Kano warned him that he turned on them and attacked in the clocktower sure.

But Noob would've met him offscreen way before that when he was still working with Sektor and Cyrax.

Noob is even standing right there talking to Sektor and Cyrax at the beginning of the scene where Subbie reports in, pretending to still be on their side to gather intel. So clearly the graveyard is not the first time they've met, it's just the first time Noob tells Subbie who he is.



In conversation with one another, sure, but the other members of Kahn's army would still need to know their actual names.

Upon further thought, you're most likely right. If I remember correctly, Cyrax said his name and unit number in SZ's chapter..

Well, I guess you're right.

Still do you not think it would have been a better encounter, and at least a little more plausible Noob recognized him, if Kuai Liang was still human when they met?

You know I've been pissed and admittedly gripey about the cyber thing for a while, but the more I think about it, logically things could have really turned out better if he wasn't turned cyber at all. I would have even took his death as well, that sucks he died. It just made some things more unsensible to me.

Like Raiden, or anyone for that matter not at least stepping in to do something to help Subz anything at all, like hey shao kahn your shoes untied.lol. or Noob and the interaction with him as a cyborg.

I still just feel that it was an out of place element that was simply thrown in to make us say, "Holy Sh**, WTF is going on?

The possibility exists that Raiden had not meddled in Sub's abduction because it happened during the tournament, which rules Raiden swore to abide by when accepting the challenge.


Which brings up the question: if a third party interferes and abducts a victor, is it in Kahn's power to -at- whim- allow a participant to be taken away? Technically he is the host. Raiden interrupting there would have been hostile action (since Kahn probably would have taken it as such) and the Lin Kuei swore allegiance anyway, so seconds later technically Kahn's new forces abduct Kuai Liang.

Smoke were not participating in anything, he just found Shang practicing his mad l337 FPS skills with an RPG7. If so, Raiden's inaction might be logical, but then again....

Eh, Raiden still could've shot them down.. the Lin Kuei were trespassing anyway so I highly doubt Shao Kahn would've cared if Raiden chased the Lin Kuei off.

Or Kahn could have used that event as an excuse to disqualify the tresspassers. Frankly speaking disqualifying the two most potent dangers from the tourney which is supervised by the Elder Gods of Doing Nothing Kahn could have made it basically be sure to be won.

At least, this is what I would have made sure. Shang was the host of the MK1 and previous tournaments for a time and he descreed the rules. Same with Kahn.

Who in his right fucking mind would not use a technicality to disqualify the two most dangerous foes from his LIFELONG GOAL winning tournament?

I agree with you here. If not Raiden someone else or maybe even the group. I mean step in and say hey this isn't part of the game, let his arse go.lol. That's all it takes.

They just let him go though like it was nothing.

Also people that keep saying there will be a human sub-zero for sure in the next game might want to check themselves. All of us were saying there won't be a cyber sub-zero because they would be stupid to pull it, but guess what they pulled it. Also with Boon's hard on for Scorpion I wouldn't be surprised if he pulled that either because he wants to even things up between them since Sub-Zero has never missed a game.

All he has to do is say well you got frost. Like that will make up for it. I still say I won't play it though if that happens. I ain't playing that game, you better turn Kuai Liang back NRS.lol

Also, I was searching Kamidogu forums and at least a few of those guys seem to think that cyber subz turning up as Hydro wouldn't be too crazy of an idea. I admit the frost thing is a bit out there, but my reasoning behind it is.

Say they bring back Elder Sub-Zero, then that's Elder Subz, Cyber Subz, and most likely Frost. Three ice characters in a game.

Then let's say it turns out cyber subz isn't Kuai Liang somehow, then that's Sub-Zero, Hydro, and Frost. Still three characters, which is why I was trying to put Frost in cyber subz position or have Kuai Liang reverted back somehow. However, if they were to redo some things about cyber subz they could make him Hydro. That way a blue cyber character would always be in the mix even if it isn't a Sub-Zero.

Cysuze is quite cool in my opinion, an a character I hope will stay with us for longer.

Sub Zero wasn't even an "Earthrealm Protector" at this point (unlike Smoke, who was), so why would Raiden save him? Also, the only other time they met him, he was kind of a dick, just sayin'.

Wrong on both counts, Smoke joined Raiden's team AFTER/BECAUSE Raiden saved him, so being on Raiden's side has nothing to do with who Raiden saves, Raiden saved Smoke because he hadn't figured out who the "he" in "he must win" was yet and he thought it could be anybody, even Smoke.

And that's another reason just letting Sub get captured makes no sense: the same could have been true of Sub-Zero, Raiden didn't know he wasn't the "he" who must win either! So why would Raiden stand by and do nothing when for all he knows, that's the guy meant to stop Armageddon that he's watching be taken out of the tournament?

And none of Raiden's group had met Kuai Liang yet when they watched him get captured (except Smoke, obviously, who was, y'know, his best friend and wanted Raiden to save him). Sonya and Jax had met him earlier, but Sonya and Jax weren't there. So he wasn't "kind of a dick" to any of them.

*Verbal beat down*

Maybe I should do some research before going by memory next time lol.

Not saying this to be a dick, but is it fair to say that any smoke fan is a fan of Cyber Sub-Zero, and is it also fair to say that it's obvious why they are a fan of him.

Like I said not trying to be a dick, but I haven't seen many Smoke fans who didn't say they liked cyber subz. The few Smoke fans that do say they don't like cyber sub-zero just say they could go either way, as long as Smoke isn't cyber. I still say Smoke fits better though, IMHO. I really don't want either of them to be cyber, although I think they could have went somewhere with cyber Smoke, but they really dropped the ball. That's all it takes for cyber smoke to work is them not to drop the ball.

Johnny Cage, Raiden, and Smoke could have helped stop the Lin Kuei, they were all there, or like I said step in and tell Kahn that allowing him to be taken was not part of the rules. Just something I don't know, it would take some thinking which I don't feel like doing right now, but they should have at least tried to help Sub-Zero but they didn't.

Also even though Smoke was worried about Sub-Zero the fact that he didn't tell Raiden to F**k himself because he was going to help his friend made him look like a dick and a coward to me.

Everyone says Sub-Zero was a dick in his chapter as well, but honestly he didn't seem it to me. He apologized to cyrax and said he was sorry for what had happened to him. Even though he couldn't help Sonya, remember he was trying to find his brother's killer, he did tell her where to go to get Jax some help. He also spared Reptile's life, when I'm sure Reptile had all intents and purpose to kill him. He may have sounded like a dick, but actions speak louder than words and he was still somewhat the sympathetic Sub-Zero there.

In the old storyline they were both fighting together and Sub-Zero proved strong enough to get away. Smoke wasn't so he got captured, This time around Sub-Zero was forced into it and had no chance to fight, which sucked balls.

Another reason I don't want it to be him who was automated is because of his final line before we saw him taken away. "No, I will not be turned."

I just hope he comes back in the next game with a vengeance, however it happens. Saying that I don't want him to be Scorpion 2.0 though. He does deserve some revenge against Sektor though.

Not really, there are still Smoke fans out there who liked him better as a cyborg. Me, for instance.

I'm only a Smoke fan when he's a cyborg.

I'm actually a cyber smoke fan too.

Lol. Daryui I know you're a cyber smoke fan as well because I've seen you comment about it a lot.

I'm also a human sub-zero fan as well though, but honestly it has nothing in relation to me liking cyber smoke.

Cyber Smoke was initially my favorite cyborg, even before I knew his story. I didn't even know Smoke and Sub-Zero were both Lin Kuei until I got older and started to get into the story around the time deadly alliance was released

I like him better as a cyborg though. I feel it gives him more character depth than he has otherwise. It can be argued, but I still feel he didn't bring much to the table in MK9 and came off as rather bland.

He comes across as the most boring Ninja to me honestly. He has a huge following though which surprises me. He was initially just a grey ninja with Scorps and Sub-Zero's moves. He wasn't even the first secret character either, I believe Reptile was.

My top five are:

Sub-Zero(Kuai Liang)
Jade
Rain
Cyber Smoke
Noob Saibot

Without cyber smoke though I'm missing a piece to my puzzle there.lol. I would have to say that Raiden also used to be a favorite of mine but with his idiot after idiot move in this game that heavily declined.lol.

I've always felt pretty much the same. Even if Sub-Zero had stayed human, I'd be mad Smoke did too because to me, the robot version IS Smoke, that's how I think of the character, the gray ninja from MK2 is just boring to me. I never liked Smoke until MK3 but in MK3, Smoke became one of my favorite characters because he looked so cool and had a great story and now it's all gone...

And damn if MK9 didn't try its hardest to make Human Smoke even less appealing looking than a palette swap with no color was. His moves are great and all but he's got a flamboyant, feminine haircut with those bangs and whatnot, and what the hell is a master of quickness and stealth with a light, airy based power doing wearing TWO costumes covered in tons of armored plates and bulletproof vests? They couldn't give either his primary OR his alt a look that makes sense? What about how he looked in Shaolin Monks, why not something more like that? Or just add skin and clothes to Deception Smoke?

Hell, you could even keep the long white hair if you styled it in a way that actually fits a NINJA instead of a way that makes him look like a girl. For example...



(Yes, you did just get a sneak peek at some fan art I haven't posted yet)

Sektor and Cyrax got ponytails, to reference the dreads their cyborg forms would go on to have, and Smoke was one of them in the old timeline, so why not him too?

Absolutely not. Becoming a cyborg was the last thing I wanted them to do to Sub. I was overjoyed Smoke remained human this time, and was looking forward to seeing the two of them fight against Cyrax and Sektor together. Never did I imagine that all they would do was pull a quick switcheroonie between the two. That, to me, was shoddy shock-writing.

I feel absolutely the reverse that as Razor does about Smoke; To me he's never been much more than a plot accessory for Sub-Zero, and speaking about the tragedy of his character is something I've found in recent years to be questionable, because honestly, he's never really had a personality. He was a great stepping stone for Sub-Zero's ongoing saga, but I identified him up until now as the epitome of wasted potential in the MK world.

It was MKII in my case that endeared me to him. I found his silver/black scheme striking, and loved the way he'd dash across the screen in this smoky blur to knock your character on their ass. I was a little disappointed when he became a cyber-ninja, but it was the beginning of his story, so I was happy about that at least. Nevertheless it's always nagged at me that he basically became 'robot scorpion'. Very, very early MK3 plans called for Cyrax to be exactly that, and I've always had a sneaking suspicion that his MK3 spear was initially designed to be used for such a character until they decided 'we'll make an original yellow Cyber-ninja, and give the spear to that other guy from MKII who had it last time. Cyber-Scorpion would be silly, but we can play with someone else.'

The background and mannerisms that they gave him in this go-around were long, long overdue in order for the potential of the character as a whole to come to fruition IMO; from my earliest days on this site (when it was called MK5.org and my username was Cyber-Smoke) people like myself and TemperaryUserName were rooting for Smoke to finally get his humanity back. We were kind of appalled when he did, and he was still brainless, serving under Noob. We wanted to see what he'd be like as a human...and here it is. Not the way we were hoping it would happen, but it happened.

I love him no matter what form he's in, I think he looks good both ways, and I'm not opposed to having him become a cyber-ninja again at some point, but I find the Enenra plot thread to be a good new angle to pursue for him. It sucks for Sub-Zero's plotline, but they went ahead in the original timeline and gave Cyrax the closure that Smoke never got, so I'm not too upset if the focus for a character to struggle with their loss of humanity shifts to him instead, as it appears to be.

Ideally, if they wanted to switch things up, I'd have had Sub save Smoke midway through the conversion process, so that he keeps his free will, but becomes partially cybernetic and still views himself as corrupted.

I find it hard to root for the idea of finally finding out what Smoke's personality is like after all these years of waiting, when it turns out that his personality is "always jumps to the wrong conclusion or picks fights with allies for no reason until he finally learns maybe it's better to just stay in the background doing nothing and keeping his fool mouth shut, because if he'd kept that shit up, Raiden would've had to slap him." A deep-thinking man who struggles with difficult moral choices as he switches from hitman to good guy, I am afraid he's not. Also, poor guy has a lisp. If I had a lisp, I'd willingly sign up for automation just to get my voice box replaced with an awesome sounding vocoder and fix that problem forever. (I will say that him being the one ninja in MK who does that classic anime-style "sticks up two fingers when performing magic" pose is pretty cool, though.)

I daresay the only person who got the shorter "this game is the first time we've ever had personalities" straw is Jade and that's only because she has a verbal tic that prevents her from speaking any sentence without adding the words "too" and "easy" to it. Seriously, what is that about?

I've never even minded the reprogrammed by Noob thing like everyone else. I knew it was just a means to explain why he's been missing from the series for so many games and provide a potentially really cool end - I really wanted to see how that "cyber-demon" evolution his nanobot form was undergoing ended. His new enenra origin could've even played right into it, like he wasn't just being corrupted by the energies of Hell at random, it was his true nature finally emerging. A cyberdemon is a way cooler idea than just a regular demon, I mean none of the other cyborgs can turn into supernatural monsters, they're all science.

I think the main reason why some people (like me) like smoke's costumes in this game is because it's SOMETHING. after nothing but the occasional pallet swap, individuality for human smoke is pretty nice.

oh, and I freaking LOVE how that smoke design looks.

I think that's a little unfair, and something of an exaggeration. Kitana picked both fights with him, the first seemingly on Kahn's orders to keep the Earthrealmers out. And the second time, all he did was tell her that they'd fight her if they had to (understandable, as she was rather hostile, and upset that they were around to begin with). And she went after him.

He did attack Jade, but had thought that it was Kitana on the ground at Jade's hand, and not Mileena (and for the amount of people who say that the two look nothing alike any more, there's a little reminder that they're still supposed to be very similar...in theory, anyway). And I don't even blame him; Johnny said he "thought [Jade] was a bad guy...girl". He'd just watched the the head honcho himself sell his best friend, and had no reason to trust any of Kahn's men. He probably didn't even know Mileena existed.

The impression I got from him was that he was hotheaded and a bit of a smartass, but fiercely loyal to those he fights with. Respectful too; he didn't turn around and blame Raiden for getting Sub-Zero captured, even though he had every right.

I wouldn't put Jade into the same boat as Smoke at all in terms of personality. She's always at least had the issue of her divided loyalties between her friend and her emperor ("I do not question the Emperor's commands..." - "I failed you Kitana...now I will make amends." - "blind loyalty is not a good thing, as I have learned."), and her choice between the two of them. I thought Story portrayed that fairly well (and I'd place 'too easy' a few levels above ''where there is Sm"-fuck it I can't even say it). That alone gave her much more in the way of character than Smoke ever got up until now. She had something; and this game showed that off a bit.

Smoke was literally a case of making something from nothing, and I came away happy with pretty much everything save for that stupid, stupid catchphrase. And I didn't hear a lisp; his s's and z's sounded distinct, no 'th' in place of any 's'. Just seemed to me like he had a very thin, scratchy voice.

I don't think I am exaggerating much, I think that when a character gets so little screentime, every little scene you get of them counts because that's all you have to derive their personality from.



They DIDN'T have to. If he'd kept his mouth shut and let Raiden do the talking, Kitana's hostility would have EASILY been solved with words instead of fists. You say Kitana started that fight, but she had a right not to trust people who she thinks are her enemies. Raiden's side, on the other hand, all KNEW, because Raiden had JUST said so to them, that the entire reason they came there was to attempt to recruit her, so responding to threats by being all "Oh yeah? Well bring it!" could have completely jeopardized the whole attempt. So Smoke was the one who started it by butting in where he wasn't needed.



But nothing, Raiden literally yelled at him to stop, that he was misunderstanding, and he did not listen or even hesitate for a second.

If MK9 is all we have to go by to determine what Smoke is like as a person, then you have to take every scene he has for what it says about him because there are so god damned few of them. And those MK2 scenes portray Smoke as "the team's requisite dumb aggressive asshole who jumps to use fists first, ask questions later".

And I don't want to think of a dumb asshole when I think of a character who used to be one of my favorites (unless they're a villain or their name is Johnny Cage), but dammit, if you removed him from those scenes, the ones that are left wouldn't show him having ANY personality at all. The only time he IS a character is when he's picking fights with women in the midst of his leader actively trying to recruit them. All his other scenes, he doesn't show any traits or nuances, he just walks around Outworld carrying out this for Sub-Zero or that for Raiden.

"Friends with _____" and "Loyal to ______" are not personalities. "Arrogant", "somber", "stoic", "cheerful", THOSE are personality traits, those are ways people can sound with they talk. And Smoke didn't get any of that except when he attacked Kitana and Jade.

Same problem with Jade, her friendship with Kitana doesn't SAY anything about what she's like, "has a best friend and doesn't want her to die" isn't some great revelation that makes her unique, and constantly repeating that everything is "too easy" doesn't sound cocky or sassy like it's probably supposed to, it sounds forced, which leaves her true personality still a complete mystery. (Come to think of it, UMK3 might have made her sound more complex than she is in 9. It made the choice between Kahn and Kitana sound difficult for her whereas in 9 there's no hesitation.) Say what you will about "where there's smoke, there's fire" being meaningless babble...but at least he doesn't say it during story mode, much less repeat it 20 times until you're convinced he doesn't even know what a fire IS.

At least his plated wear is not armor. If they intended it as such it is laughable.

Not far akin to a brigandine, so... stealth would not be a problem in those. Just again, it is designed according to MK ninja style and not logic.

To be honest, I''d probably do it similiar as NRS did, excpet that he gets ambushed and it doesn't get seen by a party of good guys not doing anything about it... Would be interesting to see him fighting cyborg after cyborg till exhaustin' and finally having to give in...

this would make it more dramatic for me.... also I wouldn't have him die right out with Sindel, I actually thought he should have been a survivor... and let him turning to normal Sub-zero after doing something that favors the elder gods but involves him dying in the process... a reward of such, maybe in the next game he would have made a sacrifice to ensure Shinnoks defeat or something...

This way Cyborg sub-zero gets to shine for a while, and return normal Sub-zero in the end... and maybe Cyborg Sub-Zero could still exist after Lin Keui claiming Cyber sub-zero original remains or something... (or turn one of their other gazillion Cryomancers) ...

I agree.



Raiden: "Princess Kitana, I request an audience."

Kitana: "Earthrealmers! How dare you approach me!"

Cage: Hey listen honey, we don't wanna fight."

Smoke: "But we will if we must!"

Kitana: "You will learn respect!" (speaking of catchphrases...)

*Kitana vs. Smoke and Cage Fight starts*

Raiden made his request, she answered with hostility. Cage and Smoke warned her, and she decided she'd try and teach them a thing or two. Jade herself said the following not thirty seconds earlier:

"We will talk later, when you are in more of a mind to listen."

Kitana was quite clearly pissed, and Jade called it. When Raiden & co. came along, she continued being pissed and went after both of them. Cage told her straight, and Smoke warned her. She made that choice. It was Kitana versus both of them, and not Smoke alone, and I didn't see her give Raiden a chance to explain anything or even try to stop it the way he did with Smoke & Jade. Of course she had a right not to trust those she thinks are enemies, but If she won't even listen to her best friend, why would she listen to anything bunch of Earthrealmers - the enemy - have to say? The mood she was in, Smoke could probably not have added a thing to Cage's statement and she would have gone after them anyway. Sure he didn't help matters by warning her that they'd fight - if they had to - but the warning was a fair one. In the end, she came after both of them anyway. The last words (or catchphrase, if you prefer) were hers.



Because, like Kitana, he was good and pissed. I never said Smoke didn't start the fight against Jade. He did. But he too was in just as agitated a state of mind as Kitana had been. Moreso. What you've said goes for Smoke as well - he has just as much right to mistrust any Outworlders,
especially after watching Kahn sell his best friend to be converted into a machine. If you want to excuse Kitana's behavior, you have to give Smoke that too. For all the vaunted tragedy that is Sub-Zero's loss of his best friend in the original timeline; the same thing applies to Smoke here. He just lost his brother and friend, of course he's going to be
pissed.



Not from where I'm standing. I see a touch of hotheadedness and a smart mouth (which I found enjoyable, something to differentiate him albeit slightly from his serious as all-hell comrades), yes, but I also see compassion. How about that? The ten seconds they spend zooming in on his face right after the loss of his best friend. It affected him deeply. "What they have done to him is...hideous." As CSZ is coming online, "Are you sure this will work?" There's some concern. He's not some perpetually angry jackass; you're literally taking the moment he attacks Jade in a justifiably upset state - incidentally, for what he thought was attacking someone who had already attacked him in his own chapter - and his warning to Kitana, and using those two moments to try and define his entire character as a 'dumb asshole' without any consideration of his own circumstances. They may be moments where he's especially emotional, but they are NOT the only moments he gets, and they're understandable.

Single sentences and moments CAN be telling. Not saying they can't, but they cannot be picked and chosen the way you're doing. Take everything, or nothing at all. Sheeva gets a nice line about honor through execution, but it doesn't tell us a thing about her race's natural distaste for the Centaurs. You take that, and add it to what we know of her already. Every little bit helps, like you said.



Untrue; you're picking and choosing, which perplexes me when you've highlighted how important it is to take into account all the time a character gets, everything a character says or does. I've already covered "compassionate" and "loyal". Actions can also speak louder than words, as the old chestnut goes, and when I consider the fact that he was ready to take on Shang Tsung and Kano, I could also add 'brave', 'confident' or 'fearless' to that list, although I'm not that much of a kiss-ass to apply
that last, even toward my favorite character - nor would I apply 'stupid' to that scenario, although one certainly could depending on their viewpoint. I'd say 'reckless' and 'brave' balance things out nicely, possibly also 'overconfident'. Then there's his "I will never submit!" line after he whoops Sektor straight afterwards. We could analyze that one eight ways from Sunday too.


I'd say, from the way she described Baraka as an 'excellent guard dog' and told him that he should 'learn to heel' shows some degree of sassiness. "Good boy" too. Her unwillingness to continue a conversation with Kitana when she's in an agitated state shows her as level-headed. I do wish that Story had made her decision to choose between her Emperor and her friend seem like more of a struggle, but they indeed did just have her shift allegiances when Kitana was taken away. We may not know about Jade to write a book on her (who CAN we really say such for, apart from Kuai Liang?), but we got a good ten minutes of her, which is more than 95%
of the fighting game population ever receives. I don't know how you can watch any chapter of Story and say it doesn't add to the character in question (barring the recent shitty treatment of Kung Lao, Raiden and Mileena, instances where what's added on flies in the face of what we know already), especially if you consider them to have had little to no character in the first place - for better or for worse.

Honestly, the only time I remember her saying 'too easy' was after the Baraka fight. If you have a link to the script I'd like to look it up. But...Smoke does indeed deliver his blessed catchphrase, right after his first fight
against Kitana.

You know saying that there probably isn't a character that can have a book written on them, besides Kuai Liang, is the exact reason so many Sub-Zero fans are pissed. That's why I hate when people come in and say "who cares, this is a new story." Yea but it erases so much story build that Sub-Zero had and honestly I'm with the group that says if anyone shouldn't have been touched it was Sub-Zero.

So many characters needed touch ups in this game, especially as far as character development goes like Smoke, Baraka, Reptile, Jade, Hell, half the cast.

The thing is they didn't do that. Baraka and Reptile were prime cases. They just got screwed again as far as story development goes, and they ruined the best storyline character they had with Sub-Zero. Which is a step back in my opinion. It was an opportunity to come in and say "Hey these minor characters need some spotlight, while not screwing up what we have already established with our main characters. They missed an opportunity though, which is sad really. So much development only to rip it away.

Characters that got screwed up:
Sub-Zero(Need I say more)
Raiden (Looked like an idiot)
Shang Tsung (Self Explanatory as well, Quan chi stole his spotlight)
Mileena(Apparently didn't even grow up with Kitana)
Kung Lao(Hot-headed and got his neck snapped way too early)

Characters that needed help but didn't get it:
Reptile
Baraka
Sheeva
Kano
Noob Saibot (got a good makeover visually, but no real defining moment)
Smoke( He still didn't get much character development)
Jade (Same)

Granted most of these are bad guys they still could have given them more personality, like Sektor got a major improvement. Instead most of them came off looking like stooges to a boss character who I absolutely hate, and not good hate either, Quan Chi. If I hated him for storyline reasons it would be good hate, but it wasn't. I just kept thinking what the f**k are you stealing Shang Tsung's spotlight for? It really pissed me off how bad Shang got screwed over as I've always seen him as the main badguy of MK.

I don't know I just feel this game was a missed opportunity. Things could have changed for the better or the story could have been told for the first time with good visuals.

Instead it honestly changed for the worst, IMO, and didn't develop characters that were in major need of attention. Just a complete waste as far as story goes, gameplay wise it's pretty good, but the story overall to me would get a 5/10.

5/10 because they made an attempt and I'll give them effort for trying, but they just dropped half of what was good about a lot of their characters in exchange for personality's that just didn't fit. They also made scenes look just dumb, (Jax's arms rip scene, Sub-Zero getting captured, Cyber Sub having characters in his system that weren't even in the game yet, much less he couldn't have been cyber for long how the hell did he get all of those people in his system.) Things just didn't add up, or make sense. That's why I give a 5/10.

Back onto Cyber Subz though, I never would have introduced him now, I would have just brought Hydro into the fold instead. That way we could keep him around and people not be pissed, remember I don't hate Cyber Subz just the way it happens scream we wanted to shock people, and they knew this would piss people off. So now they are going to have to backtrack in order to find a solution which they wouldn't have to do if Kuai Liang was never turned in the first place.