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05/21/2008 09:15 AM (UTC)
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the question
if he can menage to get up to stryker without bein shot
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05/21/2008 08:21 PM (UTC)
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Mick-Lucifer Wrote:
mkflegend Wrote:
Good match, very tough. From a martial arts point of view, it's close but being that Stryker is a cop with guns, tazers that he can use from far range and Question's gases you NEED to be closer, I'll go with Stryker here.

He can just shoot him or taz him or toss a grenade at him lol.

Stryker would never see him coming!


Ha, Ha....

Styker would win none the lessgrin

Question is cool though don't get me wrong.

On your "MK guys have superior martial arts" well that's because being that in MK, most if not all guys have a high level skills in martial arts..I mean look at the name. Mortal Kombat....

In Comic book worlds it's more like "power" kombat...in most cases

MK has both but at least they can all fight up close.

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05/21/2008 10:31 PM (UTC)
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I hate Stryker, but I love MK, so...

Stryker!
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05/22/2008 04:57 AM (UTC)
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Styker would win none the lessgrin

He really wouldn't stand a chance...

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On your "MK guys have superior martial arts" well that's because being that in MK, most if not all guys have a high level skills in martial arts..I mean look at the name. Mortal Kombat....

Okay, did you actually even read what I said?
I very specifically said that, despite theoretically being proficient martial artists, the problem is down to the execution and characterization. There's nothing tangible to support that for a good many of the characters.

MK's often too busy making ham fisted gestures toward plot to show their characters, even leads, as anything but clumsy morons.

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MK has both but at least they can all fight up close.

Based on tangible fact -- the Question is a better martial artist than Stryker, a far better tactician, and that's not even getting into the abstract advantages of his shamanic abilities. Abilities that approach martial arts pseudo-philosophy that MK arguably depends on, but rarely elaborates on.
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05/22/2008 11:53 PM (UTC)
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Mick-Lucifer Wrote:
mkflegend Wrote:
Styker would win none the lessgrin

He really wouldn't stand a chance...

mkflegend Wrote:
On your "MK guys have superior martial arts" well that's because being that in MK, most if not all guys have a high level skills in martial arts..I mean look at the name. Mortal Kombat....

Okay, did you actually even read what I said?
I very specifically said that, despite theoretically being proficient martial artists, the problem is down to the execution and characterization. There's nothing tangible to support that for a good many of the characters.

MK's often too busy making ham fisted gestures toward plot to show their characters, even leads, as anything but clumsy morons.

mkflegend Wrote:
MK has both but at least they can all fight up close.

Based on tangible fact -- the Question is a better martial artist than Stryker, a far better tactician, and that's not even getting into the abstract advantages of his shamanic abilities. Abilities that approach martial arts pseudo-philosophy that MK arguably depends on, but rarely elaborates on.


Actually, I'm pretty certain Stryker would...tazers, guns, grenades are all easy FAR range weapons...what's question going to do against that? Throw a gas bottle? or spray? lol don't think so...

On your martial arts post, well except for the fact that again....most characters CAN fight in MK via martial arts....

Are you sure you're following "Mortal Kombat" and not some other series you're getting confused with? lol MK's busy making ham fisted gestures? Ummm not really but ok....

Obviously you haven't seen many fighting games introductions as most are either kata animations, fighting sequences....

Tangible fact meaning your personal opinion? You have no proof supporting Question being "a better" martial artist then Stryker, but like I said even if say he is a better "fighter" that's not going to do much against tazers, guns and grenades from a far......Question charges Stryker, Stryker shoots him(think UMK3 here) game over. Stryker wins!

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05/23/2008 05:22 PM (UTC)
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05/23/2008 05:49 PM (UTC)
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Stryker; no question about it.

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05/23/2008 06:11 PM (UTC)
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Actually, I'm pretty certain Stryker would...tazers, guns, grenades are all easy FAR range weapons...what's question going to do against that? Throw a gas bottle? or spray? lol don't think so...

... Avoid them...
See, sometimes, in fiction, proficient fighters can actually avoid being hit.
Something the Question is particularly good at given his ability to read and anticipate moves through his shamanic readings.

mkflegend Wrote:
On your martial arts post, well except for the fact that again....most characters CAN fight in MK via martial arts....

Are you sure you're following "Mortal Kombat" and not some other series you're getting confused with? lol MK's busy making ham fisted gestures? Ummm not really but ok....

Obviously you haven't seen many fighting games introductions as most are either kata animations, fighting sequences....

... Okay, you read it, you just didn't understand any of it.
You have no idea what ham fisted gestures are, do you? I sometimes forget I need to elaborate more...

Stryker's a very specific example of a character who's conceptually supposed to be a very proficient martial artist, but has never really been shown to be that. MKA was a much better representation in-game, but nothing we know about Stryker says much more than tubby riot cop with weapons.

The Question's had forty years to accumulate a print library of countless examples of his fighting expertise. His stature as a fictional fighter is immediately present. In contrast, like many MK characters, Stryker has very little tangible evidence of his ability - tangible evidence being something you can actually look at and compare and assess.

As a theory this is a problem for many of the MK cast.
Because the beats of a story usually supercede characterization, most characters come off shallow, boarish, or moronic. Very little of the drama or struggle does anything to build their credibility as fighters. Our time with Liu Kang as a character is typically something like his MK4 ending, or MKSM, where the character is little more than a dawdling idiot.

The Question, like most DC characters, has been touched by some exceptionally talented writers. The volume of this work lends far more credibility and specifics to the realised fighting potential of the character.


You mentioned other fighting games... A Tekken, a DOA, a Street Fighter... All of these series have readily available examples of their characters performing with individual, and rich fighting styles. Their gaming mechanics are vehicles to much more readily display their characters in a light that supports their fighting ability.

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Tangible fact meaning your personal opinion? You have no proof supporting Question being "a better" martial artist then Stryker, but like I said even if say he is a better "fighter" that's not going to do much against tazers, guns and grenades from a far......Question charges Stryker, Stryker shoots him(think UMK3 here) game over. Stryker wins!

Again, there hasn't been a lot of discussion about the Question's ability to 'walk between worlds' and read the landscape and his opponents through his shamanic abilities.

There's nothing to make anyone think Stryker is any kind of delicate fighter.
The Question could very easily ambush Stryker, if not evade detection during a fight, only to strike the knock-out blow before batons, tasers, or pistols even enter into it.

Again, to refer to tangible evidence, The Question, like many of his contemporaries, quite readily dishes out beatings to gunmen, through superior fighting technique.

The Question and his other-worldly senses very specifically reference the ideals of martial arts philosophy in fiction. Stryker evokes that quality substantially less than other MK characters, like Liu Kang, and is even less likely to be able to compete with the Question as a hand-to-hand fighter.

There's really no argument.
Superman might stand still and endure a gun shot, sure. But if we're talking about these characters beyond their super powers, the Question easily wins.
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05/23/2008 11:58 PM (UTC)
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mkflegend Wrote:
On your martial arts post, well except for the fact that again....most characters CAN fight in MK via martial arts....


... Okay, you read it, you just didn't understand any of it.
You have no idea what ham fisted gestures are, do you? I sometimes forget I need to elaborate more...

Stryker's a very specific example of a character who's conceptually supposed to be a very proficient martial artist, but has never really been shown to be that. MKA was a much better representation in-game, but nothing we know about Stryker says much more than tubby riot cop with weapons.

The Question's had forty years to accumulate a print library of countless examples of his fighting expertise. His stature as a fictional fighter is immediately present. In contrast, like many MK characters, Stryker has very little tangible evidence of his ability - tangible evidence being something you can actually look at and compare and assess.

As a theory this is a problem for many of the MK cast.
Because the beats of a story usually supercede characterization, most characters come off shallow, boarish, or moronic. Very little of the drama or struggle does anything to build their credibility as fighters. Our time with Liu Kang as a character is typically something like his MK4 ending, or MKSM, where the character is little more than a dawdling idiot.

The Question, like most DC characters, has been touched by some exceptionally talented writers. The volume of this work lends far more credibility and specifics to the realised fighting potential of the character.


You mentioned other fighting games... A Tekken, a DOA, a Street Fighter... All of these series have readily available examples of their characters performing with individual, and rich fighting styles. Their gaming mechanics are vehicles to much more readily display their characters in a light that supports their fighting ability.

mkflegend Wrote:

Again, there hasn't been a lot of discussion about the Question's ability to 'walk between worlds' and read the landscape and his opponents through his shamanic abilities.

There's nothing to make anyone think Stryker is any kind of delicate fighter.
The Question could very easily ambush Stryker, if not evade detection during a fight, only to strike the knock-out blow before batons, tasers, or pistols even enter into it.

Again, to refer to tangible evidence, The Question, like many of his contemporaries, quite readily dishes out beatings to gunmen, through superior fighting technique.

The Question and his other-worldly senses very specifically reference the ideals of martial arts philosophy in fiction. Stryker evokes that quality substantially less than other MK characters, like Liu Kang, and is even less likely to be able to compete with the Question as a hand-to-hand fighter.

There's really no argument.
Superman might stand still and endure a gun shot, sure. But if we're talking about these characters beyond their super powers, the Question easily wins.


Ok, so by your view of the Question he's boarderline "supernatural" even though his wiki explanation or elsewhere online doesn't say that.

I think you're giving him just a tad bit too much credit honestly, I've read a little bit about him, seen the shows with him. He's nothing more then a great detective, good fighter and is rather very clever and smart. Other then that he's really nothing "supernatural" like you're going on about here.

So, he'll be able to anticipate "stryker from a far pulling a gun" you do realize that Stryker is a cop right? And not some street punk, he's heavily trained, as his MKA look even suggests has a good arsenal of weapons and can hold his own well enough. Like I said before, up close it's anyones call....Stryker is an experienced cop trained obviously to fight well, Question is also a highly trained martial artist but Stryker wouldn't give Question the chance to get NEAR him lol.

I disagree with you on the MK characters not being defined well enough with their martial arts or or have proof, if you read and follow the storylines of each character individually you'd know and understand more that certain characters just like DC or anything else can fight better then other characters but overall they can all fight well.

I mean, ok let's take Sub for example. He's survived ohh let's see here onslaughts by the Lin Kuei for disobeying their rules when they were the "old corrupted Lin Kuei" from Sektor, Cyrax, Smoke and most likely other smaller ninjas from the clan as portrayed in the TV series.....then he survived MKD's events on top of the whole Scorpion and Quan-Chi stuff from MK4 going on around him.....yeah, MK characters can fight if a mere Ice Ninja can fight off undead spectres, powerful sorcerers, highly trained and evil ninja cyborgs with missles, and other technologically advanced weapons....

Liu Kang and Kung I don't even have to go into, they're among the least powerful from a "supernatural" point of view and have defeated many powerful foes over the years, enough said. I can go on and on but yeah...

I definitely disagree with you on that concept.

Actually, I understand your Stryker point , what I'm saying is that not only with MKA's intro of portraying Stryker's fighting abilities but there's also his storyline, he's survived Kahn's invasion and most likely fought against Kahn's minions. You have to realize in most stories even DC at times there's a lot that must be assumed. I mean, example...in the Superman and Batman vs. Alien and Predator comic(couple years back) Superman was zapping and fighting off lots of Aliens...did they say 10 or 40? no..but either way it's assumed that he fought off LOTS. In the pics you'll only see a few at a time, but knowing aliens it's assumed it was several since they hunt in packs. And Stryker isn't a "tubby cop" why you think that puzzles me but since you feel that way, that might be why I feel you're not that familiar with Stryker....he's not tubby nor fat. He's very fit actually and muscular. He's not this "huge bulky" dude but he's not tubby either... lol

Same thing with MK, a characters storyline defines just how powerful they're and the MK characters can fight just like any other fighter/characters.

We are talking about these characters overall with all their abilities vs. one another, with all their weapons in which stryker simply has better, more far range weapons then Question does and would just shoot him lol. I mean he had the auto pistol in UMK3, the machine gun, tazers and grenades in MKA....I just don't see Question "anticipating or dodging" all of that from an experienced Cop.

If you were referring to some punk with a few street moves, I'd agree with you but not someone of Stryker's calibur.
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05/24/2008 12:10 AM (UTC)
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Here’s a good Question bio

It’s what started my interest in the character anyway.

Not unexpected to see the votes for MK just because it's MK, both franchises have some terrible characters.
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05/24/2008 05:26 PM (UTC)
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I'm going to have to go with The Question (assuming we're talking Vic Sage here). Years of comic book reading has shown me the inner workings of the character, and leaves no doubt in my mind that he'd dominate against Stryker. Not that I don't like Stryker or anything, I just don't think he could hold a candle to Vic Sage.
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05/24/2008 06:01 PM (UTC)
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Stryker survived a MK take over before. The question wouldnt know what to do. He would have to hide or die
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05/24/2008 07:56 PM (UTC)
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Ok, so by your view of the Question he's boarderline "supernatural" even though his wiki explanation or elsewhere online doesn't say that.

I think you're giving him just a tad bit too much credit honestly, I've read a little bit about him, seen the shows with him. He's nothing more then a great detective, good fighter and is rather very clever and smart. Other then that he's really nothing "supernatural" like you're going on about here.

The depth of his shamanic abilities was fleshed out very well in a 2005 mini-series. It's always been a facet of the character, and even if some of the zen and martial arts philosophies well associated with previous incarnations haven't been that tactile, it's confirmation of a reasonably logical conclusion.

The cartoons and Wikipedia are only going to do so much.
Especially if you don't have any context for the information in short blurbs.

mkflegend Wrote:
So, he'll be able to anticipate "stryker from a far pulling a gun" you do realize that Stryker is a cop right? And not some street punk, he's heavily trained, as his MKA look even suggests has a good arsenal of weapons and can hold his own well enough. Like I said before, up close it's anyones call....Stryker is an experienced cop trained obviously to fight well, Question is also a highly trained martial artist but Stryker wouldn't give Question the chance to get NEAR him lol.

The Question routinely evades cops... Stryker isn't exactly anything exceptional, even with the extent of those concepts. The Question deals more with martial arts philosophy. Stryker's run a few courses with the district trainer...

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I disagree with you on the MK characters not being defined well enough with their martial arts or or have proof, if you read and follow the storylines of each character...

... Well, I think your lack of perception is becoming a very general theme that's just going to start to seem insulting. Suffice to say you don't seem to be able to get past the concessions Mortal Kombat asks for.

I very specifically acknowledged it isn't the entire cast.
Sub-Zero and Scorpion are obvious exceptions. Characters who've had enough investment to support the nature of their characters.

mkflegend Wrote:
Liu Kang and Kung I don't even have to go into, they're among the least powerful from a "supernatural" point of view and have defeated many powerful foes over the years, enough said.


mkflegend Wrote:
have to realize in most stories even DC at times there's a lot that must be assumed. I mean, example...in the Superman and Batman vs. Alien and Predator comic(couple years back) Superman was zapping and fighting off lots of Aliens...did they say 10 or 40? no..but either way it's assumed that he fought off LOTS. In the pics you'll only see a few at a time, but knowing aliens it's assumed it was several since they hunt in packs.

... You should try reading my site (or work) some time.
Understanding the language of fiction, especially comics, is not something I have any trouble with. Those implications are structurally designed to support this kind of argument, as opposed to taking a character at face value because that's the role he's supposed to play.

There's nothing tangible about the events of MKT.
Stryker could've hid in a dumpster for all we know. It's another example of the MK penchant for servicing minimum requirements of a story.
Yes, you give Stryker a certain degree of credit for that, but there is absolutely no argument or basis for thinking Stryker has any chance against a character with a library of references that very specifically show him dealing with characters of similar description, and beyond.

mkflegend Wrote:I just don't see Question "anticipating or dodging" all of that from an experienced Cop.

He's done it routinely for forty years...

Shocking, I know.
I'm sure a lot of people are currently rethinking their lives now that they've seen unthinkable cracks in your otherwise infallible perception. Will the sun still rise? We'll have to wait and see...
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05/24/2008 09:17 PM (UTC)
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Mick-Lucifer Wrote:
mkflegend Wrote:<


The depth of his shamanic abilities was fleshed out very well in a 2005 mini-series. It's always been a facet of the character, and even if some of the zen and martial arts philosophies well associated with previous incarnations haven't been that tactile, it's confirmation of a reasonably logical conclusion.

The cartoons and Wikipedia are only going to do so much.
Especially if you don't have any context for the information in short blurbs.

The Question routinely evades cops... Stryker isn't exactly anything exceptional, even with the extent of those concepts. The Question deals more with martial arts philosophy. Stryker's run a few courses with the district trainer...

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... Well, I think your lack of perception is becoming a very general theme that's just going to start to seem insulting. Suffice to say you don't seem to be able to get past the concessions Mortal Kombat asks for.

I very specifically acknowledged it isn't the entire cast.
Sub-Zero and Scorpion are obvious exceptions. Characters who've had enough investment to support the nature of their characters.


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... You should try reading my site (or work) some time.
Understanding the language of fiction, especially comics, is not something I have any trouble with. Those implications are structurally designed to support this kind of argument, as opposed to taking a character at face value because that's the role he's supposed to play.

There's nothing tangible about the events of MKT.
Stryker could've hid in a dumpster for all we know. It's another example of the MK penchant for servicing minimum requirements of a story.
Yes, you give Stryker a certain degree of credit for that, but there is absolutely no argument or basis for thinking Stryker has any chance against a character with a library of references that very specifically show him dealing with characters of similar description, and beyond.

He's done it routinely for forty years...

Shocking, I know.
I'm sure a lot of people are currently rethinking their lives now that they've seen unthinkable cracks in your otherwise infallible perception. Will the sun still rise? We'll have to wait and see...



Actually, my perception is fine I think the problem is you're pulling a "darklord" here in which everyone who disagrees with him he'll try to act as if his personal thoughts are fact in which that's just flat out nonsense. If anything you're showing a lack of Stryker's/MK knowledge and fact.

You see, it's like I said on my "Alien vs. Superman" point, telling me to read your site to further support that argument yet....you're saying in Stryker's case he could have hid in a dumpster for all we know....well for one, we don't know but I highly doubt he "hid" being a cop with weapons. No offense but since it's your site, it's your personal opinion. I don't need to look at your site, I already know you have a passion for comics more then anything else....yet you're on an MK site which puzzles me a little bit, have you ever actually liked MK? Just curious because most of the time you seem to bash it more then anything.

Also, you don't know about his "training" so please stop assuming you know Stryker's background when even us MK fans don't even know that but it's assumed he knows a lot. Still, he's a cop, come on now lol he lead patrols, survived Kahn's invasion among other attacks and is yet...still here. I'd highly doubt he only did a few laps in training prior to that....

I think your arrogance is seriously blinding your attempt at MK knowledge in cases like these, and you're saying I have a bias ha, ha this coming from mr. comic freak right? Notice most votes in here aren't for Question......so I guess their "perception is messed up too huh"? I'll give ya kudos for giving us detail on Question but not when it comes to MK.

You also said earlier most of the MK cast, yet now that I proved you wrong you're saying Sub and Scorp are "exceptions".....they're not the only ones in the case of "who can fight"

Ok, Question evades "cops" over the years....ok so he avoids the, but I'd still love to see him evade a couple of hundred bullets coming his way aimed straight as his head....body. It's the Question, not Superman or the Flash may I remind you dude.

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05/25/2008 08:52 PM (UTC)
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Is English your native language? There seems to be a real language barrier here, if not something else. I'm trying to be consistent with what I'm saying, if nothing else...

mkflegend Wrote:
... you're saying in Stryker's case he could have hid in a dumpster for all we know....well for one, we don't know...

Hence, very little tangible evidence...

mkflegend Wrote:
yet you're on an MK site which puzzles me a little bit, have you ever actually liked MK? Just curious because most of the time you seem to bash it more then anything.

Bashing usually implies something unmotivated or completely unfounded. Being critical is something very different, and when it comes to being a fan, that's often the reason for being critical.

As is the common theme, you don't seem to be inclined to actually take in or understand the specifics of these kinds of complaints...

mkflegend Wrote:
Also, you don't know about his "training" so please stop assuming you know Stryker's background when even us MK fans don't even know...

Ergo, very little tangible evidence...

mkflegend Wrote:
Still, he's a cop, come on now

Which is why you'd safely assume he's had some standard grade taining, yes...

mkflegend Wrote:
Notice most votes in here aren't for Question......so I guess their "perception is messed up too huh"?

... I dare say most would be pretty happy to acknowledge they know very little of the character. Wikipedia entries and the odd Saturday morning cartoon, not withstanding...

mkflegend Wrote:
You also said earlier most of the MK cast, yet now that I proved you wrong you're saying Sub and Scorp are "exceptions".....they're not the only ones in the case of "who can fight"

Most. Many. Not all... Among the many language issues, the discussion of how fighting ability is being measured seems lost. Which, again, is not about the concept of characters being martial artists, which most MK characters are, but of the characterization and dramatic legitimacy and evidence of that ability.

As we're talking about Stryker, one of the least impressive MK characters, the last thing I want to do is introduce other factors that are only going to confuse further...

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Ok, Question evades "cops" over the years....ok so he avoids the, but I'd still love to see him evade a couple of hundred bullets coming his way aimed straight as his head....body. It's the Question, not Superman or the Flash may I remind you dude.

... You're imagining a 2D sprite V sprite fight, aren't you?

The Question can not evade one hundred bullets fired at him, no.
Fortunately for ol' Vic Sage, Stryker isn't a human firing squad, and that isn't an issue. Not that a firing squad isn't dismantled swiftly by a character with a penchant for stealth and an otherworldly ability to communicate with, and read his surroundings.

The Question is going to take full advantage of his environment, and move in directions other than left, right, and the odd jump. He's a better fighter, a more experienced fighter, a fighter with advantages over a guy with a baton and a taser... I don't know how much simpler I can put it... Both conceptually, and based on tangible evidence, the Question is superior.

That isn't a personal insult, or a terrible curse on the families of the makers of the games. That's just a straight forward measure of what's available...

It shouldn't need to be elaborated on this much. It's very straight forward.
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05/25/2008 11:40 PM (UTC)
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Mick-Lucifer Wrote:
Is English your native language? There seems to be a real language barrier here, if not something else. I'm trying to be consistent with what I'm saying, if nothing else...

mkflegend Wrote:
... you're saying in Stryker's case he could have hid in a dumpster for all we know....well for one, we don't know...

Hence, very little tangible evidence...

mkflegend Wrote:
yet you're on an MK site which puzzles me a little bit, have you ever actually liked MK? Just curious because most of the time you seem to bash it more then anything.

Bashing usually implies something unmotivated or completely unfounded. Being critical is something very different, and when it comes to being a fan, that's often the reason for being critical.

As is the common theme, you don't seem to be inclined to actually take in or understand the specifics of these kinds of complaints...

mkflegend Wrote:
Also, you don't know about his "training" so please stop assuming you know Stryker's background when even us MK fans don't even know...

Ergo, very little tangible evidence...

mkflegend Wrote:
Still, he's a cop, come on now

Which is why you'd safely assume he's had some standard grade taining, yes...

mkflegend Wrote:
Notice most votes in here aren't for Question......so I guess their "perception is messed up too huh"?

... I dare say most would be pretty happy to acknowledge they know very little of the character. Wikipedia entries and the odd Saturday morning cartoon, not withstanding...

mkflegend Wrote:
You also said earlier most of the MK cast, yet now that I proved you wrong you're saying Sub and Scorp are "exceptions".....they're not the only ones in the case of "who can fight"

Most. Many. Not all... Among the many language issues, the discussion of how fighting ability is being measured seems lost. Which, again, is not about the concept of characters being martial artists, which most MK characters are, but of the characterization and dramatic legitimacy and evidence of that ability.

As we're talking about Stryker, one of the least impressive MK characters, the last thing I want to do is introduce other factors that are only going to confuse further...

mkflegend Wrote:
Ok, Question evades "cops" over the years....ok so he avoids the, but I'd still love to see him evade a couple of hundred bullets coming his way aimed straight as his head....body. It's the Question, not Superman or the Flash may I remind you dude.

... You're imagining a 2D sprite V sprite fight, aren't you?

The Question can not evade one hundred bullets fired at him, no.
Fortunately for ol' Vic Sage, Stryker isn't a human firing squad, and that isn't an issue. Not that a firing squad isn't dismantled swiftly by a character with a penchant for stealth and an otherworldly ability to communicate with, and read his surroundings.

The Question is going to take full advantage of his environment, and move in directions other than left, right, and the odd jump. He's a better fighter, a more experienced fighter, a fighter with advantages over a guy with a baton and a taser... I don't know how much simpler I can put it... Both conceptually, and based on tangible evidence, the Question is superior.

That isn't a personal insult, or a terrible curse on the families of the makers of the games. That's just a straight forward measure of what's available...

It shouldn't need to be elaborated on this much. It's very straight forward.


lol, that's not tangible evidence....but believe what you will man. You don't know nor can say(you're assuming in your own mind) that that's how Stryker "survived" your opinion is "not evidence" why so afraid to admit the fact that he most likely fought off kahn's minions like the rest of the Chosen Warriors...

Yes, English is my native language is it yours? Relevance? lol

Well, especially on this site one can easily get the two "criticizing and bashing" that is, very rarely or in a mature fashion has anyone on here had constructive criticism unless they're a player like me that actually plays the games at high level, thus we understand the gameplay better then most if not all.

Now, other things such as costumes, story etc, etc is all trivial and a second though. A bonus as far as I'm concerned but still enjoy it.

I'm just trying to remember when you said something positive about MK...thinks..can't remember lol I understand fine, it's just people at times or some of your posts tend to piss off some fans more then anything else really. Not me, I think they're rather amusing but have seen some other people come at you at times on here lol

Perhaps cops are trained more mildly where you're from? Where I'm from NYC like he's from in the game, they're trained actually well...

I'll agree that wiki isn't always accurate, but with comics it is 9 times out of 10. Question's popularity I take it is the reason why the whole "Shamanic" powers isn't even listed, you should update it or have someone do it seriously...

I will admit though, most MK fans on here(not all but a lot) are very ignorant and have a bad perception of "DC characters" in general. Agreed? I mean, Superman and Batman alone I could go on for days with some of the stuff posted on here lol.

Ok...I'm not confused at all but do agree, let's stick to "Stryker" or until the next match anyway...

Nope, not imagining any sprites, just something called a realistic approach.

Ok, Stryker obviously isn't a firing squad....but are you aware of an automatic riot gun and machine gun? A pistol is one thing, machine gun shoots a lot more rounds per-second and per-minute. Just want to point that out.

Like I said, one on one it's anyones game but unless Question is Superman, he's not going to dodge a Machine gun on auto...sorry











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05/26/2008 03:39 PM (UTC)
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Stryker Wins

Round 17:

Scarecrow



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Havik



Powers & Abilities: Scarecrow:

- Well-educated on the psychology of fear
- Develops various tools which induce crippling fear
- May transform under duress into the monstrous "Scarebeast", gaining superhuman strength, endurance, and a more potent hallucinogen. - Master of drunken boxing and crane-style kung-fu.

Fear evocation

Crane is a psychologist with a specialty in phobias. Using a variety of toxins that cause his victims to hallucinate that their phobias have come to life, the Scarecrow can instill fear in all who see him. However, recently he has displayed the ability to literally frighten to death people without relying in the chemical (only talking to people was enough), suggesting a great ability to dominate the human psyche using fear as a weapon. In Batman Begins, the fear toxin he uses is extracted from a mountaintop blue flower from Tibet, and only works in vapour form. Crane uses his Scarecrow mask to enhance the effect of the hallucinogen.

[edit] Unarmed combat

When forced to fight, he has used a style called "violent dancing", which is based in partly off the crane style of kung fu and drunken boxing, which makes full use of his long arms and legs. Most storylines, however, have suggested he has no real means of hand-to-hand combat, presenting him as physically unintimidating.

[edit] Scarebeast
Scarecrow is mutated into the terrifying Scarebeast. Art by Dustin Nguyen and Richard Friend.
Scarecrow is mutated into the terrifying Scarebeast.
Art by Dustin Nguyen and Richard Friend.

During the "As the Crow Flies" story arc (commencing with Batman #627, July 2004), the Scarecrow is transformed into a murderous creature known as the Scarebeast by the Penguin and his assistant Linda Friitawa (Fright) to kill off his disloyal colleagues. Through the intensely traumatic mutation, the Scarebeast possesses super strength, endurance, clawed hands and can release an even stronger hallucinogenic gas. After being defeated by Batman by injecting it with massive amounts of tranquilizers, the Scarebeast reverts back into Jonathan Crane, who ends up in a critical coma, from which he later awakens.

The Scarecrow has also transformed into the Scarebeast in the "War Games" story arc. However, the Scarebeast has yet to be seen again after this storyline, and his recent appearances in Villains United Special and Batman seem to indicate the Scarebeast may be gone.
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05/26/2008 06:38 PM (UTC)
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wow best match yet! I love both characters but I say havik
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05/26/2008 07:59 PM (UTC)
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Scarecrow.
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05/26/2008 08:06 PM (UTC)
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Havik.
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05/26/2008 11:08 PM (UTC)
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havik all the way lol

scare crow can scare ppl ohhhhhhhhh... maybe he has superhuman strength and such ( and maybe more NOt a DC fan srry) but only as scare beast. havik isnt afraid of anything hes from a realm of chaos where in it, it is possible to shit out ur mouth and walk on walls. Also havik is extremly durable and can heal through breaking his legs or snapping his neck. (awsome) not to mention his powers and his fighting styles
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05/26/2008 11:19 PM (UTC)
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Havik's like twenty fucking times stronger than Scarecrow.

And as a side note, do you actually think that a Cleric of Chaos would be affraid of such a retarded moron like the Scarecrow? I mean, the guy WAS FUCKING BORN IN THE CHAOSREALM... can Scarecrow top that? Way NO.
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05/27/2008 12:10 AM (UTC)
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Havik...all day long.
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ThePredator151 Wrote:
Havik...all day long.

Painfully!

Worst case scenario? Havik flips out having hallucinations of having to wait in cue for a number ticket before he can be served by a clerk -- and inadvertently kills Scarecrow in the panic. Total mismatch!
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05/27/2008 04:29 AM (UTC)
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Mick-Lucifer Wrote:
ThePredator151 Wrote:
Havik...all day long.

Painfully!

Worst case scenario? Havik flips out having hallucinations of having to wait in cue for a number ticket before he can be served by a clerk -- and inadvertently kills Scarecrow in the panic. Total mismatch!

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