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07/20/2012 08:54 PM (UTC)
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Eh, it was sudden, but I wouldn't call it a bad death. I liked Catwoman's little remark afterward about not sharing Bruce's no guns policy.

The only thing that bugged me about the movie was it seems like JGL's character should've been named Dick Grayson or Tim Drake. I feel like the only reason in the world that Nolan felt the need to make "Robin" his first name was like he thought "The audience will never get he's supposed to be my version of Robin if I don't spell it out as plainly as I possibly can!"
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07/20/2012 09:14 PM (UTC)
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Nah it was fine the way they played out Robin. He was sort of an amalgam of all the Robins so having him be named after only one of them would seem wrong.
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07/20/2012 09:54 PM (UTC)
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I just really feel like Robin as a proper name is WAY too on the nose. Like literally the only reason to do that is you think the audience is stupid.
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I just really feel like Robin as a proper name is WAY too on the nose. Like literally the only reason to do that is you think the audience is stupid.


They typically are.
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07/20/2012 10:31 PM (UTC)
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SmokeNc-017 Wrote:
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I just really feel like Robin as a proper name is WAY too on the nose. Like literally the only reason to do that is you think the audience is stupid.


They typically are.


Anyone "stupid" isn't going to be able to follow the plot given how all of Bane's speeches are lies to hide his real motives and sometimes you can't even understand what he's saying. So I find it curious that a film whose narrative expects a lot out of the audience's attention span also thinks that
the only way to have a "subtle" wink and nod to the Robin character from the comics in one of the last scenes of the film is to just flat out say Robin is the dude's first name.
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07/20/2012 11:19 PM (UTC)
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Again, Blake was a combinations of all of the Robins, so Nolan didn't want to name him after any single one. I don't think it was about dumbing things down for the audience.


oh and I understood Bane perfectly throughout the movie. He had a ridiculous voice but I didn't think it was too bad. I think Tom Hardy was going for a crazy Gypsy Irish voice
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07/20/2012 11:55 PM (UTC)
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I haven't seen it yet but I will soon, I can't wait but have you guys heard from the shooting in Colorado? It was during the midnight of this very movie. 12 people died sad
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07/21/2012 01:16 AM (UTC)
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I was dissapointed with the whole film, very little i liked about it at all honestly.
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07/21/2012 01:22 AM (UTC)
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Again, Blake was a combinations of all of the Robins


I can see why you'd say that but I don't particularly agree with it.

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My argument would be that Dick is the only Robin the average viewer is familiar with. If you say "Robin" to someone, if they can remember his name, they think Dick Grayson.

In any adaptation, Dick is the first, the best, the only Robin, so all Robins are automatically a take on Dick, unless the show or film is following the comics and already did Dick or has him as Nightwing, and is bringing in Todd or Drake.

So "Robin John Blake" does not come across as "Amalgam-Robin" or "The Ultimate Robin" any moreso than Dick himself actually already is that thing. Like how in the Teen Titans cartoon, they never used their secret IDs, and Robin used a bo staff as his primary weapon like Tim always has in the comics...but everyone knew it was Dick and they'd occasionally give subtle nods to confirm it.

Blake appears to me to be a version of Dick who got some of Jason's origin story because it fits the setting/plot better than circus acrobat would. I don't even see any Tim in him except...what, that he guessed Bruce is Batman? There's also the fact that this guy's whole thing at the end is to be the next Batman and Dick's the only Robin to ever grow up and inherit the cowl.

Though I would've been amused/pleased if Blake's name were Terry McGinnis instead of him being "a Robin". Way, way less people would get the reference though.


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oh and I understood Bane perfectly throughout the movie. He had a ridiculous voice but I didn't think it was too bad. I think Tom Hardy was going for a crazy Gypsy Irish voice


The Bane voice sounded like a Sean Connery impression to me.

I understood it fairly well for most of the film, but any scene where he got long winded - particularly during the scene in between him and Bruce in the prison, and his big speeches at the football field and in front of Blackgate, his words would start blending together, jumbling the middles of whole sentences thanks to the muffle, until I was having trouble figuring out what the hell he just said...which is kind of a problem during an exposition dump.
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So here's my spoiler-rific review of The Dark Knight Rises. While not a full play-by-play of the movie, I'll be covering the major events and set up. Highlight at your own risk or if you've already scene the movie.

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The movie opens up with the first 6 minutes people saw in MI4. The CIA has captured 3 of Bane's men along with a Russian physicist. On board the plane the CIA tries to get the men to talk by threatening to throw them out of the plane when Bane pipes up and his men hijack the plane with some balls tighteningly tense maneuvers. A cadaver swap and a blood transfusion with the Russian doctor later Bane (Tom Hardy) leaves his situation via sky hook while the other plane plummets to the ground.

We find out that 8 years has passed since the end of the Dark Knight. Gotham is relatively at Peace under the Harvey Dent Act and Batman hasn't been seen since the night of Harvey Dent's death having taken the blame. The city's peace has been built on a lie that has been eating Gordon(Gary Oldman) alive. It's cost him his marriage and soon the Mayor plans on retiring Gordon during peace time. Bruce Wayne (Christian Bale) has also become a recluse and hasn't been in the public eye for 8 years.

We get an introduction to Selina Kyle (Anne Hathaway) who posses as a caterer to sneak into Wayne manor during the commemoration ceremony for Harvey Dent that's being held there. She makes off with the pearls/tracking beacon of Bruce's mom and his finger prints but not before a run in with Wayne. She escapes with the prints and a congressman as hostage. Wayne is able to track her and run an ID on her, finding out who she is while being confronted by Alfred who tells him that he's simply alive but not living.

We're introduced to John Blake (Joseph Gordon-Levitt), an idealistic cop who still believes in the Batman and doing the right thing, a white knight a lot like Harvey Dent mixed with Commissioner Gordon. He finds the body of a young man by a waterway and goes to tell his younger brother at the local boy's orphanage. (The one in the trailers)

Skiping forward a bit, Selina Kyle sells Bruce Wayne's finger prints to a man working under a corrupt head at Wayne Industries for something called "Clean Slate", a program that can erase a person's entire history from a data base giving them a second chance. There's a shoot out and the GCPD gets involved resulting in Gordon going down into the sewers and running into Bane who's got a whole construction crew down there doing...something.

The altercation with Bane ends with Gordon being shot and washed down into the sewer system where Blake finds him. Blake goes to Wayne Manor to talk with Bruce and we find out that he's figured out that Wayne is indeed Batman.

Bane initiates a hit on the Gotham Stock Exchange and by using Bruce Wayne's fingerprints he bankrupts the company.

After the attack on the Stock exchange Wayne decides to put on the Bat suit again. However because his body is so utterly torn up he has to use a cybernetic knee brace (every body has one, right?) to help him walk without a cain. Alfred (Michael Cain) strongly opposes Wayne in trying to take on Bane because of his speed, power, and general fighting capacity. Batman would be pushed to his limits at his peak against Bane, now he'd surely be killed.

Wayne has no choice but to appoint a new head for the company and chooses Miranda (Marion Cotillard), who is a supporter of the Free Energy plan that Wayne Industries sank half a fortune into and then cancelled. The Free Energy plan turns out to be a Fusion Reactor, capable of supplying limitless clean energy to the city, but is also capable of being turned into a bomb.

After Wayne is declared completely bankrupt, he finds Selina Kyle, seeing as he's tracked down her apartment with the pearl necklace. He asks her to meet up with Batman and in exchange he'll offer what she wants, a second chance. The two meet down in the subway tunnels under Gotham where Selina sells Batman out to Bane and his men for her own life. Bane not only knows who Batman is but is more than a match for him and does what he was originally designed to do in the comics and breaks Batman over his knee.

He takes him to a prison out in the middle east which is built under ground. The only way to escape is to climb out, which nobody has ever done except for Bane himself. Bane tells Bruce that he will torture him instead of killing him as punishment for crossing the League of Shadows. He will make Batman watch as over the next 5 month Bane proceeds to burn Gotham to the ground.

With Batman gone, Bane proceeds with his plan which starts with the destruction of the Football stadium in the trailers. However we find out that the crew that was working with Bane has been pouring concrete laced with explosives all over the city and with a press of a button, Gotham's streets, stadium and bridges all go up in flames. Getting a hold of the reactor core from earlier, Bane uses the Russian doctor to turn it into an atom bomb and wheels it out to the stadium. He kills the doctor ensuring that there is no way to actually stop the bomb from going off and does it in front of everybody at the stadium. With the police force trapped under the collapsed stadium, Bane frees all the convicts at Black Gate prison who were put there under the Harvey Dent Act and builds his own personal army.

Down in the hole Wayne learns of Bane's origins which (for the most part) are accurate to the comic. He was born in the darkness of the prison, but he also had a protector to help raise him after his mother was brutally raped and killed. Another instance of disbelief where Wayne gets a vertebrae punched into place and a hallucination of Ra's Al Ghul combined with a training Montage Wayne makes his way out of the Prison and back to Gotham a day before the bomb is set to go off.

With the help of Blake, Gordon, Fox and Catwoman Batman frees the cops, and clears a way out of the city for the civilians. Batman has his duel with Bane in the middle of the huge brawl on the courthouse steps before being stabbed in the back by Miranda who we find out is actually Talia Al Ghul and was the one who escaped the prison, not Bane. Bane was her protector but was excommunicated from the League of Shadows because he was turned into a monster that Ra's couldn't accept. (I legit felt bad for Bane here).

Bane is about to kill Batman before he is blown away by a shot from the Batpod and Catwoman (really?)

Batman and Catwoman chase down one of the armored transports that's been keeping the bomb in motion for the past 5 months before finding out that reconnecting the bomb to the reactor is impossible. Batman with his Bat plane makes the heroic sacrifice (or does he?) by flying the bomb into open water and having it blow up safely, choosing not to eject because the auto pilot in the Bat doesn't work. (clearly a plot device when it's first mentioned by Fox earlier in the movie).

With Batman's sacrifice the city is safe. The ones who know who Batman is (Fox, Alfred, Blake, Gordon) have a funeral and donate his house to the Boy's Home. Batman gets a statue as a commemoration and is remembered as a hero to Gotham.

The epilog shows Blake leaving the police force and getting some spelunking gear and coordinates left to him by Wayne to the Batcave, essentially inheriting the title of the Batman, as a bonus the GCPD gets a brand new Bat Signal.

Lucious Fox tries to figure out if there was anything that could be done to the auto pilot in the Bat to save Wayne. (Wait, wasn't it blown up in the blast?) He's told that the auto pilot has been working for six months after a software patch was applied by Bruce Wayne.

Alfred is now free of being a man servant and goes to his favorite vacation spot where he has a drink and finds Wayne sitting across the room with Selina Kyle.


Now that that's all out sorted out, I think the movie was 3 hours well spent. Yes there were a few inconsistencies and some quick fixes, (the knee brace and the Bat) but overall I felt like the movie delivered a satisfying conclusion to the Nolan trilogy.

Some people will nitpick things like Bane's change from the comics, but honestly, Bane hasn't been interesting since his debut and hasn't done much of anything in the comics afterwards. (He suffers from the same problem Doomsday does) This new take on the character and the awesome performance by Tom Hardy as the character is one that I personally prefer. Is he a better villain than the Joker. That's an irrelevant question because the two are so different. There's not enough solid ground to compare the two.

Anne Hathaway is the best Catwoman to be put to the big screen, sorry fans of Slut-bag Michelle Pfeiffer in heat, that's just how it is.

There's not a single weak performance in the movie, every brings their A game even though some of the elements presented are rough and clumsy.

Is this movie better than The Dark Knight? That's really up to you to decide, I think the Dark Knight was a better character movie, but I liked the grand scale and events in this movie.

Is this movie better than the Avengers? That's a stupid question to ask and you should feel bad for asking it. The two aren't comparable in any real valid way.

Overall I think the Dark Knight rises is a great end to the greatest (for now) super hero trilogy.
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I personally enjoyed it. It strikes me particularly how very different all three films in the trilogy are; TDK had a completely different feel to it than BB. I actually didn't care for it much on first viewing, on second, everything clicked for me. This one feels the most like a typical comic book film, but that's not a bad thing. That said, I don't think this movie ever had a chance in hell of living up to TDK's hype. Ledger turned in one hell of a performance and his death generated so much buzz that TDK became a straight-up beast. It helped that it was one hell of a rollercoaster ride - so was this one, but in a different way.

-Reveals surrounding certain characters were quite predictable for comic fans, but the uninitiated might have gotten a nice blast out them.

-Hathaway's a magnificent Catwoman. Pfeiffer finally has competition.

-Bane's voice is just horrid at times. They really should have done better with it.

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The movie felt like 70% No Man's Land, 20% Knightfall, and 10% Dark Knight Returns. I'm amazed so much was adapted here.

All the nitpicks I'm seeing over this movie are over completely inconsequential shit. For cripes' sake, time passes in leaps and bounds in this movie. Snow comes with winter. How'd Bruce get back to Gotham? He's Batman. Figure it out. People are stupid; I left Inglorious Basterds overhearing a woman saying "That's not how World War II ended, is it?" So, yeah, 'Robin' is fair as a name to help drive the point home.

Whole theatre lost their shit at Dr. Crane showing back up again for that once scene. Death...by Exile!

And yes...the ending proved at last that some days...you can get rid of a bomb.


Not perfect, but completely undeserving of the venom some people are spewing on it. 4/5 stars from me. I think this trilogy will be looked upon as extremely influential for Bats for many, many years to come.
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07/21/2012 06:57 AM (UTC)
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Tom Hardy was still a fantastic version of a character that really, hasn't mattered since the early 90's. Voice not withstanding.
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07/21/2012 10:15 AM (UTC)
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Just watched it a couple hours ago. I liked this one. Bane was a badass. The scenes with the Bat were awesome. It's just batmans voice is fucking annoying.
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07/21/2012 12:33 PM (UTC)
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Oh don't get me wrong, the whole
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07/21/2012 11:40 PM (UTC)
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I too hate the voice of Batman in the Nolan films. Just saw DKR, holyyyy shit it was amazing! Hard to say if it beats Dark Knight, but it's definitely close.

Bane needs to be in Injustice.
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07/22/2012 12:23 AM (UTC)
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Oh don't get me wrong, the whole
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thing IS a nitpick, I still liked the movie overall. I can see how the length of my argument would make it seem like it bugs me more than it does.


Ahh, I wasn't singling you out or anything. I've just heard more than a few people talking about it, and IMO it ain't no big deal, is all.
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07/22/2012 02:33 AM (UTC)
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Gary Oldman is Superman, gets shot, thrown around in the waters, then gets thrown around in a truck with a nuclear device in it and comes out of it without a scratch. He. Is. Superman.

Oh and I totally knew that the police officer idolizing Batman was Robin... they didn't hide that too well.


With low expectations going in I certainly enjoyed it much more than I thought I would.

"Anne Hathaway is the best Catwoman to be put to the big screen, sorry fans of Slut-bag Michelle Pfeiffer in heat, that's just how it is ."



Unfortunately I couldn't argue with anyone about that since when the subject of Catwoman came up all they could bring up was Halle friggin Berry.
But Hathaway was a good Catwoman despite the horrible outfit I just think I'm always going to prefer the crazier..bi-polar? Selina that Pfeiffer played.

Bane was good if just a tad hard to listen to
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Talia was good, The Raas al ghul cameo/flashbacks were cool, Blake wasn't as irritating as I thought he'd be..
Good movie. Can't wait to buy the inevitable "Trilogy Pack" containing Rises,TDK and Begins. Oh, And Michael Caine was incredible in this film.

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You say it's a horrible outfit, I'd say it's the best interpretation of it since Arkham City. And as a character I could respect Anne Hathaway's Selina Kyle more than Pfieffer's STD ridden one. In case it isn't clear, I hate that version of Catwoman. Not as much as the Halle Berry one but it's still so sub-par and unfaithful to the character I'd count it as amongst the worst.
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You say it's a horrible outfit, I'd say it's the best interpretation of it since Arkham City. And as a character I could respect Anne Hathaway's Selina Kyle more than Pfieffer's STD ridden one. In case it isn't clear, I hate that version of Catwoman. Not as much as the Halle Berry one but it's still so sub-par and unfaithful to the character I'd count it as amongst the worst.


Yeah, I hated that Arkham City outfit so I disagree with it being the best anything. I think the whole zipper past the breasts look isn't sexy so much as stupid.

..And kissing random thugs during combat in that game is....actually pretty creepy. For all your talk of "STD ridden" there's nothing more Eww inducing as landing that move consecutively on about 5 different thugs.

Yes, Hathaway is a better Selina Kyle but as Catwoman she wasn't as entertaining to watch for me as much as Pfeiffer was..but hey opinions. glasses
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07/22/2012 05:37 AM (UTC)
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SmokeNc-017 Wrote:
You say it's a horrible outfit, I'd say it's the best interpretation of it since Arkham City. And as a character I could respect Anne Hathaway's Selina Kyle more than Pfieffer's STD ridden one. In case it isn't clear, I hate that version of Catwoman. Not as much as the Halle Berry one but it's still so sub-par and unfaithful to the character I'd count it as amongst the worst.


I wasn't a big fan of the outfit when they were releasing stills over the past few months but it comes across very well in the movie. The heels were killer. I really liked Hathaway's interpretation of Selina Kyle/Catwoman...especially the way she was introduced when she first met Bruce.

The ONLY thing I didn't like about her character is that she didn't use a whip. Other than that...another Catwoman has stolen my heart, was was completely badass at doing it...as usual haha
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07/22/2012 07:44 AM (UTC)
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I thought it sucked. It needed better villains! Catwoman was hot, but Bane? Really? I would rather have seen Johnny Depp as someone.
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Ion3008 Wrote:
SmokeNc-017 Wrote:
You say it's a horrible outfit, I'd say it's the best interpretation of it since Arkham City. And as a character I could respect Anne Hathaway's Selina Kyle more than Pfieffer's STD ridden one. In case it isn't clear, I hate that version of Catwoman. Not as much as the Halle Berry one but it's still so sub-par and unfaithful to the character I'd count it as amongst the worst.


Yeah, I hated that Arkham City outfit so I disagree with it being the best anything. I think the whole zipper past the breasts look isn't sexy so much as stupid.

..And kissing random thugs during combat in that game is....actually pretty creepy. For all your talk of "STD ridden" there's nothing more Eww inducing as landing that move consecutively on about 5 different thugs.

Yes, Hathaway is a better Selina Kyle but as Catwoman she wasn't as entertaining to watch for me as much as Pfeiffer was..but hey opinions. glasses


I like the Anne Hathaway costume because it's a direct reference to the Ed Brubaker redesign that's become the most loved version of the character.

Nothing more ew inducing? How about grabbing a dude's balls and straddling him before licking his face in an alleyway?

You're free to like Slutty Michelle Pfeiffer in heat, but I'd still argue that she's nothing like the character she's supposed to be. Also, her origin is really, really, really stupid in Returns.
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07/22/2012 08:13 AM (UTC)
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SmokeNc-017 Wrote:
I like the Anne Hathaway costume because it's a direct reference to the Ed Brubaker redesign that's become the most loved version of the character.

No accounting for taste. I liked her better when she wore green and purple. The classics never go out of style, especially those colors.
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07/22/2012 10:56 AM (UTC)
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Hathaway's costume struck me as more a reference to the old Julie Newmar/Lee Meriwether outfit from the Adam West show, with her long hair and domino mask. I would've preferred shorter hair and a cowl, personally.
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