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I would say MKDA is a little broken, the only ones who can't compete are bottom 5 but there are no God Tier (trust me, I had like a 10 paged thread about MKDA being broken on ultimatemk.com )
infinites don't make the game broken unless they can actually be done in competitive play.
like Frost for example, she has an infinite but she is not even top 10. Bo Rai Cho has an infinite but he has so many weaknesses that its pretty much useless, in fact, Shang demolishes him because of how fast he is and how slow Drunken Fist is.
Scorpion is No. 1 and he does not even have an infinite (poke - hell fire don't work BTW you can just backdash out it) Pi Gua and Hell fire make him best.




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I am hope they don't mess this one up and learn from their mistakes they made in Armageddon, good thing they lessoned to the fans (which is mostly why it even turned out the way it did sadly)
They should make it pretty balanced, like UMK3.

haha mk8 will be nothing like you guys are dreaming about. Just wait a month or two and you'll see it. Then we can all bitch about what we see.

Pretty much

But I like dreaming, Piggy!

That way I can really really get angry when it's released. hahaha

exactly...thats why theres really no point in discussing, but trax you did your t hing homie and people posted! I kinda hope the game is a MMORPG thats like what red posted about awhile back, that sounded like a badass idea.

Blaze i agree 100% man...Have a mmorpg with a fighting aspect of 1 on 1built into it.

For me, 1 on 1 battles are what MKs are about. Not mmorpg, but if it's a side game like puzzle then fine. But I hate fight mode to be washed down.

Trax

that would be interesting no doubt.

Listen here is how it goes people and you guys better get in tune with this because it is a financial reality.


Midway is under - bad. They need some HUGE success. Despite what mortalkombatonline.com news page says MK hasn't been that big of anything since MK DA and cartridge days. Midway WILL make the next game not for the fans of the mk series but fans of all the popular titles out there right now. You've got 3 main type of games other than sports that are selling.

GTA games
Halo/gears of war games
MMORPG games

I fully guarentee you that mk8 will be one of the above with a fighting element added. Guarenteed.

@Iori, MK:DA is hardly broken compared to the likes of MKD and MKA dude, it has some tricks to it but so does every fighter, and like you said the infinites are rare in that game and throws are blockable which helps out. But I see what you're saying.




Well, I personally doubt MKO would lie about midways success since that's technically slander...if it's not true, (I know some people would say, well written down it's "libel" that's BS to me.) MKO won't post lies, I've been here a while to know that.

Midway isn't as bad as some make it out to be, when the company literally shuts down like say...Acclaim, then that's bad.

But allow me to charge your Midway list a bit ; )

UT 3 coming out soon(this game does well every time, need I say more?)

Stranglehold got good reviews and is doing pretty well

Blitz(even though I'm not a football guy) this game sells for the football buffs, it might not be madden but it still a pretty good game. KF garra loves it on here.

Cruis N series coming to the wii with old compilation and new game(fun arcade racer)

I disagree with you on the fans bit, I've been a hardcore MK fan from the beginning and let me tell you, they HEARD the fans bitch about this character not being in MK:DA or in MK D and put them in MKA. Wanted online play, we got online play..new modes, we got new modes etc, some fans wanted storyline answered, midway said ok, we'll give you bios. They do listen to the fans, and in fact UMK3 you forgot to mention btw and it had a shitload of downloads for the 360 arcade and also won awards on gamestop, other mags for best oldschool fighter for an arcade 360 game. You know how many oldschool MK fans(which outnumber the 3D MK fans btw,) were happy with that? TONS. But in a nutshell, that whole "this company doesn't do enough to please the fans" is not only old but can be said about any game really. You will always find those fans who bitch about something, the most trivial nonsense and you'll always find fans who like what each new game brings to the table.


I don't believe Midway is under "Bad" bad= is literally bankrupt and out of business, that's bad. Granted, a lot of gaming companies struggle, Ubisoft, EA, Capcom etc, etc. Most go thru ups and downs, Midway is no different. Do you know that EA has got sued in the past? Bungie is now separate from microsoft....meaning no more "great halo" games, there's that RPG like halo game coming out halo wars whatever...but nobody is going to play that except the PC buffs..


As for your top three games selling, well GTA=automatic fanbase and way overrated most of which are sony fanboys. And I think GTA's "hotness" has gone down a little since Saint's Row received a lot of good feedback, I mean they're making GTA 4 and it's STILL not online...Saints Row>>GTA. And PS3 got the rights from microsoft to make Saint's Row games now(Saint's Row 2)...what does that tell you? Saint's Row hurt GTA if they didn't do that, GTA 4 would have been FUCKED.

Halo, same thing but at least Halo has tons of action, GTA is after a while...

And the one RPG game that does well and still does is WOW and that's for PC, not any consoles.

What I mean by partially broken was that the bottom 5 cannot compete, but nothing is perfect so I guess its not broken.

I hear your point on Midway's financial worries, Pig. However, I'm going to go along the lines of what MKF has already stated. I don't think Midway's financial troubles has got anything to do with MK franchise. I mean, MK is only one of many games on their list.

Check out full Midway game roster here

So you see, from that list, MK is only one of their many games Midway has exclusive rights to publish. Furthermore, Stranglehold actually looks pretty good. I'm actually tempted to get a copy and PC nerds always love UR Tournament. So it's not all doom and gloom for them.

Therefore, I don't think Midway should compromise MK. It's not like MK:SM sold more than MKA. MKA actually sold 550,000 copies in 2006 in N. America. That's only in 3 months. That's hardly failure and they can build on that with marketing compaign for MK8 for PS3 and XBOX 360, then I see no reason why they can't win fans over while keeping the genre as beat 'em up.

But then again, who knows what they're planning on doing but one us has to be right on this. Who that is? I do not know.

Trax

Yeah, I see what you mean dude, personally I think part of the "bottom 5 can't compete" like some people believe is opinion.

Only reason why I say that is because take bottom 4 in MKA, arguably Shang, Cyrax, Fujin, Kai in no particular order but they're all low tiers...I can compete with Fujin and beat and have beaten top tiers in MKA, I've seen pig do damage with Cyrax. Some players can win with Kai and Shang.

Is it easy? hell no lol but very possible.

Excellent point dude, and nice job finding the actual numbers. I remember reading factually a month ago that MKA sold more then MKD did in that time and more then MK:SM. That's gotta tell ya something, despite who here likes or dislikes MKA overall. If MK turns completely into another kind of game, RPG in this case...it would go downhill....my honest opinion.

I think when Ed Boon said it would be nothing we would expect, I think he ment storyline-wise.

How is Scorpion number 1 in MKDA? I think Sonya destroys him. Especially with her mix-ups with Tae Kwon Do and Kali Sticks. IMO he isn't as good as he was in MKD or MKA. F+1 anyone??? Who were the top 5 in MKDA anyway? I know Sonya and Scorpion were in it but who are the remaining three?

Scorpion is top for a few reasons, but I can list some for ya.

The kicks he has is just as effective in MK:DA as they are in MKD and MKA in his hapkido, but he also has Pi Gua style which is good and also has the push. Push=unblockable and even though you can't backdash out of the hell fire if you're not on your feet you'll burn. The push sets you up for your next attack though also. His sword you do raise a good point and most feel that his sword isn't nearly as good as it is in MKD/MKA with F+1 for example, but it's not bad.

Top 5 in MK:DA I believe are :

Scorpion
Sonya
Shang Tsung
Reptile
Drahmin
Bo(I think he's up here some where)
Quan-Chi(I think)

Top 7 anyway lol I'm not sure which order after Scorpion though.

Top 5 are
1.Scorpion -Alot of Pi Gua moves give hell fire and that kick move (3) is 100% safe and if you catch your enemy not rolling then you can do a hell fire

2.Bo' Rai Cho- Bo dominates in every MK game, but he has tons of weaknesses, heck, when he fights characters like Scorpion and Shang, he is forced out of the crappy Drunkenfist stance, even scorpions poke gives a free hell fire on Drunkenfist because its so slow. Shang is just too quick for Bo.

3.Reptile - Think of a more powerful Mileena (MKD) in MKDA

4.Drahmin - Can do some pretty damaging combo's

5.Sonya

6.Shang Tsung - This may surprise you people who play MKA, but its amazing how much Crane helps him (which is not Chameleons style in MKA)

Hmmmm, I'm trying to remember if you could do Sonya's Kiss of Death after doing 2 in Tae Kwon Do. The animation of the pop-up is different than it was in MKD and MKA.

I recomend you one day go to college and just take on business class to learn what stocks are because after me telling you the stocks of midway have dropped to $4 freakin dollars a share and they're currently being sued for insider trading tells everyone all they need to know. MKO has yet to report on this which shows me whose balls they have in their mouth.

You can list all the fantastic midway games YOU buy but you need to understand what you're talking about first because you're highly frustrating to make points to because you don't understand.

No offense to any of you but you're both idiots.

LESSON 1:

When a musical CD goes diamond (10,000,000 copies) IT DOES NOT MEAN IT'S SOLD 10 million copies. It means at one time 10 million were shipped but not all were sold. Ever heard of overstock.com ? Those sites feist off this stuff. In MK world, yea MKA probably SHIPPED 500k copies but sold 120k.

This is why I don't like talking on the boards about this stuff, for god sakes stop reading MKO for info and find some hard proof what you're talking about.

Ok So Gtrax and MKF why has the stock of the company HIT ROCK BOTTOM in the past 2-3 years since ALL these great games have sold SOOOOO many copies?

you guys are frustrating - i just don't think you guys get it and it's hard to accept. It's like the color blue - IT'S BLUE

READ THIS MKF AND ALL NON BELIEVERS WHO ARE IN DENIAL:

http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2007/10/04/midway-cheap-for-a-reason.aspx

http://finance.yahoo.com/q?s=MWY

http://www.reuters.com/article/marketsNews/idUKN0243573120071002?rpc=44

http://biz.yahoo.com/ap/071002/apfn_midway_games_outlook.html?.v=1


http://www.thestreet.com/_yahoo/newsanalysis/techgames/10378497.html?cm_ven=YAHOO&cm;_cat=FREE&cm;_ite=NA

please do read them all and get back to me because it looks like midway is doing a phenom of a job

You've got a sound business mind, PigKUNT! We should team up!

Dude, I'm not denying anything. Of course Midway are not exactly experiencing the best of times, but I was talking from MK perspective. I don't MK is Midway's Cash cow. If it is then you'll be hearing a lot more about MK every time Midway gets a mention in the business news but instead you hear about URT 3, Stranglehold and other games. That's why I don't think they need to change MK to mmorpg just to enhance their bottom-line.

However, I'm totally with you on the fact Midway seems to be in bad shit but I things change so fast so keep those shares and don't sell just yet!

There are articles dating back to 2002 where all this has been festering, They have changed their CEO 2-3 times in that span. One stepped down. This didn't happen overnight and I doubt it's changing anytime fast.

My guess?

Company will sell itself within next 3-5 years.

MK was the cash cow - another thing let's say Stranglehold sells 5 million copies, that will cause only a dent in their gigantic problems.

Just read all those articles, do some looking for yourselves (mkf mainly included) and you'll find a hell of a lot more than I gave here.

I'll do more research. Like one of the articles read, there's a reason why they're cheap stocks. Stability is one of them and Midway doesn't have that.

I don't have to go to college to know when a company is bankrupt and when it's not. I never said Midway is perfect, but most gaming companies at some point have struggled is what I'm telling you. And btw, I did take a course in high school couple years back in economy instead of history 4 so I was taught all about stocks. I understand full well.

As I've said before, I'm aware of midway's cases the times people sued them and some of which were dumb reasons...not referring to this one but another case.

Still, Midway themselves IF they were in some seriously big trouble. They would let everyone know. I'm talking as in shutting down completely, you seem to be ignoring that part that Trax and I refer too.

And we're far from idiots, seriously flaming is a sign of losing an argument with no valid point to back it up....I've seen that way too many times on here. Just make your point without the insults, not necessarily. Thanks.

MK is just one of their games that brings in a lot of money, I know it's not the only game and I'm aware they have struggles. California midway complex shut down a year or so ago, as well as one in aussy I believe. That was more of a downer then these recent stocks you're talking about and yes btw MKO DID indeed post that story.

So, yes I'm aware of their ups and downs...just because you're more involved in stocks and we're not doesn't mean you're midway's stock rep on MKO to tell all of us "midway's getting sued or stocks are down" no offense dude but I really don't think anyone here cares that much.

Like my old professor said once, investing in stocks=big gamble, sometimes you do well, others not so much.

One month a companies stocks can be good, another down in the dumps. You might as well play lotto dude. That's what he used to tell us and he spent his whole life in stock market.

thank you pig, the 1 million copies shiiped thing is a joke, cause there is no way they even sold 500,000 copies combined on both systems.

before they starting reseting the ranks, if u lost 100 games in a row your rank never went below 3000, mkd the first month u would have been in the 40,000s. mka was a complete bust.


u think midway is making so much money, they make shit off the xbla games, they had shiity income from mk last yr, they payed out 750,000 for the unreal engine. sorry but the numbers look in the red to me.