I love JTF. He just roasted me in this PM he sent me. This dude is good. He's right, we would have gotten along beautifully.

I understand. But once again, you're giving me people's speculations. And forgive me, but I'm not taking the word of some of the people you listed.

-I've seen vids of some of these PAL players. Nothing to convince me that they are credible.

-Check got shit on at MKAC by EVERYONE (some of whom WERE his friends) because of his own actions. But he'll never acknowledge or admit any fault. Instead he twists truths, exaggerates in his favor, and makes EVERYONE ELSE out to be the bad guy. I surely would treat his word as special.

-V1ll... who is V1ll?

As for the rest... you all have your problems with him. Noted. I understand where all of you are coming from as well. But nonetheless, it's still JUST speculation.

Never once have I called any of you guys liars. I believe that you believe what you say. Fine. But that doesn't change the fact that nothing has been provided to me (or other users) aside from speculation and hearsay.

It's because of that, that I get so frustrated with the comments made by you guys about other users. You condemn (for lack of a better word) people because they don't see things through your eyes. I don't think it's right.

Just show me a PM or a link or something. If not... if this is all we have to go by, you shouldn't blame anybody for not treating your word like stone. Remember... people are enjoying that site more than they did this one and none of these allegations have ever happened to or affected their experiences. Realize where they're coming from.

The best PM ever sent --------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hey Atari, you may want to take a look in the member's list at MKC and see our newest member. Yeah, that's right. It's m2dave. :D

After seeing the proof, he realised he'd made a silly mistake and has joined up to MKC and started posting. You must be feeling pretty stupid about now, hmm? :D

Your long bullshit rant about Groy, who thinks you're a liar, and which was nonsensical even by MKO retard standards was hysterical when Chaos ignored it all and simply replied with:

'Atari's bitterness has led him to lose nearly all respect and credibility with the community.'

Then Playing to Win followed up with:

'wow atari, you are a bigger scrub then i ever imagined'

That's all I ever wanted, Atari. For the whole community to see you as a bitter loser and a scrub. It doesn't really get any better than that.

By the way, I never saw you remark on that last post I did on MKAC about you, about 2 months ago now. Good likeness in the picture, don't you think?

http://www.mkacentral.com/forums2/showthread.php?p=42116#post42116

Perhaps more importantly though in that post are all the links to people pointing out you're a liar when you lied about being banned. GRoy, Quest, Bobby Blaze, Pig all calling you a fag and a liar - that will stay on the forum homepage for years to come.

So there we have it. On 3 websites, MKAC, MKC and MKO, the Xbox community are all pointing out Atari is a liar, a scrub and a bitter loser with no credibility.

Didn't you learn anything from when MKF and Trax tried to hurt MKAC? It just made us stronger. Your lies and hysterical fantasies just hurt you, not us. Everyone loved the admin, everyone loved MKAC, everyone loves MKC and everyone thinks I'm great for all the work I do in giving them MKC.

Well this is your self created fate, Atari as it was Maverick's and MKF's. Stuck on a shitty dead board, rejected by the community as a lying weirdo, blaming JTF for all your mental problems day after day while everyone else is happily posting on another great site.

Speaking of which, I wonder why I see your IP address there in the guest list on MKC on a daily basis? Mr 'MKO is my home' is a bit of a hypocrite, it would seem.

I could IP ban you but I'm happy for you to press your nose against the window pane, standing out in the cold looking in.

I shan't be logging on as this ID again so no point replying in PM to this but feel free to paste this in the forum and make the usual fool of yourself with a long, rambling reply that no one reads or cares about.

I won't be reading it either. MKC is MY home and as I don't wish to be a hypocrite, especially after seeing you so comprehensively rejected by the community, I see no reason for me to return to MKO.

Seeya Mr Lying Scrub.

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Wow. I went back and read it a 2nd time and I am as just as amazed as when I first read it. I must admit this was brilliantly done.

Even though I probably should be enraged, it is reassuring to me to know that I am still relevant at a time when I almost lost hope. I feel even more connected with him now. I almost thought he was beyond this. I thought I didnt matter.

So many things in this PM that I find hillarious. Especially him pointing out one of Chaos post. So true, I almost shed a tear. LOL....and Chaos even called that gay and it is, VERY. Just as bad as emoticons, which I was beginning to implement into my post also.....but whats worse?? after all the post, he still ask for proof.

I almost shit myself when I read about me "pressing my nose up against the window". Especially the link to the picture of me. I am almost sure that wasnt there before, but hey, I would have definitely would have replied promptly.

Im not gonna lie man, this shit is good. Brilliant on so many levels. Im sure some will get a kick out of this. Even Maverick would be proud.

its called "PRT SCRN" until you actually proof anything, your full of it.

I 100% completely agree.

I resolved it. I have no more problems with him. Recently, I made a couple of posts on MKAC regarding Dairou.

All the PMs, keeping an eye on other people's post, copying of messages from another board, making references to events to seem like some battle has been won, making up further lies to cover past lies and pinning you guys against each other... The list goes on....
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I would seriously understand all those actions if something profound was riding on it. JTF's legacy is already sealed! Whether that being good or bad each man would have an opinion but not everyone would objectively state it. But I always use this saying... If something smells like a rat you can almost trust it being a rat.

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That said, Atari, if you keep giving him attention, he will keep PMing you till he feels he has fully convinced himself that he's back in control through some random lies. YES, half of his shit is funny and somewhat not to be expected of a grown man, but it is exactly what it is, a child in a body of man.

IGNORE HIM! - that's my best advice. Then everyone is happy! It's like the blue and red pill - you can't force people; they have to understand the reasons the behind choices they make.

Trax

If you did then you would obviously do that.

If you don't wish to take the word of some people I've listed, that's your choice/problem but none the less doesn't take away from the fact that JTF has had some major issues with those people I listed. And evidence is evidence.

It's not speculation, it's fact. There's been several posts on here made by different people concerning "read PMs' which defeats the purpose of "Private message", deleted threads that showed proof or good points countering JTF's nonsense like say some I've made on his site way back, Trax's thread that "magically disappeared", JTF denying the fact that he was the MK administrator when in reality he umm is...now I heard he admitted it or others finally saw thru his "smoke and mirrors" while some apparently are still very much in denial. Now whether that's because of pure loyalty to JTF or because they happen to like his site, doesn't really matter to me. Either way, it's blinding certain people to JTF's "questionable actions" concerning all of those names I listed. Obviously when "threads magically disappear" someone is trying to cover something up? yes, yes otherwise why not just close the thread like MKO and other MK sites do? hmmm.

Atari, he's posted lots of proof already. In fact I STILL might have the proof that Trax and I discussed a while back via my email. If I can find it, I'll post it but seriously though Chaos there's been tons of proof, fact and different users on here some of which are mods(now I know you guys over on MKAC hate the MKO mods) but at least they're not liars or pull shady nonsense like the owner of MKC.

Mav, although I never saw eye to eye with this guy on much he was right in the respect of JTF's madness....

M2dave, posted that other thread but even though he said it's not "resolved" I'm guessing he likes posting on there, which is fine that still doesn't take away from the fact that apparently his PM was also hacked into by JTF....

And as for me, well I've must have repeated myself 1 million times now but to make it short. My threads, posts were also deleted on his site at the time MKAC, my PMs read, the MK administrator always defended JTF, JTF and MKAdmin NEVER posted at the same time it was always 10 minutes from each other, I asked the "MK administrator" why he was defending JTF and not taking a more objective view(which a mod is supposed to have btw) and he just kept telling me "he didn't need to justify himself to me or anyone else who disagreed"

I asked him to supply proof of him "not being JTF" he told me the same shit...

And then he threatened me to "drop the Trax nonsense" or "my theory of him being JTF" along with "deleted threads, weird responces to my PMS" some of which he couldn't have possibly known unless he read my PMS.

So, I said, well until you can clear it up officially that you're not JTF because I have good reason and evidence to believe you are, I won't be coming back to this site. He didn't and just repeated himself with that "didn't have to justify himself bs" and calling "trax a psycho" so I just left, and gladly spoke of his BS on MKO. At that point he then decided to ban me, but I really didn't care because I had left already and had no intentions of coming back.

Sorry, but I don't like sites that are BS where mods can hack, read IMs and ban users for merely disagreeing with them on a topic no less that they've been proven wrong no less.

And sadly over time, he's collected "pawns" who I won't say but let's just say most if not all of them are either banned from MKO or hardly post here. They'll believe all his BS regardless out of hatred for me personally. Which I really don't give a shit but do find rather sad.

BTW, trax also at least at one point not sure if he still has them but took screen shots....I when I saved the evidence just saved the PMs.

There's your evidence, like I said it's far from speculation it's FACT. JTF has been caught with his hand in the cookie jar more then once by several people, the logical people know he's a psycho, looney. The pawns will believe anything he tells them, always have and most likely always will. The reason why are a few, they hate MKO as much as he does, they hate me, trax and others who disagree with JTF as much as he does or they're just flat out stupid. It's fine, me(among others in here) personally chose NOT to be a pawn or JTF's bitch on his site and saw thru his smoke and mirrors. Even the users that haven't "PT scanned" why the hell would everyone that has had an "odd incident" with JTF be making any of this up? Why would we? What do we to have to gain? His name is already a joke on MKO, the mods know it, we know it so nothing to gain there. We are just trying to get it thru the people that still question JTF being a lunatic, stalker, liar, psycho and someone who invades peoples PMS, bans then for disagreeing or makes 100 fake names to try to make himself and his site look better. Utterly SAD.

Personally, I really don't care anymore but I know damn well that's the reasons why people agree with him or ride on his lame jokes about MKO people. Hell, I even know a few peeps on his site that are just there for the online players but deep down know he's a lunatic but out of respect I'll keep those names to myself.



@Dave, that's fine man I just hope you think twice before making anymore PMS on his site in the future, but the choice is yours.

That's because that crowd is full of little kids who don't actually play the game competitively and if they do they are nothing but cherry picking rankwhores like himself so they wouldn't know the negative reputation he has so he could feed them his bullshit.

Trax and MKF,you guys should just squash everything that happened over on MKAC and join MKC The site is rather good,a nice shoutbox and alot of threads/posts each day.

Its easy guys just plain ignore JTF if you have that big of probs.

MKF if you posted over there half as much as over here in a dead site you would contribute alot.

You guys seriously should just give it a try and ignore JTF if you have to.

Way easy to set up games to play mka with the shoutbox as well.

OK, I uploaded the screen to my profile since you need proof. For what I dont know, but there you go.

@Booya, only way I will join JTF's clan is if I became a mod. And I will have to be able to ban people.

Good message Booya.

However, I won't be going to back MKC. I actually left long time ago before anyone realized what was going on. I knew PMs where being screened and some them being deleted before they were read by intended users. Even at the time when the Admin appeared to be an independent guy and JTF a totally different person who was just an asshole to everyone but he was really doing Admin's dirty work of starting useless fights. Admin was his alter-ego and JTF is the real character.

Now that he has made everyone believe that the Admin is his brother who so happens to now have cancer hence assuming total control, I don't think anything to do with him and that includes his site would ever interest me. So it's just my stand but I don't tell my friends to stop going to a hot club just because I decided to stop going there because I think the dude that owns it is a punk -- if you get my drift. So you may see it as my lose but in so many ways it is a gain.

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If there's one thing I would iterate, it would be what you've said about ignoring him. Anyone that thinks they can trust him is obviously badly misinformed. So 'yes', use the facility but don't try and make friends with 'tha' god.

Trax

PS: It honesty baffles me how one man would put so much effort into online war games. The tracking of posts on multiple sites, PMs, cloning, the lies, the battles with not just one, two or three online virtual people and still manage to be different personalities. How one man could wake up each morning thinking this adds value to his existence is something I can't get my head around but it is exactly what it is, a special case!

Complete waste of time Booya, but I hear ya. It's worth a shot. I tried talking to Trax about this before. Things with them and JTF will never change so we just have to let it be.

Damn that sucks MKC is so much better.

I was called a 'MKO fan boy' at one point because i liked this site so much,but after time it became dead and theres nuthing to post,shit even the loading time on MKO makes me feel like im runiing 2.00$ dial up.

Good job once again showing your ignorance...but I suppose I shouldn't be surprised....

Most people on the general forums FYI are in their 20's know it all, ohh and sure if you call "BS" the truth then yeah, call the truth whatever you want it doesn't matter, your damn right they believe it...all of MKO knows, including the mods, at least it's better then being someone's pawn full of BS and is known for being a psycho.......

I do happen to disagree with you on MKO being dead, the site isn't dead...this forum however is at times I admit, but not the site. I like posting all over the place on here, MK8, art forums submissions, general, classic, etc, etc in which I enjoy.

I've also made lots of friends on here that I have discussions with often every week, people you guys don't know since most of the online players don't post outside this forum/online forums.

There's also a java chat on here not sure if you guys know, I've used it here and there but it's public as well. It's always been here, not sure if you guys know that or not just wanted to point that out. I appreciate the invite Booya, but I've been invited before by quite a few people already on MKC....similar reasons why Atari, Trax aren't interested but the only way I'll be on there is if JTF(along with his pawns) has nothing to do with the site. I don't see that happening so if someone wishes to find me, they know where to go.

Who are his pawns exactly? I don't notice anyone else on MKC that you have beef with besides him and G-ROY.

@mkf
I would like to know who these pawns are you are referring to as well.
Really, be honest and just say what you think. I am extremely curious.

I'm guessing anyone who openly calls him out for the bitch he acts like on the boards whuch would include myself, mesofly, pighut, and others who dislike him. But the last time I checked I post here on my own free will no one tells me to post anything, therefore how could I be a pawn? Stay here MKF you will not be missed at MKC actually its a better place without the likes of you there since everyone there is a great sport and plays the game for fun rather than rankwhore and play noobs like yourself. Tell me MKF since you claim you're not feeding people the people in the other forums bullshit and your just telling the truth. Its true as you claim that you're one of the best players online??? Because that's the bullshit you frequently try to feed people. I want to know why a so called top-level player has to hide behind optimatch so much and refuse challenges from the real top-level players. Watch the typical MKF response (I don't play the game anymore, blah, blah, smiley face, blah, blah, blah, smiley face)

I wouldnt refer to JTF's clan (MKC) members as "pawns"...but I think "happy customers" would be the more fitting term here because they are willingly buying JTF's bullshit.

Everyone except you three enlightened ones.

I don't have a problem with you folks or anywhere y'all go in the binary world but could you please try and refrain from the sarcastic comments? No need for it!

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If you guys have nothing better to talk about other than knocking one another maybe everyone should just stop posting altogether instead of going round in a circle.

Now was that so hard?

In the sense of your "posts" yes, but also in the sense of blind loyalty to JTF...

This doesn't go for everyone on MKC, just the people like you there 3 smiles just for you Groy since you love them so much. No, no you pretty much cleared it up those 4 or 5 names are the only people who "hate me along with yourself obviously and JTF" but you'd be surprised how many PMs I get asking me "MKF don't worry, don't waste your time with JTF's clowns, he's brainwashed them with nonsense" etc but out of respect for those people remaining anonymous I'll keep that to myself.

That's great, I really don't care about MKC...and I'm sure MKO would be better without you too. Since you're obviously unaware though Groy, the whole site doesn't revolve around you and the other "MKF haters" on MKC and that I've gotten a few invites already from different users on here to join that site. I guess if I play noobs so do you, since your name as been up there too so yeah....just going to ignore that bs. Still going on about that "hiding bs"? sad....ohh and just in case you haven't realized MKA is DEAD now overall. Except for the people on here and some on MKC, it's dead. But I know in your mind "casual play" or people you don't like go on at different times has somehow defined that as "being afraid" but I've lost and won in MK, just like you and everyone else. Who cares?



I don't unlike you Groy feed anyone anything, just something called the truth about JTF and people like you that believe every word that comes out of his mouth like some kind of messiah.... What this guy said ^ more or less. Pretty much anyone that believes what JTF feeds them about me and others that have had a good reason for having a beef with him. You know Quest you're a cool guy in my book and surely you know I joke, am nice etc I get along with just about everyone and always try to let bygones be by gones, but when it comes to JTF and his "posse" or "groupies" or "pawns" lol whatever, it's just not happening. People like JTF, Groy, Pig etc will hate me to hate me....really no point, they're obsession with their hatred for me, trax, atari, MKO etc is rather old and ultimately lame at this point. Notice I don't visit or post on MKC to "fight with them" because I don't care that much lol.

Are you trying to imply that being the amount of people that vocally express their grievances about a JTF run MKAC are LESS than the amount of current members of MKC, his actions are somewhat justified? Or should be tolerated even? I mean thats what I am consistently getting from these type comments. Either that or how good the "candy" is.


I cant help the fact that being e-popular is so important some that they CHOOSE to "ignore" PROVEN FACTS, not opinions, about MKAC and JTF. So to me, your theory doesnt apply. I am not the type to just go along with the masses without a just cause, even when I am day trading. And especially for candy coated horse shit.


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