Well like I said, the kids of women with two last names sometimes get stuck with them too, which I imagine is a terrible inconvenience. But I was not aware that there were countries/cultures still using places of origin in their names. Having a location for a last name makes you sound like a character from some medieval setting like Robin Hood or King Arthur.

All slavic nations have those, almost all Asian countries. The lack of is the surprising exception.

Seems to me one's hometown is largely irrelevant to identity in this day and age...at least in first-world countries, I guess.

Lol I know. I also don't know if you hate Cyber Subz as much as I do either though, I mean I loath the idea so badly, so you can see why I'm trying to make it as if it never existed in the first place.lol. If I was an actual writer I'd just go the route of having Sareena take Sub-Zero to quan chi's purification chamber and bam he's human again.

However, I'm still not completely sold that the sister, or frost, idea couldn't work.

Say Sub-Zero's sister was kidnapped and held captive by the Lin Kuei, but Kuai nor Bi Han knew about it. They were holding her as leverage in the case that they left. When Bi Han died and Kuai Liang abandonded the Lin Kuei they brought her into the picture.

Also let's bring into account that maybe Sub-Zero's sister wasn't at an age were her powers were realized yet, and she had no idea that these powers even existed within her.

So, when Kuai Liang did escape, let's say he did get away after they took him in Kahn's Coliseum.

However, what Sub-Zero didn't know is that Sektor was stealing a great portion of Kuai's memories in this case when they were zapping him in Kahn's Coliseum.

So they then take his sister and automate her transferring Kuai Liang's memories into her so that the cryomancer ability is realized within her. The only problem is that she also had much of Kuai Liang's memories transferred onto her as well, but since Sektor knew she would pretty much be a slave anyway he knew that wasn't a problem.

When the others unlocked Cyber Subz memories, it had all of Kuai Liang's memories on it's drive, so therefore Cyber Subz thought he was Kuai Liang even though it's really his sister. So, his friendship with Smoke, his being brother's with Bi Han are all realized as well, but it's still the younger sister.

The voice can just be retconned, I mean it had a robotic sound to it anyway.

So there's my theory on that.

If it was Hydro, well they'd have to do a whole lot of stuff to explain that.

My thoughts though. Reptile was the dragon king in one game, and come next game Oh that's right no he really isn't. They just made a story for why he wasn't. That's NRS's thoughts on things. While Cyber Sub-Zero could be Kuai Liang this game, they could turn around and say he isn't in the next game, no matter how illogical it is.

What would be even funnier is if they show him in the first part of the next game in his human form in the netherrealm, which I'm not counting out at all, even though in this game they clearly showed his soul as being a cyborg.

It could still turn out that the cyborg we all seen wasn't Kuai Liang though that's all I'm saying.

However, even if it is him. I want them to keep him as Sub-Zero, if they pull this crap that Noob Saibot is Sub-Zero again it will suck arse to me, at this point Bi Han=Noob Saibot, Kuai Liang=Sub-Zero.

Quan Chi's restoration chamber is just so much simpler, and makes more sense, imo.

Yea it would be simpler I'll definitely admit that.

Although, it wouldn't be hard to explain if each character had their own individual story. I don't know if I've said this before but I wish each character had their own story.

When I say that, Dead or Alive 4 story's come into mind except with more dialogue. The way it is, is you choose story mode and it goes into the select screen which you then choose your character, after that you fight through a number of people, but the characters story is told along the way.

Why MK can't do something like that I don't know. I just feel characters would benefit much more from it than trying to cram them all into one big convoluted story. There are too many stories that don't have to do with the main plotline that need to be told and can expand on the character as a whole. It would also allow people to see the bad side of things.

I just don't like how story mode is set up now at all.

Also I feel that a problem arises when talking about Sareena reviving Sub-Zero, Does she even realize who he is, and does she care?

Also, if she gives this treatment to him, why not try and sneak another couple off at the same time? To me it just doesn't make sense to revive one character and not have them all arrived, in which I hope everyone realizes that not everyone is going to be revived to fight in the next game.

Take Deception as an example, even though Ermac revived them Earth's fighters weren't playable.

As far as the Younger Sister, who I would have turn out to be frost, the timeline would go like this.

-She is captured at the same time as Kuai Liang and Bi Han. However, she is raised in a home where she doesn't even know she has siblings and doesn't know of her origins at all.(All of this is behind the scenes and could be shown through flashbacks.)

-Kuai liang is taken in Kahn's Coliseum by the cyborgs in which they are scanning him at the same time copying memories from him.

-Sektor takes Kuai Liang with full intentions of automating him, but Kuai manages to escape from them and goes off the map.

-Sektor then takes the girl from her adopted family, hired by the Lin Kuei, and automates her. (She is age 17-18 at the time and while the powers may show by this time she doesn't even know she has powers and thus hasn't practiced to achieve them.) Kuai Liang's memories are transferred onto her to achieve the power they need.

-Cyber Subz is born and it is the sister, but all along she thinks she is Kuai Liang, until all of the heroes are eventually revived to their normal state in which Kuai Liang's memories are erased and she realizes who she is. Enraged at Kuai Liang for letting her undergo this process she sets out to kill him and exact her revenge. Leading to the creation of Frost.

After some thought, I've come to the realization that the only way I would have been cool (sorry) with it would be the revelation that it's the dead body of the brothers' father, kept in - what else? - cold storage all these years as the Lin Kuei try to study to find a way to tap into the Cryomancers' power. At the same time however, I acknowledge that having no less than three members of a family in the game is kinda weaksauce.

So this means that all the characters who have no family in the game or only have one other, like the Subbie brothers, are all weak"sauce" to you? Because that would mean that you would find Smoke one of them, as he has no family what so ever appearing in any of the games.

Otherwise, I hope you were just trying to be funny.

*Cough*

This only supports my question, so I don't see what you are trying to say with this.

No, you're not reading it right.

The phrase 'I acknowledge that having no less than three members of a family in the game is kinda weaksauce"

Can be read more directly as

'Having three members of a family in the series is kinda weaksauce."

What you're reading it as is "having less than three members of a family in the game is kinda weaksauce."

Ooohh... Then yes, I did read it wrong. XD Sorry. :3
Well, then I agree with you. The Subbie brothers are good enough as it is. No father, no dead brother's body resurrected, no sister... The two of them are more than enough.

No worries. And yeah, I feel the same way.

In fact, I wonder if it wouldn't have been better to simply introduce a third Cyber-ninja named Hydro instead.
All things considered, I've gotten...I don't want to say 'tolerant' of the CSZ idea, but it's accurate to say it no longer pisses me off like it did on release. I hated it because I saw it as a pointless effort. Now I'm just waiting to be proven right when human subbie comes back - whoever it is.

Yeah, but Cyber Sub-Zero still strikes me as a pointless character and his death in this game proves that they had no idea what to do with him... in that case, why did you even make him a robot for just a one time gimmick sort of thing?

I don't think they didn't know what to do with him in the story. But I do believe they should have at least make him a survivor if they were planing on keeping this version of him in the next game.

Ok not trying to hate, but, not only did he get turned into a cyborg in this game taking Smoke's story essentially. Then he would become Sektor's slave in the next game making his story almost identical to smoke. Noob Smoke? Remember that? It would be almost identical except for Sektor Sub-Zero. I would want that to be the last option possible.

Man, I wish this cyber sub-zero thing would have never happened, because now he has fans, not near as many as human subz and I will guarantee that, but fans nonetheless. So now for years to come if they try to make cyber subz disappear we will just see people saying where is cyber subz at? He should be in the game (rage everywhere because he's not).

Honestly I'm still on the stance that this was pure nonsense, people who do like him good for you. In my opinion though he's a move stealing, shock value who really didn't deserve a spot in the game over cyber smoke or Motaro, or Chameleon, Khameleon for that matter.

I actually like the idea of cyber subz being the dad though that's kind of a good idea. I feel they went about bringing a cyber sub-zero in the worst way possible though. Honestly, i cannot think of a worse way to bring a new character in than by essentially killing an old fan favorite in order to bring in something that certainly was not asked for. So many different ways cyber subz could have been brought about, and I say shame on NRS for pulling cyber subz off the way they did. Kuai Liang should not have been an option because let's remember He's only missed one fighting game and that's MK1 just like Scorpion has only missed MK3, so essentially Kuai Liang has just as much right to be in as Scorpion does. Everyone saying he can be replaced by Bi Han should pay attention to that.

Except it wouldn't because Noob had nothing to do with the Lin Kuei anymore... And Sektor does... Just because Sub-Zero would be serving for Sektor doesn't mean that it's Noob-Smoke all over again. Both Noob and Sektor have different stories that don't even come close to each other's, and if Sub-Zero was Sektor's slave, we'd be seeing something different than having him be a bitch.

Smoke's story was literally trashed the moment they came up with the idea of teaming two characters together.

I'll take Sub-Zero being a b**ch for now if it means he's human in the next game.lol. I actually liked that he died because now there's no excuse at all that he shouldn't come back as a human. Also it would probably be worse in this case because you're right Noob and Smoke didn't involve the Lin Kuei and this situation does. However, that would just make Sub-Zero an equivalent to any other Lin Kuei assassin and essentially STILL sektor's b**ch.

If I as a Cyber Subz hater admit that he's faster and is a somewhat good fighter, can the fans of him admit that he was a bad idea storywise because I'm almost willing to make that trade off. Honestly it did nothing for Sub-Zero and took away from Smoke.

If they wanted to do more with it they should have kept Smoke the one who got automated and done more with him than just have him set around doing nothing for years in the next game. Especially if they were going to kill Smoke anyway. I still just feel that there's a difference here with that.

The first time Sub-Zero(Kuai Liang) was playable was as a human and had nothing to do with Sektor or Cyrax. The first time Smoke was playable was as a cyborg and his whole story based off of Sektor and Cyrax. That's why I still think it should have been him getting automated in the end, if anyone at all.

The whole way cyber subz was introduced to me is just an abomination, I'm sorry to people who do like the way he was introduced though. Like I've said I do not at all hate the character, but making him Kuai Liang was the wrong way to go about it and I still stand by that.

We saw the cyborg speak with a deep, manly voice and demonstrate having the memory and personality of a male character.

It'd be contrived enough to say "Oh, it's not really Kuai, it's his dad or someone else"...

But to go even farther and say "Under the armor was actually a chick all along" would become the most creepy and embarrassing thing in fighting games since Bridget from Guilty Gear. You have essentially suggested adding a robot tranny to the Mortal Kombat universe, and making this tranny one of the "Sub-Zero"s. Easily a far worse thing to do to the most popular identity and legacy in the franchise than anything MK9 already did.

Either leave him a cyborg or take him to Senor Chi's restoration chamber! Gee wiz, I don't know why some of y'all keep overcomplicating the shit out of this. They should do what's simple AND makes the most sense.

Okay I get it manly voice.lol. You know though every one of the cyborgs, even though they are male, have a deep voice and they could easily say that's the default voice of the cyborgs.

Also I already described why exactly she had the memories of a man in her, and not a female. When she gets revived along with the other heroes all of Kuai Liang's memories disappear, and she becomes her own identity.

Still I agree with cyber demon the best way to do it is have Sareena take him to the purification chamber and he's then made new again.

By the way we've already had tranny's in MK didn't you see Kitana's junk in MK vs DC?lol

And no it wouldn't be any more embarrassing than anything that came in MK9.lol. Jax's arms getting ripped off while people just stood and watched was downright idiotic, Sub-Zero getting captured while anyone, not just Raiden, could have helped him. The whole damn story being retconned with ridiculous things like Mileena having the mind of a child is embarrassing as well. Just saying If you went with my theory, even though it's complicated, it wouldn't be much worse than anything in this game. Hell Shang Tsung turned into a clown for his fatality.

Excuse for male voice: The armor has a default deep robotic voice.

Excuse for male memories: She has Kuai Liang's memories to unlock the cryomancer ability so of course she has male memories.

Basically she has the memories and identity of a dude so her being like a dude isn't a far reach, when the armor gets shed, her former memories emerge and she returns to her normal self though, possibly by Ermac, she is revealed to have been the sister all along. To the shock of many, like Samus in Metroid.

Okay I get it bad idea, but we are all just throwing out our thoughts here and since no one is taking into account my reasons why exactly the female would sound like a male but would essentially end up being female, then you guys give your ideas on how he should become human again.

The thing is I would also have Kuai Liang already introduced before cyber subz as well, and possibly even have him fight with his cyber counterpart showing the cyborg that it's not Kuai Liang, leaving it wondering who it really is. It would also tell the audience this isn't Kuai Liang, so everyone would start wondering who it is. Then it turns out to be frost(who I would have be his sister) and with the reasons I've already given I feel it's at least plausible. He does after all have a female move, Sonya's arc kick. Plus cyber is much slimmer than normal sub-zero and I would even say he looks slimmer than cyrax or sektor.

It's not spitting on the Sub-Zero name either because it wouldn't be Sub-Zero it'd be frost.

Just saying everyone keeps saying it'd be spitting on the Sub-Zero name and it would be a Sub-Zero, but it wouldn't. Because the cyborg wouldn't be Sub-Zero at all in my idea.

Imagine a scene where Sub-Zero beats the piss out of Cyber subz and then tells it you are not Kuai Liang because I am. Then Cyber Subz starts to try and think back and has visions of before she was automated. She then is later revived as frost. To which all of Kuai Liang's memories were erased from her memory, but the process Kuai Liang had her go through is not.

It's a robot so a generic male voice is not anything that couldn't be explained, also they could have put the male voice on the robot to be more intimidating. I feel you guys just aren't looking outside the box with this idea but just rather shooting it down anyway possible saying "So now cyber subz is a tranny?". No it's a girl, but Kuai Liang's memories had to be used in order to have her cryomancer ability unlocked so yes she has his male memories, for a time anyway.

Like crazy things haven't been done in Mk ever. Zombie Kang, Lizard man reptile, Meat in general, Mokap, Hsu Hao. It's Mk and if cyber subz turned out to be a female, it would be yet another shock. which NRS loves apparently. I also feel it's a good way to introduce Frost and even have her be a more of Sub-Zero's storyline.