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Sub-Zero_7th
06/03/2006 04:19 PM (UTC)
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Anansi Wrote:
Why are Noob and Smoke together in the first place? Here's my guess. It was just a cheap way to throw them both into Deception at the last minute. Well, now, Midway, you can finish what you started and make them fully realized characters. It really sucks the tag team way because Noob Saibot has always been my favorite character and in Deception, he loses all his moves and only gets one fighting style. I like Noob the way he was in MK Trilogy- pitch black and kickass. And why must we only have two costumes per character? If this is supposed to be the final and ultimate Mortal Kombat, all the characters should get all their classic costumes back. (Except for Reptile's lizardman look, it really sucks ass)

You're guess would be wrong then. Noob-Smoke was in the E3 version of MKD so they weren't thrown in at the last minute. Darrius was the last character they thought up.
Anyway, here are my ideas:
Noob Saibot
Primary costume: MKD alt
Alternate costume: MKD primary
Fighting Style: Tall Monkey (a.k.a. Standing Monkey)
Special Moves
Shadow Blast: His MKT projectile; hits high, disables opponent from being able to physically harm Noob
Shadow Clone: Shadow version of Sub-Zero's Ice Clone but with the effects of Shadow Blast; comes out a bit slower than Sub-Zero's Ice Clone
Clone Throw: His move from MKT; hits high; Noob sends a clone to run towards the opponent to grab then toss back him/her into the air to allow for juggle hits; has pretty good recovery
Teleport Slam: His MKT move; hits high, teleports Noob to the other side, grabs the opponent and slams them, causing a pop up effect; comes out quickly but the recovery time can put him in risk of being vulnerable
Darkness: Name of his invisibility move in MKD; this Darkness move is different than the one in MKD; basically, Noob will channel his dark energy to darken the arena, making it tricky to fight in
Smoke
Primary costume: MKD alt
Alternate costume: MKD primary
Fighting style: Mi Tzu Chuan (Rice Ancestor Fist)
Special Moves
Stinky Cloud: His move from MKD; Smoke slides back while blasting smoke in front of him; if the opponent gets caught in the smoke, he/she will be vulnerable to Smoke for a short amount of time
Smokeycut: His Teleport Uppercut; Smoke goes into the ground then pops back up, launching the opponent into the air; hits mid
Smokey Invisibility: His invisibility move from MK3 - MKT; turns himself invisible
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Anansi
06/03/2006 04:27 PM (UTC)
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I like your ideas for Noob but I always found invisibility to be useless. Also, I think every character should have two outfits as well as an alternate/secret outfit. That way, we can have Noob back in all his pitch-black sillouette glory. Also, while the decision to make them a tag team may not have been last minute, it was definitely cheap and didn't show much effort on the part of the developers.
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Sub-Zero_7th
06/03/2006 04:36 PM (UTC)
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Anansi Wrote:
I like your ideas for Noob but I always found invisibility to be useless. Also, I think every character should have two outfits as well as an alternate/secret outfit. That way, we can have Noob back in all his pitch-black sillouette glory. Also, while the decision to make them a tag team may not have been last minute, it was definitely cheap and didn't show much effort on the part of the developers.

I don't know. I kind of liked the Noob-Smoke tag team in MKD. Their pairing up, while not fully making sense at first, it turns out to be interesting in terms of story, because Sub-Zero will have to fight his brother and his best friend, which really makes for a hell of a story. I did put Noob's pitch black costume as his primary, btw.
I do think that in terms of gameplay, Noob Saibot and Smoke should be separate in MKA. However, I haven't given a good finalized idea as to what their other style could be. I just gave the invisibility to Smoke just to have him with 3 moves at least. Also, the invisibility may not be completely useless as you probably wouldn't be able to tell if Smoke would do a high, mid, or low attack. It could keep the opponent guessing.
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06/03/2006 04:44 PM (UTC)
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Sub-Zero_7th Wrote:
I don't know. I kind of liked the Noob-Smoke tag team in MKD. Their pairing up, while not fully making sense at first, it turns out to be interesting in terms of story, because Sub-Zero will have to fight his brother and his best friend, which really makes for a hell of a story.
ya but comon 2 on 1 isnt fair lol thats puss and i feel it degrades noob and smokes characters by makin it feel like they HAVE to team up to survive instead of being seperate stronger beings tongue
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Sub-Zero_7th
06/03/2006 04:48 PM (UTC)
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In terms of gameplay, they'd be pretty good on their own (yes, even with 1 style each). I just think the tag-team idea of those two was interesting.
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06/03/2006 05:45 PM (UTC)
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Sub-Zero_7th Wrote:
In terms of gameplay, they'd be pretty good on their own (yes, even with 1 style each). I just think the tag-team idea of those two was interesting.

It was ok to have them as team in MKD especially since they got to be the sub-boss. But since this is the "last game" with most of the characters I wholeheartedly think they should be separate with 2 styles, there own weapons, and there old school moves. Plus Noob is the only guy to get ripped off in deception with a palette swap instead of a true alt. Which should have been reversed because Noob is all about black, since when does he have human skin. I thought his primary in MKD made him look too normal. I'm not apposed to having them be both, since some people did like the team (maybe as a hidden feature), but for all the hard core Noob and Smoke fans they need to be separate.
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06/03/2006 05:54 PM (UTC)
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Looking at the subject I dont think Ed Boon will care what their name would be if he makes them a team,but seriously I would like to see them seperate Noob's cloud projectile from UMK3 was awesome as was smoke's own impression of Scorpion's spear attack
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06/03/2006 05:54 PM (UTC)
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NoobsShadow Wrote:
Sub-Zero_7th Wrote:
In terms of gameplay, they'd be pretty good on their own (yes, even with 1 style each). I just think the tag-team idea of those two was interesting.

It was ok to have them as team in MKD especially since they got to be the sub-boss. But since this is the "last game" with most of the characters I wholeheartedly think they should be separate with 2 styles, there own weapons, and there old school moves. Plus Noob is the only guy to get ripped off in deception with a palette swap instead of a true alt. Which should have been reversed because Noob is all about black, since when does he have human skin. I thought his primary in MKD made him look too normal. I'm not apposed to having them be both, since some people did like the team (maybe as a hidden feature), but for all the hard core Noob and Smoke fans they need to be separate.

Like I said, I think they should be separate in MKA. I'm just not 100% sure in my mind as to what their other styles could be. I mean, I guess Noob could have a Scythe. I guess his more human look is to hint at his origins or something like that. I hope he'll keep Monkey.
I don't see a good reason as to why he should be using Ninjutsu like some people want. I mean, if you Ninjutsu as the art of stealth and espionage, yes, it makes sense for him to use it as he had been using it in MK2 and MK3. However, some of the Samuraijutsu, such as Katori Shinto Ryu, have Ninjutsu in their curriculum. What separates the Ninjutsu used by the ninja and the Ninjutsu used by the Samurai is the context and the focus. Ninjutsu was one of the main focuses of Ninja fighting arts.
I just don't see Noob Saibot using Ninjutsu the fighting style. His origins as a warrior of a Chinese clan makes more sense for him to be using Chinese martial arts. Also, both the ninja and Monkey kung fu practicioners use psychological tactics to their advantage.
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06/04/2006 02:22 AM (UTC)
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EcstasyTuesday Wrote:
Sub-Zero_7th Wrote:
I don't know. I kind of liked the Noob-Smoke tag team in MKD. Their pairing up, while not fully making sense at first, it turns out to be interesting in terms of story, because Sub-Zero will have to fight his brother and his best friend, which really makes for a hell of a story.

ya but comon 2 on 1 isnt fair lol thats puss and i feel it degrades noob and smokes characters by makin it feel like they HAVE to team up to survive instead of being seperate stronger beings tongue

I don't think so. For Noob to program smoke on his side was clever. Also smoke could have been close to Noob when he was alive. So this show's he doesn't give a fuck as long as the job is done. Also both are still pretty nasty alone.
And sub-zero may not fight Nood alone when he made freinds with Kenshi.
...Is it me or am I the only one who likes Noob smokes new primary outfit in deception.
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JagManiac316
06/22/2006 02:57 PM (UTC)
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I think they should have they seperate!!! In MKD they got the raw end of the deal cuz while EVERYONE else had their own stuff, they had to share a lot of crap. I think it was a bad part on the designers for combining the two. In MKA they should def. have them seperate!! If you look at the MKA pic w/ everyone (except Motaro furious) you will see them side by side. This could mean either or. Hopefully they are not together!
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06/22/2006 03:20 PM (UTC)
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Oh yeah, almost forgot. In the Febuary 2006 edition of GameInformer they have a section all bout MKA. They have that huge pic of everyone and they have a key with everyone's name. The key says "Sareena, Tanya, Darrius, Noob, Smoke" If they were gonna be one character like in MKD then they wouldn't have put the comma in!!
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06/22/2006 09:23 PM (UTC)
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I thought the tag team was cool but it was pretty cheap since noob could just appear out ot the groud or smoke so Im kinda hoping that they will be seperate.
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Vasculio
06/22/2006 09:30 PM (UTC)
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Sub-Zero_7th Wrote:
Anansi Wrote:
Why are Noob and Smoke together in the first place? Here's my guess. It was just a cheap way to throw them both into Deception at the last minute. Well, now, Midway, you can finish what you started and make them fully realized characters. It really sucks the tag team way because Noob Saibot has always been my favorite character and in Deception, he loses all his moves and only gets one fighting style. I like Noob the way he was in MK Trilogy- pitch black and kickass. And why must we only have two costumes per character? If this is supposed to be the final and ultimate Mortal Kombat, all the characters should get all their classic costumes back. (Except for Reptile's lizardman look, it really sucks ass)

You're guess would be wrong then. Noob-Smoke was in the E3 version of MKD so they weren't thrown in at the last minute. Darrius was the last character they thought up.
Anyway, here are my ideas:
Noob Saibot
Primary costume: MKD alt
Alternate costume: MKD primary
Fighting Style: Tall Monkey (a.k.a. Standing Monkey)
Special Moves
Shadow Blast: His MKT projectile; hits high, disables opponent from being able to physically harm Noob
Shadow Clone: Shadow version of Sub-Zero's Ice Clone but with the effects of Shadow Blast; comes out a bit slower than Sub-Zero's Ice Clone
Clone Throw: His move from MKT; hits high; Noob sends a clone to run towards the opponent to grab then toss back him/her into the air to allow for juggle hits; has pretty good recovery
Teleport Slam: His MKT move; hits high, teleports Noob to the other side, grabs the opponent and slams them, causing a pop up effect; comes out quickly but the recovery time can put him in risk of being vulnerable
Darkness: Name of his invisibility move in MKD; this Darkness move is different than the one in MKD; basically, Noob will channel his dark energy to darken the arena, making it tricky to fight in
Smoke
Primary costume: MKD alt
Alternate costume: MKD primary
Fighting style: Mi Tzu Chuan (Rice Ancestor Fist)
Special Moves
Stinky Cloud: His move from MKD; Smoke slides back while blasting smoke in front of him; if the opponent gets caught in the smoke, he/she will be vulnerable to Smoke for a short amount of time
Smokeycut: His Teleport Uppercut; Smoke goes into the ground then pops back up, launching the opponent into the air; hits mid
Smokey Invisibility: His invisibility move from MK3 - MKT; turns himself invisible

Sorry i couldn't give you dragon points, because of a few minor flaws!
1. Noob Saibot's Trilogy Teleport Slam sucks! I want better animation. If his teleport slam returns
2. Noob Saibot's Monkey Style! I hate that fighting style with a passion! But thats my opinion!
3. Where the **** are the weapons for these characters?! Oh wait! You must be talking about Noob-Smoke! Pssh!
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06/22/2006 09:35 PM (UTC)
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for the sake of the fans they should be seperated.
seeing 2 cobra silhouttes on the select screen gives me hope that they will be seperate.
monkey fits noob perfectly. as for a weapon he needs a scythe.
smoke: he needs a projectile special. he could have a similar bomb like cyrax excepts his would more of a tear gas bomb or smoke that hits the opponent in the face leaving them stunned visionless for a second.
as for a weapon: an axe shrouded in smoke. the kind axe that has the 2 blades(obviously) and the one spike in the middle.
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06/22/2006 09:48 PM (UTC)
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it all depends.
after looking at some of the ripped mkd sounds, it could have went "smoke-noob" guess it all depends on what the programmer is thinking at that time.
i personally dont give a crap if its noob or noob saibot. it doesnt matter.
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MK2US
06/22/2006 11:09 PM (UTC)
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I'd like to see them together and not seperated.
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Nemesis316
06/22/2006 11:21 PM (UTC)
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Being quite the Noob-Smoke fan I am, I think they should be separate as playable characters, but in the storyline still be together, just have their storyline told in a different perspective for each one. That will satisfy the ones that want N-S to be together or separate.
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06/23/2006 03:45 AM (UTC)
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im kinda tired of waiting to find out if there together or not why is midway being such a bitch about it when they should know the majority of mk fans dont want them together i hate smoke i dont want him to tag along with noob saibot
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06/23/2006 05:08 PM (UTC)
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Vasculio Wrote:
Sub-Zero_7th Wrote:
Anansi Wrote:
Why are Noob and Smoke together in the first place? Here's my guess. It was just a cheap way to throw them both into Deception at the last minute. Well, now, Midway, you can finish what you started and make them fully realized characters. It really sucks the tag team way because Noob Saibot has always been my favorite character and in Deception, he loses all his moves and only gets one fighting style. I like Noob the way he was in MK Trilogy- pitch black and kickass. And why must we only have two costumes per character? If this is supposed to be the final and ultimate Mortal Kombat, all the characters should get all their classic costumes back. (Except for Reptile's lizardman look, it really sucks ass)

You're guess would be wrong then. Noob-Smoke was in the E3 version of MKD so they weren't thrown in at the last minute. Darrius was the last character they thought up.
Anyway, here are my ideas:
Noob Saibot
Primary costume: MKD alt
Alternate costume: MKD primary
Fighting Style: Tall Monkey (a.k.a. Standing Monkey)
Special Moves
Shadow Blast: His MKT projectile; hits high, disables opponent from being able to physically harm Noob
Shadow Clone: Shadow version of Sub-Zero's Ice Clone but with the effects of Shadow Blast; comes out a bit slower than Sub-Zero's Ice Clone
Clone Throw: His move from MKT; hits high; Noob sends a clone to run towards the opponent to grab then toss back him/her into the air to allow for juggle hits; has pretty good recovery
Teleport Slam: His MKT move; hits high, teleports Noob to the other side, grabs the opponent and slams them, causing a pop up effect; comes out quickly but the recovery time can put him in risk of being vulnerable
Darkness: Name of his invisibility move in MKD; this Darkness move is different than the one in MKD; basically, Noob will channel his dark energy to darken the arena, making it tricky to fight in
Smoke
Primary costume: MKD alt
Alternate costume: MKD primary
Fighting style: Mi Tzu Chuan (Rice Ancestor Fist)
Special Moves
Stinky Cloud: His move from MKD; Smoke slides back while blasting smoke in front of him; if the opponent gets caught in the smoke, he/she will be vulnerable to Smoke for a short amount of time
Smokeycut: His Teleport Uppercut; Smoke goes into the ground then pops back up, launching the opponent into the air; hits mid
Smokey Invisibility: His invisibility move from MK3 - MKT; turns himself invisible

Sorry i couldn't give you dragon points, because of a few minor flaws!
1. Noob Saibot's Trilogy Teleport Slam sucks! I want better animation. If his teleport slam returns
2. Noob Saibot's Monkey Style! I hate that fighting style with a passion! But thats my opinion!
3. Where the **** are the weapons for these characters?! Oh wait! You must be talking about Noob-Smoke! Pssh!

1. I think Noob Saibot's Teleport Slam from MKT is fine as it is.
2. I think Monkey suits him. I chose Tall Monkey, one of the 5 forms of Monkey Kung Fu, for Noob Saibot because of his height and body type since Tall Monkey is a long-ranged Northern Chinese martial art for taller, longer limbed people such as Noob. Giving Noob Saibot Ninjutsu (btw, you'd have to specify which Ryu. Even then, I don't think it suits him for reasons I had already stated.) would make him into a bad stereotype. I mean, he's already bad enough as it is with the all-black thing and the shuriken throwing. His origins were of those of a Lin Kuei warrior assassin, not a Shinobi no Mono.
3. Like I said in one of the posts, I couldn't really think of a good second style for the characters. I had thought of Fan Zi Quan for Noob and Tien Shan Pai for Smoke, but I wasn't 100% sure on those choices. I thought I had already made it clear that I want Noob and Smoke to be separate in terms of gameplay.
Please actually try to look at things carefully. About things like the Teleport Slam and the fighting style for Noob, I'm pretty sure we already agreed to disagree. I made my reasons for the choices I made which I feel were valid enough. I'd at least like to see a valid reason from you as to why Noob should use Ninjutsu.
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06/23/2006 09:03 PM (UTC)
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all i kno is dat i grew up on mk i may be from da ghetto but that shit was popin when i waz a youngbuck but i don't kno cuz my nigga had MKD and noob and smoke fuckin sucked together i hope that nigga don't put dem together again ...holla at ya boi.....oh yeah blaze dem sweetz my niggaz.
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06/23/2006 10:16 PM (UTC)
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KillaChronic420 Wrote:
all i kno is dat i grew up on mk i may be from da ghetto but that shit was popin when i waz a youngbuck but i don't kno cuz my nigga had MKD and noob and smoke fuckin sucked together i hope that nigga don't put dem together again ...holla at ya boi.....oh yeah blaze dem sweetz my niggaz.

My god that was horrible. If you're going to take time to type like that, then why not try to type correctly?
Anyways, Noob-Smoke need to be their own characters once again. They got only one stance each, while every other character had 2 stances and a weapon. And yes the team up was forced, if there is no option for something and it is not liked by some then it is indeed forced. People who say it wasn't force just don't know the meaning of forced.
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06/24/2006 04:18 AM (UTC)
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noob-smoke sucks
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06/24/2006 04:49 AM (UTC)
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MK2US Wrote:
I'd like to see them together and not seperated.

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06/24/2006 04:57 AM (UTC)
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Sub-Zero_7th Wrote:
Vasculio Wrote:
Sub-Zero_7th Wrote:
Anansi Wrote:
Why are Noob and Smoke together in the first place? Here's my guess. It was just a cheap way to throw them both into Deception at the last minute. Well, now, Midway, you can finish what you started and make them fully realized characters. It really sucks the tag team way because Noob Saibot has always been my favorite character and in Deception, he loses all his moves and only gets one fighting style. I like Noob the way he was in MK Trilogy- pitch black and kickass. And why must we only have two costumes per character? If this is supposed to be the final and ultimate Mortal Kombat, all the characters should get all their classic costumes back. (Except for Reptile's lizardman look, it really sucks ass)

You're guess would be wrong then. Noob-Smoke was in the E3 version of MKD so they weren't thrown in at the last minute. Darrius was the last character they thought up.
Anyway, here are my ideas:
Noob Saibot
Primary costume: MKD alt
Alternate costume: MKD primary
Fighting Style: Tall Monkey (a.k.a. Standing Monkey)
Special Moves
Shadow Blast: His MKT projectile; hits high, disables opponent from being able to physically harm Noob
Shadow Clone: Shadow version of Sub-Zero's Ice Clone but with the effects of Shadow Blast; comes out a bit slower than Sub-Zero's Ice Clone
Clone Throw: His move from MKT; hits high; Noob sends a clone to run towards the opponent to grab then toss back him/her into the air to allow for juggle hits; has pretty good recovery
Teleport Slam: His MKT move; hits high, teleports Noob to the other side, grabs the opponent and slams them, causing a pop up effect; comes out quickly but the recovery time can put him in risk of being vulnerable
Darkness: Name of his invisibility move in MKD; this Darkness move is different than the one in MKD; basically, Noob will channel his dark energy to darken the arena, making it tricky to fight in
Smoke
Primary costume: MKD alt
Alternate costume: MKD primary
Fighting style: Mi Tzu Chuan (Rice Ancestor Fist)
Special Moves
Stinky Cloud: His move from MKD; Smoke slides back while blasting smoke in front of him; if the opponent gets caught in the smoke, he/she will be vulnerable to Smoke for a short amount of time
Smokeycut: His Teleport Uppercut; Smoke goes into the ground then pops back up, launching the opponent into the air; hits mid
Smokey Invisibility: His invisibility move from MK3 - MKT; turns himself invisible

Sorry i couldn't give you dragon points, because of a few minor flaws!
1. Noob Saibot's Trilogy Teleport Slam sucks! I want better animation. If his teleport slam returns
2. Noob Saibot's Monkey Style! I hate that fighting style with a passion! But thats my opinion!
3. Where the **** are the weapons for these characters?! Oh wait! You must be talking about Noob-Smoke! Pssh!

1. I think Noob Saibot's Teleport Slam from MKT is fine as it is.
2. I think Monkey suits him. I chose Tall Monkey, one of the 5 forms of Monkey Kung Fu, for Noob Saibot because of his height and body type since Tall Monkey is a long-ranged Northern Chinese martial art for taller, longer limbed people such as Noob. Giving Noob Saibot Ninjutsu (btw, you'd have to specify which Ryu. Even then, I don't think it suits him for reasons I had already stated.) would make him into a bad stereotype. I mean, he's already bad enough as it is with the all-black thing and the shuriken throwing. His origins were of those of a Lin Kuei warrior assassin, not a Shinobi no Mono.
3. Like I said in one of the posts, I couldn't really think of a good second style for the characters. I had thought of Fan Zi Quan for Noob and Tien Shan Pai for Smoke, but I wasn't 100% sure on those choices. I thought I had already made it clear that I want Noob and Smoke to be separate in terms of gameplay.
Please actually try to look at things carefully. About things like the Teleport Slam and the fighting style for Noob, I'm pretty sure we already agreed to disagree. I made my reasons for the choices I made which I feel were valid enough. I'd at least like to see a valid reason from you as to why Noob should use Ninjutsu.

Note: I don't strongly believe that Noob Saibot should have the ninjitsu, but nor should he have monkey style either.
In my thread i did mention other styles i'd like for him, that he couldve used.
Monkey in MY opinion is more suit for characters like Liu Kang and Shujinko.
Again!
The Trilogy Teleport Slam sucks! If he gets a Teleport Slam, it best be re-vamped.
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06/24/2006 06:47 AM (UTC)
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1)noob should retain his old ghostly projectile
2)smoke should retain his old harpoon
3)noob smoke must be separated again...
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