Lol Midway Boards was a place for trolling. I got banned there for trolling too hard months before it got closed, good stuff.

I admit that there is the chance of something being inaccurate in a post of mine. But the same goes with your posts. Do you realize this - do you agree? I admit that I have mistaken in some things unfamiliar to me, but so have you. Need I prove? This was about Sub-Zero in the first place.
When Bo' Rai Cho was still a sketch, I don't think that his weapon style was chosen at that point. After NeRdS named the character, they probably began to contemplate on choosing a weapon style. A staff makes sense for an overweight character, with possible back problems, and his forename includes a type of a staff, bō. Bo' got a weapon that's probably jo, yes. The case here was the connection between Bo' and his trademark weapon he carries that is close to a bō. Also known as speculation.
Answer these respectively: 1) Do I always bring my native tongue to the name backgrounds? 2) Are foreign tongues irrelevant? 3) Can the name backgrounds only be obvious? 4) Are these questions irrelevant to the Sub-Zeroes' possible name meanings I shared, without misleading?
I reveal the question number four's answer: yes. → Petty things.

Exaggerating much? That's almost hysterical, as NoobSaibot5 stated, forums are a lot about speculation/contemplation. Do I need to repeat?

I already responded this to you but let us recap:

Finally, a response to a response to a response:

The ending wasn't obviously canon but that doesn't rule out the possibility of CSZ obtaining an armor looking like that. As for misinformation, list everything I have ever written that you believe is wrong. Expect me doing the same thing however. I'm not a robot, neither are you. Mistaking is human. Nonetheless, I for one have a spite towards constant misinforming. I know I'm not one doing that, because I know people who are. I didn't expect debates for this name background. Hold the horses. If the truth is your principle, I'm cool with that. But I'm no "misinformant".
Time to return to the course, anyone?

(Private messages are welcome. I'm out for the Friday night now.)

OK.
I'll be waiting for yours and Tyrant's project. At last there would be a good MK encyclopedia, I hope.


As much as even I find the idea of Cyber Kahn crazy, I would like to see what kind of gameplay this thing could have had. But most likely it will never be realized.

A bō is not a type of staff, it is literally a staff. A staff is something that is longer than a cane. There isn't really room for speculation when the translations clearly say what is what.

Not to mention the fact that the first syllable of Bo'rai Cho and bō are two completely different phonemes apart aside the B. And thus, have entirely different meanings. And the fact, it has NOTHING apart for what it is, no deeper meaning just a quasi-chinese sounding pun. The same guys gave a Female-exclusive name to a male character: Reiko.

About homonymic and homophonic instances in languages. Bi- means doubled, of two. In languages of latino-roman origin. The same phoneme is used at a different point on Earth to convey something else. Bi Han as such has with a very probable chance nothing to do with double.

By this logic Kula Diamond would not just mean "Cooler or Cool: iterated in a phonetic spelling, but also "pile of shit" since that what it refers to in my -finno ugoric- language. You were grasping at straws with a construct of coincidental matches.

What's funny is that I stated right underneath that sentence that his ending is not canon, therefore I'd think I'd know that what he looks like in his ending won't happen unless it is true even though we all know it's not.

Besides, as a person who plays as this character nonstop, I'd think I would be the first person to get the hint that his ending won't be true since story mode is more canon than arcade endings. So, you're little "I gotta once again know everything and by everything I mean say something that's totally not necessary" seemed kind of pointless since I already knew beforehand.

But thanks for restating it. As a huge fan of Sub-Zero and the direction his character took in this game, I will say, I wish Cyber Sub-Zero did have his own moveset. Who knows, if he's still a cyborg in the next game, they might change his moves. Having 95% of his moves being identical (not stolen) towards Cyrax wasn't something I really expected him to have.

What I'm trying to say is, the reason his "cool looking" armor in his ending is so "cool looking" is because he's dressing like Shao Kahn.

For him to get armor that looks like Kahn's in-canon, he'd have to have a story-reason to dress like Shao Kahn. He couldn't just up and decide to get his cyber-body reshaped to have a horned skull-face and shoulder spikes for no reason as, like, a coincidence, y'know?

Really? He won't look like Kahn if his ending isn't true yet he managed to obtain a new look come the next game? Tell me more! Tell me more things that I'VE ALREADY KNOWN!!!!

Jesus Razor, you'd think I wouldn't know that Kahn is inside Cyber Sub-Zero and that's basically him fusing together? Or do you think that just because I'm asking to see the same kind or better yet, a similar kind of armor concept to return for the next game, I had no idea that Kahn would have to be basically "possessing" my favorite character in order for it to happen?

I'm not stupid, so stop thinking I have no idea that in order for this to happen, his ending would be true. I've stated it two times already, I think the third time would be enough, Y'KNOW?



Or they could have basically given him a new concept with similar features and have a perfectly good reason for it rather than just giving it to him without any reason... It's not that hard to come up with a story for someone's new look... Since they did so with Reptile, which I'll admit, I was unaware since I rarely played Konquest in Deadly Alliance. But still, they can do so, and if it were to look different, then so be it, at least a wish I'm asking could get granted if I see it return.

Dir.

Christ, woman! What crawled up your ass and died? Nobody called you stupid, though I'm certainly tempted to after being yelled at for no reason TWICE now.

I'm not trying to repeat shit you already know, okay? I was just fucking trying to say that I'm wondering how you'd explain him dressing up like Kahn. "Change some details so it doesn't look like Kahn anymore" is a fine answer I guess...but you could've just said that without getting all defensive and hostile.

Anyway...I got a picture of it to study what all they added and I think...



...If you take off the Kahn-themed parts...it'd just be regular Cyber-Sub, wouldn't it? They didn't actually change much in retrospect, almost nothing new from the neck down except for adding spikes and a cape.

Christ. Cyber Sub-Zero's got better hips than Kitana for fucks sake. o.O

Not to take away from robo-Kuai's womanly hourglass figure, which is indeed very real and I'm sure very sexy to some, lol...but in this case, I think there are extra samurai armor-flaps hanging down his thighs making it look that way, I just didn't let the youtube vid zoom out far enough to show his legs when I took the screenshot because I didn't want the details to get too tiny and blurry.
Hang on, I've finally found it in HD...I've brightened the second shot here up a bit too so you can make out the details better.


Okay, he's got some loincloth action going on there, covering up his nonexistant Ken Doll robojunk...I actually wouldn't mind seeing that on the real thing in the next game. One of my problems with all three cybers' primary costumes is none of them had the ol' crotchflap like they used to. For "cyberninjas", they were visually all cyber, not much ninja, y'know? (Not that there's much they could do...at least they all have tabi-shaped feet, lol)
The flashing Iron Man circles ain't bad either, if they were by themselves and not on those skull logo buckles...
Hell, I even like the big ice climbing pickaxe and think it could work for him separate from the Kahn motif. It's a bit more creative at least than a Final Fantasy-sized kori blade.
On a separate note, I actually like this as a Shao Kahn costume way better than the ugly "stone cornrows" outfit Kahn wears in the game. If we got Human Sub back next game, I'd totally be down for Cyber-Shao Kahn as a real character, lol. I suppose Soul Calibur's already kinda done the "villain is a haunted suit of blue armor" thing...but fuck it, this one's a robot! And he looks fuckin' majestic. Look at him rock that cape like a bawse.

How does one yell at another through a computer? How did I yell at you through a computer? Is it how hard you type with your fingers? Pounding the shit out of the keys and screaming at the monitor with the choice of words you use or what?

And I'd think I would be checking myself into a doctor's office if something really did crawled up my ass and died... Although any living thing that starts crawling up my leg that isn't my boyfriend's hand, I'd be getting it off immediately, so there wouldn't technically have anything getting in my ass...

So, this little "I got my feelings hurt after being yelled at" makes no freaking sense because I never yelled at you. I can't yell at you, yelling would require me being in your face and screaming my voice at you. I'm writing to you.



You stated the obvious, twice, and I got the feeling that you're trying to make me feel like I have no freaking clue on what I'm talking about all because I asked to see this concept return. The only reason why I wrote that is so that you and Zmoke would stop arguing about word translations in other languages because this thread isn't about that. So I changed the topic finally, and said that I wish the concept would come back, whether or not I actually stated "I want the concept to completely return with Kahn's look added as well," shouldn't make a difference because it's a harmless little wish I'd like to see come back.

I don't need to state how I wanted to see this concept returned. It should be obvious for someone to state "I like for it to return, even though it's not in a canon ending," which would mean, someone wants to see that concept come back, and if it's not modeled like it was in the ending, something is better than nothing. I don't need to explain myself like you always do. So calm the fuck down, I'm not being hostile towards you, more like being a sarcastic little nitwit was more towards the direction I was heading.



They can always change the looks you know. It's not hard to create a concept.

That's just being pedantic and you know it. By "yelling", I obviously mean that your posts have an angry/confrontational tone and it's highly uncalled for right now. You're not Zmoke, I wasn't fighting with you, yet you've acted angry and offended in every response to me so far. There was no argument between us until you started one.



So I overexplained myself when I was trying to ask a question. Big deal. That was more for the benefit of anyone in the thread who didn't remember what the ending looked like and might not know what we're talking about. I do that sometimes, I'm wordy. It's a thing. Oh well. You made a mountain out of a molehill here.



Well clearly, given the nature of the concept, I disagree with that. I think at least an attempt at explanation or speculation how/why they'd do it is kind of necessary. Like I said, if you take out all the Kahn parts, all you're left with is some plates and cloth around his waist.

Chrome: Okay... I guess you know about the homophonic instances better than any of us here then. The Quasi-Chinese sounding/spelling is something I'm unfamiliar with. I'm not sure if it's trustworthy really; but Wikipedia suggests that a jo would be considered as a short staff. NeRdS speak English though and at times they mix English with a totally different language (Cage). Latino-Roman languages (namely English) have had a notable influence in other language families past the 21st century so far.
You may be right; maybe I did grasp straws just. Someone should find out what is the most probable meaning for Bi-Han. I hope I made myself clear though, the meaning I brought is a suggestion to the "etymology" of Bi-Han. No other explanations have been out there yet, what I've seen. If my speculation misinforms somebody, it's a shame, because they should be aware that we're contemplating about name backgrounds. No one knows everything of everything, and that's why it takes a big bunch of people rather than an individual person to solve out the etymology. STAFF ONLY
('Twas a pun towards sticks and staffs.) The pile of shit was interesting.

Strauss-Kahn... C.S.Z. Kahn would be a fascinating character for Mortal Kombat X. I always thought he'd be cooler and badder than your average MK fighter. NeRdS could come up with a character looking like that without following the ending of Cysuze strictly. There are those Outworld sentinels that have had similar headpieces to what Shao Kahn's been wearing as well. An Outworld–Tekunin alliance mixed with the capture of CSZ could result in something like this. A tribute to the ending. Fingers crossed.
"Cool down y'all, yeah?" suggests a sober Lich Fridge. [That's right.]

Zmoke, do you know what a heteronym is?

It's when two separate words are spelled the same but are pronounced differently.

"Bi", the prefix which means two, is pronounced with a long I, like the word "bye".

The "Bi" in Bi-Han is pronounced like the word "bee". (Except in Legacy, but that wasn't made by NRS, and it got Sindel's name wrong too. How do you that, anyway? Getting Bi-Han wrong I can understand because it was new and the game hadn't come out yet, but not with an older character. The games have an announcer, Sindel's name has been said out loud since 1995...)

So, yeah. They're not even the same word. Just something to think about.

A.) I don't throw emotions into any post I write on this site because it's stupid to overreact to something on the internet. You're the one thinking I have dead things in my ass, you're getting overworked about a very sarcastic post, though most of it was stating the obvious and opinionated thoughts. Hurt someone along the way? Oh well, kinda not really something i need to be upset about.

B.)I don't care if I wasn't the person you were "fighting" with, talking about what Bo means and such doesn't seem like the subject of the topic here, so I decided to actually DO something about it, since you and Zmoke were fighting in another thread while derailing it as well (since a mod had to warn you to knock it off) why have two threads like that?

We're not Milaana here, we don't need to derail every single thread due to one user stating something someone either disagrees with, or just sees in another viewpoint and is making a big deal about it.

And C.) My tone, there is none, there's probably sarcasm in it, that's basically all that's going on, I'm being SARCASTIC. Again, you're thinking I'm screaming and pounding my fists on my keyboard, writing with such anger. I just got over playing Disney's Scene It with my boyfriend and my parents, I don't think I'm in a pissed off angry bitchy mood right now writing this to you. I've been sarcastic with you all this time, not some girl who people probably think is running a bleeding river between the legs.



You want one? Fine, it's a cool concept I'd like to see be useful some time in the future. That's my reason. Think it's a dumb one? Don't really care, you got your opinions, so do I.

Icebaby we don't agree on a lot but those last lines of yours I agree with. People have to come in here and explain, explain, and explain some more why they don't like something. When sometimes you just want to say, I don't like it because I don't like it. We are allowed that after all.

I've explained over and over and over again why I think cyber subz is a bad idea and pretty much hate it in general. I've gave my good reasons, and I lay it there. However, sometimes you just want to stop arguing about it and say I'm allowed to hate something if I want to. You can't tell me how to think. I have many reasons I hate cyber subz. He has no humanity anymore at least none that's different from Sektor, he is in a cyber suit and let's be honest the cyber characters NEVER change. I mean this is the most dramatic change they've ever had and it's still not that far of a stretch from the old cyborg designs. His old amazing story is f**king ruined. That's right ruined. Granted I knew it wouldn't stay the same, but damn getting turned into a cyborg, something he was the most major proponent AGAINST in the old timeline it's just spitting in fans of his old story's faces. Again these are my opinions.

However, I don't feel that anyone on these boards really owes anything like that to anyone. If I want to come on here and say I don't like the motherf**ker because he's not Sub-Zero to me. Plain, and Simple. I should be able to without feeling like someone is jumping down my throat. I'm not pushing my opinions on anyone. I just think, and still do think it's a dumbass idea. That's my opinion and I feel i should be able to say it. All of the explaining goes out the window because a person is either going to like something or not. We're not changing anyone's minds here. let's be honest. If you like him, then you are going to fight for his ass to the end. If you don't then you are going to make sure everyone knows how much you hate it. That's just the facts when it comes down to it.

The main reason that the people who hate it though, me including do complain about it is because we want to be heard. So that maybe by some small thread of a chance that Ed Boon see's this and does something about it, before he makes another dumbass decision and tries to replace Sub-Zero with Frost in the next game. Believe me guys, he's thinking it too, ohhhh he's thinking it. When he does that too, i will say f**k that game from the start. Anyone want an explanation for that??? I hate frost. Plain and simple. She's sub-zero with tits and IMO will never ever be a replacement for sub-zero. That's all the explanation I need right there.

You guys are off topic and are giving me a headache!

This topic was about how you wouldve done Cyber Sub-Zero's STORY differently.
Now its about who's right and who is wrong... who is stupid and who isn't
to where the origins of the Sub-Zeros brothers names come from to Cyber Sub-Zeros being possessed by Kahn ending being canon or not... Clearly you guys could carry this in another thread. I hate reading the same crap.

I wanted someone to write about how Sub-Zero and Smoke were fleeing the Lin Kwai Temple and Sub-Zero stays behind to allow Smoke to escape or some crap like that.

I mean for once! Someone bring some possitive ideas into this thread instead of flooding it with blah blah blah blah blah

Hey I've given my thought on this topic though.

If we were to do it differently I would go about it this way.

A. have cyber subz be hydro. I mean people beg for Hydro anyway.
B. Have it be a clone.

Here's my story of how I would have it happen.

They Kidnap Kuai Liang just like in this crap story. Then they teleport back to their headquarters or whatever.

Kuai Liang then escapes. They catch up to him and knowing that they will turn him, he fakes his own death. Sektor takes a blood sample from the lifeless body of Kuai Liang.

Sektor then leaves Sub-Zero. When they get back to the Lin Kuei HQ sektor takes the blood sample from Sub-Zero, and places it into a drive on a pre-existing cyborg. Thus the cyborg is essentially a clone of Sub-Zero and the dna leaves the memories of Sub-Zero on this cyborg. It overrides the memories of the other human inside of the cyborg.

Now it comes down to in the next game, who is the real Sub-Zero? Kuai Liang or Cyber Kuai Liang? Sub-Zero now has to face his greatest enemy, himself.

While waiting between the epic posts of Garlador, you guys sure know how to put up a show. It's funny to come here and watch you guys fight over insignificant things. Hilarious! XD

And yet, you did.

Frankly, I rather think I'd like an apology. Or at least for you to just admit you took what I was saying the wrong way and didn't need to give me such a hard time about it.

You can PM it to me if you like, since, y'know, off-topic.

No, that was not what I threw out, I would have liked to see that concept in his ending to come back. How so?

*Sighs* I'll tell you why I want this concept to come out again:

All the dead warriors come back somehow by some mystical force, Raiden apologies for getting them all into this situation and they all go up against Shinnok and his forces since obvioulsy the next game is going to focus on him.

They're all in some armored gear preparing to go up against hordes and hordes of Shinnok's soldiers.

Therefore, the armor concept in Cyber's ending would be something cool to see again. Do I want it as the same look? No, I know it wouldn't be plausable because Kahn needs him to be possessed. I know the ending won't be canon, that's because Story Mode carries more of the canonized stuff than the arcade endings.

We really think Jade's ending is going to hold much purpose in the next game? Prolly not.

I would have liked to see someone discuss more about that ending in here, since OBVIOUSLY it's still apart of some story of his... Unfortunately, due to pathetic circumstances, we get a handful of sarcasms and suicidal ass crawlers.



This is the only thing I'll apologize, I realized that as soon as I logged off this site that I too carried off topic. Whoops.



But this I'm certainly not apologizing for. I got my reasons, don't like it, you can pm ME.



We all have our opinions, and if people can't accept that people have opinions that differs from them, they're at lost. It's ridiculous to see that some people can't cope that people see things differently than others, think differently than others and so on. People are entitled to like what they want, and if some people does not like the way they changed Sub-Zero's story, that shouldn't be something to get into a huge argument. People like different things, you don't like how his character was changed, I do, we're not agreeing about that, but I'm not going to insult the living crap out of you on this site because you have different thoughts than me about this character. You got your reasons to hate him, I got my reasons to like him. Respecting that other people think differently doesn't show too much on this site becuase one little disagreement can cause quite a stir.

People need to remember, everyone is entitled to their opinions whether they agree with it or disagree with it. There shouldn't be some sort of backlash coming out because one person is thinking differently than the others.

It's as simple as that. Nice post by the way.

Thats pretty much what happened with zmoke, hence why I stepped in previously.

I'd like to see that weapon come back from when he becomes posessed, if of course CSZ does come back in the next game. A demonised Cyborg would kick a lot of ass, there was potential there with Smoke but sadly they dropped the ball with that one. Icepick/Hammer for the win! :P

Icepick hammers are always for the win.

If he doesn't come back as a cyborg, there's definitely some "splainin" to do... I hope I spelled that correctly, (I Love Lucy, wonderful show).

Who knows, maybe in the next game, we could get a better grasp of this Sub-Zero, and if there's a human version of it, let's say, there's a possible way for him to get un-automated or something, there's a possible chance for that too.

The things that happens when a twenty-year old character gets a new story... The possibilities.

I know all the most common "nyms". It's a factor to take into account, yes. But Mortal Kombat is reputed of altering the way the names would be spelled by the common sense. Baraka was "Baracka" in MK9 for instance and Ermac have been spelled differently too, I recall. The way it's spelled might have nothing to do with the "etymology", NeRdS just wanted to give a headache to anyone uncovering it and to make it sound cooler, at the max. We concluded that Baraka's name meaning was "blessing" in Hebrew in the list. For any further questions, please visit a thread dedicated to this.
P.S. Chrome: After studying Hungarian, I've met some connections(!).

Excuse me but... What? EDIT: Oh Kay, it's fine by me then.
I haven't insulted anyone despite getting constant insults from some people who think are "cool" (no names) by disregarding the Community FAQ that's been written to be obeyed. Opinions are okay otherwise. You must have meant "with Zmoke and RazorsEdge701" right?
Nevertheless, let's get back to the key person here who is not me, not RE701, not even Chrome, Icebaby, J-Ra or NoobSaibot5 but Cyber Sub-Zero and most currently C.S.Z. Kahn, also known as Lich Fridge.
Trivia: Cyber Sub-Zero changed his bastard sword to a crude hammer when consenting Shao Kahn, a little like how Reiko changed his devastator sword from the MKA demo and picked the crude hammer instead (Fujin got the devastator). It fits Fujin perfectly, eh?

[The early VS. pose for Reiko in Mortal Kombat: Armageddon]

I was reffering to this zmoke:

"We all have our opinions, and if people can't accept that people have opinions that differs from them, they're at lost. It's ridiculous to see that some people can't cope that people see things differently than others, think differently than others and so on. People are entitled to like what they want, and if some people does not like the way they changed Sub-Zero's story, that shouldn't be something to get into a huge argument. People like different things, you don't like how his character was changed, I do, we're not agreeing about that, but I'm not going to insult the living crap out of you on this site because you have different thoughts than me about this character. You got your reasons to hate him, I got my reasons to like him. Respecting that other people think differently doesn't show too much on this site becuase one little disagreement can cause quite a stir.

People need to remember, everyone is entitled to their opinions whether they agree with it or disagree with it. There shouldn't be some sort of backlash coming out because one person is thinking differently than the others.

It's as simple as that. Nice post by the way."

You made a post, Razor very strongly disagreed, and I mentioned he was being too hostile towards you just for having a different perspective on Havik's costume design than he did.

Relax, I wasn't on the attack against you at all. If anything I was agreeing with Icebaby that people shouldn't feel attacked for having a contrasting opinion.

Back on topic, since CSZ will inevitably be in the Netherealm in the next game, how would you guys feel if he became as corrupt as his brother, and DIDNT go back to side with the Earthrealm foes?

How would you feel if he held Raiden accountable for his transformation and subsequent death, and decided "fuck him. I'm being on Shinnok's side"?