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mkflegend Wrote:
Ok, fair enough. I'm going to bed now though since I'm really tired and had a very stressful day so keep an eye out tomorrow I'll post/copy and paste which post exactly since I admit I've made a lot in here
Ok, fair enough. I'm going to bed now though since I'm really tired and had a very stressful day so keep an eye out tomorrow I'll post/copy and paste which post exactly since I admit I've made a lot in here
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@ Atari, that's true but there are some things left out such as JTF or should i say the MKAC admin asked me to "stay" and not give into Trax's 'lies' or else I wouldn't be "welcomed back to his site" I simply asked him a few questions, simple ones really such as why he's always defended JTF and not see my point at all? Most mods on sites take an objective outlook or are supposed to anyway....this guy didn't
Secondly, I asked him if Trax is "crazy" or a liar then why did you immediately delete his thread with the scanned images of his claim that JTF is the MKAC admin and that you're trying to con everyone here? He just kept telling me "listen MKF, I don't have to justify myself to you or anyone else" just drop it and realize that Trax is a sad person blah, blah....
Me, being actually objective and suspicious of JTF/MKAC admi dodging or sidestepping my very easy questions, I've come to realize this guy sounds "shady" to me...something didn't make sense.
But yeah atari, pretty much I told him well then until you answer my questions I'm NOT coming back to this site, he said ok so be it and I don't have to justify myself to you or anyone else...and that was that, then I took it upon myself to find out everything I could on MKO since JTF used to be a member here from the MKO mods, PAL users, Trax and anyone else who had 'stories" concerning JTF, they all told me stay away from him, he's a lunatic...At that point I posted my proof on here, and believed Trax, tgrant, PAL users, MKO mods etc since everything made sense while JTF had failed to prove his case otherwise....
At that point, once JTF/MKAC found out I was talking shit about him and his site, I had tarnished it and his name even more. Then he banned my account(like I cared at this point) decided to make a "HATE MKF thread" to try to cover up his tarnished name and try countering by tarnishing mine, trax etc and more and more people started to catch on. Trax and I were just the beginning, as you can see that list grew and more people...well certain people became suspious of JTF's antics and realized the truth about him and what he does to people he doesn't like or disagrees with...
Atari, as you've seen he pulled that incident with your account.....as soon as you posted that I wasn't surprised, you're a smart guy you can figure out when someones "doing something shady" to you as Trax , I and others have...
Now, this Check thing makes sense from what Check was saying and not for nothing. I understand some people here don't like Check, but I'll take his word over JTF's any day just note.
@Chaos, well what I just typed you can check out plus here's my original post dude. I'll continue to search for the actual "scans" that Trax and I had, discussed. If I still have them, assuming so and I didn't delete them I'll have to post them onto photobucket and link them to you since scans aren't allowed on MKO.
Secondly, I asked him if Trax is "crazy" or a liar then why did you immediately delete his thread with the scanned images of his claim that JTF is the MKAC admin and that you're trying to con everyone here? He just kept telling me "listen MKF, I don't have to justify myself to you or anyone else" just drop it and realize that Trax is a sad person blah, blah....
Me, being actually objective and suspicious of JTF/MKAC admi dodging or sidestepping my very easy questions, I've come to realize this guy sounds "shady" to me...something didn't make sense.
But yeah atari, pretty much I told him well then until you answer my questions I'm NOT coming back to this site, he said ok so be it and I don't have to justify myself to you or anyone else...and that was that, then I took it upon myself to find out everything I could on MKO since JTF used to be a member here from the MKO mods, PAL users, Trax and anyone else who had 'stories" concerning JTF, they all told me stay away from him, he's a lunatic...At that point I posted my proof on here, and believed Trax, tgrant, PAL users, MKO mods etc since everything made sense while JTF had failed to prove his case otherwise....
At that point, once JTF/MKAC found out I was talking shit about him and his site, I had tarnished it and his name even more. Then he banned my account(like I cared at this point) decided to make a "HATE MKF thread" to try to cover up his tarnished name and try countering by tarnishing mine, trax etc and more and more people started to catch on. Trax and I were just the beginning, as you can see that list grew and more people...well certain people became suspious of JTF's antics and realized the truth about him and what he does to people he doesn't like or disagrees with...
Atari, as you've seen he pulled that incident with your account.....as soon as you posted that I wasn't surprised, you're a smart guy you can figure out when someones "doing something shady" to you as Trax , I and others have...
Now, this Check thing makes sense from what Check was saying and not for nothing. I understand some people here don't like Check, but I'll take his word over JTF's any day just note.
@Chaos, well what I just typed you can check out plus here's my original post dude. I'll continue to search for the actual "scans" that Trax and I had, discussed. If I still have them, assuming so and I didn't delete them I'll have to post them onto photobucket and link them to you since scans aren't allowed on MKO.
mkflegend Wrote:
If you don't wish to take the word of some people I've listed, that's your choice/problem but none the less doesn't take away from the fact that JTF has had some major issues with those people I listed. And evidence is evidence.
It's not speculation, it's fact. There's been several posts on here made by different people concerning "read PMs' which defeats the purpose of "Private message", deleted threads that showed proof or good points countering JTF's nonsense like say some I've made on his site way back, Trax's thread that "magically disappeared", JTF denying the fact that he was the MK administrator when in reality he umm is...now I heard he admitted it or others finally saw thru his "smoke and mirrors" while some apparently are still very much in denial. Now whether that's because of pure loyalty to JTF or because they happen to like his site, doesn't really matter to me. Either way, it's blinding certain people to JTF's "questionable actions" concerning all of those names I listed. Obviously when "threads magically disappear" someone is trying to cover something up? yes, yes otherwise why not just close the thread like MKO and other MK sites do? hmmm.
Atari, he's posted lots of proof already. In fact I STILL might have the proof that Trax and I discussed a while back via my email. If I can find it, I'll post it but seriously though Chaos there's been tons of proof, fact and different users on here some of which are mods(now I know you guys over on MKAC hate the MKO mods) but at least they're not liars or pull shady nonsense like the owner of MKC.
Mav, although I never saw eye to eye with this guy on much he was right in the respect of JTF's madness....
M2dave, posted that other thread but even though he said it's not "resolved" I'm guessing he likes posting on there, which is fine that still doesn't take away from the fact that apparently his PM was also hacked into by JTF....
And as for me, well I've must have repeated myself 1 million times now but to make it short. My threads, posts were also deleted on his site at the time MKAC, my PMs read, the MK administrator always defended JTF, JTF and MKAdmin NEVER posted at the same time it was always 10 minutes from each other, I asked the "MK administrator" why he was defending JTF and not taking a more objective view(which a mod is supposed to have btw) and he just kept telling me "he didn't need to justify himself to me or anyone else who disagreed"
I asked him to supply proof of him "not being JTF" he told me the same shit...
And then he threatened me to "drop the Trax nonsense" or "my theory of him being JTF" along with "deleted threads, weird responces to my PMS" some of which he couldn't have possibly known unless he read my PMS.
So, I said, well until you can clear it up officially that you're not JTF because I have good reason and evidence to believe you are, I won't be coming back to this site. He didn't and just repeated himself with that "didn't have to justify himself bs" and calling "trax a psycho" so I just left, and gladly spoke of his BS on MKO. At that point he then decided to ban me, but I really didn't care because I had left already and had no intentions of coming back.
Sorry, but I don't like sites that are BS where mods can hack, read IMs and ban users for merely disagreeing with them on a topic no less that they've been proven wrong no less.
And sadly over time, he's collected "pawns" who I won't say but let's just say most if not all of them are either banned from MKO or hardly post here. They'll believe all his BS regardless out of hatred for me personally. Which I really don't give a shit but do find rather sad.
BTW, trax also at least at one point not sure if he still has them but took screen shots....I when I saved the evidence just saved the PMs.
There's your evidence, like I said it's far from speculation it's FACT. JTF has been caught with his hand in the cookie jar more then once by several people, the logical people know he's a psycho, looney. The pawns will believe anything he tells them, always have and most likely always will. The reason why are a few, they hate MKO as much as he does, they hate me, trax and others who disagree with JTF as much as he does or they're just flat out stupid. It's fine, me(among others in here) personally chose NOT to be a pawn or JTF's bitch on his site and saw thru his smoke and mirrors. Even the users that haven't "PT scanned" why the hell would everyone that has had an "odd incident" with JTF be making any of this up? Why would we? What do we to have to gain? His name is already a joke on MKO, the mods know it, we know it so nothing to gain there. We are just trying to get it thru the people that still question JTF being a lunatic, stalker, liar, psycho and someone who invades peoples PMS, bans then for disagreeing or makes 100 fake names to try to make himself and his site look better. Utterly SAD.
Personally, I really don't care anymore but I know damn well that's the reasons why people agree with him or ride on his lame jokes about MKO people. Hell, I even know a few peeps on his site that are just there for the online players but deep down know he's a lunatic but out of respect I'll keep those names to myself.
ChaosTheory Wrote:
I understand. But once again, you're giving me people's speculations. And forgive me, but I'm not taking the word of some of the people you listed.
-I've seen vids of some of these PAL players. Nothing to convince me that they are credible.
-Check got shit on at MKAC by EVERYONE (some of whom WERE his friends) because of his own actions. But he'll never acknowledge or admit any fault. Instead he twists truths, exaggerates in his favor, and makes EVERYONE ELSE out to be the bad guy. I surely would treat his word as special.
-V1ll... who is V1ll?
As for the rest... you all have your problems with him. Noted. I understand where all of you are coming from as well. But nonetheless, it's still JUST speculation.
Never once have I called any of you guys liars. I believe that you believe what you say. Fine. But that doesn't change the fact that nothing has been provided to me (or other users) aside from speculation and hearsay.
It's because of that, that I get so frustrated with the comments made by you guys about other users. You condemn (for lack of a better word) people because they don't see things through your eyes. I don't think it's right.
Just show me a PM or a link or something. If not... if this is all we have to go by, you shouldn't blame anybody for not treating your word like stone. Remember... people are enjoying that site more than they did this one and none of these allegations have ever happened to or affected their experiences. Realize where they're coming from.
mkflegend Wrote:
Ha, Ha Trax that was funny. : )
As for proof Chaos, well I'd say just ask the following people about JTF: PAL euro server of players that Trax knows, trgrant, MKDAN, Trax, MKF30, Mav, Dave, Atari, Check, V1ll , MKO mods that had to ban JTF countless times, among others I'm sure....but hey what do those people know right? All those people vs. JTF, hmmmm yeah...I can see how JTF is so right. Everyone else must be "crazy" even though there's been actual proof of PM's, threads removed, bans for no reason and other "odd elements" taken place on his site
ChaosTheory Wrote:
Is that the best we got? The only three of you here are going to gang up and avoid?
No smart-ass here. Just provide. Don't speculate.
GTrax Wrote:
Provide evidence for that statement, MKF.
I need proofs!
mkflegend Wrote:
The denial in this thread is rather amusing...
The denial in this thread is rather amusing...
Provide evidence for that statement, MKF.
I need proofs!
Is that the best we got? The only three of you here are going to gang up and avoid?
No smart-ass here. Just provide. Don't speculate.
Ha, Ha Trax that was funny. : )
As for proof Chaos, well I'd say just ask the following people about JTF: PAL euro server of players that Trax knows, trgrant, MKDAN, Trax, MKF30, Mav, Dave, Atari, Check, V1ll , MKO mods that had to ban JTF countless times, among others I'm sure....but hey what do those people know right? All those people vs. JTF, hmmmm yeah...I can see how JTF is so right. Everyone else must be "crazy" even though there's been actual proof of PM's, threads removed, bans for no reason and other "odd elements" taken place on his site
I understand. But once again, you're giving me people's speculations. And forgive me, but I'm not taking the word of some of the people you listed.
-I've seen vids of some of these PAL players. Nothing to convince me that they are credible.
-Check got shit on at MKAC by EVERYONE (some of whom WERE his friends) because of his own actions. But he'll never acknowledge or admit any fault. Instead he twists truths, exaggerates in his favor, and makes EVERYONE ELSE out to be the bad guy. I surely would treat his word as special.
-V1ll... who is V1ll?
As for the rest... you all have your problems with him. Noted. I understand where all of you are coming from as well. But nonetheless, it's still JUST speculation.
Never once have I called any of you guys liars. I believe that you believe what you say. Fine. But that doesn't change the fact that nothing has been provided to me (or other users) aside from speculation and hearsay.
It's because of that, that I get so frustrated with the comments made by you guys about other users. You condemn (for lack of a better word) people because they don't see things through your eyes. I don't think it's right.
Just show me a PM or a link or something. If not... if this is all we have to go by, you shouldn't blame anybody for not treating your word like stone. Remember... people are enjoying that site more than they did this one and none of these allegations have ever happened to or affected their experiences. Realize where they're coming from.
If you don't wish to take the word of some people I've listed, that's your choice/problem but none the less doesn't take away from the fact that JTF has had some major issues with those people I listed. And evidence is evidence.
It's not speculation, it's fact. There's been several posts on here made by different people concerning "read PMs' which defeats the purpose of "Private message", deleted threads that showed proof or good points countering JTF's nonsense like say some I've made on his site way back, Trax's thread that "magically disappeared", JTF denying the fact that he was the MK administrator when in reality he umm is...now I heard he admitted it or others finally saw thru his "smoke and mirrors" while some apparently are still very much in denial. Now whether that's because of pure loyalty to JTF or because they happen to like his site, doesn't really matter to me. Either way, it's blinding certain people to JTF's "questionable actions" concerning all of those names I listed. Obviously when "threads magically disappear" someone is trying to cover something up? yes, yes otherwise why not just close the thread like MKO and other MK sites do? hmmm.
Atari, he's posted lots of proof already. In fact I STILL might have the proof that Trax and I discussed a while back via my email. If I can find it, I'll post it but seriously though Chaos there's been tons of proof, fact and different users on here some of which are mods(now I know you guys over on MKAC hate the MKO mods) but at least they're not liars or pull shady nonsense like the owner of MKC.
Mav, although I never saw eye to eye with this guy on much he was right in the respect of JTF's madness....
M2dave, posted that other thread but even though he said it's not "resolved" I'm guessing he likes posting on there, which is fine that still doesn't take away from the fact that apparently his PM was also hacked into by JTF....
And as for me, well I've must have repeated myself 1 million times now but to make it short. My threads, posts were also deleted on his site at the time MKAC, my PMs read, the MK administrator always defended JTF, JTF and MKAdmin NEVER posted at the same time it was always 10 minutes from each other, I asked the "MK administrator" why he was defending JTF and not taking a more objective view(which a mod is supposed to have btw) and he just kept telling me "he didn't need to justify himself to me or anyone else who disagreed"
I asked him to supply proof of him "not being JTF" he told me the same shit...
And then he threatened me to "drop the Trax nonsense" or "my theory of him being JTF" along with "deleted threads, weird responces to my PMS" some of which he couldn't have possibly known unless he read my PMS.
So, I said, well until you can clear it up officially that you're not JTF because I have good reason and evidence to believe you are, I won't be coming back to this site. He didn't and just repeated himself with that "didn't have to justify himself bs" and calling "trax a psycho" so I just left, and gladly spoke of his BS on MKO. At that point he then decided to ban me, but I really didn't care because I had left already and had no intentions of coming back.
Sorry, but I don't like sites that are BS where mods can hack, read IMs and ban users for merely disagreeing with them on a topic no less that they've been proven wrong no less.
And sadly over time, he's collected "pawns" who I won't say but let's just say most if not all of them are either banned from MKO or hardly post here. They'll believe all his BS regardless out of hatred for me personally. Which I really don't give a shit but do find rather sad.
BTW, trax also at least at one point not sure if he still has them but took screen shots....I when I saved the evidence just saved the PMs.
There's your evidence, like I said it's far from speculation it's FACT. JTF has been caught with his hand in the cookie jar more then once by several people, the logical people know he's a psycho, looney. The pawns will believe anything he tells them, always have and most likely always will. The reason why are a few, they hate MKO as much as he does, they hate me, trax and others who disagree with JTF as much as he does or they're just flat out stupid. It's fine, me(among others in here) personally chose NOT to be a pawn or JTF's bitch on his site and saw thru his smoke and mirrors. Even the users that haven't "PT scanned" why the hell would everyone that has had an "odd incident" with JTF be making any of this up? Why would we? What do we to have to gain? His name is already a joke on MKO, the mods know it, we know it so nothing to gain there. We are just trying to get it thru the people that still question JTF being a lunatic, stalker, liar, psycho and someone who invades peoples PMS, bans then for disagreeing or makes 100 fake names to try to make himself and his site look better. Utterly SAD.
Personally, I really don't care anymore but I know damn well that's the reasons why people agree with him or ride on his lame jokes about MKO people. Hell, I even know a few peeps on his site that are just there for the online players but deep down know he's a lunatic but out of respect I'll keep those names to myself.
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Quest2be1 Wrote:
I am not asking for proof or for clarification. It is what it is and it will not change. I have tried to be the diplomat for MKC and MKO but it just didn't work out. I realized once people had their mind set on something that was not going to change. This argument wont change. I think we should just quit talking about it and leave it alone altogether.
I am not asking for proof or for clarification. It is what it is and it will not change. I have tried to be the diplomat for MKC and MKO but it just didn't work out. I realized once people had their mind set on something that was not going to change. This argument wont change. I think we should just quit talking about it and leave it alone altogether.
I agree with you.
The point of me asking for "proof" has now happened. Atari just gave me a huge post of the same thing I've been trying to get around.
---Something (A) happened and something (B) happened. Therefore, something (A) happened BECAUSE of something (B).---
That's actually about as far as I expected to get as far as "proof." I understand they hate JTF and believe what they say and all... but my point is that, given what we're given, they shouldn't get mad that people don't treat their words as law.
That's all.
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Atari what you pointed out is not going to hold up as a fact to anybody. You can't prove motives... that's my point. And besides that, some of your claims seem off.
For example... you think "everyone" at MKC thinks you're a quitting scrub...
First off, you WERE on quitting a lot against people from the boards. You did it to me like 3 series in a row (and I think 4 out of 5). So I just stopped playing you. Eazy also let it be known that you consistently were quitting on him, too. And I don't remember who all else, but there were several players.
It has nothing to do with MKD. In fact, in my eyes... it just seems worse when you look at MKD. I've already beat that to death. Anyway... it doesn't make a difference that you admit you do it. Maybe if you did it once, twice, or even 5 or so times, it would be different. But you know you didn't do that.
The "everybody" that might think of you as a labeled quitter are probably the guys who experienced it first hand or they're guys who know all of the guys posting these experiences about you to be respectable and generally truthful people.
But you honestly act like JTF has enough power to do that all by himself. Fuck that. I think you're a quitter because YOU showed me first hand that you're a quitter.
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I'm not going to respond or discuss this anymore. What's the point. Any and everything that happens will just be blamed on JTF since nobody else is more than a manipulated drone.
It's like being accused of being an alcoholic when you're not...
PERSON A: "You need help with your drinking problem."
PERSON B: "....Huh? ....but...???.... I rarely ever drink alco....?"
PERSON A: (interrupting) "OHH!!! Denial: first sign!"
Well how the fuck can I win that argument? Ever. That's what it's like here.
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Quest2be1 Wrote:
I am Lutheran and it is something I truly believe in. I would like to lead a war, this war if I could. I am tired of Americans backing down lately and saying Global Warming etc. For real, I don't feel like giving a good rant right now but I will. I have firm thoughts and beliefs on this. I am far from arrogant but I can believe and I will do what needs to be done.
We have religion.
We made politics based on religion.
I hate how Jerusalem/Israel is the HOLY LAND, yet I find it so ironic that people have been fighting since the crusades since day one. In the end I think we will all die. Not by global warming or a natural disaster but something we do.
I am Lutheran and it is something I truly believe in. I would like to lead a war, this war if I could. I am tired of Americans backing down lately and saying Global Warming etc. For real, I don't feel like giving a good rant right now but I will. I have firm thoughts and beliefs on this. I am far from arrogant but I can believe and I will do what needs to be done.
We have religion.
We made politics based on religion.
I hate how Jerusalem/Israel is the HOLY LAND, yet I find it so ironic that people have been fighting since the crusades since day one. In the end I think we will all die. Not by global warming or a natural disaster but something we do.
I agree with your GW statement, to me it's BS(I know it's real but it's something that takes literally YEARS to happen) yet people like Gore act as if "tomorrow the world ends because of Global Warming" ........lol
There's just a lot more important topics currently to worry about IMO as oppose to GW....
@ Stretch, hey what's up man? How are ya?
Have you seen the new pics for MK vs. DC dude? Games looks insanely gorgeous!
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