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10/08/2011 03:54 AM (UTC)
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
Lurker_of_Rapture Wrote:
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Ugly and uninspired character designs and names, slow and mediocre looking gameplay, boring music and over the top cheesy violent finishers... This must be the baddest Mortal Kombat rip-off I have ever seen.

Where's the originality?


Even worse that Tattoo Assassins? LOL That video proved this game looks promising despite some setbacks.


Back then, there were clones of popular fighting games EN MASSE! And not just of Mortal Kombat... But in day and age, companies should know better than to make some degraded clone of a game and try to make it seem original when in the end it's just a bad rip-off.

So yes, I consider this worse.


Difference is that this is a foreign indie company making their first game who want this game to bring back how people felt during the 80's so by saying they are a rip-off, you must proved they did right.


I fail to see how that is a good thing though. Because I don't see it as a good thing. Foreign indie company or not, at least try and be original or die out with the rest of them.


This game is a call-back to how the 80's were and everything about this game shows it. No matter what I say, I think you'll hate it, but I respect your opinion, just like I think that Freddy Krueger is one of the better characters in MK9 and hope Jason gets the same treatment.wink
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10/08/2011 03:57 AM (UTC)
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Lurker_of_Rapture Wrote:
This game is a call-back to how the 80's were and everything about this game shows it. No matter what I say, I think you'll hate it, but I respect your opinion, just like I think that Freddy Krueger is one of the better characters in MK9 and hope Jason gets the same treatment.wink


I generally find it a bad choice to begin with. Both with this game and with the whole Freddy Krueger in MK thing... And I really hope NRS have sense enough in their heads to not give Jason an appearance in MK, not even just for fun. But that's a discussion for a whole other topic.
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10/08/2011 03:59 AM (UTC)
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Ugly and uninspired character designs and names, slow and mediocre looking gameplay, boring music and over the top cheesy violent finishers... This must be exactly like MK Deadly Alliance, MK Deception, and MK Armageddon




Something like that, yeah.


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10/08/2011 04:00 AM (UTC)
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jack4813 Wrote:
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
Ugly and uninspired character designs and names, slow and mediocre looking gameplay, boring music and over the top cheesy violent finishers... This must be exactly like MK Deadly Alliance, MK Deception, and MK Armageddon




Something like that, yeah.




You're so clever, changing the words in the quotation of my post...

/sarcasm
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10/08/2011 04:08 AM (UTC)
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jack4813 Wrote:
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
Ugly and uninspired character designs and names, slow and mediocre looking gameplay, boring music and over the top cheesy violent finishers... This must be exactly like MK Deadly Alliance, MK Deception, and MK Armageddon




Something like that, yeah.




I agree. While they weren't terrible games, they weren't exactly masterpieces either and yet some people never choose to acknowledge anything wrong with them. Yet when a new company makes a game that has similar properties to those games, the hate horde just descends at ridiculous levels on this poor company. Maybe some pent up rage at a new target?
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10/08/2011 04:16 AM (UTC)
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Lurker_of_Rapture Wrote:
jack4813 Wrote:
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
Ugly and uninspired character designs and names, slow and mediocre looking gameplay, boring music and over the top cheesy violent finishers... This must be exactly like MK Deadly Alliance, MK Deception, and MK Armageddon




Something like that, yeah.




I agree. While they weren't terrible games, they weren't exactly masterpieces either and yet some people never choose to acknowledge anything wrong with them. Yet when a new company makes a game that has similar properties to those games, the hate horde just descends at ridiculous levels on this poor company. Maybe some pent up rage at a new target?


Oh, there were definately flaws with those MK games. Going full 3D was a bad choice made by the MK team, in my opinion. I liked the character designs in those games, but gameplay wise, they were lesser games.

I still find Death Cargo to be even lesser, concluded from what we have seen so far.
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10/08/2011 04:24 AM (UTC)
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I think they should not go further with this game, they're just wasting their time.
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10/08/2011 04:27 AM (UTC)
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It better get ported to consoles. That's all I'm going to say.
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10/08/2011 04:30 AM (UTC)
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I think they should not go further with this game, they're just wasting their time.


This.

Cancel Death Cargo and start over, trying to come up with some original ideas to make the game unique in some ways and... for the Lords' sake, come up with some better character names and designs...
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10/08/2011 04:36 AM (UTC)
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I think they should go further with this game, they're just winning their time.


This.

They should continue and work on making improvements to make all the haters into fans. Let's face it, no amount of hate is going to change anything about this game and trolling them only makes you look like an utter troll.
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10/08/2011 04:42 AM (UTC)
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Lurker_of_Rapture Wrote:
GodlyShinnok Wrote:
I think they should go further with this game, they're just winning their time.


This.

They should continue and work on making improvements to make all the haters into fans. Let's face it, no amount of hate is going to change anything about this game and trolling them only makes you look like an utter troll.


I can't believe how clever people are to change the words when quoting someone. Oh the intelligence lying behind it, so utterly amusing...

/sarcasm

Lurker, if you like games like this one, then that is completely alright. There's nothing wrong with that, you have your opinion about it, like I have mine about it and others have theirs. But at least see it for what it is... A non-original rip-off with some fancy gore-graphics.
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10/08/2011 04:51 AM (UTC)
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
Lurker_of_Rapture Wrote:
GodlyShinnok Wrote:
I think they should go further with this game, they're just winning their time.


This.

They should continue and work on making improvements to make all the haters into fans. Let's face it, no amount of hate is going to change anything about this game and trolling them only makes you look like an utter troll.


I can't believe how clever people are to change the words when quoting someone. Oh the intelligence lying behind it, so utterly amusing...

/sarcasm

Lurker, if you like games like this one, then that is completely alright. There's nothing wrong with that, you have your opinion about it, like I have mine about it and others have theirs. But at least see it for what it is... A non-original rip-off with some fancy gore-graphics.


I have nothing against your opinion, it's just that I'm trying to prevent people from trolling this company like they murdered their families or something. If you look around 2 pages back, you see some people being proud of leaving troll comments and acting like they're the innocents when they get banned. I respect your opinion but please try not to troll them.
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10/08/2011 04:58 AM (UTC)
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Lurker_of_Rapture Wrote:
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
Lurker_of_Rapture Wrote:
GodlyShinnok Wrote:
I think they should go further with this game, they're just winning their time.


This.

They should continue and work on making improvements to make all the haters into fans. Let's face it, no amount of hate is going to change anything about this game and trolling them only makes you look like an utter troll.


I can't believe how clever people are to change the words when quoting someone. Oh the intelligence lying behind it, so utterly amusing...

/sarcasm

Lurker, if you like games like this one, then that is completely alright. There's nothing wrong with that, you have your opinion about it, like I have mine about it and others have theirs. But at least see it for what it is... A non-original rip-off with some fancy gore-graphics.


I have nothing against your opinion, it's just that I'm trying to prevent people from trolling this company like they murdered their families or something. If you look around 2 pages back, you see some people being proud of leaving troll comments and acting like they're the innocents when they get banned. I respect your opinion but please try not to troll them.


Oh lords no, it's just a game. I can just choose not to buy it... which is exactly what I will do. However, I was just stating my opinion about it, that's all. I would never consider trolling them, that's just utter stupidity.

But like those who are hating on the game, those praising it can be just as bad. For example, I posted my opinion about the game in youtube, and I was immediately called an idiot by someone claiming to be the one behind the MK Project mugen game (not saying he isn't, but I have no proof of it), just because of my negative opinion about it.

Rather childish, really. There's no need for such moronic behaviour, but knowing how the internet works, people are generally behaving moronic towards people who don't share their opinion about something.

It's rather sad, really...
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10/08/2011 05:00 AM (UTC)
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
Lurker_of_Rapture Wrote:
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
Lurker_of_Rapture Wrote:
Jaded-Raven Wrote:
Ugly and uninspired character designs and names, slow and mediocre looking gameplay, boring music and over the top cheesy violent finishers... This must be the baddest Mortal Kombat rip-off I have ever seen.

Where's the originality?


Even worse that Tattoo Assassins? LOL That video proved this game looks promising despite some setbacks.


Back then, there were clones of popular fighting games EN MASSE! And not just of Mortal Kombat... But in day and age, companies should know better than to make some degraded clone of a game and try to make it seem original when in the end it's just a bad rip-off.

So yes, I consider this worse.


Difference is that this is a foreign indie company making their first game who want this game to bring back how people felt during the 80's so by saying they are a rip-off, you must proved they did right.


I fail to see how that is a good thing though. Because I don't see it as a good thing. Foreign indie company or not, at least try and be original or die out with the rest of them.
I have to agree with this. Indie company or not, It's either go big or go home.
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10/08/2011 05:33 AM (UTC)
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This game doenst look like a Mk rip-off. The game may be inspired by the violent nature of MK, but that really doesn't make it a clone. Art style, music, character design, and plot (what I've read of it) seem very different. Only thing that looks somewhat borrowed is fatalities....but Mk isnt the only game that's has finishers.
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10/08/2011 06:01 AM (UTC)
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kingjolly Wrote:
This game doenst look like a Mk rip-off. The game may be inspired by the violent nature of MK, but that really doesn't make it a clone. Art style, music, character design, and plot (what I've read of it) seem very different. Only thing that looks somewhat borrowed is fatalities....but Mk isnt the only game that's has finishers.


True, this game looks like a rip-off of many fighting games, now that I look at it... Plasma looks like K' from King of Fighters who have gotten one too many kicks in the face. Leach looks like a slimy version of Hulk mated with Hugo from Street Fighter 3. The gameplay even looks like it's coming from those games...

My apologies for saying it looks like a rip-off of just MK. My bad...
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GlockXIII
10/09/2011 03:21 AM (UTC)
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When they say copyright review, does that mean they're in trouble with licensing or are they copyrighting the IP or characters?
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10/09/2011 03:58 AM (UTC)
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Jaded-Raven Wrote:
kingjolly Wrote:
This game doenst look like a Mk rip-off. The game may be inspired by the violent nature of MK, but that really doesn't make it a clone. Art style, music, character design, and plot (what I've read of it) seem very different. Only thing that looks somewhat borrowed is fatalities....but Mk isnt the only game that's has finishers.


True, this game looks like a rip-off of many fighting games, now that I look at it... Plasma looks like K' from King of Fighters who have gotten one too many kicks in the face. Leach looks like a slimy version of Hulk mated with Hugo from Street Fighter 3. The gameplay even looks like it's coming from those games...

My apologies for saying it looks like a rip-off of just MK. My bad...


And every FPS is a ripoff of Mazewar right?

It's a fighting game.... it is a fighting game that is debuting late into the history of fighting games.... Of course it is going to look like various other fighting games that have been around for a while.

While I am not trying to say that this game is 100% original, you are giving it such a negative attitude. I think it is somewhat of a good thing that they are trying to take positive elements from all of these different games and combine them. While the result looks iffy as of now, it is still nice to see that someone is trying (although these damn demo delays say otherwise) to make a good new fighting series.

Sure some of there original ideas (mainly some of the characters) suck, but like I said, it is a new series and if this game does fine and they decide to make another one... I am sure they will have some direction on character ideas based on the feedback they get on which characters are enjoyed by people.

Regarding the release of character themes, sure MK and other games have done it before but if I step away from that and just listen to the music for well...... the music itself, it is actually pretty good.It is music that I can relate to the character from what I know about them so far. The MK themes were pretty far off from perfect (Except for reptile's) so it's not like we are comparing them to the holy grail.

Believe me, I don't think this game looks great or perfect, but it is nice to see that someone is trying.
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10/09/2011 04:58 AM (UTC)
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I just don't get this game. Of course every game has some element of other games, but I just don't get this game at all. I will say that I don't like this, I haven't liked a lot of stuff for various reasons and I want to state it just to get it off my chest finally... Because I've been doing that twice on Facebook now and I feel that since no one really knows that game there and this site does... you get the picture.

Their story I felt I've heard about it before where weapons are now inside human beings and everything is fucked up from there. The characters I just felt like they could have done so much better when creating them, like with Nova. It's like they just planted a gas mask on some chick wearing a shirt that's not buttoned all of the way. I can see where they're heading off with these characters, they're not trying their best to make them original.

The music is okay, I'll give them credit for having decent music, but as I stated before, that's not going to get them very far with success if they're relying on that.

It would have been nice if they would have uploaded a lot of stuff on their site rather than Youtube. Yeah it's different to see a company rely on that site to give off feedback, but honestly I feel that half their employees are users themselves and praises the game like it's no tomorrow and that anyone against it gets bashed by them. I can say this because it's odd that someone who was arguing about my opinions on Youtube happened to write exactly like them where there's typos and their English was not perfect. Even some of the stuff the guy was saying made me feel in a way that I was talking to an employee rather than a fan. No one would defend the crap out of a game that's in pre-production, that makes no sense... Unless it had another game that came out and its a sequel of it or whatever... it makes no sense.

And the true reason why this game made it clear that I really shouldn't like it, is Johanna herself. I'm sorry, I understand that this company is brand new in making video games, but you do NOT go onto various sites and start bashing every critical comment that you read. That is NOT what game companies do. You don't defy our site's rules to follow your own rule and get things off your chest after someone makes a measly little negative comment about it. Yes, it's an odd reason to not like this game, and yes, if Boon started to come on here and start bashing everyone that was against something, I would lose immediate respect for the guy and the game itself. I feel that is poor and a disappointing thing to do for your game.

Sure, people are going to not like half or even more of the stuff I had to say about the game. I'm not making an ass of myself on Youtube because I don't troll, I don't find any humor in degrading myself and making unnecessary comments that seems like I'm some kid who's losing it in WoW or whatever... It's just that this game really doesn't have anything to like from my perspective unless they really do something better. Even the finishing moves I feel are just not even great becuase it's all about how much gore we can fit in... That's just... It just loses its intensity with those kinds of finishers. I mean, before I started disliking it to where I was just indifferent, I was intimidated by some of the stuff I was seeing. Plasma was really a "WTF" moment for me when I first saw the character. But with these finishers... They're just over exposing stuff that no game would probably go or is a step underneath it... Too much gore is just... not pleasantly interesting to see anymore.
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10/09/2011 05:05 AM (UTC)
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Keep in mind that you should first judge the character by backstory.

They're using real people for the models, and if they don't have a lot of money, their initial ideas for characters may not have been able to be fully realised on a small budget.
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10/09/2011 05:34 AM (UTC)
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Wow at all the loathing and debating in this thread lol.

All I have to say is that even though I see Death Cargo as a poorly animated piece of throw up, at least it's doing it in a style that's been long abandoned.

I also have to say that at least these people are making a game. If any of us went forth with whatever ideas and concepts we have in our heads, we would generate our own little club of haters too. But that's not to say we won't get fans if we tried.
All I'm saying is that it's their first try despite being a shitty one. Let's wait till it's complete and then let fly with the spectacular criticism.
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10/09/2011 07:00 AM (UTC)
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GuardiaXIV Wrote:
Wow at all the loathing and debating in this thread lol.

All I have to say is that even though I see Death Cargo as a poorly animated piece of throw up, at least it's doing it in a style that's been long abandoned.

I also have to say that at least these people are making a game. If any of us went forth with whatever ideas and concepts we have in our heads, we would generate our own little club of haters too. But that's not to say we won't get fans if we tried.
All I'm saying is that it's their first try despite being a shitty one. Let's wait till it's complete and then let fly with the spectacular criticism.
I'm actually working on a game myself, and I have to say, I'm not really liking the game design choices they're making.

Like the Death Rips for example. Having to film and enhance that for each character must have been a huge chore.

And for what, they're not even well made. They could've just done a Fatality rip off instead.
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10/09/2011 07:46 AM (UTC)
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I agree with you about the Deathrips. Normally I applaud taking the hard way to get something new, but in this case their trying to hard to be all realistic that it looks so dumb and cheesy. I think it would have been an improvement if they took the easy way out and did Fatality ripoffs.
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10/09/2011 06:53 PM (UTC)
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Still reserving judgement until I can actually play something. The new-ish demo video on their site shows some pretty significant improvements over that first-demo build they released.

I actually dig the ridiculous art style, over-the-top violence, and music score. It's sort of celebrating the campy sci-fi/horror genre. I think a lot of MKO users here seem to be missing the point with the project. It's SUPPOSED to be a bit ridiculous. It's like watching the movie "Killer Clowns from Outer Space" and getting pissed off that it's not "The Shawshank Redemption".

From a technical gameplay standpoint, the game still has a "stiff" feel to the animation so that's a bit concerning but again, until I can actually play something I'm reserving judgement.
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10/12/2011 02:01 PM (UTC)
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"Already exist movie-like intro sequence befor the fight, and Short Interactive movie sequence for the story mode. But mostly features in story mode are extra playable content with different gameplay, like side scrolling fighter. For example there are stages where you have to fight using your character against many unplayable monster, like in Final fight.
"MOVIE ENDING" and "in between fights" can NOT be produced for many reasons: realization cost, disk space (the game already need 2 dvd space) realization time, etc etc.
Maybe we could take in consideration, after the game release and seeing the fans response, to produce a movie, related to the game. But it's soon to say this.

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