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Unless you've been living under a rock for the last 12 plus years, you pretty much know that EGM has hated every MK game after MK2. Since MK3, EGM has consistently been at least a point below the average of most other game review online or print publications.

You may have also noticed that EGM tends to bash Mortal Kombat whenever they actually manage to get news (bear in mind that the news usually comes several months AFTER most other publications). I've read in EGM such enlightening comments as "porno quality storyline" and "horribly outdated" for games that scored alot better in everywhere from IGN to Gamespot to Game Informer to Game Pro than EGM.

Well, now we know why. According to Dan Hsu, the Editor and Chief of EGM, in his latest Editor's column (The newest one with Smash Bros on the cover... If it's not out on store shelves yet, it will be soon), Hsu bemoans the state of crooked practices in the gaming industry when it comes to reviews. He basically implied that some companies will grant exclusives (by that I mean the first reviews out of the gate) to magazines or sites that will be giving the game high scores.

He also stated that EGM is on the "banned" list for certain companies or developers. Now this could come from the developers simply not liking the way their game was reviewed (personally, I find many of the EGM reviewers to be very snide, stuck up, type A power geeks, but they are accurate some of the time). Or the banning could come from the higher ups at the game company who simply don't want to grant access to a media publication that hates their product.

This was the case with Ubisoft and Assassins Creed. EGM gave Assassins Creed the "award" for "Game we're most worried about" in an E3 article in their magazine. Ubisoft decided to bring EGM in and have them look at the game again in a more finished fashion to change their minds. But EGM looked at it, thought it was repetetive and gave, arguably, the lowest scores out of any publication I've seen (I believe they were 7.0, 6.0 and 4.5).

Ubisoft knew that EGM didn't like the game, so they placed a press embargo on Assassins Creed (no reviews until a specified point in time), EGM was very late in getting the embargo lifted because Ubisoft didn't want their bad reviews to be some of the first out of the gate when the game was released. After the reviews came out, Ubisoft was none too pleased.

This, coupled with a 1UP.com blogger posting a message on IGN basically stating that if EGM had been bribed with either an exclusive first review or something of the like, EGM might have been more favorable in their review. Ubisoft took this blogger to be an EGM employee and immediatly banned EGM from access to all of their games. Hsu maintains that the "misunderstanding" was traced to a blog by a person who was not working for EGM, and the name of the person (not known to be the bloggers real name) is not the name of any employee at EGM.

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So.... You might be wondering.... What the heck does this have to do with MK or MK8? Well, if you haven't guessed it already, yes.... MK has a ban on EGM as well. Hsu didn't go into details, but the reason why this is becoming a big deal is the fact that Hsu actaully named names of companies that have banned EGM for unfavorable coverage.

Hsu is making EGM out to look like a martyr in this whole mess. But you know what? I don't feel sorry for him or EGM. Not one bit. Ever since MK3, EGM has been vicious to the MK series, mocking it whenever they choose to actually cover it. Guess what SHOE? Developers don't like it when you say that their storyline is "porno quality."

Developers don't like it when their game is ragged on, mocked, and joked about. People work hard to make video games and EGM sees that and sees fit to have a whole section devoted to mocking games, hosted by that dispicable poser Seanbaby. No Sean, you're not funny, your geek expressions are lame, and you take up pages in a magazine for absolutely no reason. Take that garbage to the internet.

If a company doesn't like the way a magazine is treating them, then they have every right to pull support, be it ads or access. EGM is taking the stance that companies are trying to buy good reviews by holding their content at ransom. Personally, I think it's more a matter of companies getting tired of EGM crapping on anything not named Mario, Metal Gear, or a few other games that get automatic passes in their reviews.

Okay, that might be going too far, but to get back on point... EGM has to accept the fact that there are consequences to their snobbery. They seem to think that a 7 is a good score, when every other publication working on a 10 point scale sees a 7 as average. Until EGM gets rid of this archaic reveiw system, they're going to keep pissing people off.

Believe me, I'm not just saying this as an MK fan. EGM, you are not the victim of some moustache twirling villain in a black hat. You're not the little guy. EGM was once an awesome magazine. Ed Semrad did a great job, but the past four or five years have seen that magazine fall into decay.

Less content, less up to the minute news, less stories, smaller previews (whatever happened to 10 page blowouts on a game or even two games a single issue?) The content has become more aggressive in that they make fun of almost every letter sent to them with clever little jabs at the person who took the time to send them a response to whatever topic they were talking about, and the reviews rarely seem to take the "fun" part of the game into account. Instead, they sound more like the Simpson's Comic Book Guy in disecting little details that no one but the "game geek" would care about.

Overall, the magazine has become a very jaded and cynical version of its former self. Which is a shame, since I was collecting EGM since I was about 15. I stopped subscribing a long time ago, but I used to buy the magazine every now and then.

Now I see a big cover for Street Fighter 4 on their most recent issue (the one before Smash Bros) and then I hear Hsu talking about Midway banning EGM from contact with the MK team and I just can't put up with them anymore. Hearing Hsu in the EGM podcast (1/7/08) talking about Street Fighter like it was Gods gift to the gaming industry made me sick.

Street Fighter was a good game that started a trend, Mortal Kombat was a good game that caught the attention of the mainstream media and has sold millions upon millions over the years. SF was a good game in its time, MK was a phenomenon. That might sound cheesy but it's true. To me, it almost seems like Hsu hates MK because of that fact. Because in his mind, SF is the superior product, but MK got the sales and the mainstream attention.

So yeah, don't expect to get any real info on MK8 from EGM. If you didn't know it already, you know now. EGM has been banned from the MK team's offices (not all of MIdway mind you, just the MK team). Even if EGM wasn't banned, they'd still probably rag on the game because they're cheap and petty individuals. Whether it's their long standing hatred of the series because of a love for Street Fighter, or their snarky little quips, jibes and straight up insults about MK because that's what this magazine has become over the years, it is what it is.

So don't bother with EGM, they'll be the last to get any news and when they do get news, it'll most likely be tinged with sarcasm and BS. You might as well also discount any reviews by them since Deadly Alliance, since (as rumor has it) the MK team pulled out of an exclusive preview of MK:DA when EGM supposedly hated the game and instead awarded the preview to PSM. EGM hasn't had a good MK review since, then, but I'd also say since MK3. Either way, you get the picture.

Don't pity EGM, and don't look to them for anything MK. They won't have until everyone else has had it..
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01/16/2008 04:45 AM (UTC)
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Oh yeah, I almost forgot. If you want to hear the words regarding the bannings from Hsu's mouth, it's on the EGM Live Pocast (The January 14th, 2008 one)
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01/16/2008 04:51 AM (UTC)
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I'm sorry that my previous post was so long (the first one I mean) but I almost feel vindicated after several years of not knowing why EGM hated the MK games when everyone else seemed to like them (maybe other publications didn't LOVE them, but they did like them on the whole).

EGM tries to have this whole "responsible journalist" approach, but I don't believe for a second that they're above any other game publication in trying to get exclusives to draw readers. The only difference between them and other mags is that other magazines don't have to constantly defend themselves when it comes to giving certain games or systems preferential treatment.

It would seem that it works both ways for EGM though. They bash games that they have to go out and buy from the store like us common folk. Which again leads me to believe that part of the reason why they hate MK so much is because they probably hate the MK team themselves.

I hope that Ed Boon never speaks to that rag ever again.
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01/16/2008 05:00 AM (UTC)
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Well before I say anything, I would just like to say to Baraka that I have read every bit of what you said, so don't feel like I have skipped anything.

Now I have a question for you. And I have a theory as to why EGM is doing this whole two bit dance with Midway's MK and Ubisoft. Are they trying to get publicity? Any negative news can be seen as positively upping the magazine's "notoriety" factor. Do you think this may be a cause and effect type of thing?

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01/16/2008 07:11 AM (UTC)
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Notariety? Hmm... Well, I tend to see EGM as a magazine that's constantly trying to legitimize itself above it's peer magazines. You know, EGM is for the smart gamer, the gamer that "gets it." Even their attempts at humor nowadays tend to lean towards the "you'll only get this joke if you played this obscure title or know about this aspect of power geek pop culture."

As far as attracting attention to themselves, yeah, I think it's a consequence, absolutely. So by that logic it could certainly look like an intended ploy to drum up publicity for themselves while at the same time isolating those that have been isolating them.

But I think that most likely Dan Hsu was just fed up with the way that game companies and EGM's competition have been shaking hands and exchanging goods behind closed doors. In a way, he seems to be trying to point out seem aspect of game journalism that is negative, but I still maintain that

A) there's no law against it
B) if a few publications give high scores to a bad game, those scores will still be drowned out by the many blogs, websites and magazines that did NOT get the inside scoop and
C) any company has the right to tell a magazine that routinely gives its games a lower score to go eff themselves when that magazine calls up looking for an exclusive, review or otherwise.

But personally, I seriously doubt that if this were the climate that EGM finds itself in, that they wouln't sink with the rest of the sharks and try to do what needs to be done to land the big exclusive. Ask any magazine if they do what Hsu's talking about and they'll act like you just stepped on their cat and then kicked it into traffic. So even if EGM broke the story, and it's as bad as Hsu says it is, I find it hard to believe that EGM has never swallowed their journalistic integrity in favor of landing the exclusive first breaking news of some major title.

Lastly, I kind of find this to be a bit of a joke in the fact that Hsu seems to think that video game journalists are somehow on par with CNN reporters or San Francisco Chronicle writers. Dude, you write for a video game magazine. Guess what? It's ONE BIG ADVERTISEMENT FOR GAMES!! Between the ACTUAL advertisements you have previews, or articles to help you keep a game in mind. Then you have reviews. Is it a good game? Go out and spend money on it!

Seriously, the only part that really bothers me is how afronted he is by the fact that companies and/or developers would put EGM on the ban list given how EGM has become such a jaded, snarky shadow of its' former self. It's almost as if Hsu is saying "Hey, privately owned company! Don't take your product away from me! I want to hate on it some more!"
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01/16/2008 08:19 AM (UTC)
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Well this is getting ridiculous. This is just more elitist garbage coming out from an what otherwise should be a respectable magazine.

BTW, looking back on things, I should have seen this coming. Only dweebs read that magazine. If these people wanna over analyze how and why everything went wrong after MK2, that that is entirely within their discretion. Just don't expect everyone to read that garbage.

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01/16/2008 09:56 PM (UTC)
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I knew about this long ago, I heard that they lost having the opportunity to review MK games first after MKII, so they started hating on the franchise till now.

Screw EGM, I never came close to buying one. Bunch of a-hole nerds criticizing every little thing. This is also why I hate gamespot.

Game Informer is the best vg mag out, and I've subscribed to them for the passed 6 years.

Getting back to subject on MK8, wether who is going to have first coverage, it seems like Game Informer is the one to get them first. Deception however had it's first news/ preview coverage in PSM magazine (I believe it was feb/march, but not sure). I'd say chances are GI will be the first to reveal anything. Here's hoping for the March issue... PLEASE!!!!
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01/18/2008 05:14 AM (UTC)
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Hmm, I'm not sure how you KNEW this a long time ago man. I know that it had been alluded to in the past, but Midway has never released a statement about the banning of EGM from the MK team and EGM has never commented on the banning until now. So either you work for Midway or EGM or maybe you began to take a rumor as fact, I dunno.

I do however agree with you on Game Informer. Their reviews seem to be much more in tune with how I feel about a game when I play it. They also seem to take the fun factor into account, which is something that the techie power geeks over at EGM seemed to have forgotten about a LONG time ago.
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01/18/2008 05:43 PM (UTC)
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Baraka407 Wrote:

Okay, that might be going too far, but to get back on point... EGM has to accept the fact that there are consequences to their snobbery. They seem to think that a 7 is a good score, when every other publication working on a 10 point scale sees a 7 as average. Until EGM gets rid of this archaic reveiw system, they're going to keep pissing people off.


Bollocks, 7 is a perfectly acceptable score for any game to obtain. Its until people like you realise this, then developers can get over hangups about "only" being rated 7/10.

Its not that EGM is harsh in its final marks, its that the competition marks average games higher up than they should do.
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01/18/2008 06:16 PM (UTC)
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JohnBoyAdvance Wrote:
Baraka407 Wrote:

Okay, that might be going too far, but to get back on point... EGM has to accept the fact that there are consequences to their snobbery. They seem to think that a 7 is a good score, when every other publication working on a 10 point scale sees a 7 as average. Until EGM gets rid of this archaic reveiw system, they're going to keep pissing people off.


Bollocks, 7 is a perfectly acceptable score for any game to obtain. Its until people like you realise this, then developers can get over hangups about "only" being rated 7/10.

Its not that EGM is harsh in its final marks, its that the competition marks average games higher up than they should do.


Exactly. Everything above a 5 is above average.
I read an issue of EGM. Too snobby.

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01/18/2008 08:30 PM (UTC)
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01/19/2008 01:42 AM (UTC)
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If a 7 was just "acceptable" as you put it, then EGM would be like every other magazine out there. But EGM views a 7 as a "good" score. There's a difference between good and acceptable. Just like the difference between average and medicore. To EGM, a 5 is average. To Gamespot, a 5 is mediocre. To IGN, a 5 is "meh," which is one step below a 5.5, which IGN calls mediocre. Do you see any differences between these words.

And that's only 2 websites that I just thought of off the top of my head. Sorry, but it's not just an opinion. EGM's skews their scores toward the lower end of the spectrum. In the recent gametrailers podcast where the moderator talked to two people in the business (a developer and a publicist) and Dan Hsu of EGM. The moderator said point blank that EGM tends to skew toward the lower end of the review spectrum and Hsu didn't deny it.

You guys honestly think that it makes sense that one magazine is so anal rententive, so snobbish and technologically oriented over, I dunno, fun oriented that it's scores, seen by a TON of people, are lower than a vast majority of other print and online media?
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01/19/2008 03:00 AM (UTC)
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Yeah...EGM's a joke when it comes to overall gaming and especially MK games, they know nothing when they speak of any of them. And like you said, after Mk3 they bashed all of them...

They suck, GI, GP are a lot better overall.
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01/19/2008 08:55 AM (UTC)
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I'm going to agree with The_Truth on this one. Anything that's 5+ is average or better, so a 7 is certainly a good score.

I've said it before, and I'll say it again, MK Team...

Either make better games or get the collective stick out of your asses, because until either one happens, nobody will take you seriously.
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01/19/2008 10:43 AM (UTC)
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Oh Christ, don't get me started on the .5 bullshit. There are more than enough numbers in a 10 point scale, to say whether or not a game is worth a 5/10 or a 6/10. It's not an exact science, its an opinion. No one is bitch or complain if they thought an 8/10 game was really worth 7/10.

Except maybe the Zelda and Halo fanboys and girls. Can't be sexist in this manner, oh no.

I'd say this was a brave move from the EGM guys, most people have had some suspicions about a few games that get favourable previews and reviews. Especially after the Kane and Lynch/Gamespot shit storm. Actually naming companies that won't give them exclusive content is a bold move.

I believe the column said that they were going to treat games from the companies which won't be giving "exclusives" exactly the same as they always have. Its called journalistic integrity.

No one likes to receive criticism, but if the MK boys and girls don't learn from said criticism, then we are going to have another set of Deadly Alliance/Deception/Armageddon games of meh on our hands.
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01/19/2008 07:09 PM (UTC)
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I don't like EGM. I hate EGM. However I do respect them for the fact that they actually use their score scale. I think it's stupid that a game has to be an 8 or higher to be considered worth playing. I also think it's stupid that people take game review scores so seriously.

Who cares if your favorite game didn't get the 9 you thought it deserved. Boo-fucking-hoo. It's your favorite game so you keep playing your favorite game. Don't let some bloated game reviewer somewhere get you down on something as trivial as a number.

Be angry at Midway for being pussies and not having enough confidence in their work that they won't have their game reviewed by certain people.
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01/19/2008 11:10 PM (UTC)
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I don't think Midway are pussies, I think they treat their workers badly at times with the silly time lines to meet and yet ignorant, retarded reviews or fans blame "MK team"...

Midway has made very good games that never get the credit, newer MK's btw are at least 8+ not 5 bs that's just dumb and wrong it's not even funny then they give VF 5 a perfect 10? it's a joke because not even in the other gaming mags or sites did that game get a perfect 10, EGM's a bunch of arrogant, ignorant bias idiots....sleep
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01/20/2008 10:14 AM (UTC)
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Midway has made very good games that never get the credit, newer MK's btw are at least 8+ not 5 bs that's just dumb and wrong it's not even funny then they give VF 5 a perfect 10? it's a joke because not even in the other gaming mags or sites did that game get a perfect 10, EGM's a bunch of arrogant, ignorant bias idiots....sleep

Man whut?

First of all, Virtua Fighter 5 is just about the finest fighting game ever made in my eyes. If that game doesn't deserve a 10 out of 10, then no game does.

Secondly, what Midway games has actually been better than its direct competition? I'm curious to know this. Possibly PSI-OPS...

I love my Mortal Kombat games as much as the next guy, but if I was asked to say what was the best 3D fighting game, at the moment it would be Virtua Fighter 5.

The current Mortal Kombat games are too clunky and rigid. You get no real feel as to the flow of it. This might be because of the fighting system which uses all of the buttons on a control pad for no real reason.

The motion capture might be perfect for the fight styles but they look awkward and sometimes barely hit the opponent.

The fighting game engine is very flawed. It was born bad with Deadly Alliance and there has been attempts to fix this with Deception and Armageddon. But the engine was by no means perfect in Armageddon. and no where near 8/10 for its fighting alone.

Now, if the MK Team addresses these flaws for MK8 then, I'm sure that EGM (and for the UK; Edge magazine) will write a somewhat more positive review and a justified score to reflect that. But if they don't, don't go blaming them for writing the review and telling you their thoughts and opinions on it.

Besides, its very likely that'll you'll ignore them and learn to love MK8 if it is crap.

Also, the article said only the Mortal Kombat team from Midway. No doubt the rest of Midway might follow suit on this but at the moment its just the Mortal Kombat guys and gals.
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01/20/2008 12:05 PM (UTC)
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I don't like EGM. I hate EGM. However I do respect them for the fact that they actually use their score scale. I think it's stupid that a game has to be an 8 or higher to be considered worth playing. I also think it's stupid that people take game review scores so seriously.

Who cares if your favorite game didn't get the 9 you thought it deserved. Boo-fucking-hoo. It's your favorite game so you keep playing your favorite game. Don't let some bloated game reviewer somewhere get you down on something as trivial as a number.

Be angry at Midway for being pussies and not having enough confidence in their work that they won't have their game reviewed by certain people.


Dope point man. Of all the ratings of all the Mags and Tv shows (like the show XPlay for example) I've learned never to trust them with my taste in gaming too much. ( I went and bought VF4Evo because of a review off of Xplay, and a guy in the "Gamers" store, and I absolutely hated it)

I was sure as shit that CoD4 would get even greater recognition than it did....But alas! It's for various reasons rated beneath BioShock for game of the year? I didn't get it at all at first. But after analyzing why they rated it like they did a little further, I came to realize that it was just my taste that interfered with "their" reasoning.

"They" don't count for shit when it comes down to it, cuz I don't like BioShock. I thought it had a couple cool ideas in it when I played it, but there was nothing unexpected from this generation of consoles in that game that I couldn't image over. Saying that I played it and shrugged it off.

I was surprised that from all the fan rave, Halo wasn't renowned for more of it's qualities. But I don't like Halo either, so what does that say?

So, they can rate Mortal Kombat to the dirt if they want to, but all that really matters is my 1-10 // 1-5 scale. Fuck "them", I'm the one buying what I like. Y'know?

And another thing. I think people forget that these people that rate games have a job to do so....(If you worked at Burger King, how would you rate the last burger you microwaved? ect..) They're rating all sorts of shit all day long.

Not saying that their judgment is clouded or anything. Just saying that if people are going to consider them so critically, don't forget that they got another game to grade right in front, and behind the one you favor. Hell, they could hate the art direction of a game before they even really get into playing it, and that opinion.....that, "distaste" for your game bleeds over into how they interpret and grade the game play too.

Not to discredit of course.

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First of all, Virtua Fighter 5 is just about the finest fighting game ever made in my eyes. If that game doesn't deserve a 10 out of 10, then no game does.


Ahowha!? I don't think it deserves a high score for anything except for having "Great working Game play"(that's huge, I know). Since it's a fighting game it should get 2 points for one, but only in that area. Graphics aren't bad either, but I don't like the art direction or the surroundings I was overwhelmed by when I played it. There's a story there, but it's hollow, and the characters are typical, and forgettable.

I think it's a colorful, noisy, systematically hendered, boring game that does what you tell it to do. Basically, "whoop, we can build a robot."

Meanwhile, Mortal Kombats' problems narrow down to the one thing on a consistent game to game basis..

From smallest problem to biggest now:

1. Characters (almost never an argument there, except for when it comes to under-developed new characters...the older the pre-existing characters get, the more they are relied on.)

2. Graphics & Story(interchangeable depending on the game in question, and also, mostly dependent upon the character in question at the time)

3. Gameplay(always been the problem, but improving over time)

I've seen the arguments, "Gameplay comes first, all the other stuff evolves for the game play afterwards". But my view on it is a slew of analogies...I'll choose one or two though:

"Hard//Efficient workers spend their whole life trying to build character."
(applies to all these tech fighters)

and to be diverse for a second:

"People are only going to like you as long as you can show them a trick."
(applies to MK)

So with all the comparisons, and nagging about MKs' game play faults, they're essentially equals in my opinion. One is just climbing a different latter than the other. I prefer all the media attention MK gets, and the game play latter. That latter is one executive decision away from "perfection".

I don't know what it is about those other games people prefer besides game-play.

*shrug*
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01/20/2008 01:11 PM (UTC)
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I think it's a colorful, noisy, systematically hendered, boring game that does what you tell it to do. Basically, "whoop, we can build a robot."


Are we talking about Mortal Kombat or Virtua Fighter here?tongue That is vague statement.

I'm not going to argue with you on Virtua Fighter because you do bring up valid criticisms on it. And I'm a Sega Boy.

The story is non existent, yet they feel the need to add to it every time. The characters have simple backgrounds and stories.

But I think it comes down to an experience, Mortal Kombat is Mortal Kombat, Virtua Fighter is Virtua Fighter. And they are completely different.

If anything, I prefer the Soul Calibur cast and story over that of anything at the moment.

The only area I feel that Midway needs to improve on is gameplay. Its no good trying to become Tekken with Ice Projectiles because we already have Tekken. MK needs to do something different to separate from the rest of the fighters and still be as good as the competition.

Graphics/Art Design should be good enough.

A bit worried about the characters but then again, who isn't?
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01/22/2008 09:41 AM (UTC)
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I really don ́t care what or where the next MK game is finally revealed the only thing i ́m frustrated about is how long it will be before they reveale anything.

I don ́t want to step on any toes here but i am a big mk fan i i liked deadly alliance and deception but i wasn ́t to crazy about armageddon because it lacked any real improvement over it ́s predecessoer.

The end boss was the same as the one before although he had only slightly different moves. The rest of them had the same fighting styles of the caracters from deception only a few NEW fighting styles and weapons was created.

The mk team should really take theire time to make all the improvements needed the make the game, most of us are waiting for, all it can be and don ́t worry about what anyone else is saying.

I will buy it no matter what anyone else says or writes because theier is only on opinion that counts and that is the one you have yourself.

People could hate on me all they want because im not a big xbox/halo fan because i don ́t listen to what anyone else says i always buy hardware/games that sounds good to me and not what everyone else says i HAVE to buy.

I don ́t have a ps3,xbox360 or wii YET but should midway release MK8 on any of them i will diffenently buy it no matter what.

I really don ́t think that any magazines or websites should tell me what games to buy because i don ́t really trust theire oppinions because they don ́t know what makes a good game to me. Neither should any off you.

Trust your own instincts and dont let stupid things like recent troubles about the state off videogames and theire journalyst cloud your judgement.
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01/23/2008 03:56 AM (UTC)
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EGM,i used to buy/read that magazine a long time ago,now with the internet magazines are useless bathroom paper,unless you collect them.MK news will come soon,im sure of that,we got news always in the first months.

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