To answer your question... It was JT*!

(all of my replies are under the assumption that what you say about JTF is completely true)

MKF's issue with everbody is a completely different subject. MKF got on people's nerves because of his avoidance and (even you can admit this) his illogical and often times incoherently non-sensical replies.

It also doesn't share a comparison with Crow and MegaBabe and the other mods here. Why did people get so pissed at them? Nobody gave a shit what there personal lives involved. Nobody gives a shit now. They directly effected our experience on the online message boards in various negative ways. That's why people got pissed. That's why people left.

How has JTF done anything like that? Look how many people are over there enjoying that site. It's more fun.

Integrity matters? How? Remember, I'm assuming for the purposes of this discussion that JTF is and has always been the sole operator of his website and that he makes up 50% of the "users" there. And even if he is... it still DOESN'T AFFECT MY ONLINE EXPERIENCE.

Why do I care about his integrity? It's not that serious an issue to me. He provides a fun message boards website that a lot of people enjoy. What do I care what else he does? He doesn't directly effect our experience the way it was here. So I don't care how he conducts himself as a person (whether I believe it or not).

Personal live??? Who's talking about personal live?? This is where I think you have this shit mixed up. It's all online activities.. NOT personal life!

JT*'s history has nothing to do with where he shops or whether or not he's still a virgin, it's simply hes online conduct. He lacks integrity and that's a fact. I choose to only deal with people who exhibit an acceptable level on that. If you think it's acceptable to pretend to be multiple users and still continually lie about it then errrr.. I dunno what to say to you.

If you also think you can trust a man that clowned the name ChoaTheory, sent out some an apology to himself under your name and THEN replies to himself under another user's name then again I'm going be like..errrrrr.. good luck.

.. So, this has nothing to do with external activities in the real world.. it is all online and has affected everyone's experience somehow someway and an example of that is the MKF/Pig issue. That shit only got really bad because someone blew alotta fuel at it and that person is JT*! Same applies to DNC. Those are two cases that got badly out of hand because someone enjoyed playing devil's advocate and it won't be last time it'd happen.

Trax

Chaos -

The mods did'nt do anything wrong here. People were being immature and there was only but so much the mods would tolerate. They were trying to maintain a sensible atmosphere. They HAD to ban people for REPEATEDLY breaking the rules.....So people got mad. BUT THEY WERE FAIR AND UNBIASED. They also were PUBLIC and TEMPORARY unless you were a COMPLETE NUT JOB aka NORMAN.

- And when they did eventually make mistakes, I remember Crow stepping up and APOLOGIZING to the community. They did'nt go off and start a new website.


Why did everyone leave here again?????? Funny people dont remember, I do.


- Like little children running away from home because they were mad at their parents rules. Only to realize in order to survive they had live by the same rules the despised.



In comes psycho boy JTF with MKAC. A land were you are free to eat candy for dinner....who cares where it comes from.....its candy and its good.



Now lets take this silly behavior and apply it to MKA, where it counts and affects us all.

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Take the current 33 rules for example....Why is it more important as to WHO made the rules rather than VALIDITY of the rules? Cause JTF said so? Come on Chaos, is it really a popularity contest????

JTF was so intent on "exposing" Check that his stance and arguments on the whole 33, A/C issue were absolutely IRRATIONAL. His behavior is detrimental to any real progress on the issue. He is the major reason why the community has not agreed on any rules to this day. Well other than JTF's personal rules.






**** (For the record, MKAC had more rules, that were ridiculously biased, than MKO... Also they had a higher active/banned member ratio, and please dont act like JTF "the admin" doesnt piss people off...he gets into flame wars with poeple all the time.....he just promotes them to mod if he cant justify banning them)

No, but rather just easy to hate on someone who happens to disagree with them...notice, JTF, Pig and Mav are the ones banned from here...what does that tell ya?

I've played everyone on here at some point or another, when people however start becoming "obsessed" with me I want nothing to do with ya, don't care who likes that, don't care what someone thinks about it. I have a life outside this forum and MK you know, perhaps "certain people" don't but I sure do and I'm sure most on MKO do as well...and FTR, my issues were with 5 or so people that's not "everyone" on the online MK community, or there was those people who were just obsessed or hated me because they simply could not beat me so they'd want to play me a million times every night...

I get along perfectly well with majority on here and most of the oldschool vets that were here way before you, jtf, pig, meso etc don't even or hardly visit here anymore......sadly some of those other people just fell for JTF's bs and like a moth to the flame was attracted to his BS lies about me, trax, Atari and anyone else who happened to "disagree" or see thru his "con" ways...it's like Trax said earlier, some people chose to be his "pawns" and believed every word that comes out of his mouth while others didn't. Simple as that.

Atari's post is very valid concerning the making lots of people mods thing, how many people has he offered "superior" positions such as mods, sub mods etc most likely JUST to ensure the fact of them staying on his site? Especially with the more and more truth that came out about him....

Have fun here.

I know you have been so far.

Maverick got banned from both sites; So, I guess he must be dead by now due to lack of 'fun' in his life.

Chaos why are you here arguing with MKF he's an idiot and always will be, no point to try and talk sense into him. Let him stay here and talk to the 12 year olds on this site about his Scorpion costume and how "good" of a player he is. We all know the real truth about him anyways.

Maverick purposely got himself banned. Mav likes to start shit for fun; I know that more than most. He stopped playing the game and he had little to work with here. He wasn't having fun so of course he left.

You, MKF, and Atari still play the game and choose to attempt to interact with the community. Obviously it's fun for you just like it is for everybody else. So, again, have fun here.

Chaos, if you think I sit in front of my entertainment system crying my eyes out due to lack of interaction with the community on a game I play about once a week, you obviously have me mistaken for some other dude.

MK is one of many games I play across 3 consoles so try to not overstate the importance of talking shit with MK folks plus let's face it, 95% (probably 99.9%) of the conversations held especially with XBL players these days are pure garbage including this one.

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Hey it's the moronic troll. Go back to your master JTF, believe his lies you're nothing but a tool..his tool

Once again proving your stupidity and ignorance, most people on here aren't 12 ya dope and are actually older teens and young adults. But then again how would you know since you come to MKO to spam and post useless, dumb shit all the time so......ahh ha, ha, "scorpion costume" ha, ha notice you're the only smuck on here still talking about that ok there "G poser " keep wearing the coin up 25 cent machine bling-blings thinking you're cool, you look like a fool. Such a poser lol.

Yeah, we all know the truth about you too and your gay master JTF......in which most here disagree with how you feel about him

And I'm not "arguing" with Chaos or anyone here except you of course, just listing my point of view but since Groy is retarded he can't see that. Was I flaming Chaos? no, just merely disagreeing with him. Big difference.

Understood. Have fun.

wouldnt it be crazy if MKF and JTF were the same person. HA!

You don't have to necessarily be flamming someone when you are involved in an argument you fucking idiot. God this guy is such a dickhead/idiot!!!

MKF how's the 360 fund going?? You do understand you're going to need a 360 to play the new MK right?? Has you're broke lame ass been able to put together $400 yet?? After all you have been saving for the past 3 years. What's the matter the voice impersonations are not bringing in enough money. I'm sure it gets the girls wet though. That would explain your amazing luck with the females from what I heard.

As chaos said...have fun.

Ohh, what a hypocrite we are...did I hit a nerve? Go away troll...you should really take your own advice.

Yeah, my broke ass works from the ground up unlike your spoiled typical NYC ass that has mommy and daddy wipe their ass and do everything for them ha, ha...sad

Why do you care about my personal life? What are you gay or something? lol ohh btw your "source" that most likely starts with a J or a P that you worship is beyond off. Voice impressions? lol who ever said that's my job...that's for fun and is a hobby, whenever something comes along or my friends that make new projects come up I work for them or do it for fun.

I act independently MKF neither pig or JTF tell me to post here I post on these boards on my own free will. I don't understand why you always bring their name up when we argue. I've had a problem with you and your lame attitude before JTF's name was even mentioned on the boards and back when pig was once your friend and he used to actually defend you. YOU are the reason why people dislike you and you're always getting flammed, not pig or JTF or anyone. I guess you can say I spoil myself because neither my mother or father give me anything or support me because I'm able to work and support myself and buy the things I want. Then again you can't really say I'm spoiled can you? Since everything I have I've earned it through hard work. Oh and as my source on your voice impersonations that you claim I got from pig or JTF this is a link on youtube you yourself posted:

http://www.youtube.com/user/MKF30

How much fun can you get from being able to post on a forum? That doesnt make any sense to me. Do you mean more entertaining? Even so, that doesnt require me to interact with other users on a daily basis.


Groy - Why do you continue to flame MKLegend? I dont get it. Most of the things that people accuse MKLegend of doing, has been done by JTF, in fact worse.

For instance - I have been playing MKA frequently (until recently).....but I never saw Sleepy Jaguar (JTF) hosting a match....why is that?

I issued a challenge to him, but he avoids me.

He constantly lies about damn near everything.
Why is there a double standard? Is it because JTF is more popular?

Umm, so that's my impressions...some of which I can do and a few MK vids...Your point?

What exactly does that have to do with my personal life, jobs or other hobbies aside from MK, etc that I do?

lol, I'm not surprised that pig/jtf gave you that...since they get off stalking me, especially pig of late. Making new names, posting retarded shit.

You have inherited JTF's and pig's "trollness" Groy, congrats....

I'm waiting for you to be Pig or JTF's personal messenger next....ohh too late for that, my fault.

Like I said, you 3 are the only 3 people who actually "hate" me so much you'll waste your lives on it like stalking me on youtube like the other two dorks or making retarded hate threads? Can you say get a fucking life already? lol

Just so you know, all of my buds on here and outside of here that have been linked that that shit think you 3 are really sad people. Especially JTF and Pig...

Instead of worrying about my life, why do you try getting one of your own.

@ Atari, he's just bored and apparently has no life, nothing better to do just like JTF and his little minions. Some of which are on here...

The funny part is there are other users on here that disagree with me on MK, online, consoles etc that have pmed me recently concerning JTF being a true maniac and being a very "shady" and deceiving, lying character with the whole ohh I don't know PM system.

I guess his minions don't mind their private messages being viewed by a nutcase....

Uhh yeah sure this coming from someone who actually takes time out of his day to tape together a bunch of plastic bags and toilet paper to make a scorpion costume then parade around his house in it and take pictures of himself so he could post it on the internet. Then on top of that creates retarded videos of himself doing voice impersonations and also posts it online. Looks like you need to take your own advice Mr. MKF. Lol what a hypocrite. FYI neither pig or JTF gave me that link if you are anyone with the slightest bit of computer literacy all you have to do is type mkf30 into a google search engine and all of your youtube videos pop up.

@Atari I've never had any personal issues with JTF. I do believe if he wasn't the admin over on MKAC he definetely had a lot of influence but I don't care he's done some very commendable things that I think make him a much more likeable person than MKF. He's made his way to both the PS2 server as well as x-box to play people from the boards, something I think MKF wouldn't have the balls to do because he's all talk and scared of losing in a video game. I'm surprised he would duck challenges from you being that if he sees that I'm logged in on MKC he always asks me for games and he never complains about losing. Just about everyone else from the boards have played him and they say the same thing that I've said that he's a good sport and is definetely up for matches.

Atari you're a competitor you should just settle your differences and just come over to MKC and have fun. MKO is a website suited for people like MKF who rankwhore and cherry pick and don't play the game competitively. I could understand your argument about integrity I also believe very strongly in that which is why I don't understand why you defend someone like MKF. Even if he was the admin on the other site which I don't even know for sure, he's helped put together a new and better site and he has it in writing that he's the site owner when you enter the website. So either he's decided to stop playing his little game and be upfront with everyone or he never was the admin on the other site and now he wants it to be clear to everyone he is the site owner. Neither scenario that I just listed are not at all upsetting enough for me to just stop going to that site anyways.

lol, really? Because last time I checked both vids had 4 out of 5 rating or 5 out of 5. Better go shit on it now Groy....wouldn't want to see MKF look good since you care that much lol only idiots think they're "bad or inacurrate" hell even when I was on good terms with pig hut he WANTED to tape me separately doing just the voices....bet he didn't tell you that did he? Of course not....

Your costume bit is just like your posts, useless and retarded. You act as if you never "worn" a costume for halloween in your life or APPARENTLY never went to a Halloween party....you should try it sometime, you might see some girls with nice legs in hot costumes.

But I'm sure in your mind, you'll find that "weird" or "dumb"....

Funny, you came to MKO so I guess that makes you a "rank whore" and "cherry picker too" then....hypocrite yet again lol

Actually I do play the game competitively but you can keep believing crap that your imaginary friend feeds ya or your master lord JTF.... lol

Wow, you know you really must be seriously SLOW...if you don't realize by NOW that JTF IS/WAS the administrator...

Perhaps your loyalty to the "mighty JTF" blinds you worse then your pathetically, predictable arrogance?

That's good, then please stay on his site and don't bother posting on MKO.

g_roy_nyc, you know that I love proving MKF's ignorance at times just as the next guy but there is really no need for personal attacks. Let him dress as whatever he wants to dress as. If you have to attack someone's character or his or her life that means your argument is poor to begin with. I am not calling you out but this really applies to everyone.

Now, feel free to continue arguing...

PS: Check your PM.

Well you do have a point but MKF is usually the one who takes it to personal attacks first. You challenge him to games or comment on his constant cowardice and reluctance to play good players he'll comment on your grammar or the way YOU dress or look which he's done to pig and myself several times. He brings it on himself.

Peace

So much for my hope for the prevail of civility.

Okay, I just don't have it in me to give a moderately lengthy pontification spelling out how you two need to stop this or that, cause you're read it all before. Thus no advanced warnings via posts are needed or will come. So when posts are edited without regard for the resulting sentence structures or deleted from now on, you'll know why. You both know the deal, so harping about it to my attention or on the boards really will be a fruitless endeavor.

End of line.


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