Well, my ideas for improving MK6 over MK:DA would be...

1. Take more time with the new characters.
Midway did a good job making good new characters in my opinion... It's just the really dropped the ball on how they affect the storyline. They really could have done so much more with them, more specifically Li Mei. I love her to death and she's my favorite character in MK:DA but her story and ending are just dumb. Also a lot of the new characters don't have the same charisma that the older characters have.

2. More conservative looking characters.
I've always hated Midway's super heroish spandex wearing character designs... They just seem too hokey. Some more traditional fighters or fighters that wear normal clothing would be cool.

3. Improve the fatalities.
This one is a no brainer. But rather than the usual over the top kind of fatalities I'd stick to more realistic and brutal fatalties...

4. GIVE EACH CHARACTER THEIR OWN VOICE!
I never want to have to hear two characters with the same voice again... Granted there are a few different voices but they are still generic. If I'm not mistaken, only Jax has an original voice.

5. Get rid of some of the old characters.
Most of the characters are just getting stale. Jax, Johnny Cage, Rayden, Kitana, etc. are getting boring... Why not bring back older forgotten characters? Milleena would be cool, or how about Kai?

6. Go easy on the fighting styles.
Each character doesn't need two hand to hand styles... Instead of two styles that have just a few moves each why not just have one style with a more elaborate move list? Keep the weapon stances, but balance them better.

7. Do better with the damage.
The face getting cut and bruised is a good idea but it needs to be elaborated upon. Have it be like full body wear and tear like in Tao Feng.

i agree about combining the 2 non weapon styles. There is probably enough simple button combinations to fit almost all the distinct moves of the 2 styles into 1.

air throws!

remember that, pressing block in the air with an opponent. sweet

cut scenes and animated endings.


i loved mk4 endings and i hate mkda endings. cut scenes would be real tight with some dialogue that shows character's rivalries and emotions. and also like someone said earlier, everyone would have their own voice.

i also liked mr. satan's ideas about weapon upgrades.

Gameplay:

* A "Classic Mode". This would just turn off all combos. And increase the damage done by basic and special moves to compensate and speed up the match. So it would force you into an MK2 type of combat. I actually suggest this not because I want it, but because so many fighting game newbies would love it. I constantly hear them whine about combos being unfair, this would shut them up.

* Bring "Maximum Damage" from MK4 back. It just balances out the gameplay and makes it less cheap.

* Make Impales drain about 1/2 as much life as they currently do. I love Impales, but they are a little cheap. This would make them more fair.

* Consolidate the attack buttons. Cut the attack buttons down to 3, getting rid of the redundant moves and dead space. Now there room for the stance change button on the face of a 4 face button controller, making combos much easier. And making general gameplay more functional.

* Bring back the analog stick. And make the special moves and fatalities analog stick friendly as well, see Killer Instinct moves as a prime example. Let's finally get MK off the damn d-pad.

* Make the trigger buttons more user friendly for the GameCube and XBox versions. Instead of making them activate when press all the way down, make them work when barely pressed. This will saves many o lives, especially with the block button.

Fatalities:

* First person perspective fatalities. It would show the fatality from the eyes of the person performing or receiving it.

* I would also like to see something like Brutalities, but much easier to perform. Maybe just make them like 5 buttons to perform.

damn dude, u almost posted as much as me. but u said the same thing all 3 times. i dont find anything wrong with the d-pad. the only thing wrong with the controls i see is that L2 isnt used and i think we can have the RUN command rite there!

I would like to see(and idea's of mine):

- a non-playable boss(unlockable, later on)
- time release characters
- more moves for the three fighting arts for each character
- scream's, facial movement
- Reptile as a ninja...(alternative costume)
- Smoke as a secret player
- better joggle combo system
- no invisible border
- 15 to 20 playable and unlockable characters
- not to many characters, keep it simple
- Shang Tsung as the last boss
- make him hard to beat
- blood stained hands eg. punching someone, impaling etc...
- 3 to 4 costumes per each character
- 2 to 4 fatalities for each character, excluding sub-boss/boss and stage fatalities
- Liu Kang as a enemy(secret player)
- Shang Tsung manipulates him while captivating his soul... or something like that
- Quan Chi's soul belongs to Shang now, this makes Scorpion come back and take Quan Chi's soul back to hell
- Mavado is betrayed by Shang and Kano(Mavado allied with Quan, not Shang) Mavado finds a new allie, former leader of the Lin Keui
- They make a deal with each other, Mavado will be assisted in getting revenge and the former master of the Lin Keui to get his throne back from Sub-Zero
- Liu Kang's soul was manipulated in believing Shang had a higher purpose, Shang also wanted to manipulate the soul of the "Legendary Kung Lao". He fail's
- Kung Lao's soul tricks Shang in believing he is on his side and lets him go, he then flee's and finds santuary in his new body, the new Kung Lao
- Smokes return(explanation if he were dead): Smoke wonders hell and comes across the former god of hell. Believed to be killed by Shinnok, he is actually mortally wounded and needs a power source to aid him in his comeback. The "Devil" makes a deal with Smoke, he would give Smoke his humanity back as well as his human form on Earth IF... he kill Sub-Zero and gets the "Dragon Amulet" to restore the "Devils" youth and power.
- Smoke agree's, he will kill Sub-Zero...
- The ruler of hell now is the "Devils"
brother, a demon named Plague. The "Devil" wishes to get the amulet and retain his throne by killing Plague; he is to weak at this point
- (Plot & Story)

Knowing that Liu Kang is on Shang Tsung's side, making a formidable duo, the heroes of Mortal Kombat return. Shang Tsung want's the amulet Quan Chi used in opening portals, he does not have it despite killing him. Raiden makes a deal with Shang, a tournament which will end this war once in for all, the best of Earth's forces against the best of Outworld's army. If Raiden wins, he will get Liu's soul as well as every other man/woman's soul he has stolen. Raiden will also close the portal to Outworld indefinitely erasing any contact between the two. If Shang wins... he will get the amulet and control the army of the "Dragon King", taking over Earth. The Catch is, Raiden lied, he has no idea where the amulet is. If Earth does not win this tournament then Raiden's betrayal will be shown. He would then lose his godlike powers(oath of a god???) and nothing will be in the way of Shang Tsung from destroying Earth.
... Kano has the amulet yet he still tries to play as the right hand man of Shang, his motives are unknown.(Kano's ending in MK:DA)

These are some idea's I thought of. It be really cool if Shang was the final boss and Smoke ACTUALLY did return! MK:DA was a great game despite the disappointments it had. MK:DA was possibly the best MK up-to-date. I hope the plot of MK6 will be filled with twist and shocking events. Even though the writers of the MK series are extremely talented, they should get someone like Todd Mcfarlane or the guy who writes the "Sam & Twitch" comics or the "HellSpawn" comics. Both those series have awesome climax's

1. better coloring and blending, fighter against the background in shang tsung's palace is awful, heck, some of the coloring of the characters themselves is off

2. better looking costums, Raidens and shang tsung costumes are ugly and looks like they have on too much clothing to fight anyhow. Whats with raiden and cape?

3. Don't degrade the look of the game like what happened between mk2 and mk3, they even made the characters smaller in mk3, I notice all details

4. the game will have to have a more realistic look in order to give the fatalities a devastating effect like they did in mk2

they need to bring all the ninjas back in the game. ppl complain about there being too many ninjas, but hey as long as there are much more characters that are not. ANyway. The story line in D.A kicked ass and Mk6 needs to continue from the stroys of D.A.

what ever happened to?
reiko,Tanya (like anyone cares), stryker, knightwolf, kabal, rain, ermac


i would also love to see the return of shau kauhn cuz i heard that he is still alive. And, I would leave shinnok out of MK cuz he wasn't really a popular bad guy. Shau kauhn needs to stay ruler.

same fighting style but more combos and improved fighting skills like defence.

about 5 to 6 new characters and originals characters including- scorpion, raiden, both subzeros, shang tshung, quanchi, reptile (ninja form and reptile form), noob saibot, rain, kage, baraka, cyrax, kitana, smoke (human), jax, millena, sektor, jade, kung lou, knight wolf, stryker, kai,jax, sonya, and some others i cant tink of.

ONLINE PLAY will be on mk6 cuz ed boon said in an article on this website.
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now i cant think of anything else

by thee way, sorry suit but your idea of demons takeing over as bad guys rlly suck.

i htink i have some good story ideas.

shau kahn comes back and decides to spare the lives of quan chi and shang tshung because he needs them. And they think of some kinda evil plan.

Dont know what should happen with shinnock. I think he should just stay put trapped in hell or wherever he is.

scorpion- same goal trying to kill quanchi
dosent know that there is a soul survivor of the killing of his family. His living brother sphere who was spared by quanchi to make him evil and join quanchi and his allys. sphere is living and does not know scorpion cuz he was a baby when scorpion was killed. Scorpion does not remember him and knowone else knows of him besides quanchi and his allys. Quan chi must make sure shpere and scorpion dont meet just incase shpere will become enemys with quanchi.

lue kang is revived by the request of raiden to the elder gods.

i like your idea with smoke SUIT. But i think subzero should not die.

baraka- once shau kahn comes back, he revives baraka



the good guys-
both subzeros
raiden
johnny kage
cyrax
sonya
jax
lue kang
kung laou
knigfhtwolf
stryker
kabal
(all the good guys from DEADLY ALLIANCE)
smoke
all other goodguys

neutral- scorpion

bad guys-
shau kahn
quan chi
shangtshung
shinnok (maybe)
jade
ermac
rain (maybe)
all bad guys from DEADLY ALLIANCE
maleena
baraka
kano
sheeva
sindel
reptile
sektor
noob
all other badguys


i cnat think of anything else !!!!!!!!!1

All I want is for them to improve over the shitty god-awful, shallow gameplay in MK:DA. Give me a free combo system, add dashes for characters. Get rid of the block button that just slows the gameplay down a great deal.

Work towards a balanced, fast moving fighter that is remotly respectable. The style switches were nice but I would like to see the combo system more geared towards choice and not coombos set up already. A set of auto combos is nice but I don't want to see the whole game done with auto combos.

Get rid of implaes and tone down reversals.

Fix the gameplay first and then work on the extras later.

I don't know where your got the idea of Demon's taking other. I said a Demon named "Plague", brother to Lucifer should be involved in a way since Hell is such a big factor in MK. I just said "Plague", a new character I made up should be the ruler of hell since in the real storyline, The "Devil" was officially killed by Shinnok. As for Sub-Zero being killed, I never really said he dies. This is a short summary of it:

Smoke makes a deal with the dying "Prince of Darkness". If Smoke fetches the "Dragon Amulet" for the "Devil", Smoke will have everything back and would be able to keep his humanity. When Smoke agree's his body changes back to its original form(human form).

This is where I left off, I'll continue from here...

Smoke is confused and scared, he doesn't know what to do. He can either kill Sub-Zero and get the "Dragon Amulet" or he can lose everything he wanted, again... plus his soul for disobeying.

In my own storyline, Shang Tsung is the supreme ruler. He killed Quan Chi and now own's his soul.

Here are why some characters are back:

Scorpion - he didn't have a chance to kill Quan Chi and still thirst for revenge. he finds out Shang Tsung has Quan Chi's soul, Scorpion enters the tournament to take what's rightfully his.

Sub-Zero - Sub-Zero is asked by lord Raiden to lead the Earth heroes for he has the greatest strength and a army or loyal foot soldiers who would die on his command.

Reptile - Roaming the outworld with his new found powers, he thinks of himself as the King of his people. But being a soul survivor of a extinct race he is outraged by the memories of betrayal of his former masters; Shang Tsung, Quan Chi, Shao Khan and Shinnok. He want's redemption for the crimes he commited while being a petty lacky for the Emperor. He goes out to kill the one who started it all, Shang Tsung...

Smoke - Already told

Johnny Cage - Retiring from the movie industry to start a new life, Johnny Cage is called upon by Raiden. Johnny Cage had no intention of entering another MK tournament because he has a new love which he would like to grow old with, but... Raiden tell's J.C. that Liu Kang's soul is not resting in peace. It is actually being controlled and manipulated by Shang Tsung. Outraged and furious, J.C. packs his bag's and sets out to Outworld.

Mavado - Allied only to Quan and not Shang, he was shot down by any means of support. Mavado's "Red Dragon Clan" was brutalized. Only a handfull of survivors were left. He is now facing threats by both sides, the Lin Quei and the Dark forces of Outworld, Mavado feels outnumbered. Mavado then encounters a man who has also been betrayed by his own allies. He is the former master of the Lin Quei.

I'll do some more when Im not tired...

More character storylines(My own):

Liu Kang: Liu Kang is actually not mind controlled in anyway, Shang Tsung also did not have to manipulate him. Liu Kang while in Shang's body started to understand the path of which Shang is taking. The World is a sick place and Liu Kang was saving the people of Earth from what they really deserved... death. Liu Kang disgusted by his past actions, pledges alligance to Shang Tsung and promises nothing short of victory.

Raiden: The deadly alliance fell apart by itself when Shang Tsung killed Quan Chi(Quan Chi was planning to do the same with Shang). Shang had no real use of Quan after he opened the portals to other realms to consume more souls so he killed him. Raiden found out that one of the portals opened into Earthrealm. All the people who've died on Earth were now being sucked into Shang's body. As protector of Earth and its people he will "do whatever blah blah blah"...

Kung Lao: Kung lao's ancient ancestor the true "Kung Lao" is now flowing in his body. With two entities inside of him, one being himself, he has gained wisdom and power. Kung Lao(Ancestor) now seek's revenge upon Shang Tsung for everything he has done to both Kung Lao(Present) and Kung Lao(Past). Kung Lao's(Past) soul was released by Shang when he trick Shang in believing he had the same feelings as Liu Kang. Kung Lao was then released and went through the Earthrealm portal where he met the present Kung Lao...

Mileena: Kitana died by the hands of Reptile. Reptile went mad when he started to understand he was a pawn in a war of insane warlords, he realised he wasn't going to get what he wanted. When Mileena found out that Kitana had died, she insisted that she assist Scorpion in his mission in obtaining Quan Chi's soul. Mileena just needed a reason to escape Hell so she can steal the throne which belonged to Kitana, she has become like Scorpion; a Ninja Spectre bent on revenge.

Plague(New Character): The new ruler of Hell. Plague is outraged that Shang Tsung has opened a portal into his realm and sucking it dry. All the damned soul's that roamed there were now gone. Plague the god of hell now enters the tournament to take back everything that was stolen from him. he also plan's to drag Shang Tsung back to hell and torture him forever.



I made a couple of drawings of character who fit the MK world. I'll be getting a scanner soon and show them to you. Writing down a story for a character you don't even know or what he/she looks like is kind of pointless.

colguile Wrote: All I want is for them to improve over the shitty god-awful, shallow gameplay in MK:DA. Give me a free combo system, add dashes for characters. Get rid of the block button that just slows the gameplay down a great deal. Work towards a balanced, fast moving fighter that is remotly respectable. The style switches were nice but I would like to see the combo system more geared towards choice and not coombos set up already. A set of auto combos is nice but I don't want to see the whole game done with auto combos. Get rid of implaes and tone down reversals. Fix the gameplay first and then work on the extras later.

Well, I wouldn't exactly call the gameplay in MK:DA shallow, but I do agree with you when you said that they should fix the gameplay first then add the extras later. I think they shouldn't have every character have 2 hand to hand styles and 1 weapon style, but instead have variations per character. Some characters should have hand to hand styles and weapon attacks while other characters are different. I actually liked the impaling and I hope they bring that back plus more for MK6, but I hope they will allow the player to remove the weapon if they are impaled and use it against their opponent.

colguile sounds like he wants Tekken. Question: Why not just go buy Tekken?

Nah, MKDA gameplay is on the right track. I don't want to see MK clone some other fighter, I like the fresh approach.

The only thing about the gameplay I don't like is that it's a little stiff. I'd like to see a little polish around the edges to make fighters feel a little smoother. More like Sonya. She has a great combat flow.

CHARACTERS! And lots of em'.

Bring back all the old characters. Including the weird ones like Kamelion, Motaro, Kintaro, Goro, Noob Sabat, ect. And then lots of new ones!

And definatly have more Fatalities. I think we all cried when Sub-Zero didn't do anything Ice-related for his Fatality. (But atleast they did have the classic skeleton-removal).

Also, Have Mini-games. Like Trilogy had "Pong."

Oh yeah... and Stage Fatalities! You don't know how many times I wanted to toss Bo'Ri'Cho into the Acid Bath!

Tekken is not my style. If they were to take MK3 elements and input them in DA that would be fine. The game has slow folw due to poor gameplay elements. What they did add was amazing but they need to expend on it and make it more technical and round out the edges. MK:DA has the nest up-down game of any fighter I have ever played though.

As far as the side steps and things along those lines are concerned they are OK. Just a furthuring in tweeking and they will be done.

The tatical rolls were great along with the rolls off walls. The "Push" was also a great gameplay element added. I'm not sayign they did a bad job. They did a great job. But as most who bought this game found it did not hold attention long enough due to lack of a serious technical game. And that's a majority of those whom bought it.

Basic changes like removing the block button would speed up gameplay a great deal. Also, a counter movement along the lines of a 'push' or improved 'push' while your opponent is in mid combo would also improve the gameplay a great deal.

They are just opinions and I woud not like to see MK go the ways of other fighters, but I would at least like it to be respected in tourny fighting in the worlds eyes. most MKs are not even seen as serious fighters.

one thing MK has always done however is bring innovation to each and every game they come out with. I am sure we can expect the same for MK6. Innovation that will surpass even the expectations of you or I.

I would actually like for them to keep the block button but instead make it more innovative. For example, combining Block and attack 1 could do an evasion move while combining Block and attack 2 could do a high block move and so forth. Of course I would like to see blocking variations for each different fighting style in terms of animations and functions.

to add on to the "Kreate a Kombatant" mode:

i think u should be able to create a fighter from skratch, but u should also be able to use skins from the regular mk fighters. kuz i know in most of the Wrestling games that u can create a wrestler, u can't use the skins of real WWE rasslers. Like i couldn't put RVD's outfit on the Rock, and call him "Rock Van Damme". i think u should be able to do that in mk6. like i can just make a gray skorpion and call him smoke. or a green skorpion and give him Reptile's moves. then i'd save it to my memory card and i'd have the ninja form of Reptile! Voila!

also i think u should be able to have bookoo saved kombatants that u created. like u press select on the character select screen and it flips to the back of the character grid and it is all of the fighters u created! u can even make a profile for them. Like i can dress Jax in all black, give him a trench coat, and strap a sword to his back. then give him a pair of johnny cage's shades and name him "Blade". his profile would say how he is hunting the vampire queen Nitara! and the only way to get to her is by entering the tournament and aiding the mortals of earthrealm. yall see, shit like that would be kool. and i can create my character "Jakob" and ya boy can create "Sphere" (skorpion's bro, eventho i like his concept i dont like the name) and then imagine this- since it has online ability, maybe we can battle our created kombatants. and hell, even trade!

peace

p.s. check out the character i made "Jakob" under the 'create a character' thread.

colguile Wrote: But as most who bought this game found it did not hold attention long enough due to lack of a serious technical game. And that's a majority of those whom bought it. I.

Speak for yourself, but I don't think most people thought that at all.

Most who got the game either put ti down due to:
A) lack of extras
B) lack of ANY real comp or technical game.

With games like SC, CvS2, TTT, VF4, GGXX, and T4 on the playstation 2 not to mention a whole crap load of arcade fighters MK:DA did not hold up its end to them. Not at all. MAYBE T4.

Most respected international play is done in street fighter, SC, VF4, Tekken. Even now with GGXX getting some respect as a tourny wotrthy fighter is shadows MK:DA.

MK:DA compaired to all the game I mentioned above does not offer much. Compair MK:DA to 3rd strike or even CvS2!

By MK standards and the standards MK fans have come to evpect it was fine but stack it up to most played, respect technical fighters where the top international tourneys are held it cannot even touch the type of play they get.

Why is it not included in Evo or SBO for high level play? SC, GGXX and T4 were included but why not MK:DA? There will be console gaming there so I don't understand why it cannot be held.

Why, becuase it does not offer much to the highended, technical gamer. That is the thought process of the majority of competitive fighter fans.

The last tourney worthy MK was UMK3.

The most popular fighter right now is either VF4 or GGXX. That is across the world. In the US I would say it is either GGXX, MvC2, SC or VF4. These get MAJOR play and PR across the world and thy are top sellers in arcades here(Not GGXX).

MK:DA in the 3D realm had a lot to do but considering what I did see from DA is was a great start. I would say they got a good 2 years or 2 games done in one. It beats out Tekken 4 and ALL DOA's IMO and in the majority of most people. But stack it up to VF....

It is just the MK was NEVER considered a tourney fighter in serious terms. Not even in NA.

But IMO if they include all the shallow extras in the next one that most people seem to want over improved gameplay mechanics and THEN work on the gameplay they will get the same result in the world of tourney fighting. Something not respectable by most looking for good comp and game that can stand up to the big fighters.

I say work on the gameplay first tweek it and keep us updated about it as you go along. I really hope the people making the game get a chance to read over this thread.

Not much really needs to be done with it IMO but I hope with the revamped engine they don't tak away some of the better things in it.

yeah..... that guy needs his skeleton ripped!

colguile Wrote: Why, becuase it does not offer much to the highended, technical gamer. That is the thought process of the majority of competitive fighter fans.

Yeah yeah, but saying that over and over doesn't make it true.

Here's what I think. Sure, there's a lot of fans of other fighting games(mainly thr ones you mention) that never have and never will respect MK. But try to realize, that's just going to be the way it is no matter what kind of game the next MK is. And that's a fact.

Frankly, it's just a lot of whining fanboyism. Because I don't care what you say, MKDA offers as much challege and strategic gameplay as ANY other fighter I've played. I get the strong impression from these whiners that they simply aren't used to MK style combat, and that they never gave MKDA a fair try.

And besides, even if I'm wrong and your right, so what. People like and buy MK knowing full well they aren't going to get Tekken, SC, or whatever. They like it because it's fast, fun, and addictive gameplay. They could give a damn if the highbrow fighting fans(if they even exist) respect MK.

They like MK because....they like MK. And that's all that matters. And frankly if you made MK into a Tekken, SC, or VF type of game, the fans would hate it. I know I would. I hate those damn games.

They can keep the simple stuff so you don't hate it, but then add all the fancy technical stuff to make it a Tournament worthy game.

I would love for MK6 to be as complex as SC2, T4, and VF4.

Things I would add are a much more complex combo and linking system. Mix VF4, SC2, and BR3.

Add a more complex reversal system.

And change the commands of special moves, so they don't come out by accident.