I like the idea of Bi-Hans body becoming a cyborg/drone but that would of only worked out during mk9 but now is to late to do that the only way to "fix" CSZ would be having his soul become a wraith like Scorpion or Noob but with him becoming a whole new character just keeping some moves and have the good guys fix CSZ and make him a full robot with a computer instead of a brain to fight for them that way we keep a cryomancer robot and gain a whole new character or just make him subby again.

i aways wondered if tobias could do better with story of mk if he would have stayed???

just seems like everytime a mk comes out, fans complain about the story since mkda.

You know that last idea you had could still work. Imagine that in the next game they show a sequence where Subz tried to escape the lin kuei before they automated him. Then for running they "almost" killed him. So since they thought he was going to die they took some of subz dna to help create Cyber Sub-Zero. Thus why he, and everyone else for that matter thinks Cyber Subz is Kuai Liang.

Then we have a scene of Subz dragging himself across the ground, knowing himself he's going to die. Then jade arrives, controlled by the woman in her ending, and helps subz to his feet and she simply says "You were not supposed to meet this fate." Oh I can imagine it now. It would send chills down my spine.lol. However, NRS wouldn't think of anything like that to save their lives. :/

nice, but who is that "lady" controllling jade. why would she care about sub zero?

I must be one of the few people out there that doesn't have a problem with Sub-Zero (Kuai Liang or however hell you spell that name) being turned into a cyborg. I'm more upset that he got killed along with Jade, Smoke, Jax, Kabal, Stryker, Nightwolf, Kitana, practically everybody!!! By the way, how the hell is that possible that somehow Sindel is able to kill all those fighters, and they aren't wussy fighters either mind you these are the SURVIVORS of Kahn's attempt to steal all of Earthrealm's souls, but a guy such as Liu Kang in the original timeline is able to defeat Shao Kahn. I know Liu Kang is supposed to be the best fighter and all, but really now, the way Sindel was going out there massacring all those fighters made it look like she was even more powerful than Shao Kahn? Come on now.

Anyways back to the topic on hand, I doubt the creators would get "Hydro" involved like this to substitute Cyber Sub-Zero. That said, NRS clearly knows how unpopular it is of Sub-Zero turned into a cyborg, and dead. I don't know how NRS is gonna go about bringing back Sub-Zero (Cyber or not), I mean the idea of having a resurrected cyborg come back hasn't been done since the original timeline when Noob Saibot found in Shao Kahn's prison the inactive Cyber Smoke...oh damn.

What if, and this is a big what if, but if Noob Saibot comes back in the next game, and after Quan Chi and Shinnok are somehow defeated, the same thing happens where Noob Saibot stumbles upon the inactive Cyber Sub-Zero and brings him back to life? Think about it, he's from the Netherrealm, where Kuai Liang's spirit is, and the fact that they are brothers though despite Noob Saibot renouncing their familial ties, he sees the use of Cyber Sub-Zero as a valuable tool in going forward with his plans of making cyber demons. Seriously NRS if you are reading this, HIRE ME! and I will give you some awesome plot ideas.

Depends on who you mean by "the rest of the fighters". Nightwolf's always had all kinds of magic and power, he and Sindel seemed to be evenly matched, for example. He didn't go out like a bitch like the others, he fought back and took her out with him. In the original MK3, he was sort of treated like the next best thing to Raiden as the leader/guide to the heroes since the God of Thunder was "not allowed to interfere" until Trilogy came out.
And I still don't understand how Sub died from an uppercut. They must literally expect us to believe the Lin Kuei put an off switch on his chin, 'cause that was the most bullshit death in that whole scene.

But over guys like Stryker, Jax (except for his arms), Sonya, or Johnny? Yeah, Liu Kang actually is supposed to be WAY more powerful. The gap in power is seriously to the point where when he's not around to fight the bad guys, everybody else will just get fuckin' killed. That's exactly what happened not just in this game, but the end of Deadly Alliance tdid it first, Shang, Quan, and a bunch of Tarkatans managed to kill the good guys because they didn't have Liu to save their asses.

I don't know who exactly the woman is, but If I'm not mistaken she told Jade that things were not happening how they were supposed to or something of the effect, and since Sub-Zero was about to die in my scenario then she would ultimately be rescuing him and tell him that Raiden's visions are false. She would then ask for his help in stopping Raiden from changing everything

So really the woman inhabiting jade is just trying to stop Raiden from killing everyone and Sub-Zero dying would be one of those. Since she witnessed all of the past events as well she would know that Sub-Zero (Kuai Liang) could come in as a huge help for her.

"Depends on who you mean by "the rest of the fighters". Nightwolf's always had all kinds of magic and power, he and Sindel seemed to be evenly matched, for example. He didn't go out like a bitch like the others, he fought back and took her out with him. In the original MK3, he was sort of treated like the next best thing to Raiden as the leader/guide to the heroes since the God of Thunder was "not allowed to interfere" until Trilogy came out.

And I still don't understand how Sub died from an uppercut. They must literally expect us to believe the Lin Kuei put an off switch on his chin, 'cause that was the most bullshit death in that whole scene.

But over guys like Stryker, Jax (except for his arms), Sonya, or Johnny? Yeah, Liu Kang actually is supposed to be WAY more powerful. The gap in power is seriously to the point where when he's not around to fight the bad guys, everybody else will just get fuckin' killed. That's exactly what happened not just in this game, but the end of Deadly Alliance tdid it first, Shang, Quan, and a bunch of Tarkatans managed to kill the good guys because they didn't have Liu to save their asses."


Ok, let's take Nightwolf out of the equation since he is seen as Raiden's substitute to lead the group when Raiden's gone and has some very powerful abilities. That still leaves Johnny Cage, Sonya Blade, Smoke, Jade, Kitana, Stryker, Kabal (maybe I'm missing someone or 2). And yes, I know Sindel has been infused with all of Shang Tsung's power from the souls that Kahn transferred to Sindel. I don't know, it just seems out of whack that all those guys could still not take on Sindel. Oh right, Cyber Sub-Zero too I forgot.

Anyhow, I could see NRS doing a bunch of resurrecting of those fallen warriors in the next game since that is what happened in the original timeline when hanzo hasashi died coming back as scorpion, the elder sub zero coming back as noob, johnny cage dying but coming back, etc. So I'm sure we'll see if not all, most of them back.

That's true there is no way and I mean no way that they will kill off all of those guys. They are way too powerful and they really don't have that large of a pool of people to choose from to replace them. We have been discussing that in a thread I made in the future games section.

Really though the thing is finding a way to resurrect them. I don't want another mass resurrection. It just really cheapens things to me. Some of those guys need to stay dead for at least a little while. However, I've also discussed that there are three who have ways of coming back already.

Sub-Zero has one of two scenarios:
1. I still say that we never did see him human again after he got captured. He wasn't on an operating table, he wasn't seen being sliced open or even heard yelling in agony. We simply saw him get taken and a cyborg pops up in Kabal's chapter as Cyber Sub-Zero. Call it wishful thinking call it what you want, but if they wanted too they could say that it was a case of mistaken identity all along and cyber subz was merely a dna cloned cyborg or something of the sort.

2. Sareena will be in the next game I'm almost sure of it, and when she appears she could believe that cyber subz is bi-han and will want to rescue him. She could then take him into quan's purification chamber and revive him to his natural state.

Jade has a way back via the woman in her ending. It even shows Jade's eyes being opened up by this woman so I'm fairly sure we will see her again come MKX.

Smoke is another with good reason to return. His demonic form could easily come into play here as Quan may not be able to control his demonic form and he escapes Quan's control.

So those three already have ways. It's just depending on if NRS wants them to return or not though. I don't see any way of Kitana, Jax, Kabal, Stryker, Kuang Lao, or Sindel to return in the next game though.

Well yeah, it was a 10 on 1 fight, it was completely absurd the way she was able to beat all of them in one fuckin' hit each, when they should've been able to dogpile her or all just pelt her to death at the same time with loads and loads of fireballs like the scene where Murphy gets shredded by bullets at the beginning of Robocop, lol.

It only happened because they needed everybody to die so they could tell their stupid "Quan Chi has an army of dead good guys under his control" story in the next game and they couldn't animate a better fight scene to get to that point or think of any way show her winning that would actually make some sense. Maybe they couldn't afford or didn't have enough time to make a better cutscene for that fight, maybe they were lazy, maybe it was all one-hit kills in the script and it's the writers' faults, who knows.

Maybe this story really just sucked in general and people won't take their "MK has such good gameplay now goggles" off to see it.

Just because one part of a game is good doesn't mean you have to like every part of it. I think that's where people fall short on seeing that in this game. MK can only get better if fans give it a "little" criticism. NRS f'd up that story. Sorry.

Mileena is now a trash whore. Also tell me this. It may sound a little crazy but if she has the mind of a child, then why the hell is she asking questions like "Was it good for you?" Two words. Just. Stupid.

Sub-Zero and his new story for that matter are now not only the most discussed topic but has divided the fanbase so heavily it's ridiculous. Like I've said before they saw the outcry for human smoke and he is just a b-lister. Did they really think turning Sub-Zero was going to have a positive result.

Johnny Cage and Sonya are now the epic love story of Mortal Kombat. Ugh.

Smoke has become a rash, hard-headed, rushes into things buffoon. He has great hair though. Just kidding. Poor Smoke. He finally gets turned human again and they make him look like he takes too long doing his hair.

Next Raiden is a COMPLETE idiot. Really there are no more words for that.

Quan Chi went from doing a few things behind the scenes, and I mean a few seeing as he wasn't even a character in the original trilogy, to being the main cause of almost everything and is in the forefront. WTF?

Shang is just... well that's probably the saddest part for me behind Cyber Subz. Shang is nothing now. I mean nothing. Main villain and now no one knows if he even exists.

Reptile and Baraka are still b***hes. Sorry but that was them in the old story nothing really changed. Sheeva too for that matter and Kano got shanked as far as his story with Sonya goes as well. All four of them were basically just losers. At least some of the others had important parts like Noob helping with the soulnado. Too bad it bit him in the a**. Basically though if you were a bad guy in this game and your name wasn't Sindel, Quan Chi, or Shao Kahn then you just sucked. Period.

I think when Ed Boon said the story was going to be darker this time he really meant this story might suck guys. We've changed a lot of what those characters represented and they may not even sound like the characters you're used too.

"just pelt her to death at the same time with loads and loads of fireballs like the scene where Murphy gets shredded by bullets at the beginning of Robocop, lol."


I didn't even pay attention to the rest of what you just said, just the fact you used a Robocop reference was good enough for me haha.

That still remains to be seen. 'MK 10: Look, We Can Also Do Blackest Night' is pretty much a guaranteed sure-fire hit and may end up validating the choices made in MK9.

How is that a guaranteed hit? With their current track record, they could easily screw it up. It's nice that you're so optimistic though.

jax and sonya should have been over the earth fighters after raiden and liu kang are gone. THEY are the onlys ones with previous WAR experience. jax/sonya are from the military which teaches you how to strategize to win wars.

liu would be the martial arts trainer and nightwolf/liukang should be helping the human bring forth/hone their chi(fireballs). The humans dont have superpowers, like johnny cage and sonya. so either they use advance tech(jax) or LEARN to hone their chi, which is never seen. they just show up with super natural powers........

thats one of the things that the mk 1995 movie did well, raiden explained that it was MORTAL kombat and they would have to strategize to win against SUPER natural beings from other worlds.

Why is why I've argued Raiden does not work as the main character.

Human wars. With guns.

Defending realms in Mortal Kombat is fought hand-to-hand and with magic powers and Sonya and Jax, as magically powered martial artists go, are only slightly better than an ordinary human being. They also are in no position to lead since they don't know anything about how realms or magic work, or the laws of the Elder Gods and how to enforce them. They simply don't have any knowledge or experience in these affairs.
The reason Liu is so much better than everybody else is a combination of the fact that he's been training for this stuff for his entire life, since he was a small child, and that he was born exceptionally gifted even by kombatant standards. The next best heroes after him would be those who also have life-long training and powerful magic: Kung Lao, Nightwolf, Sub-Zero, Smoke...sadly the "modern American" characters, Johnny, Sonya, Jax, Stryker, Kabal...seems like they'll always fall pretty low on the power scale. Although they seem to be trying to boost Johnny all of a sudden.
I do agree with you that they should spend some actual time in the games showing characters like them actually training, being taught by Raiden or Liu or Bo' Rai Cho how to use chi better.

I know it is randon,but speaking of power scales,I still can't decide,would Earth heroes still fall during MK Deadly Alliance IF Sub-Zero wasn't stopped by Frost and actually came to help them? Cuz I think if Raiden was defeated by two sorcerers,I doubt Sub-Zero would make any difference...

Well the way the fight went down was Sonya, Jax, and Johnny were just killed by the regular Tarkatan grunts guarding the palace while Kung Lao and Kitana fought Shang and Quan and lost, then only Raiden was left to take them on 2 on 1.

I think if Sub-Zero and Frost were there, they'd have been able to overcome the Tarkatans...which COULD have then translated to them, Johnny, Sonya, and Jax being able to join in against Shang and Quan, turning it into an 8 on 2 battle.

But he by himself? Probably would've lost like Raiden did.

This is why I hate Liu Kang now. Not only the crying like a Turkey on crack but he's become the MK equivalent to Goku and the rest of the cast were reduced to Krillin and Yamcha status [In fairness only Kitana was the Krillin equivalent while the rest were Yamchas]

You say that like it's a new development, but Johnny and Sonya were always Yamchas, lol. Nothing says "Earth's so fucked in the sequel" like leaving those two as the only ones alive.

Be fair. They're Gohan and Piccolo now. That's got to mean something to you.

Who's trunks in the equation?lol

I also have another spin on hyperdrive's cyber sub-zero being dna created.

It would go like this. Sektor and Cyrax beat Sub-Zero to a pulp for trying to escape. Then when they believe him to be dead they take some skin or hair or whatever and help create cyber sub-zero out of his dna.

Then in outworld, since that is where Sektor and Cyrax tried to kidnap him, Sub-Zero is shown lying on the ground lifeless.

He feels something calling to him that keeps him alive. He stumbles to his feet and begins to walk slowly into the direction he feels he is being called. He falls again out of weakness from the beating. Once again he stumbles to his feet.

As he gets closer he begins to feel slightly empowered. He finally stumbles upon ancient ruins carved into a mountainside. There he finds his heritage as a cryomancer and dons the armor of his ancestors as he did in the old timeline.

With his new armor, he travels back to earthrealm to gain revenge against the Lin Kuei and disband the group for good.

Not really. The game did such a poor job developing the characters that I see no advantage in these two staying alive. ...if queve's around, I fully expect him to come in and argue.

would he find the medallion inside the cave??