Who other than Kano and Non-Blue Kotal- has "sexy outfits" in this game?

Baraka? And Kollector, depending on how you look at it, showing legs, arms and even is ripped belly :D.
For Shao Kahn, we've only seen one outfit I think. But with how he looks now, I think they're definitly going to show full torso too.

In about 2 weeks, we'll know

The sexy outfits of MK9 must stay, they are gorgeous. The classical sexy outfits must stay, what about that? The fans are worried with all this censorship and repressive wave and some are talking of a "UGLYFICATION CAMPAIGN" promoted by SJW feminists in NRM after the declarations of the art director. Is he a SJW? If feminists want an "uglification" of female characters with burqas and all of that.... Well, BUT the fans want the options of the classical sexy outfits and improvement of faces and the bodies. This is not a happy situation, we hope that MK will not be a SJW or "woke" game. We want OPTIONS of the classical sexy outfits.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YVTue_yQas&t=

"I've Decided To Not Buy Mortal Kombat 11. Here's Why"

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nW6kR0X3jRY&t=

Mortal Kombat 11 Skarlet Was Masculinized And I HATE IT

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ag0e0bgtuOw&t=2s

Jade Receives The Same Treatment As Skarlet In Mortal Kombat 11

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UkgySu9SJUM

Mortal Kombat 11 | Toned Down Females - Why Mortal Kombat 11 Will Fail!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRuhOOV0D3c&t=

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcW5OpQnGMQ&t=

Mortal Kombat 11 Was INTENTIONALLY Toned Down, Art Director Deals Fatality To Fans

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FowBU0VzrUg

Mortal Kombat 11 Steam Forum Is Being Censored FOR NetherRealms To Protect MK11

Gotta be honest, you're no J. Jonah Jameson

Again, the problem with the female’s appearances in MK9 was that they looked like fan art caricatures. The blown up tits, the abs, the Chyna muscles, Kitana’s huge hair. It all looked ridiculous. Like I said in my earlier post, that whole game just looked like a caricature of MK

In MK9, you can see the body language with most female victory poses compared to the men. Jade swirling round her pole, Sheeva touching herself, Camera zoom into Sonya's busts, Kitana winking at you, Mileena touching herself after she win rounds. The men are hardly doing any sexual gestures towards that game.

I think everyone here should check out some of the women complaining about this.

Because I've never seen an issue with bre chested men, I never once realized that the decision being made could be seen as sexist.

To simplify, how is it okay to cover up the women when the men are able to walk around shirtless in loincloths with no pants?

At that point there is no argument and this design choice was a mistake.

I won't say much else, but Beran's "you wouldn't go into battle wearing *blank*" holds no weight and has been successfully countered.

In the end, I'm here for gameplay, but the implications of these changes is what makes it difficult to be okay with.

At this point... When I read a lot of this thread... it comes off sounding like that trombone voice that the adults would talk with in the old Charlie Brown Peanuts cartoons.

Womp womp, womp womp womp womp, womp womp

Haha, I’m honestly surprised this thread just keeps on going TBH. It does go to show though that this is a really touchy subject for a lot of people with a lot of proverbial land mines ready to blow up in a content creator’s face (NRS in this instance).

A real damned-if-you-do-damned-if-you-don’t situation.

I'm not sure who else thinks this way but Shao Kahn's new look partially covers his chest. That partial covering kinda highlights more how bare his chest is. Young Johnny's got an unzipped jacket with nothing underneath alongside young Jax wearing only a vest for top. I'm not sure how people find Kotal Kahn and Geras but both are both walking around shirtless.

It's ridiculous that Cetrion hasn't put this argument to rest. They said they wanted to tone down the skin on characters where it seemed less appropriate... and they're still showing all the skin you could ask for on a character where it does seem appropriate.

They could have armored up Cetrion, but they didn't. She could have been dressed in loosely flowing robes with only a mouth showing for a mysterious vibe, but she isn't. You can look up her skirt when she steps on you. This is an actual fetish that some people have.

But she's an all-powerful goddess -- she doesn't give a fuck. She'll wear as little as she wants in a fight, zone you out and crush you. It makes sense to dress her less, and they did. Yet the complaints about the lack of sexy lady outfits are still rolling in, as if the obvious solution to their problem doesn't exist.

Fans of both approaches are getting what they want. We have more covered up guys and less covered up guys. We have more covered up girls and less covered up girls. We have Johnny in an open jacket, and Johnny covering up his prized tattoo because he's an adult now. We have Sonya in military uniform, and Sonya kicking your ass in her workout gear. We don't get to see all of Jade's goods in this game, but we also don't get to ogle over Hung Lao or Nood Saibot.

Where is the basis for argument? Why are people still doing this? It starts to look like keeping the "anti-SJW" narrative alive is more important to people than actually having what they want. And they say "dressing the women in less pervy outfits" is insanity. This is insanity.

^Well Said.

Seriously. Can we not let this be over now? Cetrion pretty much proves that they're not planning on dressing all females like nuns. So can it just end now? After all, what's going on here now is just constant rehashing. Stuff that's already been said over and over again. Everyone has gotten their point across. Please let's just move on?

Let's all just go to pornhub and make nice. ;p

So did you just ignore the following:

Art guy admits the sexuality is toned down on purpose and States it comes from a desire to be more "mature and respectful" specifically toward women.

Community cries foul due to double standards.

One female character with bare skin doesn't automatically mean the option is available for ALL female characters.

Community has communicated that outside of the titillating aspects, they would like the OPTION for more unique options overall, feeling that the females lack variety in design.

If they want to complain, they can; not only because they have the right to, but because they've pointed out valid reasons to do so. Not only that, but these are people in the fandom who actually give a damn, unlike whomever they're attempting to appease.

It's not as if the issue is/was unique to Mortal Kombat and it bothers me when people with nothing to add to the conversation would rather that conversation be over.

If you don't see value in or have gotten all that you can out of the discussion, leave it be instead of asking others to be silent on what they feel is a real issue in their favorite series/form of media. That's what the forum exists for.

"ridiculous"? "caricatures"? Then, What is you say about the appearance of the male characters with all those huge muscles even in Mortal Kombat 11?

For those saying the shirtless men are sexualized, therefore it's a double standard are just WRONG. Men showing off their pecks and arms has rarely ever been used for sexualization. It's used for MASCULINITY. It's the same as when dudes who are about to fight take off their shirts. To posture. To show their natural "armor". And it's actually practical. Women need the extra layers to somewhat stimulate the muscle defense on men and hold their jugs in place.

Here is a good, quick video about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqi5ijLrJbA&list=FLp07PNJcDLL9OjbiZssWLjg&index=2&t=0s

Then what makes a man sexy?

Well, allow me to un-ignore it then:

Good. I don't remember the guys being treated in a disrespectful fashion in their costumes the same way the women have. If you can't appreciate the difference after all that's been said, then I don't know what else to tell you.

It's not open for all male characters either, and never has been. I guess it must have been a bit of a shock when they limited the usual all-you-can-eat feminine flesh buffet to just a few servings. But I'm not sorry.

When people start complaining about Kung Lao, Raiden, and all the ninja dudes not having bare-skin costumes because ALL the guys need them, then I'll start to see some credibility in your point.

When it's just about "variety" and not about imposing sexuality strictly to get a rise out of the audience, I don't argue about it. I think it's a little weird that people are only complaining so much about the standard MK armor-and-loincloth style now that the women are doing it too... but I'm on board with seeing a little more individual personality come out of these designs. Especially the secondaries when characters are "out of uniform."

So far it hasn't been just about design variety though. People tend to contradict themselves and start griping about the girls not being sexy enough within the same post. Yours is one of them.

Yep. Somehow NRS caved to the unrelenting pressure of... people who don't give a damn. They didn't give a damn so hard that they forced the studio to make a change.

I encourage you to reread your statement over and over, as carefully as needed, until the fundamental absurdity of it starts to sink in.

By "nothing to add to the conversation," I think it's pretty clear you mean "nothing to add that I agree with, or will bother taking into consideration." I mean, you don't seem to mind rehashing the same handful of ideas that have gone around and around so much in this thread that it's become its own satire, while some of us are bored senseless. I've personally already answered these points multiple times in multiple ways over the course of this thread. But yeah, I'm the one with nothing to add. Sure.

Well, if you read what I said, I didn't command anyone to be silent. I just pointed out all the reasons it's ridiculous to continue on like this. It's your choice to keep harping on about a wildly exaggerated issue, partner.

Pro tip: If you want me to just leave it be, don't quote at me with another round of questions. I was happy enough to be out of here until that happened.

Now where's my "Freedom to Have Opinions Means Freedom of Others to Have Opinions About Your Opinions" stick...?

"For those saying the shirtless men are sexualized, therefore it's a double standard are just WRONG. Men showing off their pecks and arms has rarely ever been used for sexualization. It's used for MASCULINITY. It's the same as when dudes who are about to fight take off their shirts. To posture. To show their natural "armor". And it's actually practical. Women need the extra layers to somewhat stimulate the muscle defense on men and hold their jugs in place.

Here is a good, quick video about it.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vqi5ijLrJbA&list=FLp07PNJcDLL9OjbiZssWLjg&index=2&t=0s "

First of all, this forgets to say that MK is a FANTASY, it is a videogame.
In addition, this uses one of the most shameful fallacies coming out of the ideology of "gender studies", that says "the athletic or muscular half-naked men don't have sex appeal, it is only for show strength or MASCULINITY"

BUT the SJW forget to say that the masculinity or strength, or power in a male athletic or muscular body is a sexual attraction for the opposite sex.

WITHOUT MENTIONING that this fallacy of "gender studies" continues giving the problem that THEY DO NOT WEAR ARMOR.

@umbrascitor, peep this.

"Good. I don't remember the guys being treated in a disrespectful fashion in their costumes the same way the women have. If you can't appreciate the difference after all that's been said, then I don't know what else to tell you."

1. How exactly have the women in MK been disrespected? By baring flesh? By that logic, the men have been disrespected since day one. Johnny and Liu are shirtless while Goro rocks a mankini, but I guess that can't be seen as sexualized, even though women like to ogle AND fondle the chest, arms and genitalia of men. Like, no matter the context of the bare flesh, someone's getting their jollies somewhere.

Furthermore, would that mean a woman disrespects herself by choosing to be scantily clad? Your own argument makes no sense here.

"It's not open for all male characters either, and never has been. I guess it must have been a bit of a shock when they limited the usual all-you-can-eat feminine flesh buffet to just a few servings. But I'm not sorry.

When people start complaining about Kung Lao, Raiden, and all the ninja dudes not having bare-skin costumes because ALL the guys need them, then I'll start to see some credibility in your point."

2. Please keep in mind that I have no horse in this race, as I am content with the gameplay and presentation of MK11. Saying "not all the men have bare chests" isn't the point here and you could say the same for the female cast in the past, so there is no point to make with that statement (also, not all *blank* is never a good rebuttal). Men? They still have the option whereas the women have been literally stripped of it. Again, refer to Steve Beran.

It seems that due to her role as a god of life, Cetrion can and would be less dressed and that's fine, but why does Skarlet, who supposedly absorbs blood through her skin, cover 95% of herself at all times? Realistically, she's at a mobility disadvantage and lore-wise, she'd be at a power disadvantage, so Cetrion as an example only adds more to why this design choice may have been bad to some.

As stated before, the given reasoning is asinine and that's what actual fans decry. This had zero to do with me being a pervert, which I have been quite open to admitting about myself. It didn't stop me from enjoying MKX, so why are you attacking my sexuality/love of sexuality?

For the record, many people, including myself, would be STOKED to get another shirtless Raiden or a flexed out Kung Lao costume. No one is AGAINST that, but the game IS AGAINST females baring flesh and creators plainly stated as much. That is the point being made.

"When it's just about "variety" and not about imposing sexuality strictly to get a rise out of the audience, I don't argue about it. I think it's a little weird that people are only complaining so much about the standard MK armor-and-loincloth style now that the women are doing it too... but I'm on board with seeing a little more individual personality come out of these designs. Especially the secondaries when characters are "out of uniform."

So far it hasn't been just about design variety though. People tend to contradict themselves and start griping about the girls not being sexy enough within the same post. Yours is one of them."

3. In the post you're referencing, I already made it clear that I didn't care about the actual covering of the females. As for variety, I've literally seen people post about feeling that some outfits among the ladies are too similar DUE TO this hard push against showing skin. Again, you're skipping out on the point being made, cherry picking and attacking my character as if it makes your statements valid/relevant.

Please also mind the fact that no one is complaining about women wearing loincloths, they're complaining that males get to romp around with basically NOTHING UNDERNEATH said loincloths while the women are armored up to the teeth (hyperbole, but you know what I mean and please stop acting as if you don't). You also keep lumping in people who want tits with people who want equity.

One group has a point; the other doesn't. Even on ghe side of the immature, would you not have a better selection of costumes if there was no "ban" on skin? Who knows what kind of cool shit is on the cutting room floor due to this one decision? Black Canary anyone?

"Yep. Somehow NRS caved to the unrelenting pressure of... people who don't give a damn. They didn't give a damn so hard that they forced the studio to make a change.

I encourage you to reread your statement over and over, as carefully as needed, until the fundamental absurdity of it starts to sink in.

By "nothing to add to the conversation," I think it's pretty clear you mean "nothing to add that I agree with, or will bother taking into consideration." I mean, you don't seem to mind rehashing the same handful of ideas that have gone around and around so much in this thread that it's become its own satire, while some of us are bored senseless. I've personally already answered these points multiple times in multiple ways over the course of this thread. But yeah, I'm the one with nothing to add. Sure."

4. How does it escape your mind that watchdog groups, general public, incidences and even a single person can sway the decisions of creators, even if they have no connection to the media at hand? People/companies cave to clueless assholes all the time.

Recent Star Wars movies were a casualty of a studio head/creators who wanted to push an agenda/cater to an audience who have no reverence for the series and Halo 5 was made by a team of developers who didn't know who Master Chief was. Both were fucking awful. Mass Effect Andromeda creators blatantly made a lead character uglier for...god knows why, but you got a glimpse of some of the team behind it and you know their steez.

The point of a debate is to make or stand by a point, yes? If you're bored, why stick around the thread? You don't have a point to make; you simply want people to stop making them.

I don't need to reread anything and since, again, I don't care either way, it doesn't matter TO ME if you agree with me or not, but yes, you should take everything into consideration if you're going to be a part of the conversation. I have. I said as much. I didn't know what an example of "benevolent sexism" was before this came up, because it's something I hadn't considered as a man at all and now I see the entire situation in a bigger way. It benefits one to be considerate.

"Well, if you read what I said, I didn't command anyone to be silent. I just pointed out all the reasons it's ridiculous to continue on like this. It's your choice to keep harping on about a wildly exaggerated issue, partner.

Pro tip: If you want me to just leave it be, don't quote at me with another round of questions. I was happy enough to be out of here until that happened.

Now where's my "Freedom to Have Opinions Means Freedom of Others to Have Opinions About Your Opinions" stick...?"

5. Even if you didn't directly say as much, your display wasn't constructive to the conversation and it still isn't. It may be ridiculous to continue on like this, but who cares? The whole point of the last thing is that we're here to converse. Whether the "issue" is wildly exaggerated or not, people still TAKE ISSUE with what's happening. People feel strongly enough to talk about it, let em talk.

No need for pro-tips, I'm not your partner and whether you leave or not is your choice. All I'm getting at is that you can't expect people to shut up about something they're passionate about. You could also learn to voice your opinion without attacking people or otherwise being an asshole.

Do that, actually consider what people have to say and you may have a more positive experience with me and others.

NO one has wanted Cetrion, she is awful.

Speak for yourself

Ammm, yeahhh right... So in a nutshell your argument (and the argument of the YouTube video) is that when women are attractive (have attractive physical body and face) plus when they wear bikini type-clothes, that's "sexualization" and at the same time disrespect toward females. But at the same time shirtless yoked men with a sixpack and a bodybuilder's physique are not sexualized at all. They are just "masculine" and "they project power". Cool story bro!

However, let's see what females, especially female gamers think about this. How they for example look at Shao Kahn:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8u3HAdA_M-I
"Masculinity and power without sexualization", right? :\

let's also see a female gamer's opinion about uglyfication of female MK characters:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uqrHDgt-tYI
And this was her opinion for MKX, I can only imagine what's her opinion about MK11 which pushed the femminism even further...

Uh...Sex appeal?

A man just having his shirt off doesn't make him sexy.