Darkseid is not a "bruiser" as you put it. In fact, for almost all of the original run of the series he starred in, Jack Kirby's Fourth World (Over 55 issues), he practically never used his fist, or fought. He had the power, but he used strategy, and his own soldiers, to win. He had the power to erase beings from existance with a glance, but didn't need to fight often. He ruled a planet, and planned all sorts of traps, invasions, and schemes that, if he didn't succeed, he at least he had something go right. As for Superman vs Raiden, the fight should definitely be in Raiden's court, at least, to a degree. But, the fight we saw was just two characters fighting, not in cutscene, but in fights.

See here is how i see it.

These are 2 different universes right?

Sure Superman is special, But he is special in comparison to a bunch of normal human beings.

In the MK universe however just about every human being is the equivalent to about 4-5 DC universe humans in strength.

It makes being special a lot more special.

Now if Superman is in fact affected by Magic and has been reduced in strength he would get absolutely pwned by Raiden.
He would probably get pwned even if he wasn’t affected.

Ill back that up with an odd example.

France vs Italy (World cup 06) France has the fresher team..
Younger, more athletic, quicker, stronger etc.

Italy lacks the above however has the experience.

The game finished 0-0 With Italy winning on penalties.

The point im trying to make is that you cannot judge a character based on their abilities alone, So much more plays into a battle!

Experience is key.

You can guarantee that in a real life battle the first move would be made by superman.
Raiden would just teleport around while planning his first attack.

Next thing you know supermans shooting lasers with his eyes, Raiden teleports behind him and snaps his neck.

>_> It wouldn't be that easy to kill Superman. Especially at full strength. Superman is Super, even for other powered beings in DC, except for the unique types (reality manipulators, gods, cosmic beings, characters close enough to his high level) Its not a large list, but still, it does exist.

RE4 wasn't in Spain? Cuz I think Leon was sent to a SPANISH town....

listen to the dialog at the beginning of the game leon said he was sent to a part of Europe

- You're right. But he does//can go toe to toe with Superman, so I don't think it hurts his credibility to include "Bruiser" in his general character description. lol

- You know actually, just go blow for blow is something I'm not sure Raiden would actually do as the smarter fighter between he and Superman. Especially if he took a blow from Superman at any point. Quite frankly, I wouldn't expect Raiden to just sit there and trade blows with him anyway. I think it's probably stupid to assume that.

As an eternally aged, and weathered master of fighting(period), I'd think he test Supermans limits in a fight, while executing an overall strategy. Point is, he'd show more intelligence than "just trying to beat him up".



Haha....

Seriously though, the DC universe is filled with more unusual beings than the MK universe I'm sure. Just on their accountable library alone.



This magic thing, irritates the hell out of me. It's supposed to be that Superman is "affected" by magical attacks. Nothing like "oh, he turns to puddy around magic." Ridiculous.

- Like, if you shoot him with a normal bullet = nothing, bounces right off him.

- But if you shoot him with a bullet that has been affected by magic (necromancy, any kind of sorcery, maybe spiritual attacks, ect) = You might break skin. It would have to be an unusual amount of magic to actually weaken his performance, or kill him though. Kryptonite or a Red Sun are supposed to be the only things that really do that to Superman.

But, that's what bugs me. They used "magic" as a centerpiece of the Mortal Kombat universe when it should-not be that way.

It's like if I said the DC or Marvel Universes are the way they are, because of "genetic mutations". ~Laughable.~ It's just not true, nor is it a fair judgment at-all, to "blanket" them like that.

Mortal Kombat has certain, specific characters in it with powers influenced by magic. Not everyone, and certainly NOT every whole realm is affected by magic. And MOST of our characters' special powers are undefined....

Honestly, if they wanted to make an even playing ground out of the premise that Superman can be hurt or killed around Mortal Kombat characters, all they'd have to do is write a good, comic book styled profile for each of the MK characters. Describe how they got their powers, and what some of the effects or nullification's are. Y'know? Fire attacks don't work on Cosmic beings or whatever.

In the case of Raiden vs Superman = Spiritual//Cosmic vs Alien//Mortal
One is a greater force than the other one...lol

Anyway, don't need magic, or this "glowing eye" thing to make that work. Common sense at that point I think.



Of course, I agree. Superman can take alot, and deal alot, but Raiden's the better fighter. God > Mortal.



Lol! Well, I don't think it'd be that easy, but I think the odds are against Superman...as they should be in this particular match-up.

See, I think some people are underestimating Superman here.

Now, I've been playing Mortal Kombat since I was about 3 years old, and have played every Kombat Game (Sans Special Forces, but I don't think I've missed out any by that), but I still don't think that Raiden, in human form at least, would be able to really hand Supes his rear end.

Saying that Superman is just an incredibly strong and durable humanoid is like saying that a McLaren F1 is just a fast car. While neither statement is by any means false, they fail to capture the true abilities of their subject. Superman isn't just strong, he's on par with gods.

I've been reading comic books since I was 4 years old, and I've seen Superman do things that no other superhero can even attempt. He's bested Hercules and Thor. He's moved planets and moons on his own. He's flown into the sun without harm and shaken off nuclear blasts. He is the pillar of strength for which all other comic book characters are measured up to. Simply put, Superman is one of the single strongest (successful) character that comics have ever known.

And this is at a slightly reduced power that his silver age counterpart. Back then, Superman was only ever limited to what the moment called for, unless he was in the presence of red sun radiation, some form of Kryptonite, or high level magic, He had an increased intelligence (rocket scientist level), could fly faster than the speed of light, and could see everything from subatomic particles to far away galaxies. Quite frankly, there was nothing that the man couldn't do.

Now, Raiden does have a few things going for him. Even if his mortal body is destroyed, it's still rather unlikely that the thunder god would actually die. Even so, Raiden has shown very little in the ways of obscene strength or abilities, even if he is a god. While undoubtedly a more seasoned and better fighter (he's mastered all forms of Jujutsu, after all), it's still unlikely that he could easily take Superman. Even with God imbued lightning powers, Raiden just doesn't have the brute strength to stand up against Supes, especially if the latter isn't holding back.

Now, don't get me wrong. I don't think that Superman would have a great upper hand here, I just think that people who don't read comic books are basing their opinions on the cartoons and movies (the most accessible sources to the modern individual), and don't quite comprehend the intelligence, abilities, or strength of the Man of Steel. Personally, I feel this is an incredibly even match up, and I think the controversy caused by both sides only serves to prove it so.

You don't see the problem in that?

Look, the "thing" I'm pointing at, is that via "an inadequate character description" on the part of the MkTeam, Raiden is:

1. Viable competition for Superman with no real definition. And for no real reason other than the word, "God".

2. There is no "roof" or "floor" to the character. Which means, Raiden is not powerless, has proven that he is "more powerful than others", but has no indication that he's not "all powerful". lol
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Meaning that in this match up, we can assess all the things about Superman that you have there....and definitely alot more. Which are pretty accurate as far as I understand Superman. I may not know everything about every iteration of Superman, but what you have there, I pretty much know. And can, within reason accept that those things you mentioned, are within the realm of his character description, powers, ect.... if I didn't know them. It sounds right for Superman, even if I don't know some of it, basically.

Being able to spout off specifics about his abilities, capabilities, powers, and especially, his experiences with different difficult circumstances, is a great indication that "Superman" is a complete character. Which means, he could have been thought up yesterday.....BUT the information that is provided about that character, allows us to Accurately gauge what caliber character he is.

The main, and pretty much only piece of information about Raiden, that allows us to gauge what caliber character he is.......is the word "God". Now, as it is right now, that is not accurate information #1, and #2 it's not an accurate gauge. Aka: The MKTeam needs to define what a God is, and what that title signifies in Mortal Kombat.

You see, in fiction the "gauges" for immensely powerful characters like Gods or Superman are judged by their specifics. What I'm saying to you all is that Raiden doesn't have the specifics to gauge things like strength, endurance, power levels, and capabilities...LIKE Superman does.

SO?

To equate that Raiden is "less", when Raiden has no limit. Up OR Down.........Is Ludicrous. Haha....So when you say:

"Raiden has shown very little in the ways of obscene strength or abilities...."

I say:

1.) How did you come up with the concept that ; "Raiden is less"?
2.) Why did you automatically do that?"
3.) What's your basis for saying "Superman could take Raiden" then?

And I'd guess that your answer would be something like:

"Well, from Everything that I know about SUPERMAN...."

Not Raiden. lol

Not only is Superman the more known character, (which I'm perfectly cool with), he has enough available information about him out there, to gauge that he could, and has taken on Gods and won.

As far as specifics though, Nothing exists in the way of a limitation for Raiden. Not strength or power, not abilities or capabilities, not age or wisdom, not "a red sun" or "kryptonite"...Nothing.

Cool, Superman moved a planet. What has Raiden done in all those millions and billions of years that he's been around? They haven't told us. Buuuut, he's been protecting the whole EarthRealm this whole time? From what? When, how, what, and how many things have happened? ect...

Raiden can:

: Fly and teleport to undefined speeds.
: Conduct Electricity to an undefined level or radiation.
: Execute himself.

LOL! What?!...
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Final Example:

It's like trying to size up two boxers for a fight, but not having the height, weight, reach, and much of a record of one of the boxers(which would be Raiden).

AND THEN, just because you DO know this information about one of the two fighters (Superman), you say that guy (Superman) can beat the "other guy" (Raiden) based on his(Superman's) record.

Even though this "other guy"(Raidnen, lol), is obviously the Taller and Heavier fighter with longer Reach. And is also alot older, but has less of an accounted for record.
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Like I keep saying, I don't necessarily blame you guys for equating in favor of Superman. I'm just saying that you have an inadequate, or improper equation.

Superman represents a complete mathematical equation. Powers+Experiences = Definitely a Top Tier Character.

Raiden doesn't.
Powers+Experiences = Infinite Possibilities up or down, and left or right, and anywhere else inbetween.

Hope that helps...lol



Oh I forgot. I'm obviously not one of those people.

this is why i don't like superman XD
hes so powerful that hes basically invincible " depending on what version"
superman's ability's don't make much sense since hes moved planets and was able to withstanding being at the sun, but his whole race died when their home planet exploded they are the same race as him yet he can handle planets and a sun.

now stop using his invincible version people remember superman has been revamped several times and hes gotten his ass kicked before , hell batman kicked his ass.

now how ever the DC writers wrote the story mode I'm sure they wrote it to make sense why DC characters are weaker now, due to MK world being full of magic not just some magic the whole MK world is nothing but magic as boon stated. having this much magic everywhere and the result of the merging must have reduced superman's ability's a lot. now remember magic can hurt him but how do you know that magic cant effect his super powers huh?

you guys saw the story mode trailer scorpion was able to kick superman in the chest and send him flying this shows the merging and magic made superman weak enough or made the MK character strong enough to handle superman.

Captain Marvel is arguably more powerful than Superman, he's the one people need to be bitching about LOL

lol if cpt. marvel is more powerful than supes then he is over kill XD
because superman is ridiculously overkill :P

Gecko...where are you from? I've never met anyone before who didn't know that Superman's powers come from absorbing yellow sunlight, and that the reason nobody had powers on Krypton, and didn't survive it blowing up, was that their sun was red.

come on you cant say you haven't meet ANYONE who made that mistake, everyone who heard of superman only know the basics of superman only know he was from another planet that was dying and was sent to earth on a ship as a baby before the planet exploded, you act as if everyone read every single superman comic,

and anyway if thats a case that their race never absorbed yellow sunlight. those powers shouldn't be in their bloodline in the first place it doesn't make sense that a whole planet of potential super people lived on a planet with no yellow sunlight and still have the ability to get powers from yellow sunlight. unless kryptonians are an exception to evolution their "superpowers due to yellow sunlight" ability should have been non existent due to living on a planet with only a red sun.

unless im missing something :/

only reason I'm not much of a superman fan because i don't like characters who have the whole god mode ability. yet i see him get his ass kicked allot, but then there are people clinging to the old versions of superman who was in god mode.
remember people superman's ability's have been revamped several times hes a little weaker and defeatible now, hes not invincible anymore,

which brings me to another topic about the magic thing, people say the magic can only hurt superman but shouldn't make him this weak, how do you people know that magic cant effect his powers? magic is an unpredictable energy, superman may be immune to allot of things, but magic? his body is already been shown to get hurt by magical firepower. this shows his body is effected by magic this shows that because of the merging of DC and MK, boon already stated that the MK world is full of magic, yes if you actually look at MKs history allot of magic is everywhere there, you have magical portals, gods etc. hell how do you explain all the human characters have these superpowers no one ever explained to me how Sonya has magical ring beams, and how johnny cage ( a movie actor) can through energy orbs and do that shadow kick thing, and lui kang can shoot fireballs shaped like dragons. seems to me the MK world is full of magic. and thanks to the merging and MK worlds magic this SHOULD dramatically reduce superman's and other super powered DC characters powers. hell maybe the merging made the MK characters stronger,

look at MKArmageddon it showed that their powers were getting stronger and would eventually tear the realms apart, yet you people give MK to little credit with their strength and powers, these guys can withstand allot as you could see from the past they are strong enough to uppercut each other into other buildings, tear limbs off with their bare hands, shoot energy projectiles, even kano has eye beams like superman. they can teleport, freeze things, summon fire from hell ( which should be a form of magic or at least supernatural power) , smash into buildings. how do you guys know that raiden cant handle a fight with superman? you don't really know how strong he is. basically everything superman can do someone from MK was able to do it.

supermans powers:

eye beams - kano
ice breath - sub-zero
ability to inhale someone - moloch
super speed - kabal ( only the dash)
super strength - almost all MK characters were able to smash builders, pilers, rocks, or whatever. ( maybe not lift a building but you get what i mean)
fly - sindel, raiden.

so people its a waist of debate when we look at the evidence showing MK characters are stronger than they look. most of you ask how can sonya fight superman shes just human, like i stated before she can shoot energy rings, plus her leg grabs can tear a man in half ( MK4 fatality) you cant tell me thats not super strength right there.

MK has proved itself to be its own universe were anything is possible and humans can be just as strong as super heroes. stop stating that MK is supposed to be realistic when in fact its not realistic anymore or ever to begin with.

another subject is how you people bitch that DC fighting MK would be unbalanced
ok i never heard anyone bitching about marvel vs capcom you guys never bitched about how someone like sakura can beat the hulk huh? or chun lee fighting someone from X-men.

a cross over is basically fan service, to be able to see two universes from different company's to interact in the same video game. would you guys feel better if midway never bothered with the story mode? so we wouldn't get to see at least why DC is in the Mk world? i for one am glad they wanted to involve a story and hired DC comic writers to do it.

oh and one more thing why are some of you still bitching about kitanas ribbon? big fucking deal of all things in this game to bitch about you bitch about her ribbon >_>

yh um they wont let me post sum news so jus to let u no there is a new vid on gametrailers showin the fatalities of sonya catwoman and subzero check it out

Don't tell me what I can and can't say. You don't know me or my life. For your information, yes I CAN say I haven't met anyone who made that mistake, because I really HAVEN'T met anyone who didn't know that Superman's powers come from the sun. I'm stating a fact, not exaggerating or insulting you.

And they don't read Superman comics either. They didn't have to, to know that. Because that information IS just as common as him coming from another planet. It's part of the BASICS.

I do find the merged stage to look particularly amazing.