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05/24/2011 06:11 PM (UTC)
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riddict Wrote:

And for all of you nitpicking that costumes aren't like the game in this series, or things aren't like the game in this series, well if you make it exactly like the game, it turns into a camp fest that's ridiculously laughable, that is what happened with MKA.

Maybe I'm blind,but I don't see anyone here disliking the costumes they went with here.

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You are so emotionally attached to Scorpion, a fictional character, that it's starting to worry me... I think maybe you need to see some professional help to make you realize that Scorpion isn't real.

And you really need to stop taking stuff people say on the internet so fucking seriously.
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Lokheit
05/24/2011 06:31 PM (UTC)
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Really good episode, and what about this?

Maybe it isn't really feudal Japan but a town lost on the mountains where they continue being traditional people?

Because when the eyes of one of the guards shine, it screams to cyborg eyes under the skin for me, maybe they are just traditional people and this shogun is something different?

Or maybe Raiden has the ability to summon fighters from the last 5 centuries (from one MK to another) to defend the earth?
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riddict
05/24/2011 06:34 PM (UTC)
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I was referring to the series as a whole when it comes to costumes. A lot a bitching about Shao Kahn, Baraka, how Sonya looks older, etc. Not meaning this episode directly.
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05/24/2011 06:50 PM (UTC)
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Nice to see the web series back on track. It was slow but also nicely done and not boring. There is no embarrassing acting shown in episodes 4 & 5. Hope the 2nd part is of equal quality... though the presence of Quan makes me nervous that it will revert back to sloppy fantasy realm stuff shown in 3 & 4. Shall see...
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Lokheit
05/24/2011 06:51 PM (UTC)
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@Jaded-Raven:

I think you're being really really biased against scorpion specially this last week I've seen you many times doing this. It start to remember (on a minor scale) to that Rain fan that on every thread had to say something bad about Sub-Zero.

The guy was just talking about his fav. character nemesis, and coming from someone that is also a megafan of another character (Jade in your case) the comment feels a bit out of place. It's like if Scorpion killed all your beloved ones or something, I knew you were a Jade extreme fan but not that you were a Scorpion extreme anti-fan :P
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05/24/2011 07:00 PM (UTC)
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Lokheit Wrote:
Really good episode, and what about this?

Maybe it isn't really feudal Japan but a town lost on the mountains where they continue being traditional people?

Because when the eyes of one of the guards shine, it screams to cyborg eyes under the skin for me, maybe they are just traditional people and this shogun is something different?

Or maybe Raiden has the ability to summon fighters from the last 5 centuries (from one MK to another) to defend the earth?

I think the guards were really Shang and Quan in disguise because they were both listed in the credits and I didn't see them anywhere else in the episode. Would explain the glowy eyes.
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05/24/2011 07:10 PM (UTC)
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Human-Smoke-4-ever Wrote:
Its hard to hold the director's feet to the fire over this when Boon and Vogel went for this same time period in the game.


The fuck are you talking about? In the games, Scorpion and his clan were killed only a couple years before MK1. The Lin Kuei and Shirai Ryu just plain use horses and medieval weapons in the present day. Because they're ninjas. They live by fucking traditions and whatnot, until the Lin Kuei decided to modernize and get some robotics during/after the tournament.
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Spider804
05/24/2011 07:12 PM (UTC)
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Yeah, that post kinda confused me, too. I think he might've meant the vision that Quan Chi showed Scorpion to get him to kill Bi-Han in the new game with everything looking so feudal-like.
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05/24/2011 07:15 PM (UTC)
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Spider804 Wrote:
I think he might've meant the vision that Quan Chi showed Scorpion to get him to kill Bi-Han in the new game with everything looking so feudal-like.


Yes, probably, but that scene was not set in the ancient past. Oh, horses and swords are sooooo primitive, no one would ever use them today, not even in a fictional video game about people who fight with their fists and sometimes have swords. What, just 'cause it was the 1990's, the Lin Kuei should've rolled up in a Cadillac, poked uzis out of the windows, and done a drive-by on the Shirai Ryu's brick and mortar apartment building? They live in secret ninja compounds, not New York fuckin' City.
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Spider804
05/24/2011 07:20 PM (UTC)
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Is there any post you can't make that isn't full of epic win? I can't stop holding my sides.
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RazorsEdge701
05/24/2011 07:32 PM (UTC)
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Besides, that scene wasn't even real. Quan Chi burned the village down and created an illusion to fuck with Scorpion's head. The enemy clan riding horses to attack is probably a lot more believable to him and honestly, less silly looking to the audience, than the idea that ninjas of all people would show up with motorcycles and machine guns or some shit.
I grew up in the country, near a lot of farms, and I can tell you that I have seen with my own eyes, horses still exist. They are not some mythical product of the ancient past that just went extinct when the motorized carriage was invented. And if the Amish can get away with saying no to electricity and motors, then so can fucking secret assassin guilds hidden in Japan.
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Spider804
05/24/2011 07:37 PM (UTC)
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I knew that, been following the series for years. Either way, that was a pretty good illusion, great artwork.
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05/24/2011 07:39 PM (UTC)
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It is still pretty laughable that they mount a cavalry charge on a quaint-little ninja village, when on the other hand they have the means to substitute flesh with machinery which goes wildly beyond the complexity of simple weaponsmithing. And produce cyberninjas en masse.

Or that the MK2 comic featured Kuai Liang arriving in a jet piloted by MK ninja-clad people. Plus, he handed the monks his bussiness card. It has zero logical reason to be a valid tactic, or a way of existance to remain alive in the MK world aside the fact that they look cool that way.

I suspect Subs and Frost arrived to Shang Tsung's island in MKDA on an ice boat just to pimp off their Lin Kuei status. And btw, they came from the north pole, since Sub relocated Lin Kuei headquarters there into a hidden temple.
Which is built on ice, since the Arctic is not a continent. There is no continent or landmass under that ice, only under the Antarctic.

This is a point where discussion about the realism in MK flies out the window. That is why other iterations such as these must follow their own internal logic, so the suspension of disbelief has different limits in each iteration. Looking like X-men in the games works, looking lkike X-men from the comics in KT's MKverse is unacceptable, unless you are Havik trippin' on metamphetamines and kitten blood.

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05/24/2011 07:45 PM (UTC)
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I gotta repeat, there was no actual cavalry charge. Maybe if the Lin Kuei HAD attacked the Shirai Ryu, they would've showed up in a jet. Probably not since there's nothing stealthy about large troop-carrying aircraft and they wouldn't have wanted to alert their victims they were coming, plus the whole switch to tech was supposed to be very recent and sudden, but still. Quan Chi CHOSE to SHOW horses to Scorpion because it's a believable illusion. Scorpion wouldn't know jack shit about the fact that the Lin Kuei are gonna be building robots years after they killed him and his clan.

And again, am I the only motherfucker here who saw Ninja Assassin? The whole "training in a secret village, they still use swords and shurikens in a world of skyscrapers and guns" thing worked PERFECTLY FINE in that movie. Shit was awesome.
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Spider804
05/24/2011 07:45 PM (UTC)
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Lol@Havok drug addict. Hey, that rhymes!

@Razor: What part of the country you grow up in anyway? Sadly, I have not seen Ninja Assassin yet, I will be sure to do that sometime soon, though.
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05/24/2011 07:46 PM (UTC)
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Spider804 Wrote:
@Razor: What part of the country you grow up in anyway?


Central Pennsylvania. I live in Pittsburgh now.
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Spider804
05/24/2011 07:50 PM (UTC)
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Cool, my dad was born in Pittsburgh I think. I took my mom to Charlestown as a late mother's day gift last night, and I can attest to the continued existence of horses, having smelled those mother fuckers the whole way up there. Ninja Mime's got nothing on them, lol.
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Garlador
05/24/2011 07:56 PM (UTC)
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I enjoy it. That is all.
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Spider804
05/24/2011 08:05 PM (UTC)
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Huh, somehow I expected more than two sentences given the poster.
But oh well. lol
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05/24/2011 08:17 PM (UTC)
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I don't get it either Razor. Why can't we have ninjas set in modern times? Don't get me wrong cuz it was the best episode so far. The timeline just doesn't make any sense. Somebody should ask Ktan about why he did it that way. There is also a little detail I didn't quite like. Hanzo and the soldiers at the door were wearing blue. Gangs today refuse to wear their rivals colors. I think this would happen with ninjas as well.

And Bi-Han killed Scorpion right? I thought it happened during a fight to acquire Quans medallion. I also thought the Lin Kuei had nothing to do with the death of Scorpions clan and family but Bi-Han claims the Lin Kuei are taking care of his family and clan. I just think KTan needs one of the MKO guys like razor reminding him of how the storyline is suppose to go down. It's very important that Quan kills Scorpions family and clan
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05/24/2011 08:23 PM (UTC)
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colt1107 Wrote:
There is also a little detail I didn't quite like. Hanzo and the soldiers at the door were wearing blue. Gangs today refuse to wear their rivals colors. I think this would happen with ninjas as well.

I thought those two mooks were supposed to be the shogun's men,not the Shirai Ryu. They can wear anything they want.
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05/24/2011 08:31 PM (UTC)
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Until next week's episode, I still think those two mooks are really Quan and Shang in disguise, explains the glowing eyes and why they're both credited in the cast list for the episode and don't seem to show up anywhere else.
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05/24/2011 08:37 PM (UTC)
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T-rex Wrote:
colt1107 Wrote:
There is also a little detail I didn't quite like. Hanzo and the soldiers at the door were wearing blue. Gangs today refuse to wear their rivals colors. I think this would happen with ninjas as well.

I thought those two mooks were supposed to be the shogun's men,not the Shirai Ryu. They can wear anything they want.


Actually the non-faceplate one is Shang Tsung minus the facial hair.

Razor, which Ninja Assasin movie? That narrows it down aproximately very little, and I am bit of a sucker for ninsploitation movies.

Originally Scorpion's family wasn't killed at all until later on. IN MK1 it is stated that he will never know his family again implying them to be alive, not until MK4 we get the FAMILY AND CLAN line (well, not counting MK3 mass soul-steal from Kahn hijinks).

If K'Tan (more like C'tan amirite?) wishes to go with the original idea and thinks that his timeline benefits from changed course of action and involvement, sure. That is another interpretation, one that I personally find to be more entertaining (seriously, this jidaigeki MK is the first honest awesome moment fof me in a long time).

To be fair, if I were to make this confrontation Scorpion and Subs would probably be hi-tech assasins (guns) culminating in a two-way cat and mouse chase. Then it would probably end with a honor duel with strictly man on man taijutsu ninpo action, in MK garbs. There and then Scorpion would get a cold realization why the Lin Kuei are cutting edge.

The two are not mutually exclusive, but bamboo, kunai and shuriken are not cutting edge assassination tools. Same way we do not hack each other apart with swords. They seem exotic because of their bygone use and their extinction from technology.


Hold on I think I might be on to something good here...
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05/24/2011 08:39 PM (UTC)
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I dont know how to qoute but I saw some guys here discussing the error in timeline between this episode and the tournament and subzero aging. But I thought that both subzeros (Han) (Liang) were from a race called cryomancers and maybe they dont age, that is just a thought and I liked the episode
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05/24/2011 08:48 PM (UTC)
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bcon1241 Wrote:
I dont know how to qoute but I saw some guys here discussing the error in timeline between this episode and the tournament and subzero aging. But I thought that both subzeros (Han) (Liang) were from a race called cryomancers and maybe they dont age, that is just a thought and I liked the episode

To quote, click Reply under the person you want to quote and then click Add Original under the emoticons. And yes, they are Cryomancers.
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