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ZeroSymbolic7188

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•02/17/2012 04:45 PM (UTC) •

I do not understand why evolution is such a big issue, because I do not understand how it influences policy.

Someone shine a light for me?

McHotcakes

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•02/17/2012 04:47 PM (UTC) •

Yeah I'm more of Dennis Kucinich kind of guy myself.

(Erik)

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•02/17/2012 04:51 PM (UTC) •

ZeroSymbolic7188 Wrote:
I do not understand why evolution is such a big issue, because I do not understand how it influences policy.

Someone shine a light for me?

For me it's because of what it represents. Denouncing well established science is a bad sign in a political candidate for me. In this case, a lack of belief in evolution is usually attributable to a strong belief in religion. And I just can't be supportive of someone who throws away science for mythology.

In other cases, denouncing scientific research, like global warming, is yet another sign I can't support a candidate. I dislike every candidate that wants to take down our environmental protection services.

ZeroSymbolic7188

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•02/17/2012 05:07 PM (UTC) •

(Erik) Wrote:

ZeroSymbolic7188 Wrote:
I do not understand why evolution is such a big issue, because I do not understand how it influences policy.

Someone shine a light for me?

I see where your coming from. As a Christian, I do look for a candidate with with a moral code similar to my own. However, I do not think that I would be opposed to an atheistic president provided his policy was solid. I suppose it's just not that important of an issue for me.

StatueofLiberty

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•02/17/2012 07:02 PM (UTC) •

Ron Paul opposes the Civil Rights Act, opposes the Americans With Disabilities Act, opposes federal safety regulations, opposes Medicare and Medicaid, opposes Welfare, opposed the Emergency Unemployment Compensation Act, opposes public education, opposes all foreign aid (fuck you Haiti), and in general just doesn't like any regulations on private industry. Then there's all the other rubbish about the elimination of the Federal Reserve and going back to the gold standard, climate change, etc.

I understand why some people find Paul's conviction endearing and all, but he is a tremendously stupid politician and the few good ideas he has don't make up for the multitude of shitastic ones.

And fuck those racist-ass news letters. MLK was ten times the man Paul and that spanker Lew Rockwell could ever hope to be.
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I think the Libertarian you're looking for might be Noam Chomsky.
Just sayin'.

Espio872 Wrote:
Because pessimism has solved so many of the problems of the world right? Hope is what keeps the human spirit strong and innovative.

For once I kinda agree with Chrome. Pessimism isn't inherently bad and is a pretty valuable tool when used proper. Like NOT voting for Obama's second term because this time he won't let those mean, obstructionist Republicans get in the way of his penetrating change-rocket. It's a delicate balance between the two. I mean, that's a really lazy, milquetoast way for me to put it, but...you know...effort.

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•02/17/2012 11:09 PM (UTC) •

Whatever speeds the loss of the USA influence abroad its borders is fine with me.

The bipolar world has ended, and a schisophrenic superpower which cannot do anything with itself and is in massive debts is rather a construct I would not allow to exist further.

Things are changing, the Arab Spring, the financial crisis, the struggling of the once-superpower constituents of the EU, euroscepticism and the schism from the original idea of the EU, the prominence of the clay dragon that is China growing...

Think about this: what role should the USA play in a resource scarce world, where the middle class is slowly dying out thanks to multiconglomerates and companies? There is no superpower that is ideologically so atagonistic such as nazism and stalinism. Conflict with China is unaffordable to the USA.

Prolonged war with terrorism has been fruitless, direct war could lead to from systematic invasions to nuking Mecca and pissing off the good portion of Muslims. Oil runs out. Once that is done, the MIddle East is gone, and the US economy will be hit harder than ever before. In face of such concerns Democrat or Republican is a no-brainer non-problem.

What do you people want to do with yourself?

StatueofLiberty

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•02/17/2012 11:38 PM (UTC) •

Would like to clarify that cutting foreign aid in the form of relief efforts is what I find deplorable about Ron Paul. "Foreign aid" with the express purpose of expanding our spheres of influence and American acts of imperialism in general, can fuck right off.
And lol at the scapegoating of illegal immigrants.

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•02/18/2012 12:19 PM (UTC) •

I like Ron Paul because he's crazy. lol

I'd never vote for him though.

And besides all the bitchy bitching (I have some complaints too), Barack's doing it right. One issue after another, over time. Money/Banks, War, Auto Industry, Real Estate, Social issues....repeat, and dig into the sub categories of each until positive yields are everywhere.

If he gets the second term (which I think he probably will), and considering how progressive this administration is, I don't think there's going to be a big issue left to negatively criticize him on. It'll just be a "whether you like the style of this administration or not" kind of debate.

Call me cautiously optimistic at this point. I like what I'm seeing.

StatueofLiberty

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•02/18/2012 03:01 PM (UTC) •

ThePredator151 Wrote:

And besides all the bitchy bitching (I have some complaints too), Barack's doing it right.

I'm not going to try and derail Zero's thread too hard, but characterizing the many, very legitimate grievances with Obama's abhorrent administration as "bitchy bitching", really marginalizes how detrimental its been to the general welfare of both American citizens and those abroad. That's all I'll say for now.

FlamingTP

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•02/19/2012 09:08 AM (UTC) •

ZeroSymbolic7188 Wrote:
I do not understand why evolution is such a big issue, because I do not understand how it influences policy.

Someone shine a light for me?

You dont seem to me to be one of those extreme christians, however being a christian I am sure you have walked among them quite often.

The answer is simple: Hardcore Christians VOTE, by the MILLIONS. They are so determined to get Charlie Church in the white house they will do anything to get him/her there.

They forget the Christ's explicit teachings NOT to shove his word down the throats of people who don't want to hear it.

Preach the word in hopes that all nations would bare disciples yes. Keep bothering everyone else no.

But they vote, and no one is more motivated to vote than they are. I truly believe in my heart NO politician believes in God in any true sense. But they sure as hell will try as hard as they can to make you believe they do. Beware the man with the silver tongue.

mkreptile8860

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•02/19/2012 06:56 PM (UTC) •

Lol nothings gonna change the Us is DooMed

Zmoke

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•02/19/2012 08:40 PM (UTC) •

Barack Obama is the way to go. It's almost certain that he will be there for both terms. It's more like a rule in USA to have each president stay for both terms. Come on, George W. Bush went for the second term. And now we're talking about Obama! As Nicolas Sarkozy said, giving up with the presidency now during such a tough time would be like a ship captain saying "I quit" in a miserable storm. Ron Paul is original, appealing to wide audiences, but not the right guy for the time and crises at hand really.

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•02/21/2012 11:50 PM (UTC) •

ThePredator151 Wrote:

If he gets the second term (which I think he probably will),

That's pretty much a given if the GOP can't produce someone more likeable than Romney, Santorum, or Gingrich (which they won't).

Romney is John Kerry v2.0...
and that's not going to work any better this time around.

Gingrich and Santorum are just too damned religious
(or act that part, at least).
There'll be a few states with enough Christian nutjobs
(not to be confused with normal Christians) to vote for them,
but even a moderate state would shy away from a candidate as blatantly pro-life or anti-evolution as those two.

They're pandering to the extreme religious right because that's the only way they'll get any significant percentage of votes.
But they're also shooting themselves in the foot when it comes to more moderate voters (AKA- the majority).
Let their dishonesty be their downfall, I say.

Obama may have promised more than he delivered
(similar to, oh, EVERY PRESIDENT EVER),
but at least he didn't cheat on TWO terminally ill wives.
The fact Gingrich can still run a campaign despite that makes me ashamed to be American.

StatueofLiberty

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•02/22/2012 01:21 AM (UTC) •

drpvfx Wrote:

Obama may have promised more than he delivered
(similar to, oh, EVERY PRESIDENT EVER)...

Most functionally literate voters know this and it has no bearing on the failures/misdeeds of his administration or any others in the past.

drpvfx Wrote:

...but at least he didn't cheat on TWO terminally ill wives.
The fact Gingrich can still run a campaign despite that makes me ashamed to be American.

You also ought to be ashamed of our president, whose increased use of drones have killed scores of innocent men, woman, and children in countries we have no business being in.

Espio872

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•02/22/2012 01:47 AM (UTC) •

StatueofLiberty Wrote:
Ron Paul opposes the Civil Rights Act, opposes the Americans With Disabilities Act, opposes federal safety regulations, opposes Medicare and Medicaid, opposes Welfare, opposed the Emergency Unemployment Compensation Act, opposes public education, opposes all foreign aid (fuck you Haiti), and in general just doesn't like any regulations on private industry. Then there's all the other rubbish about the elimination of the Federal Reserve and going back to the gold standard, climate change, etc.

I understand why some people find Paul's conviction endearing and all, but he is a tremendously stupid politician and the few good ideas he has don't make up for the multitude of shitastic ones.

And fuck those racist-ass news letters. MLK was ten times the man Paul and that spanker Lew Rockwell could ever hope to be.
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Espio872 Wrote:
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I think the Libertarian you're looking for might be Noam Chomsky.
Just sayin'.

Espio872 Wrote:
Because pessimism has solved so many of the problems of the world right? Hope is what keeps the human spirit strong and innovative.

I'm not a major supporter of Ron Pau, just to be clear, I don't agree with a lot of his things, and I don't know how I feel about his chances, but I like him better than all his other Republican counterparts, that's an improvement, but ehhh...

As for Noam Chomsky, that's my man right there, my libertarian principles are very moderate, I'm definitely not opposed to reasonable regulations or any of those acts. I've been following a lot of his stuff and aside from Ron Paul's thoughts on U.S. non-aggression and opposition to unprovoked war, I don't really identify with his thoughts on many other issues, so I suppose you're right. Ron Paul could stand to be a bit more moderate.

I wasn't arguing that pessismism is always bad, but my point still stands, it doesn't solve problems is all I was saying.

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•02/22/2012 02:25 PM (UTC) •

The Ron Paul Campaign is a fantasy.

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•02/22/2012 04:06 PM (UTC) •

Kamionero Wrote:

Kabal20 Wrote:

Illegal immigrants get better benefits than some US citizens.

How so?
I keep hearing people saying this, but what benefits are we talking about?

State education for starters. The governor of Texas(where Ron Paul currently lives) basically passed laws that encourage illegal immigration. An example of this is:

(About the governor Rick Perry) "He signed a bill back in 2001 allowing children of some undocumented immigrants to qualify for in-state tuition for college; the bill was later dubbed the so-called Texas Dream Act for its similarity to federal proposals to give American-born children of undocumented immigrants a pathway to citizenship. Earlier this year he came out against Arizona’s illegal-immigration law, SB 1070."

It's more beneficial financially and educationally to be an illegal in Texas. The illegal population is more focused in that region of the U.S for obvious reasons so it's easier to see the impact there than northern states for example. This leaves all the legal immigrants with no help and the illegal immigrants with all the help. And as legal immigrant there's a major flaw in that policy.(Call me selfish)

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•02/22/2012 06:09 PM (UTC) •

I respect Paul's ideology on foreign policy...I'll say that much.

I was really put off by his continued dismissal of the racist ass newsletters though.

Regardless...I'm voting for Obama...again.

evildevil

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•02/25/2012 01:27 PM (UTC) •

I can't seem to get behind Ron Paul. Might be because I'm too socially liberal, despite agreeing with most of his fiscal policies. I'm a Gary Johnson guy, either way you slice it. Johnson '12!