Awesome shit right there Capcom.....and Spidey is welcome too!..................................... Both Spidey and Wesker trailers in one vid

I don't see what every body is having a collective period over. Characters that have been announced thus far are either replacements for characters from the past, or new characters entirely. X-23 replaces Psylocke, Dormammu replaces Blackheart and Magneto, Thor replaces Juggernaut, and Viewtiful Joe replaces Servebot. Let's also keep in mind that half the MVC2 roster was completely uselesss, and the only reason they could have so many characters was because they just reused the sprites and attacks from older games. Also, I'm sure if they just kept bringing back old characters, people would complain "Why doesn't Capcom do something new for a change? Waaaaaaa!".

Being that Psylocke has so much more artistic merit than X-23, she should have
had priority. Though I still think she has a good chance of showing up.



Well, since complaining is inevitable, wouldn't it make sense just to make the most definitive and fan-pleasing roster as possible with a reasonable amount of new blood?

Something also tells me X-23 was Marvel's call anyway. I don't think Capcom would have gone with that choice if they didn't have to.

Actually at this moment I'd say X-23 looks more like a combination of Cammy (fast/rushdown as fuck, cannon drill/dive kick low otg, cannon drill super with Juri's flip kicks, dp ) and a little bit of Ruby Heart, Dudley and Bone-Wolverine (multi-directional charge, back-step slash, low assist). So yeah, at this point I'd say she's pretty much her own character. And that's not even mentioning her projectile ducking dash and invisibility super, which are completely unique to her character.


Conclusion: X-23 is fine so just get over it.


Edit: Also, Capcom is not at fault for X-23 being in this game. Marvel made it happen because the debut of X-23's new series was released a couple of days ago.

She has one of the worse designs of any Capcom crossover game. There were so many better choices.

Worse than Norimaro?

Well then good thing I'm playing a fighting game for the fighting and not the petty anesthetics.

My gosh.

If your argument is, "artistic value has no purpose to me, so X-23's blandness is permissible," than I'm not here to tell you differently.

For those who do believe literary and artistic value are important to a fighting game, I still argue that X-23 is a wasted slot.

And I agree that X-23's appearance is mediocre at best. But her potential gameplay has a lot more artistic value to me than whatever her-or any other Marvel character-story or appearance has.

If I want proper characterization and literary merit I'll read a book. I play fighting games for the "game" part. I don't play them for the fan-service.



Edit: I'm stupid and spelled "aesthetics" as "anesthetics." I don't play fighting games for the pain relieving quality of them!

Eh, that's like comparing apples and Norimaro.


But couldn't gameplay, at least in theory, be distributed to any character? I know it would seem strange seeing Zangief doing rushdowns and berserker barrages, but it's conceivable. That's why I think any benefit X-23 brings to show could be transferred to another character so long as the character meets the same conceptual requirements (ex: speed, range, similar animations).

As for the artistic issue, it's difficult to explain exactly how it factors into the gameplay, but in a way it does. I think of video games as interactive art, like a gorgeous painting that you can manipulate and immerse yourself into.

You're right. It's really not even a matter of theory. But of all the things that are wrong with the current build of MvC3 people choose to complain about it is X-23's look. To me the appearance of a character is a mere after thought in comparison to the much, much bigger problems this game has. I know you're not particularly fond of MvC2 so I'll ask you this:

Would you rather have your dream roster in the MvC2 engine or a so-so roster in an improved engine like MvC3 is supposed to be?

That's problem I have with all this. The flaws of MvC2 that have carried over to MvC3 are being ignored in favor of inconsequential things. People aren't going to be complaining about X-23 in the following months; there going to be complaining about the safe runaway and invisible mix-ups.

I'm no longer disappointed about X-23 because from what I saw in her trailer she has the potential to be a better rushdown character than even Wolverine. So I'm over that. She's proved herself to me.

But you also have to understand I have never really been into any Marvel characters. When I first saw Psylocke and Cable I wasn't very impressed. It was their playstyle that made me love them.

Different strokes for different folks.

I still want Black Panther & Ronin in...

X-23 beings no benefit. You're absolutely right.
She'd be readily replaced by any other close-quarters character. Any reason to put her in is easily replaced by a better, more interesting option. If it's as simple as having a close quarters, slashy mcslash female fighter with speed and agility, Elektra would've been an obvious choice. Especially given how unlikely it is for Daredevil to show up.

I don't know that I'd look for Psylocke. We've got a lot of returning characters and the fixation on X-Men was borderline redundant in MVC2, let alone now, when the movies are in the bottoms of bargain bins and the comics have spent a decade in the toilet.

Marvel and Capcom stated that they wanted characters that were big or important in comics and their games at the moment. X-23 just finished her run in the X-Force comic, she's going to be part of the new X-Force, and she now has her own ongoing series. So yes, having her in the game is a marketing move on Marvel's part, that's still no reason to hate on a perfectly good character though.


Well, since complaining is inevitable, wouldn't it make sense just to make the most definitive and fan-pleasing roster as possible with a reasonable amount of new blood?
That seems to be the case anyway with half the roster being returning characters, and half the roster being new ones. Hulk, Spider-man, Wolverine, Iron Man, Captain America, Dr. Doom, Ryu, Felicia, Morigan, Chun-Li. That's 10 out of 22 characters that have been in an older game. If you want to count Viewtiful Joe from TVC, that makes it 11. Right now, that's half the current roster.

That's completely misleading. A couple of low selling series (the second being a relaunch) and (...are you sure that's a solo on-going?...) do not equate to any degree of significance. I refuse to think this is any more a marketting stunt than throwing a Sentinel or Shuma-Gorath in MVC2, or Super-Skrull or Dormammu in. Just a very unfortunate wacky pick.

The only reason they threw Sentinel or Shuma-Gorath into MVC2 is because they already had sprites made for them back from Marvel Super Heroes and X-Men: Children of the Atom. It's the only reason that most of the characters in MVC2 showed up, because through the entirety of the VS series, those characters had sprites made for them. I wish I could find the interview that basically said they wanted to use characters that were popular now or had some significance on the Marvel end. I think it was during Capcom's Captivate'10 event after they first showed of MVC3.

I can't help but think you've completely missed the point. Granted, it was a poor choice of reference. I believe that there might be a leaning toward more significant characters, that's fine. X-23 isn't one, that's all.

Fuck yes, Wesker.

Yeah, but if Marvel gets to decide what characters get put in on their side of the roster, they might want to push X-23 because of what's going on with the character right now in the comics. I mean, I can't help but feel that part of the reason Deadpool made into the game was because his popularity is pretty high at the moment, so Marvel might want to market him.

In my opinion, if they wanted to add a female character who wasn't in the past games I would rather have seen...just off the top of my head...someone like Ms. Marvel or Black Widow or even the aforementioned Elektra. If you want to go for a more obscure character, maybe Medusa.

Any of those characters, would fulfill a similar gameplay role as speed based, close-quarters characters. And in my opinion, they'd probably offer more interesting special moves. Not to mention all four are more relevant from a story/importance perspective. Even Medusa.
And added bonus, none of them are affiliated with the X-Men.

I think if anything, they should've left X-23 for DLC....assuming there will be.


Just my two cents.

I think you're comparing apples and rotten eggs, there, though.
Obviously it's much more reasonable to expect all parties involved to want to include a character who's built up a lot of cache with this demographic over the last ten years. From what I've heard, Marvel are only approving and suggesting choices based on Capcom's direction.

Which is really just a long way of saying, I'm not sure there's any really good reason or argument for X-23. There might be some crossover traction by way of the fact that kids of a certain age cared about X-Men Evolution, but otherwise, she's a reasonably unpopular remnant of a forgotten irrelevance in the grand scheme of things. I don't know if the equate to the same goals, but like XiaoDuhn points out, even Black Widow (Iron Man 2, upcoming Avengers) or... well, uh... There were certainly other, more palatable characters to choose from. Fortunately for the rest of the industry, the X-titles haven't ruled the roost for a good decade.

Gameplay footage from TGS with Spiderman,Wesker,X-23 and Tron bonne.

Here


Also,more character reveal coming in october.

Needs Mr. Sinister

Since Wesker has been announced, all I want now is to see if Ken or Guile make it

Ken = probably not; Akuma has a better chance, though likely will not be in
Guile = why would you want charge characters in a marvel vs game? they suck big time.