighter.. how many re-hashes did it take them to come up with Evo anyways? Virtua Fighter focused on their fighting engine the whole time. As far as levels.. etc.. simplistic in every way.

They did VF4, then VF4E, and now they are going to come out with VF4 final tuned.

They are trying to perfect their fight engine, so they take advice from the fans, and implement that in to the game.

The can fix the little details easier, if they don't have to worry about making a whole new game.

It's also a good way for them to squeeze a few more buck out of the fans pockets. $$$ (insert register bell sound here)

VF4 wasn't a humungus transition from the days of 3, and 3tb.. blargh.. a good enough one yes.. but I'm speaking in terms of re-hashment.

Actually, yeah I did read your whole post, that's why I posted the comment I did.

Now I can understand that you don't need a deep fighter to have fun, but a deeper fighter is better, much better.

And you can still have fun with it because it will basically be the same as MKD, but with a ton of extra stuff.

Like I've said before, If some people just want to mash the buttons, or just do the same couple of combos over than over, then that's OK.

We just have different opinions on what fun is.

If that's what's fun for you, go ahead, knock your self out.

I will.

To me, the deeper and more complex the game is, the more fun it I have with it, because there are so many more things I can do.

Good for you.

I guess you could compare it to having all the extra stuff in MKD.

Yes, yes I can.

Just because it's Mortal Kombat, that doesn't mean that it doesn't need a story line. Virtua Fighter 4 Evo.was one of the best games of 2002/2003 because not only did the characters vary in fighting styles, but all of them had an actual lvl of difficulty that would take anyone months to master,unlike DA when all you had to do is go through the shallow konquest mode and become a master. Virtua Fighter not only had a more diverse cast of characters, but its fighting engime made DA crap its pants. It's not always determines a fighting game, it's also the depth of the engine, and emersion factor. True games about who has the best looking characters that like SC aren't as good as Mortal Kombat but I enjoyed playing that and unlocking things that actualy inhanced gameplay and not just wasted my time and money.

If the MK team doesn't realize that it won't matter how many modes or new features the games if the fighting engine blows harder then a wind tunnel it will always fall to the way side. Look at DOA3, it had your standard 1 player, vs, time attack, survivor, training, 8 man match, all of these are in all other fighting games but what made it so awesome was the fighting engine and graphics, not all the modes it had.

cartmansp Wrote: Versatile Wrote: I really hate the "you haven't played it yet" argument. But you haven't played it and the people who have played it only played 20% of it. MK:DA was very rushed. MK:Deception won't be.

I am NOT talking about the 20% build at E3.

Forgive them Father...they don't know what they're saying....

"OK just STFU while your ahead. The games fine there not lazy they did it too make the game more fun so its not boring. Would you rather have a invisible wall I wouldn't."

Ringouts are good and dandy, or "sophisticated death traps" as you would probably say, but that does not make MKD THAT MUCH BETTER than MKDA. It's just eye candy for people like you.

"OH an let me guess you so called sources played the game at E3 what a great thing they played a game that was 20% complete hmmm don't you think they can change if they want."

Like I said, nobody was talking about the 20% build version. That shit is dated and not worth discussing.

"SO wait until the Fucker's out. I would bet you 100,000,000 Dollars you couldn't do any better."

Because I can't do a better job does not mean I can't comment on something I think looks broken and simplistic. I can't do better, but they can, and that is why I am commenting on what I see.

"I would love to see all you try to make a top selling game."

It wouldn't be very difficult with blood n gore crazy jackasses like you roaming the nation.

"If you don;t like what there doing simply don;t buy it. Because the rest of us true Diehard fans don;t care. Your not gonna stop us from buying it."

So you are a diehard fan because you ignore the game's faults? So I am not a diehard fan because I see the problems with a series a I love so much and want them to be addressed? That's basically what you are saying. That's fine with me. You think that. Me? I think you're a tard. I am not trying to stop you from buying the game. I am not discouraging anyone from picking up the title, for I am picking up the title myself, but I say these things in HOPE that someone from Midway will read what some of us are saying and want to make a difference.

"ecause it seems like you guys aren;t satisfied with it. What I do when I'm not satisfied with a game I don;t buy it. So if your gonna buy it then shut up. Because no one wants to hear you bitch and put down this awesome game."

Again...how do you know it's awesome? You haven't played it, and you know far less about the game than I do. You are judging pictures,videos(which arent impressive at all) and what mk5.org tells you is good. If you don't want to hear us bitch then don't click on the topic. Common sense.

" didn't really like DA but I didn;t bitch about it."

You'd have to be a retard and a half to not like DA but think MKD is going to be awesome. It's the same engine with a few additions, more modes and ring outs. The gameplay is basically untouched(combo breakers not implimented yet). It's actually less than what MKDA since there are no power ups,impales or taunts yet.

FLSTYLE Wrote: Raiden_is_god Wrote: SO wait until the Fucker's out. I would bet you 100,000,000 Dollars you couldn't do any better. I would love to see all you try to make a top selling game. If you don;t like what there doing simply don;t buy it. Because the rest of us true Diehard fans don;t care. Your not gonna stop us from buying it. i wouldn't call you die-hard fans, i'd call you ignorant fans, ignorant to the fact that without gameplay, Mortal Kombat will just fade away into computer gaming history, very slowly and very painfully. the bottom line is that a fighting game cannot last long without gameplay, if u're after the storylines etc. u're in the wrong place. Mortal Kombat is a game not a film and unless something is done it will become a crap game, Deception will probably keep the series going 4 now, because of so many new things being introduced, but Mortal Kombat can't be carried by extras forever eventually it will have to become a good "fighting" game like the rest. nuff sed

I didn't read this until replying to that guy, but maybe I should of. I respect MK fans like you. It's good to know not all of us fans are simple minded and will take anything Midway pulls out of their asshole.

*X*BloodyEyes Wrote: Forgive them Father...they don't know what they're saying....

Forgive this guy father for he clearly doesn't understand what we're saying.

We're not having a go at MK, Boon or Deception but we're just saying what will be said in 8 months time a bit early, fair enough we've not played Deception yet but it's obvious what's going to happen.

eventually boon+co well have to give some thought to the fighting engine before the MK series goes down the drain even if they introduce new extra modes.

FLSTYLE Wrote: *X*BloodyEyes Wrote: Forgive them Father...they don't know what they're saying.... Forgive this guy father for he clearly doesn't understand what we're saying. We're not having a go at MK, Boon or Deception but we're just saying what will be said in 8 months time a bit early, fair enough we've not played Deception yet but it's obvious what's going to happen. eventually boon+co well have to give some thought to the fighting engine before the MK series goes down the drain even if they introduce new extra modes.

Exactly, I couldn't agree more. Before MK can come out with any new mode and sink the franchise lower into the ground let them perfect what they develope first, and not cover it up.

cartmansp Wrote: Actually, yeah I did read your whole post, that's why I posted the comment I did. Now I can understand that you don't need a deep fighter to have fun, but a deeper fighter is better, much better. And you can still have fun with it because it will basically be the same as MKD, but with a ton of extra stuff. Like I've said before, If some people just want to mash the buttons, or just do the same couple of combos over than over, then that's OK. We just have different opinions on what fun is. If that's what's fun for you, go ahead, knock your self out. I will. To me, the deeper and more complex the game is, the more fun I have with it, because there are so many more things I can do. Good for you. I guess you could compare it to having all the extra stuff in MKD. Yes, yes I can.

......... different as night and day.

Still, you said nothing to contradict what I said, So my point still stands.

it's simple really. people were crying like children when mkda didn't have enough eye candy fatalities when it came out. the majority cried. ed boon saw that and addressed it. since he listens, people who actually care about more important things like gameplay are complaining about it in hopes he makes it better. he listens so don't expect threads like these to stop. infact, i encourage them. people who care more about gameplay than fatalities need to be the majority. they're the true fans.

MENTHOL Wrote: it's simple really. people were crying like children when mkda didn't have enough eye candy fatalities when it came out. the majority cried. ed boon saw that and addressed it. since he listens, people who actually care about more important things like gameplay are complaining about it in hopes he makes it better. he listens so don't expect threads like these to stop. infact, i encourage them. people who care more about gameplay than fatalities need to be the majority. they're the true fans.

^^^^^^ speaks the truth

Yeah well, I was playing SC2 with my friend and I totally got smoked. After I paid attention to blocking, countering, dodging his moves, and knowing when to do more powerful moves, low blocking and high blocking, and using his technic's weaknesses against him, did I do okay and not get smoked quite as bad... man in MKDA I was used to just getting in a combo and letting my endless string do the talking... played Doa3 and hd to use reversals, backward moves, ground moves, and above technics to gain advantages against my opponents... but I've seen many of these posts... I encourage them also... Boon needs to listen and create a better fighting engine so I am somewhat challenged with MKD... I had a fighting system wishlist thread somewhere in the depths of the board... I think the concerns we have should be addressed there or in a similar thread... later

u guys are only complaining about the game...I would like to see u guys doing a game as complex as mk....don't complain about a game that u only SAW 20%...including the gameplay...so U Stfu...like, boon and co are giving us the things that we asked and begged for...and we still complain about...it must be too frustrating for them... I repeat it AGAIN

THANK YOU BOON...and listen to those guys...they know what they're talking about...they're experienced when it comes to diss PERFECT GAMES

You know what........with all the stuff we have seen in the game, I doubt that it's really 20% finished.

That's like nothing, and they don't have much time left.

It looks to me more like 50%.

hola. i think boon needs to change MK gameplay a lot. other games are evolving while boon keeps the same old one vs. one where there is not much variety. unlike some other fighting games that can have up to four players fighting at once. and sure, he added konquest mode which is a nice bonus, but compared to a game like Vice City konquest looks like shit. no offence to anybody, but running around as a monk isn't that cool. oh and by they way, he also needs to trim his eye brows. seriously, those suckers are huge. i got ten bucks saying he has to shave them everyday just to get them from connecting to his side burns.

oh and to those who said we should all stop complaining i'd just like to say that i personally gave up friends, family, relationships, school, religion, and work so i could sit on my ass eating cheetohs and complaining about everything. so stop complaining about others complaining and impress me!!

*X*BloodyEyes Wrote: u guys are only complaining about the game...I would like to see u guys doing a game as complex as mk....don't complain about a game that u only SAW 20%...including the gameplay...so U Stfu...like, boon and co are giving us the things that we asked and begged for...and we still complain about...it must be too frustrating for them... I repeat it AGAIN THANK YOU BOON...and listen to those guys...they know what they're talking about...they're experienced when it comes to diss PERFECT GAMES

the exact same person it was b4 who misunderstood the points we were givin.

may i draw your attention to the part i mentioned before were i clearly stated we are not complaining about Deception, we are making points about the MK series that people will be saying in a few years time when everyone talks about how bad the Mortal Kombat series will become because the fighting engine in general not just Deception at E3, it isn't good enough and a good series will have a bad and premature ending.

Mortal Kombat is far from perfect. it needs a lot of work done if it is to last much longer with the other fighter games out there

Bleed Wrote: ......... different as night and day. Still, you said nothing to contradict what I said, So my point still stands.

I didn't try to contradict anything you said, I was just pointing out that I have no problem with MK:Deception.

MENTHOL Wrote: it's simple really. people were crying like children when mkda didn't have enough eye candy fatalities when it came out. the majority cried. ed boon saw that and addressed it. since he listens, people who actually care about more important things like gameplay are complaining about it in hopes he makes it better. he listens so don't expect threads like these to stop. infact, i encourage them. people who care more about gameplay than fatalities need to be the majority. they're the true fans.

Pwnage.

MENTHOL Wrote: it's simple really. people were crying like children when mkda didn't have enough eye candy fatalities when it came out. the majority cried. ed boon saw that and addressed it. since he listens, people who actually care about more important things like gameplay are complaining about it in hopes he makes it better. he listens so don't expect threads like these to stop. infact, i encourage them. people who care more about gameplay than fatalities need to be the majority. they're the true fans.

The true MK fan.














Can't touch this.