mkflegend Wrote:
I beg to differ, they're not online, hardly changed over the years and are too similar.MK and SF are different and more unique for example.Also more fun to play for the casual gamer as well as the hardcore gamer.
And games like UMK3 had great fighting, MK2, MK3 ever play those games?MK:A is just the best 3D fighting MK game right now so far, the lag is the only thing that sucks some times but hey it beats beating the machine over and over like Tekken.No comp, unless you fly which is dumb.Nobody is going to do that, unless they don't have a life and have money to waste.
MK also has storyline over any other fighter, yeah there are some questions to be answered which midway will with their bios coming so.....
Fatalities are MK, darkness is MK, the atmosphere is unlike any other fighter.
Everyone will like something different, but I'm happy MK:A finally got some recognition for a fun game.Who cares if it's the best MK yet or not, it's still better then MK:D is.
But UMK3 owns all right now if you ask me on the 360, there's no fighter better or more fun.I've played it a lot at my friends house.The 4 player winner stays is sweet!!
Gotta disagree here, as an online high level player in the past few MK's I seriously do.MK has always been an easy pick up game for just about anyone, Tekken, VF and DOA on the other hand not the case.There's stiffer controls IMO, it's not a fighter anyone can play or the casual gamer.He'll get owned badly, same can be said about MK say online as a noob however as far as the actual gameplay engine, MK is easier to pick up and play.
MK:A's gameplay is vastly improved over MK:D and MK:DA, it's faster, you don't feel like you're walking in mud, and there's more tactic involved with the parries and wake up added.
Also, I heard about the match where Boon beat you apparently....now not for nothing but we all know boon isn't near the best player, yet he beat you.I assure you, I hold my own with onlines best on xbox so to say something like it's not fast or too stiff is not accurrate.MK:D and MK:DA I'll give you that to a point, but not MK:A.Mastermalone the guy that went to E3 earlier this year also said this, he said it was faster, better and more responsive then MK:D was.I couldn't agree more, it is.
Another example is this, I have a friend that's not played MK in years.
I also have proof, I have a friend who's an old MK fan, doesn't have time to play the newer ones.He picked up MK:A on the first day man, after practicing for about an hour or so, he got the idea.I filled him in on the wake up and parries(parries he doesn't use that much) and he was fine.
Tekken, VF on the other hand not the case.They're more complex fighters which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but not a good thing for the casual gamer.
Something nintendo is always telling people with their games as oppose to their compeititors.If I'm making a game, I want to make a game that anyone can enjoy and play not just beginners, not just hardcore players.Everyone is what really matters.
That's why everyone played the old SF's and MKs back in the day more then any other fighter, one of the many reason.It was a game you could pick up and learn fast and easily.I can't say the same about tekken and Vf however.Games like that.
People enjoy Mk because of the overall game and what it's known for over the years, storyline, blood, fun gameplay, best and most interesting characters, insane stages, darkness of it etc.Now on the other end I don't see the hype for tekken, vf and doa when they're hardly changed compared to MK and SF over the years have.I mean hell, tekken and Vf aren't even online yet.Just note, before anyone says frame rates this, frame rates that.DOA had the same problem....yet it's online now for the 360.So, that's no longer a valid excuse as far as I'm concerned.MK, SF, GG, DOA are all online.
bleed Wrote:
What are you talking about? Those games are WAY better fighting games than MK.
I think MK wins because of everything but the fighting.
It's Cool / Dark looking style
Bloody
It has Scorpion and Sub-Zero
Konquest
stuff like that.
Anyway, congrats to the MK devs for the victory.
mkflegend Wrote:
Agreed.
MK and SF were the first two fighters ever, SF first but SF is dead now unlike MK to all those MK Haters out there.Eat it ha, ha.
Congrats to MK and Midway, don't stop making MK baby!!
Please....those games suck balls compared to the MK series.
HellrazerHD Wrote:
If it wasnt for MK, their would be no tekken or doa. MK is the one and only fighting game to go up against the assholes who think it was too gory. It didn't stop MK,you can't stop MK. MK is the king of kings.
If it wasnt for MK, their would be no tekken or doa. MK is the one and only fighting game to go up against the assholes who think it was too gory. It didn't stop MK,you can't stop MK. MK is the king of kings.
Agreed.
MK and SF were the first two fighters ever, SF first but SF is dead now unlike MK to all those MK Haters out there.Eat it ha, ha.
Congrats to MK and Midway, don't stop making MK baby!!
kingjolly Wrote:
Midway doesnt deserve it. Tekken dark resurrection and dead or alive 4 are SO much better.
Midway doesnt deserve it. Tekken dark resurrection and dead or alive 4 are SO much better.
Please....those games suck balls compared to the MK series.
What are you talking about? Those games are WAY better fighting games than MK.
I think MK wins because of everything but the fighting.
It's Cool / Dark looking style
Bloody
It has Scorpion and Sub-Zero
Konquest
stuff like that.
Anyway, congrats to the MK devs for the victory.
I beg to differ, they're not online, hardly changed over the years and are too similar.MK and SF are different and more unique for example.Also more fun to play for the casual gamer as well as the hardcore gamer.
And games like UMK3 had great fighting, MK2, MK3 ever play those games?MK:A is just the best 3D fighting MK game right now so far, the lag is the only thing that sucks some times but hey it beats beating the machine over and over like Tekken.No comp, unless you fly which is dumb.Nobody is going to do that, unless they don't have a life and have money to waste.
MK also has storyline over any other fighter, yeah there are some questions to be answered which midway will with their bios coming so.....
Fatalities are MK, darkness is MK, the atmosphere is unlike any other fighter.
Everyone will like something different, but I'm happy MK:A finally got some recognition for a fun game.Who cares if it's the best MK yet or not, it's still better then MK:D is.
But UMK3 owns all right now if you ask me on the 360, there's no fighter better or more fun.I've played it a lot at my friends house.The 4 player winner stays is sweet!!
kingjolly Wrote:
I'm a casual player, and I can't stand the way MKDA,MKD, MKA plays. The controls are stiff and it doent feel responsive. Also, you have to memorize combos to be a good player. Honestly, I don't understand how people can say mk is a pick up and play game, because it takes a while to get use to the gameplay.
However, Tekken is definitly a pick up and play game in my opinion. The gameplay is very easy to get used to, and the controls feel responsive and it's much much easier to pull off combos. Everything just flows and feels right.
Sometimes I wonder how people can even enjoy what MK has become.
I'm a casual player, and I can't stand the way MKDA,MKD, MKA plays. The controls are stiff and it doent feel responsive. Also, you have to memorize combos to be a good player. Honestly, I don't understand how people can say mk is a pick up and play game, because it takes a while to get use to the gameplay.
However, Tekken is definitly a pick up and play game in my opinion. The gameplay is very easy to get used to, and the controls feel responsive and it's much much easier to pull off combos. Everything just flows and feels right.
Sometimes I wonder how people can even enjoy what MK has become.
Gotta disagree here, as an online high level player in the past few MK's I seriously do.MK has always been an easy pick up game for just about anyone, Tekken, VF and DOA on the other hand not the case.There's stiffer controls IMO, it's not a fighter anyone can play or the casual gamer.He'll get owned badly, same can be said about MK say online as a noob however as far as the actual gameplay engine, MK is easier to pick up and play.
MK:A's gameplay is vastly improved over MK:D and MK:DA, it's faster, you don't feel like you're walking in mud, and there's more tactic involved with the parries and wake up added.
Also, I heard about the match where Boon beat you apparently....now not for nothing but we all know boon isn't near the best player, yet he beat you.I assure you, I hold my own with onlines best on xbox so to say something like it's not fast or too stiff is not accurrate.MK:D and MK:DA I'll give you that to a point, but not MK:A.Mastermalone the guy that went to E3 earlier this year also said this, he said it was faster, better and more responsive then MK:D was.I couldn't agree more, it is.
Another example is this, I have a friend that's not played MK in years.
I also have proof, I have a friend who's an old MK fan, doesn't have time to play the newer ones.He picked up MK:A on the first day man, after practicing for about an hour or so, he got the idea.I filled him in on the wake up and parries(parries he doesn't use that much) and he was fine.
Tekken, VF on the other hand not the case.They're more complex fighters which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but not a good thing for the casual gamer.
Something nintendo is always telling people with their games as oppose to their compeititors.If I'm making a game, I want to make a game that anyone can enjoy and play not just beginners, not just hardcore players.Everyone is what really matters.
That's why everyone played the old SF's and MKs back in the day more then any other fighter, one of the many reason.It was a game you could pick up and learn fast and easily.I can't say the same about tekken and Vf however.Games like that.
People enjoy Mk because of the overall game and what it's known for over the years, storyline, blood, fun gameplay, best and most interesting characters, insane stages, darkness of it etc.Now on the other end I don't see the hype for tekken, vf and doa when they're hardly changed compared to MK and SF over the years have.I mean hell, tekken and Vf aren't even online yet.Just note, before anyone says frame rates this, frame rates that.DOA had the same problem....yet it's online now for the 360.So, that's no longer a valid excuse as far as I'm concerned.MK, SF, GG, DOA are all online.
I agree with EVERYTHING this guy says.
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bleed Wrote:
Here comes another long ass reply
No online play is a Minus for sure.
You already know the problem. MK and DOA have problems with lag. Sometimes it's barely noticeable, other times the fights come to a complete halt.
The Developers of Tekken don't want to make the feature unless it works correctly.
If you read the forums for games like Tekken, you'll see a great number of high level players that do not want the online feature added unless it works correctly. For that one problem, it'll hurt their game.
Of course though, the more casual fans don't care about perfection as much. They'd rather have online with lag than not at all.
I'd like to have online even with lag, but that it's not included has an understandable reason, that being quality.
Of course this is wrong
The game has changed quite a bit with every installment. The small changes make a big difference in the way every character is played and played against.
The properties of a couple moves alter the characters combo abilities and other strategies.
You have to pay attention to notice most of these changes.
I guess you don't give these other games much play if you think this way. Even to a regular player, the changes are pretty obvious. You can tell by just watching other people play.
The games also don't need dramatic changes with each release. Improvement / Tweaking is better most of the time, from what I've seen.
MK tries to make big changes, but they tend to be very sloppy and they still leave the core game play pretty far behind.
It is better than before but the other games technical even esthetic designs are still superior.
Just look at they way they implement new ideas in MK games.
Basically, they come up with something very basic and give it to every character. The technique it self doesn't even make sense some times.
Breaker = visually = crap, Technically = crap
Parry = Visually = crap, Technically = semi ok...
Air combat = Visually = crap, Technically = ok, but where is the air "combat"? It's just air combos that you can break out of or escape. Ed kept saying that anything you could do on the ground could be done in the air. not!
Wake up game = Visually = crap, Technically = good
Multi tired stages = Cool all around
Now how is this compared to other games?
Breaker = Blocking strings is a normal thing in other games because they hardly have any dial combos.
Parry = This has bee done in other games for years and much better both technically and visually.
Air combat = Juggles are about the same thing. Knock the opponent in to the air and do a combo. The closes one would be Soul Calibur with air control that lets you escape juggles. Then you have the Capcom games that did that air raid thing years ago and better.
Wake up game = Again, it's been done for years and much better both visually and technically.
Multi tired stages = MK3 had it, you could say it was in MK1 with the reptile fight.
It was done much better in DOA though. DOA 4 uses multi tired arenas as part of the characters attacks now. Jump over a ledge and do a flying punch or kick.
MK seems to be copying some of what Tecmo has already done with DOA. Falling off a ledge, bounce of the roof and fall on the next level.
Tumble down a flight of stairs.
Not that it's a bad thing, I like the idea regardless of who came up with it first.
The main thing MK has that's original here is the death traps, but just visually. Getting knocked out of an arena and loosing the round has been done for years in Virtua Fighter, Soul Calibur, KI...
It just looks cooler but less technically sound in MK.
MK hardly has anything that hasn't been done better before aside from making ring outs look cool and having hand and weapon combat at once.
All the changes made in MK don't equate to what the other games already have. MK still has to come up with "new ideas" to catch up.
Please explain the example.
I'd say it's more fun for the casual gamer in general because it's very basic. A game like Tekken may at first seem intimidating for a lot of players, but this varies with each person.
I remember pretty much switching from one day to the next the first time I played Tekken 3. I remember it like it was yesterday.
I was playing MK4, while watching people play Tekken 3.
I waited till nobody was playing T3 and gave it a shot.
I was amazed by it and it made me look down on games like MK4 which I up to that day played daily.
A lot of times I found my self thinking "I wish MK played more like this".
Need less to say, I'm happy that MK is kind of taking that sort of approach now.
for hard core players, it's more irrelevant. Hard core players may like simple and or complex games just as much. I like both but lean toward the more complex.
UMK3 etc. were good I agree.
I agree MKA is the best 3D MK also and that lag sucks.
Beating the computer is fun for me, especially with the Ghost AI characters that you can download frequently.
Have you played against Ghost AI?
It's not as good as a real player, but it knows your patterns, mix ups, juggles etc...
The only thing I hate about it in T5 and T5DR for PSP is that you can't skip the easy ones.
You have to go up in rank to fight the more difficult Ghost AI.
T5DR has some good comp. where I'm at. There is an arcade about 40 minutes from me, where I always find good players all day long. Tournaments are held like every 1 or 2 Months I think. There's a thread for them at Tekken Zaibatsu.
I agree
I agree
UMK3 is one of my favorite MKs but I haven't really played it in years. I'd love to play it online.
MK used to be a pick up and play type game, but no longer.
Pick up and play IMO means more that you can mash buttons and get some decent moves to come out, maybe a 2 or 3 hit combo. It also means that it is easy to understand because it makes sense.
If you know the basics of doing combos, throws, reversals etc. You know pretty much how to do it with another character by just looking at their animations.
Example
In Tekken How do you do a L. R. punch combo?
tap L. punch, then R. punch.
How do you do that in MK?
It could be 11, or 22, or 2,1, or 1,2. Hell, most of the characters don't even have a 1,2 combo!?
Players might think something like
"How the hell do you jab in this game???"
Well......, some characters can and it's good, some characters can't, and for some it's useless because you are left with negative frames on a clean hit. ?!?!?!?
There is no set base command for these types of moves which makes using different characters a little harder to understand. You end up having to do a little more experimenting or end up looking at the moves list to figure out how to do basic attacks.
In other games, this comes more naturally, because the controls are designed to follow a logical set up for every character.
In the end, someone who already knows how to do combos etc. will make the fights flow much better.
Agreed
If it takes an hour to figure out how to play basics MK, then it should take a little less to do the same thing in Tekken, DOA etc.
The basic idea on other games is about the same, but because the controls for these games are more logical, you should be able to figure out how to do combos and stuff by accident, or by using simple logic.
These fighters give you a LOT more options in combat, so if you think a character should be able to do something, they probably have something along those lines. Not the case in MK, because you don't have nearly as much to work with.
A lot of people don't like nintendos stuff, because it's too basic or childish. Main reason why I don't by Nintendo systems any more. I just don't care for most of their games.
Understandable game design is good, so a lot of people can just get in to it. Too basic can and does hurt games though. Depending on the type obviously.
I find games like Tekken and VF more fun than Street fighter or MK. I do like both types, but the more complex games keep my attention much longer.
Different likes for different players.
The game is fun and cool to look at, but the game play could be MUCH better.
It is fun, but it needs a boost.
It's because you are looking in the wrong place.
These games have a lot of hype, I think maybe even more.
If you are always in MK, MK, MK........... You don't notice the other games as much.
If you are always in Tekken, Tekken, Tekken...........The same thing happens.
etc.
The "changes" MK has had don't equate to what these other games already have or have had.
Namco won't take Tekken online unless it works properly. The game working correctly is very important in their case.
Again, I wish they'd do it anyway but I can understand why it hasn't happened and probably won't for a good while.
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mkflegend Wrote:
they're not online
they're not online
No online play is a Minus for sure.
You already know the problem. MK and DOA have problems with lag. Sometimes it's barely noticeable, other times the fights come to a complete halt.
The Developers of Tekken don't want to make the feature unless it works correctly.
If you read the forums for games like Tekken, you'll see a great number of high level players that do not want the online feature added unless it works correctly. For that one problem, it'll hurt their game.
Of course though, the more casual fans don't care about perfection as much. They'd rather have online with lag than not at all.
I'd like to have online even with lag, but that it's not included has an understandable reason, that being quality.
mkflegend Wrote:
hardly changed over the years and are too similar
hardly changed over the years and are too similar
Of course this is wrong
The game has changed quite a bit with every installment. The small changes make a big difference in the way every character is played and played against.
The properties of a couple moves alter the characters combo abilities and other strategies.
You have to pay attention to notice most of these changes.
I guess you don't give these other games much play if you think this way. Even to a regular player, the changes are pretty obvious. You can tell by just watching other people play.
The games also don't need dramatic changes with each release. Improvement / Tweaking is better most of the time, from what I've seen.
MK tries to make big changes, but they tend to be very sloppy and they still leave the core game play pretty far behind.
It is better than before but the other games technical even esthetic designs are still superior.
Just look at they way they implement new ideas in MK games.
Basically, they come up with something very basic and give it to every character. The technique it self doesn't even make sense some times.
Breaker = visually = crap, Technically = crap
Parry = Visually = crap, Technically = semi ok...
Air combat = Visually = crap, Technically = ok, but where is the air "combat"? It's just air combos that you can break out of or escape. Ed kept saying that anything you could do on the ground could be done in the air. not!
Wake up game = Visually = crap, Technically = good
Multi tired stages = Cool all around
Now how is this compared to other games?
Breaker = Blocking strings is a normal thing in other games because they hardly have any dial combos.
Parry = This has bee done in other games for years and much better both technically and visually.
Air combat = Juggles are about the same thing. Knock the opponent in to the air and do a combo. The closes one would be Soul Calibur with air control that lets you escape juggles. Then you have the Capcom games that did that air raid thing years ago and better.
Wake up game = Again, it's been done for years and much better both visually and technically.
Multi tired stages = MK3 had it, you could say it was in MK1 with the reptile fight.
It was done much better in DOA though. DOA 4 uses multi tired arenas as part of the characters attacks now. Jump over a ledge and do a flying punch or kick.
MK seems to be copying some of what Tecmo has already done with DOA. Falling off a ledge, bounce of the roof and fall on the next level.
Tumble down a flight of stairs.
Not that it's a bad thing, I like the idea regardless of who came up with it first.
The main thing MK has that's original here is the death traps, but just visually. Getting knocked out of an arena and loosing the round has been done for years in Virtua Fighter, Soul Calibur, KI...
It just looks cooler but less technically sound in MK.
MK hardly has anything that hasn't been done better before aside from making ring outs look cool and having hand and weapon combat at once.
All the changes made in MK don't equate to what the other games already have. MK still has to come up with "new ideas" to catch up.
mkflegend Wrote:
MK and SF are different and more unique for example
MK and SF are different and more unique for example
Please explain the example.
mkflegend Wrote:
Also more fun to play for the casual gamer as well as the hardcore gamer.
Also more fun to play for the casual gamer as well as the hardcore gamer.
I'd say it's more fun for the casual gamer in general because it's very basic. A game like Tekken may at first seem intimidating for a lot of players, but this varies with each person.
I remember pretty much switching from one day to the next the first time I played Tekken 3. I remember it like it was yesterday.
I was playing MK4, while watching people play Tekken 3.
I waited till nobody was playing T3 and gave it a shot.
I was amazed by it and it made me look down on games like MK4 which I up to that day played daily.
A lot of times I found my self thinking "I wish MK played more like this".
Need less to say, I'm happy that MK is kind of taking that sort of approach now.
for hard core players, it's more irrelevant. Hard core players may like simple and or complex games just as much. I like both but lean toward the more complex.
mkflegend Wrote:
And games like UMK3 had great fighting, MK2, MK3 ever play those games?MK:A is just the best 3D fighting MK game right now so far, the lag is the only thing that sucks some times but hey it beats beating the machine over and over like Tekken.No comp, unless you fly which is dumb.Nobody is going to do that, unless they don't have a life and have money to waste.
And games like UMK3 had great fighting, MK2, MK3 ever play those games?MK:A is just the best 3D fighting MK game right now so far, the lag is the only thing that sucks some times but hey it beats beating the machine over and over like Tekken.No comp, unless you fly which is dumb.Nobody is going to do that, unless they don't have a life and have money to waste.
UMK3 etc. were good I agree.
I agree MKA is the best 3D MK also and that lag sucks.
Beating the computer is fun for me, especially with the Ghost AI characters that you can download frequently.
Have you played against Ghost AI?
It's not as good as a real player, but it knows your patterns, mix ups, juggles etc...
The only thing I hate about it in T5 and T5DR for PSP is that you can't skip the easy ones.
You have to go up in rank to fight the more difficult Ghost AI.
T5DR has some good comp. where I'm at. There is an arcade about 40 minutes from me, where I always find good players all day long. Tournaments are held like every 1 or 2 Months I think. There's a thread for them at Tekken Zaibatsu.
mkflegend Wrote:
MK also has storyline over any other fighter, yeah there are some questions to be answered which midway will with their bios coming so.....
Fatalities are MK, darkness is MK, the atmosphere is unlike any other fighter.
MK also has storyline over any other fighter, yeah there are some questions to be answered which midway will with their bios coming so.....
Fatalities are MK, darkness is MK, the atmosphere is unlike any other fighter.
I agree
mkflegend Wrote:
Everyone will like something different, but I'm happy MK:A finally got some recognition for a fun game.Who cares if it's the best MK yet or not, it's still better then MK:D is.
Everyone will like something different, but I'm happy MK:A finally got some recognition for a fun game.Who cares if it's the best MK yet or not, it's still better then MK:D is.
I agree
mkflegend Wrote:
But UMK3 owns all right now if you ask me on the 360, there's no fighter better or more fun.I've played it a lot at my friends house.The 4 player winner stays is sweet!!
But UMK3 owns all right now if you ask me on the 360, there's no fighter better or more fun.I've played it a lot at my friends house.The 4 player winner stays is sweet!!
UMK3 is one of my favorite MKs but I haven't really played it in years. I'd love to play it online.
mkflegend Wrote:
Gotta disagree here, as an online high level player in the past few MK's I seriously do.MK has always been an easy pick up game for just about anyone, Tekken, VF and DOA on the other hand not the case.There's stiffer controls IMO, it's not a fighter anyone can play or the casual gamer.He'll get owned badly, same can be said about MK say online as a noob however as far as the actual game play engine, MK is easier to pick up and play.
Gotta disagree here, as an online high level player in the past few MK's I seriously do.MK has always been an easy pick up game for just about anyone, Tekken, VF and DOA on the other hand not the case.There's stiffer controls IMO, it's not a fighter anyone can play or the casual gamer.He'll get owned badly, same can be said about MK say online as a noob however as far as the actual game play engine, MK is easier to pick up and play.
MK used to be a pick up and play type game, but no longer.
Pick up and play IMO means more that you can mash buttons and get some decent moves to come out, maybe a 2 or 3 hit combo. It also means that it is easy to understand because it makes sense.
If you know the basics of doing combos, throws, reversals etc. You know pretty much how to do it with another character by just looking at their animations.
Example
In Tekken How do you do a L. R. punch combo?
tap L. punch, then R. punch.
How do you do that in MK?
It could be 11, or 22, or 2,1, or 1,2. Hell, most of the characters don't even have a 1,2 combo!?
Players might think something like
"How the hell do you jab in this game???"
Well......, some characters can and it's good, some characters can't, and for some it's useless because you are left with negative frames on a clean hit. ?!?!?!?
There is no set base command for these types of moves which makes using different characters a little harder to understand. You end up having to do a little more experimenting or end up looking at the moves list to figure out how to do basic attacks.
In other games, this comes more naturally, because the controls are designed to follow a logical set up for every character.
In the end, someone who already knows how to do combos etc. will make the fights flow much better.
mkflegend Wrote:
MK:A's game play is vastly improved over MK:D and MK:DA, it's faster, you don't feel like you're walking in mud, and there's more tactic involved with the parries and wake up added.
MK:A's game play is vastly improved over MK:D and MK:DA, it's faster, you don't feel like you're walking in mud, and there's more tactic involved with the parries and wake up added.
Agreed
mkflegend Wrote:
I have a friend who's an old MK fan, doesn't have time to play the newer ones.He picked up MK:A on the first day man, after practicing for about an hour or so, he got the idea.I filled him in on the wake up and parries(parries he doesn't use that much) and he was fine.
Tekken, VF on the other hand not the case.They're more complex fighters which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but not a good thing for the casual gamer.
I have a friend who's an old MK fan, doesn't have time to play the newer ones.He picked up MK:A on the first day man, after practicing for about an hour or so, he got the idea.I filled him in on the wake up and parries(parries he doesn't use that much) and he was fine.
Tekken, VF on the other hand not the case.They're more complex fighters which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but not a good thing for the casual gamer.
If it takes an hour to figure out how to play basics MK, then it should take a little less to do the same thing in Tekken, DOA etc.
The basic idea on other games is about the same, but because the controls for these games are more logical, you should be able to figure out how to do combos and stuff by accident, or by using simple logic.
These fighters give you a LOT more options in combat, so if you think a character should be able to do something, they probably have something along those lines. Not the case in MK, because you don't have nearly as much to work with.
mkflegend Wrote:
Something Nintendo is always telling people with their games as oppose to their compeititors.If I'm making a game, I want to make a game that anyone can enjoy and play not just beginners, not just hardcore players.Everyone is what really matters.
That's why everyone played the old SF's and MKs back in the day more then any other fighter, one of the many reason.It was a game you could pick up and learn fast and easily.I can't say the same about tekken and Vf however.Games like that.
Something Nintendo is always telling people with their games as oppose to their compeititors.If I'm making a game, I want to make a game that anyone can enjoy and play not just beginners, not just hardcore players.Everyone is what really matters.
That's why everyone played the old SF's and MKs back in the day more then any other fighter, one of the many reason.It was a game you could pick up and learn fast and easily.I can't say the same about tekken and Vf however.Games like that.
A lot of people don't like nintendos stuff, because it's too basic or childish. Main reason why I don't by Nintendo systems any more. I just don't care for most of their games.
Understandable game design is good, so a lot of people can just get in to it. Too basic can and does hurt games though. Depending on the type obviously.
I find games like Tekken and VF more fun than Street fighter or MK. I do like both types, but the more complex games keep my attention much longer.
Different likes for different players.
mkflegend Wrote:
People enjoy Mk because of the overall game and what it's known for over the years, storyline, blood, fun game play, best and most interesting characters, insane stages, darkness of it etc.
People enjoy Mk because of the overall game and what it's known for over the years, storyline, blood, fun game play, best and most interesting characters, insane stages, darkness of it etc.
The game is fun and cool to look at, but the game play could be MUCH better.
It is fun, but it needs a boost.
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Now on the other end I don't see the hype for tekken, vf and doa
Now on the other end I don't see the hype for tekken, vf and doa
It's because you are looking in the wrong place.
These games have a lot of hype, I think maybe even more.
If you are always in MK, MK, MK........... You don't notice the other games as much.
If you are always in Tekken, Tekken, Tekken...........The same thing happens.
etc.
mkflegend Wrote:
when they're hardly changed compared to MK and SF over the years have
when they're hardly changed compared to MK and SF over the years have
The "changes" MK has had don't equate to what these other games already have or have had.
mkflegend Wrote:
I mean hell, tekken and Vf aren't even online yet.Just note, before anyone says frame rates this, frame rates that.DOA had the same problem....yet it's online now for the 360.So, that's no longer a valid excuse as far as I'm concerned.MK, SF, GG, DOA are all online.
I mean hell, tekken and Vf aren't even online yet.Just note, before anyone says frame rates this, frame rates that.DOA had the same problem....yet it's online now for the 360.So, that's no longer a valid excuse as far as I'm concerned.MK, SF, GG, DOA are all online.
Namco won't take Tekken online unless it works properly. The game working correctly is very important in their case.
Again, I wish they'd do it anyway but I can understand why it hasn't happened and probably won't for a good while.
Alright, some statments I agree with and others not so much.
Ok, first off I want to get a few things out of the way here.When I say pick up and play game, MK is compared to the others it is easily.I've been playing MK my whole life to see this.Now, I'm not referring to buttom mashing, I'm referring to the engine.It's basic and pretty simple with a tad bit of practice.
Tekken, VF and DOA are a lot more complicated for the average casual gamer.Only fanboys of those series will say otherwise, but if you compared SF, MK, Tekken, DOA and VF.It's a no brainer that MK and SF come in 1st and 2nd as the top two most easiest to pick up and play.
The parry system isn't ridiculous with the timing in MK:A as it is in DOA4, which online sucks with lag at times.Don't get me wrong, MK has lag too but then again EVERY game online has lag.
This whole Tekken is afraid to do it.....you know what honestly, that's a mere excuse...DOA said the same thing, yet they were determined to get it online which pleases a lot of fans to this day(even though I'm not one of them)
Every game has lag, it's a sacrifice you DEAL with in exchange for making friends, playing an actual human other then a dumb computer which has a pattern only to take a certain amount of time to detect after a while....every fighter has this, MK, DOA, SF, Tekken and VF.They all have it.
So, honestly to say it's "fun" to play tekken vs. the computer compared to an actual good player is like saying I like jerking off but not having sex seriously... lol there's a BIG difference lol.
Not to mention it proves nothing, when you beat or hang with other elite players then you proved something but beating the shit out of the machine proves nothing but the basics.A machine ALWAYS has a pattern and is programmed, a human can alter tactic at will.
Also, when I said tekken hasn't changed much over the years, you just answered your own argument.You said it HAS, yet later on you said tekken hardly has problems so it had to change hardly anything.....
There you go man lol, so in reality people are praising a game that's hardly changed because the basic engine gameplay elements since Tekken 3 virtually work well....WOW in other words the fans are happy with an oldschool games engine, so lets not mess with it and TRY to make it better.So, they make new shitty mini games, new lame characters, some new stages and prettier graphics.WOW.Tons of changes right there.
At least SF, MK, SC etc TRIED making changes to make it better.And although SF failed, MK is still here despite what ever number of users on here try to run it down, I'll run it up if I must.But none the less, MK is still here.
And I honestly don't care what certain ignorant users that know nothing since they don't even play online say, MK:A is a good game and MK has made good changes from MK4.
Not talking about you per-se Bleed, but as you know I play MK competitively online like...every day.More then enough to judge.
Half these people bitching about MK don't know a lick of what they're talking about seriously.....they complain about trivial nonsense such as someone bio or looks or costume or something about gameplay that they don't even understand.It's like malones always saying on here, if it works then who cares?Stop worrying about trivial shit and worry about playability, and MK:A is playable.That's all that matters.
Ok, onto some other things now.
Parry and breakers look like shit...ok if it works man, who the hell cares what they look like? lol the parries in tekken don't look that realistic as if someone really attacking you, you're going to do that animation.
If I hit someone, they may not drain gallons of blood but they also won't spark from no where like they do in tekken lol.
In other words, nobody cares about what something looks like as long as they work, who cares?And the wake up and parries get the job done in MK:A, trust me proper use of those have bailed my ass out of trouble online a few times.And FTR, they don't look like crap.The uppercut wake up looks weird, but the kick low looks nice.
The storyline is better in MK by FAR overall, fatalities are sweet(being able to finish them off unlike most fighters) the characters are better, the stages are a lot more better and kickass with the twisted creativity of the MK team unlike some other games that have stupid waterfalls only to NOT be able to interact with it in anyway or form.That's lame.If I'm in an environment fighting, I want to be able to smash someone through something like a fence, or a door or a Death trap(say spikes beneath or something)
The air kombat looks alright, nothing too fancy but I do like the cross over game back in there.Personally, I could have did without the fancy air combos and just settled for the jump kicks and throws like UMK3.
Actually by changes, if you mean wake up, parries yeah other 3D games had it first I'll give you that, but not all the ideas existed already.DT's are new and MK introduced, mini games that don't actually suck like in DOA or tekken, dark stages are MK only, the KAK is the best in MK:A. SC3's sucked.Fatalities are pure MK obviously, but even though some bitch about the newer system I don't mind it to be honest.I can go either way, bring back the older ones or keep this one or both in MK 8.Either way fatalities own.
Also, for chrome concerning when MK was out Tekken was in production.Yeah that's true, however VF was out even before Tekken yet gets no credit for it.SF and MK were out first before ANY other fighters today.
SF and MK inspired all the fighters out today.Midway admits that SF inspired them.
The creator of DOA was quoted in one of my old gameinformers saying SF and MK inspired his idea.Most here don't even know that I bet....
Tekken can stay offline forever, hey if the fans like it that way as oppose to seeing if there's any other elite players out there then by all means do that.As an MK fan I couldn't care less to be honest, but as far as expanding your comp Namco nor their fans can throw me any excuse in the world as to WHY more comp isn't a big deal in any online form.
Bleed, DOAU sucked online for xbox, DOA4 is much, much better and improved.What does that tell you?
All it takes is effort, Namco as far as I'm concerned is afraid to even try yet they keep hiding behind that same "well it won't work online" excuse, thus stealing any opportunity away from the fans that want actual competition other then a silly computer who will only use the same patterns, it's only a matter of time before you can adapt to a machines mechanics.
So, tekken fans can brag all they want about such a great game yet with garbage for competition.If you play a fighter especially, then what's the point of bragging if you can't play another human player that's good?Pointless.
It's not like a Zelda game or a Final Fantasy game that's MEANT to be played offline and only offline for lots of fun.
Fighters are different, you NEED comp to improve not a computer.This is a fact of any and all fighting games.
You need to lose to another good player to learn from it, then improve.This is basic knowledge.
Yeah, you know I don't play Tekken every single day like I do with MK but give me a week and I'll beat Tekken 5's computer.....but does that enable me to brag saying I'm the best tekken player because I owned the machine?Hell no lol.
So, again from an competitive point of view Tekken is losing massively right now compared to other games.Same goes for SC3.
Nobody as I said is going to fly literally cross country just to play another player in Tekken.I have played other fighters and I'm telling you man, nobody will pay that much money unless as I said "the person has no life" it's obvious man.Also, to prove further more on my theory.Take all those diehard Tekken fans on MKO from 2 years ago, most of them got banned(how ironic) now but some still come here.Out of all those diehard Tekken fans when ever I threw out the "what about comp" card in tekken, only one guy on here has said he would actually fly all over and play anyone.1 Tru King that loser.Everyone else, ummm peep or said they don't have the time or money to do that.Enough said, I rest my case...
No matter how great a fighting game is if you never offer an option to expand your comp, it sucks overall.Only so many times one can own the computer.
UMK3 I'm glad to see that you see why that games great, there are some ignorant people on here and else where that think it's broken and not playable.I just wanted to establish that.
But in a nutshell, you don't have to make a "fancy offline complex fighting game" to make a good fighting game.SF and MK are simple when compared, yet they have tons of fans to this day.
BTW, to kingjolly for a guy that apparently hates MK you're sure making an effort to get those "MK comics" out in your siggy...hilarious.
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