Memory Loss To Explain Away Story?
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posted04/26/2008 06:16 PM (UTC)by
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Typically in DC's crossovers (e.g. "JLA vs Avengers" or "Access" + "All Access") they say that after the crossover is done... e.g. after the universes merge and then un-merge, or after the time is spent in the universe where they don't belong... that the characters will no longer be able to remember the whole experience in the first place! I guess this can be a good device to explain why none of the other characters refer to these events, except in future crossovers. But it kinda seems like cheap cop-out where some might see a decent explanation.

So, three questions:
  • Did you know this about crossovers before?
  • Do you see this happening with MK vs DC
  • Would this be a good thing, or a bad thing? Explain why.
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XiahouDun84
04/25/2008 02:18 AM (UTC)
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I never heard of the memory loss thing. I always assumed...with the occasional exception here and there...the majority of crossovers were considered out-of-continuity. For instance, when Spider-Man and Batman had a crossover a few years back, there was no travelling to another dimension or merging of worlds....Spider-Man just took a plane to Gotham City as though it had always been there. Meanwhile, you'll have something like JLA vs. Avengers that DOES involve Marvel and DC existing in other dimensions.

I think it's practical because crossovers are usually intended to be simple, beginning-middle-end stories where the big selling point is the two characters/franchises meet. Imagine something crucial happening in Superman's canon because of something Iron Man did during a crossover? It would just be odd and I believe there are various copyright issues to take into account there.

I'm hoping the same deal is applied with MK vs. DC. I've no real issue with them doing this goofy little crossover game for the fun of it, but I don't want to see the events of this game's story have major impact on MK's canon. I don't want to see a major plot point in Sub-Zero's story be dependent on the involvement of Batman. Also, since they're aiming for iconic value...that most likely means if Liu Kang is in...he'll be alive again. Raiden will be "light" again. And I want neither to occur in canon.

I think it's best they treat this little crossover like most comics treat their crossovers...disposable out-of-continuity tales told for a quick, harmless laugh.
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04/25/2008 02:30 AM (UTC)
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I'm familiar with the memory loss thing, and just like you, I think it would be a cheap cop-out. Those are exactly the words that came to mind as I was reading your sentence.

Instead, like XiahouDun84 is saying, I'd prefer that the crossover be out of continuity.

Since I'm now past the shock of the whole weird concept, I think it'd be best to just treat it like we (fans overall) perceive it for once, and just let it be a goofy occurrence in the franchise history.

I don't wanna step on the writers for this game cuz I respect alot of the work they've done. But honestly, I don't want whatever their writing. Especially not in MK's canon. It doesn't even matter who they are, or how good they are except for this one game. Now, if they were hired to write Mk canon...? Be a "different story"...

Excuse the duality, no pun intended.
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04/25/2008 02:35 AM (UTC)
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I think it's fair to assume a game like this can exist in MK's official storyline, but the odds of it having any significance, or even any reference, seem unlikely.

Obviously Boon's acknowledged they're undecided about whether or not this will established forward momentum in the MK universe. The reticence probably has to come from the fact that there's a larger story to tell here, and layering in too many internal references will create an imbalance between MK and DC characters. That, and the opportunity to ever reference specifics in the future is slim to none. It's not like they're going to want to forkout licensing fees for an off-the-cuff reference to Batman.

To throw up a counter reference from the comics; the first meeting between Spawn and Batman saw substantial lasting effects in the Spawn universe. A batarang that split Spawn's face down the middle was used to carry future plotlines; similarly, during the 90's period of peace between the companies, "Azbat" was able to refer to events from the Batman/Punisher crossover of the time.

So, at least in the vaguest sense, I would expect the event to exist post-game in ways Marvel/DC crossovers often haven't. I think it just comes down to whether or not plotlines from past games are moved forward, because otherwise, there's probably not going to be a lot of reason to reference back.
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04/25/2008 02:42 AM (UTC)
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What could happen that would require mentioning the DC characters by name anyway? Even if something major happens, like Quan Chi being Joker-gassed leaving him with perma-smile in MK9, they don't have to explicitly say much. It wouldn't be too terrible for them to just say "In a battle with warriors from another realm, Quan Chi was..."

I think the bigger issue plot-wise is the problems that MKA created.
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Apocalypse27
04/25/2008 02:47 AM (UTC)
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If that is one thing that's somewhat apart of crossover occurences for the DC universe, that sounds good to me. Although I hope they come up with something different and interesting.
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RazorsEdge701
04/25/2008 03:42 PM (UTC)
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Actually, JLA vs. Avengers was in-continuity, at least for the DC side. The events of the story were referenced in the JLA book years later, although the writer took care not to mention any Marvel heroes by name because he probably legally couldn't.
Granted, that's the exception, not the rule. And I too hope that this game proves to be non-canon since it'll probably have MK characters appearing in an older, more traditional status quo than when we saw them last in MKA - Light Raiden, living Liu Kang, etc.
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lastfighter89
04/26/2008 06:16 PM (UTC)
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i've read a special issue where Batman and Spider man teamed up against Kingpin;duringa brief fight they said that they already encountered and that batman wasn't that funny and comic relief.
so i assume that in previous crossovers they remembered the whole experience togheter...just my thoughts
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