Why is it so hard for some people to give the 3D era characters a chance?
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12/12/2014 02:11 AM EST
Because most of them suck.
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12/12/2014 04:46 AM EST
Never understood the logic that some people just outright hate characters.

Personally, I appreciate every single canon character in this franchise and see potential in every single one of the 3D characters, aside from the ass-kissing joke character Mokap. But even Mokap, for that one game, I saw and was in on the joke and I appreciated his inclusion for what it was.

I guess it all just comes down to my incredibly powerful love of the story and the lore but I could sit here all day and name at least 10 things I liked or appreciated about every single 3D era character.

I love MK and at the end of the day, I love all of its characters from 1 to X and hope I see every single one of them again atleast once at some point.
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12/12/2014 10:33 AM EST
OttoVonRuthless Wrote:
The reason many don't like Li Mei has nothing to do with what color she's wearing, it's because she's fucking bland and boring. It's that simple.


As someone that was on these boards during and before the DA release I can say that is somewhat a false notion. You wouldn't believe the absolutely goofy things people were upset about. I shit you not that the overwhelming vast majority of complaints regarding Li Mei was because she "stole" Mileena's color and sais - that she was indeed a rip off. People also made other absurd claims like stating that she was a rip off because her name flipped around (Mei Li) was too similar to Mileena. When she was announced for Deception? Holy shit dude people threw some major hissy fits about that as well.

Dedicated, hopeless...Li Mei fan.

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12/12/2014 10:38 AM EST
Omg that is the worst reasons ever lol. Li Me I is nothing like Mileena except the said. But she doesn't even have them anymore. People need to chill.
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12/12/2014 01:26 PM EST
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Most of the fans were equally hateful of the majority of the MK3 cast, and Tanya, once. Now they seem to have forgotten how hated most of the MK3 cast and Tanya used to be.


Who are these fans? A lot of users I know actually have favorites from the third game's cast.


Heck, I thought Stryker was awesome from the start when I started playing MK3.

Granted, I was in a very distant minority, but still...
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12/29/2014 11:58 PM EST
I grew up with the 3D characters and I personaly love almost all of them. All they need is a second chance.
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12/30/2014 12:26 AM EST
OMG boring lolz
-internetz

Seriously tho, they boring, son.
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12/30/2014 01:15 PM EST
HiddenCharacter Wrote:
OMG boring lolz
-internetz

Seriously tho, they boring, son.


Strictly speaking in terms of games?

3D Era character depth > Trilogy Era character depth.

Jus' saying.

Imo, the only reason those characters were so much more well received is because we had the arcade experience, movies, cartoons, comics, and tv shows that propelled them and their stories at us. 3D era characters didn't get all that treatment. Granted, they got some, but definitely not a decade's worth.

Now, I do agree there are a few who are boring as hell, but I still don't really hate them.
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12/30/2014 03:12 PM EST
I like quite a few of the 3D era characters, but almost objectively most of them are uninspired, bland, or rushed. They're not well well liked because it's clear even the people who created them were pretty "meh" about it.

The ones I like are Fujin, Kenshi, Li Mei, Havik, and Hotaru, There are others with potential, but so many more where it's like they just threw something at a wall.
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12/30/2014 03:21 PM EST
I blame 3D. The 3D era characters all had extremely generic movesets (sharing several moves with several other characters) and those games' gameplay was just clunky, slow, and glitchy, so the only people supporting those characters are the people that love the MK storyline and lore. I mean, even a lot of classic characters started to get hate in those games because they lost a lot of their classic moves. In MK9, a lot of characters are stale desing/storyline wise but at least they were fun to play. Mortal Kombat should've never tried to be Tekken/Soul Calibur.
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12/30/2014 04:14 PM EST
Some were good some were bad.

MK4
Fujin ***
Tanya **
Quan chi ***
Reiko ***
Shinnok ***

MK DA
Kenshi ***
Bo rai cho *

MKD
Ashrah **
Hotaru *
Shujinko (young version) ***
Darriou *

i guess it was hard for the MK team to come up with some good chars. without John. Ed seemed less serious about the chars. back than.
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12/30/2014 04:42 PM EST
DarkenedSoul Wrote:
Icebaby Wrote:
You'd be surprised how many here actually like Drahmin. He was not a horrible character at all.


The guy was awesome!


blacksaibot Wrote:
Because most people didn't grow up with them...


Most of the MK Universe grew up with them. Even if they didn't, they still probably played the games and enjoyed them or didn't.


The lame-ass 3D characters might be the ones you are referring to:
Shujinko


I took Shujinko because he does have potential and I liked him. Even though he had an array of mixed specials from other characters, doesn't make him lame. I hope he comes back and become the main boss. grin


And on that note. I think Shujinko may be the surprise returning boss character boon was referring to.

I don't have a problem with most 3D characters. Havik is my favorite and I live his Cameo appearance with Bi-Han, an Mk1 fave.

I hate frost because she is a threat to subbie's slot.

I hate clones like Kira and Jarek.

I still played the hell out of mk4-mkA non the less. EDIT: Kenshi was always ok with me story wise, but gameplay wise: MKDA: Cool MKD&MKA: Better MK9: This guy is PSI Rockin'
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12/31/2014 01:22 AM EST
MindStrikes Wrote:

Darriou *


Is that a combination of Dairou and Darrius?
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12/31/2014 01:41 AM EST
Personally I used to hate a lot of the new characters, but now that I've gone back and re-read their bios and how they each came to be in the big scheme of things, I can appreciate each one in their own way. (except Kobra, because he just sucks)

I wouldn't be upset if any of these were given another chance.

Ethereal, ravenous, piercing. It's Mileena bitch.

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12/31/2014 04:43 AM EST
After MK2 they brought in pop culture derivatives and ripoffs. Not that it was not the case before, but they were not as gimmicky as for example Kano's terminator look.


it is quite easy to see why MK3 characters became popular.

Sindel aka Silver Banshee,.... Sheeva because female shokan is playable, Cyrax and Sektor who were motorcross madness rejects, though a fitting cyborg armour would have been pretty hard to make....yeah. Kabal... Star Wars in MK, at least he got hookswords which are fine. Apparently Styker is the more sensible one, yet his guts were hated to no end.

MK4 is unspeqakably bad with new character. Though some of those were improved upon, but Reiko and Jarek are probably the most where-the-fuck-are-they-going-with-him characters.

Reiko... a pretty coo guy, he walks through portals and doesn't afraid f anything.

Apparently putting Shang Tsung's eye markings from MK3 on an old man in Rain's costume with Shao Kahn's gauntlet's backhand padding is considered WRITING.


The point is, most of the classics work on a very easy but hollow principle. Visually they might be appealing or catching, but we have moved on from those aesthetics. The excess-fest of the 90s is over.



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12/31/2014 08:59 AM EST
SwingBatta Wrote:
MindStrikes Wrote:

Darriou *


Is that a combination of Dairou and Darrius?


lol, now it is!
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01/16/2015 05:45 PM EST
I'm willing to give them a chance. I actually like many of them. If they all had a revamp I'd be all for it.

Certain characters I don't like cause they are basicly another character Jarek and Kira. I like Kira, if she had different moves completely other wise she's a Kano clone. Same, with Jarek. Shujinko is boring cause, he just copied moves.

He's not liked but Hsu Hao wasn't horrible and if he wasn't killed off in The, MKX comic and revamped he might of been cool. I also don't like Mavado much lol

I love shinnok, Fujin, reiko, nitara, Bo rai cho, Li Mei Kenshi, ashrah.

Not a fan of Kobra, hotaru or Dairou darrius lol.

I'd play and welcome even those I don't like if they were upgraded in thr current style
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01/16/2015 05:58 PM EST
shrairyuwarrior Wrote:
I'm willing to give them a chance. I actually like many of them. If they all had a revamp I'd be all for it.

Certain characters I don't like cause they are basicly another character Jared and Kira. I like Kira, if she had different moves completely other wise she's a Kano clone. Same, with Jarek. Shut ink is boring cause, he just copied moves.

He's u liked but Hsu Hao wasn't horrible and if he wasn't killed off in The, MKX comic and revamped he might of been cool. I also don't like Mavado much lol

I love shinnok, Fujin, reiko, nitara, Bo rai cho, Li Mei Kenshi, ashrah.

Not a fan of Kobra, hotrod dairy or Darrius lol.

I'd play and welcome even those I don't like if they were upgraded in thr current style


See, I like that attitude. So many people keep saying they don't want to see certain 3D era characters all because how they were 11-13 years ago and that's plain stupid. ALL of the 3D era characters could easily be whipped into shape. Just sucks that many of them won't get that chance and will continue to be bashed because of how they were over a decade ago.

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01/16/2015 07:29 PM EST
Because they suck!!!

especially moveset wise..

Kai: only thing that stands out is his fireballs.

Shinnok: Shang Tsung ripoff. Whacked out Armageddon moveset that just looks like a rush job.

Reiko: Noob wannabe with shurikens & a stupid looking spinkick.

Jarek: Kano with ground pound. Liked his rope mechanics in Armageddon, but even the developers bitched that it's too much like Scorpion.

Tanya: Capcom sent a cease & desist notice on this character. stupid looking projectile pose. She only stood out for her infamous "look behind you" spinal dislocation grab.

Fujin: I'll make an exception here. If they use his mythologies moveset then okay. If not, Kung Lao is already on the field.(besides, Kitana has his lift move already)

Bo' Rai Cho: puke puddle. yeah, no comment... Taught the majority of earthrealm's heroes all of these devastating techniques, yet he'd rather attack his opponent, belly first...

Li Mei: Gender bender Liu Kang with Reiko's silly spinkick.

Mavado: Camel toe. interesting rushdown mechanics with the use of his grappling hooks though.

Nitara: Sindel with splits kick.

Drahmin: ditch the Sho-Ryuu-Ken wannabe move then okay.

Hsu Hao: I only liked his Kahn Klap.

Frost: No

Blaze: no

Mokap: Hell No!

Havik: His moveset I actually enjoy.

Shujinko: *yawn*

Hotaru: Do we need another fire user? Mistaken for Fujin at one time.

Ashrah: See Fujin.

Dairou: Terrible. Among the worst moveset.

Kobra: Liu Kang with dash punch, overhead, & teleport punch. Very original right?

Darrius: Too many rushdown maneuvers...

Kira: When Midway ran out of innovation.

Meat: Yeah, meat....

Chameleon & Gender Bent Khameleon: Got all of the throwaway moves of the characters they mimicked.

Onaga: Damn! What happened to that awesome grab he had in MKD?

Taven: His rush move was cool.

Daegon: Should just stick to barking orders. Not even his nifty double sword move could save him.

Blaze 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dm2lBzm2AE

Wait! Wasn't there another character that I missed? Eh, it matters little for now...
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01/16/2015 07:39 PM EST
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Because they suck!!!

especially moveset wise..

Kai: only thing that stands out is his fireballs.

Shinnok: Shang Tsung ripoff. Whacked out Armageddon moveset that just looks like a rush job.

Reiko: Noob wannabe with shurikens & a stupid looking spinkick.

Jarek: Kano with ground pound. Liked his rope mechanics in Armageddon, but even the developers bitched that it's too much like Scorpion.

Tanya: Capcom sent a cease & desist notice on this character. stupid looking projectile pose. She only stood out for her infamous "look behind you" spinal dislocation grab.

Fujin: I'll make an exception here. If they use his mythologies moveset then okay. If not, Kung Lao is already on the field.(besides, Kitana has his lift move already)

Bo' Rai Cho: puke puddle. yeah, no comment... Taught the majority of earthrealm's heroes all of these devastating techniques, yet he'd rather attack his opponent, belly first...

Li Mei: Gender bender Liu Kang with Reiko's silly spinkick.

Mavado: Camel toe. interesting rushdown mechanics with the use of his grappling hooks though.

Nitara: Sindel with splits kick.

Drahmin: ditch the Sho-Ryuu-Ken wannabe move then okay.

Hsu Hao: I only liked his Kahn Klap.

Frost: No

Blaze: no

Mokap: Hell No!

Havik: His moveset I actually enjoy.

Shujinko: *yawn*

Hotaru: Do we need another fire user? Mistaken for Fujin at one time.

Ashrah: See Fujin.

Dairou: Terrible. Among the worst moveset.

Kobra: Liu Kang with dash punch, overhead, & teleport punch. Very original right?

Darrius: Too many rushdown maneuvers...

Kira: When Midway ran out of innovation.

Meat: Yeah, meat....

Chameleon & Gender Bent Khameleon: Got all of the throwaway moves of the characters they mimicked.

Onaga: Damn! What happened to that awesome grab he had in MKD?

Taven: His rush move was cool.

Daegon: Should just stick to barking orders. Not even his nifty double sword move could save him.

Blaze 2: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3dm2lBzm2AE

Wait! Wasn't there another character that I missed? Eh, it matters little for now...


All based off of 11-13 year old games. Ok. *eye roll*

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01/16/2015 07:39 PM EST
Bo Rai Cho is probably in my top ten favorite MK characters, period.

Havik is also one of the characters in the series I like most. I've always loved Ashrah as a character, too. Her story and look. They could just make her funner to play, IMO.

And I actually like Shujinko a lot, whereas most people hate him. I like having an elderly character, I liked his look and his voice in Deception, and yeah he was naive but I really became invested in his story by playing as him in Deception's Konquest mode. Like with Ashrah, he just needs better gameplay IMO.

Hotaru and Dairou both had a lot of potential but were hampered by really shitty movesets.

Drahmin, too, had a cool look and story but wasn't executed properly. I know he is one of NRS' least liked characters along with Hsu Hao. Which is too bad because I remember seeing the concept art for him in that issue of Game Informer way back in 2001 that previewed MKDA, and I remember reading his story, too in that magazine and thinking he sounded like an absolutely fascinating and awesome character. It's really too bad that he turned out to be so lackluster.

Kenshi and various MK4 characters are quite awesome, too but most people already acknowledge them, I think.

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01/16/2015 07:41 PM EST
Because no matter what people say, they are nostalgia whores.

Don't let them tell you anything different.
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01/16/2015 07:45 PM EST
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Never understood the logic that some people just outright hate characters.

Personally, I appreciate every single canon character in this franchise and see potential in every single one of the 3D characters, aside from the ass-kissing joke character Mokap. But even Mokap, for that one game, I saw and was in on the joke and I appreciated his inclusion for what it was.

I guess it all just comes down to my incredibly powerful love of the story and the lore but I could sit here all day and name at least 10 things I liked or appreciated about every single 3D era character.

I love MK and at the end of the day, I love all of its characters from 1 to X and hope I see every single one of them again atleast once at some point.



Dude... *high five*

Sometimes I feel like I am the only one in these forums who is like that. I don't really hate ANY character. Not even Mokap or Meat, even though they truly were/are joke characters.

I just...love MK, and prefer to love things rather than hate on them. Something about geek culture, whether it's MK, super heroes, Star Wars or anything else seems to encourage this overly critical, cynical, almost hipster-ish urge to want to hate on everything. It annoys me to no end.

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01/16/2015 07:47 PM EST
10 3D era characters that have potential to become "break outs" if revamped-

Havik
Nitara
Ashrah
Fujin
Tanya
Reiko
Drahmin
Li Mei
Sareena
Khameleon(Well technically not 3D)


These ten characters I think could really shine and truly steal some of the thunder from some of the original, tired and played out characters if given brand new looks, fighting variations, and other unique badass attributes.

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01/16/2015 07:53 PM EST
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10 3D era characters that have potential to become "break outs" if revamped-

Havik
Nitara
Ashrah
Fujin
Tanya
Reiko
Drahmin
Li Mei
Sareena
Khameleon(Well technically not 3D)


These ten characters I think could really shine and truly steal some of the thunder from some of the original, tired and played out characters if given brand new looks, fighting variations, and other unique badass attributes.



Bo Rai Cho belongs on this list. He is so important to the mythos, he is unique and with MKX's variation system he has tons of gameplay potential.

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