I didn't mean that you were outright accusing people of racism, but IMO saying all X looks the same, IMO, is at the least slightly bigoted. I for one think Cyrax looks totally different from Jax, And as for Liu and Kung the problem there is that they never look the same from game to game. If we had seen them look the same for a few games in a row it would be much easier to pick them out if they weren't wearing iconic costume pieces or had different hair lengths. But anyway, we're getting off topic.

I'm glad you dig human sektor because I agree that as a Sektor fan you're opinion is more important than mine as not a fan. Not really more weighted, but it is at least good that you fans like his look

My only REAL complaint (despite my not quite serious rants last night) is that the Lin Kuei seems to have no dress code anymore. In the past they were all similarly dressed in ninja-esque stealthy attire...now it seems its been retconned that anything goes in that outfit.

I think they both look wonderful :)

and im pretty sure they will have different animations for their move.(plus look at that picture of cyrax posing with all black around him, he must have performed a fatality and hes posing a diffrent way then his robot form :p)

Also i wouldn't think NRS would be lazy like that anymore :)

Sektor does look like Shang Tsung, but i think because of that goatee and pony tail. Sektors facial hair is more thin then Shang Tsungs.

i think if we wait till we see actual game play, then we should all judge

I don't know if you read my addition to my post. But regardless. I agree with your post accept the first part. I personally, when I think of Jade, think of you. Its just the way it works. Aside from canon making sense type of opinion. I don't believe any personal preference form myself should be above that of jade fans.

Who the fuck am I to tell Queve that his opinion of sonya should be disregarded and mine should be followed? Shadaloo to smoke? you to jade? MINION to stryker?

Hardcore fans are the only reason MK is still here. And while remaining in a level-headed area of what is proper for character and canon development. I would never impose on somebody else's "baby"

I'm not saying my opinion is infinitely superior to yours. Or even infinitely superior when it comes to Sektor. Any of you who believe I am like that clearly have had your eyes wide shut for the past 7 years.

Im all for equality. But I also believe hardcore fans deserve their due ground in certain subjects. Respect among fans.

This I can completely agree with and its a perfect example. Im easily one of the biggest Lin Kuei freaks. Yet again, I'm open to argument when it makes sense to realistic canon or character development.
I agree, but I feel there should be degree of acceptance here given we are playing a game where the characters (nowadays) need to look different in order to be interesting. I cant complain really. If we had colour swaps in this game that weren't completely intentionally classic costumes, Id be pretty upset.

I believe you mistake importance of someone's opinion with respect of someone's opinion. Indeed, I respect your opinion about Sektor over anyone else's, but I don't see it as any more important than my own or someone else's.

I would never tell you how to feel about a character, but at the same time I believe no one should tell me how I feel about a character, no matter how hardcore the fan is about a certain character.

For example, I dislike Scorpion and I don't care about Nightwolf. I have my reasons for having these opinions about those characters. And a Scorpion or a Nightwolf fan can't make me change my mind about them. Nor would I try and make others change their opinions about Jade. I can provide them with some information about Jade which might make them change their opinions about Jade based on those informations, but nothing will justify me going all "JADE IS COOL, YOUR OPINION HAS NO VALUE BECAUSE YOU SUCK!!" on someone's ass... even if I wanted to do that a few times when on this forum. XD

I hope you understand my point. ^^

That's true enough, but there could be ways to make people look like they're part of the clan without just being a subby palette swap. I would have liked to have seen Sektor look like sub's alt from MKD, only with a black ponytail and red or orange trim on his clothing. Nobody would confuse him with Ermac looking like that.

They can do a lot with character design these days to make them unique without losing the Lin Kuei look. The Lin Kuei we've seen in the past...Hydro (talk about being a long time fan...I bought that comic NEW), the MKSZ grand master, the dead Lin Kuei in Frost's ending...all look like like they have standard attire. Now, I could see the best assassins they have, like Smoke and Subby, Sektor and Cyrax being given some degree of wiggle room, but they shouldn't look SO different from one another

Agreed, let me just say. I'm not telling anybody how to feel. You can all want every character to have a clown uniform. As long as you have reasonable evidence to support. It shall be listened to. You all have the choice to not listen to me, call me an "idiot" as it was so eloquently put, or whatever you like. But try and have some common thought other than "omgz he looks liek shang booooo". Because your gonna sturr the pot. Especially with me.

Oh, you're no idiot. Not at all. Please don't take my responses like me proving something like that, because that was in no way my intend. You indeed have my respect. ^^

I know it's not popular to say, but the hardcore fan's opinion is more valuable in regards to judging a character. If the developers want feedback on Sektor, they should consult the people who understand the character and have supported it for multiple years. I would hope they're not jotting down notes from a guy who vaguely likes red robots.

When developers listen to fans, they listen to the information those fans have to provide about the characters. Their opinion about "This is cool." or "This sucks!" doesn't really matter - it's why something is cool or sucks that matters.

@Casselman
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I apologize for taking it the wrong way, I read it as though you felt you were "the better" Sektor fan and therefore your opinion was better than those who didn't like Sektor as much.


After writing the word idiot it did seem stupid of me to insult you, so that was the reason for the edit.

But not all "Whys" weigh the same. For example, lot of people are supporting Cyber-Sub because they're bored with human Sub-Zero. That's a shitty reason, and if people had just paid attention to the story, they'd realize he wasn't boring at all.

I don't mean to put words in your mouth. I'm sure you've encountered similar problems with people dismissing Jade. For me, it's just frustrating to see people who don't main Sub-Zero, don't use him as a counter-pick, haven't debated his post mk3 story, who then just out of the blue stamp Cyber-Sub with their approval. I respect their opinion, but I will never say their opinion weighs the same as those who have consistently supported the character. Someone can't say Sub has a better story now if they don't even know his story from MKDA/MKD.

To be fair, I don't think fan input had anything to do with implementation of Cyber-Sub. They would have probably done that no matter what.

The clown might be a part of one of Shang's Fatalities, apparently.

I have no idea why people think the clown is Shang. Shang has two costumes already. This has to be Baraka's alt. because of the teeth. Or an NPC in challenge tower.

Agree /\ /\ /\

I've mained subby since 92 and I'm really kinda upset about his new fate. I mean he looks okay, but it was really just for shock value that it happens.

Not to offend anyone, but I wonder how much of the support for this from non Sub fans is because he's one of the premier characters and they like seeing him screwed up a bit? Like if they really screw up subbie maybe their character will ascend onto the cover of the next games? I mean, it is just a game so I can't be TOO upset, but i do wonder about the non sub fans being so giddy about this.

It's due to one of his apparent leaked fatalities in which

I don't believe it however, but I think the clown is cool :)

The idea of the clown being related to Baraka is asinine.

I think Sheeva tears off the skin then tears it in half like paper, or she tears off the skin from one half then from the other
The clown is shit scary btw

I'd like to know why everyone seems to think it's Shang Tsung?! I'm going to say if it's anyone it's Stryker's alt. Doesn't he have a gun fatality? Makes sense to me from the image.

As far as Cyrax, and Sektor's alts go though, they look awesome in Human form. I'm thinking they actually might have different animations that their cyborg form. Notice how Cyrax actually have his bombs on his hip? Seeing as how Cyborg Subby is most likely going to have different animations than his human form, I don't see why Cyrax, and Sector's human forms won't either. The only difference is that NRS decided to make cyber Sub-Zero his own identity, and character, while Cyrax, and Sector simply have there alt forms as alt costumes.

Stryker, what were you thinking? lol

Lol it's not Stryker and it's not Baraka(to whoever said that). No one here can legitimately say they know who it is, but Shang makes the most sense. It has already been said that ever character has 3 finishers(if this is true or not we have yet to confirm) and the assumption is that every character will have two fatalities and 1 other type of finisher. Therefore, using this assumption, it's safe to say this is Shang's friendship. The MK team is known for having inside jokes, so this is clearly alluding to The Joker from MK vs DC. The Joker's gun fatality in that game was the only violent part of the game and was even censored. So Evil-looking clown with gun == Joker allusion. That's the way im taking it at least since it make the most sense to me

I didn't say anyone would necessarily -sue- anyone else, just that there might be legal problems.

Having the same parent company and being the same company are not the same thing.

Netherrealm Studios and DC Comics are still two entirely separate companies, they just answer to the same people.

That does NOT give them free legal reign to use each others characters without regard, whenever they want, in any situation. They couldn't just throw Joker into this game without consequences. DC doesn't want their characters anywhere near a game this violent, which is why MKvsDC's violence was so severely toned down.

That would be like Marvel allowing Wolverine to decapitate Buzz Lightyear in a comic book and then responding, "Well... we're owned by Disney now... Pixar is owned by Disney... so it's all cool right?"

No. Pixar would still be pissed. And they'd probably attack Marvel legally in response. Seek some sort of legal damages.

Disney might be able to get the lawsuits dropped and or settled quietly, but it's not unheard of for lawsuits to arise "in house" when you're dealing with businesses, or collections of businesses, this big.

in that case I have newfound hope that the gay ass clown isn't shang because whatever idiot speculated the joker was shang's previous foe obviously forgot that mkdc happened years after mk1-3.

Good. Probly a challenge tower npc. I approve.

can't complain about the human cyborgs. LOL @ people thinking their chest is gonna open and missiles and bombs and shits are gonna come out. they've got to be all new characters.

whatever @ the clown. wouldn't be the first time weird shit popped up in MK. it's a video game people.