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03/23/2011 05:23 PM (UTC)
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I was initially indifferent/not-so-happy regarding Kratos inclusion in the new MK, however after watching this all I can think to say is THANK YOU SONY! :wub:

P.s. Ermac's alt costume is SO much better than his shitty default one.
P.P.S. poor brave QUeen Sindel getting her ass kicked. She needs a gameplay trailer.
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03/23/2011 05:27 PM (UTC)
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Everybody who's butthurt about kratos' inclusion and mks "purity" really needs to sit back and watch this video from when the whole deal came about before you start shooting off your mouth about knowing whats best for the game / series.

http://www.gametrailers.com/episode/bonusround/409

Granted, chapter 4 (http://www.gametrailers.com/episode/bonusround/409?ch=4) is the corner of the situation, given thats where the pitch happens, but the entire conference is a good look into the mind of developers (who are in fact human beings).

Ed Boon is just a guy, and so is his team. They all have their own interests, and they all love games. They work on MK day in and day out, but its not the only game they love. And you better be damn sure if you were in their position and the opportunity presented itself to work with a game property you love, or even somehow involve that in something you've created, you would jump at it.

A lot of people say MKvDC was a stupid idea, but are you telling me that if WB came to you and said hey, we're going to let you put your hands on fucking batman and superman and the flash in your next game. You'd be like, "Naw, i'm not interested, my game is too good for those guys." Get the fuck outta here.

Point is, this is how games evolve and become great things. A lot of MK9s greatness directly stems from lessons learned with MKvDC, and I'm sure both Kratos and MK will be better for this collaboration. If you want to wallow in the notion of purity and what not thats fine, but thats how things get stale. Look at Madden, Guitar Hero, CoD, hell, even more classic franchises like Mario and Megaman and Zelda. The developers on those titles don't get to express themselves, or experiment because that would be "tampering with the products purity".

I'm not saying the kind of flowchart games we see year in year out are inherently bad, but there's a lot to be said about branching out and just doing what you want with your property.
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03/23/2011 05:31 PM (UTC)
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Fenix Wrote:
Everybody who's butthurt about kratos' inclusion and mks "purity" really needs to sit back and watch this video from when the whole deal came about before you start shooting off your mouth about knowing whats best for the game / series.

http://www.gametrailers.com/episode/bonusround/409

Granted, chapter 4 (http://www.gametrailers.com/episode/bonusround/409?ch=4) is the corner of the situation, given thats where the pitch happens, but the entire conference is a good look into the mind of developers (who are in fact human beings).

Ed Boon is just a guy, and so is his team. They all have their own interests, and they all love games. They work on MK day in and day out, but its not the only game they love. And you better be damn sure if you were in their position and the opportunity presented itself to work with a game property you love, or even somehow involve that in something you've created, you would jump at it.

A lot of people say MKvDC was a stupid idea, but are you telling me that if WB came to you and said hey, we're going to let you put your hands on fucking batman and superman and the flash in your next game. You'd be like, "Naw, i'm not interested, my game is too good for those guys." Get the fuck outta here.

Point is, this is how games evolve and become great things. A lot of MK9s greatness directly stems from lessons learned with MKvDC, and I'm sure both Kratos and MK will be better for this collaboration. If you want to wallow in the notion of purity and what not thats fine, but thats how things get stale. Look at Madden, Guitar Hero, CoD, hell, even more classic franchises like Mario and Megaman and Zelda. The developers on those titles don't get to express themselves, or experiment because that would be "tampering with the products purity".

I'm not saying the kind of flowchart games we see year in year out are inherently bad, but there's a lot to be said about branching out and just doing what you want with your property.


well said.
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03/23/2011 05:33 PM (UTC)
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Kratos fighting looks so out of place. He looks fun, kinda, but him looking so out of place in this game makes me hate him being in it. And Ermac needs more red, why does everyone like his alt when he looks like Noob? Add more red, take the hood off, and add more fucking red! It's way too black.
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03/23/2011 05:37 PM (UTC)
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Kratos is a crying little emo.
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03/23/2011 05:39 PM (UTC)
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Fenix Wrote:
Everybody who's butthurt about kratos' inclusion and mks "purity" really needs to sit back and watch this video from when the whole deal came about before you start shooting off your mouth about knowing whats best for the game / series.

http://www.gametrailers.com/episode/bonusround/409

Granted, chapter 4 (http://www.gametrailers.com/episode/bonusround/409?ch=4) is the corner of the situation, given thats where the pitch happens, but the entire conference is a good look into the mind of developers (who are in fact human beings).

Ed Boon is just a guy, and so is his team. They all have their own interests, and they all love games. They work on MK day in and day out, but its not the only game they love. And you better be damn sure if you were in their position and the opportunity presented itself to work with a game property you love, or even somehow involve that in something you've created, you would jump at it.
No way in hell i'm gonna watch 52 minutes of that or even all of ch 4. minutes and seconds to ff to plox.

A lot of people say MKvDC was a stupid idea, but are you telling me that if WB came to you and said hey, we're going to let you put your hands on fucking batman and superman and the flash in your next game. You'd be like, "Naw, i'm not interested, my game is too good for those guys." Get the fuck outta here.
GTFO yourself. It was a stupid idea. They could have learned just as much by making MK vs MK and implemented it into MK9. And get out with the BS that they created MKDC because of love of the DC characters. Now if you said, "If WB came and said to you, 'we're going to milk comic book fanboys for every penny they've got and you'll be richer for it'" I could actually believe that's how things went down in the development phase of MKDC. But to try to argue that the team said, "Boy, scorpion is great, but I sure wish he were fighting against WONDER WOMAN," is just retarded.
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03/23/2011 05:45 PM (UTC)
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Awesome video. I wanna kill Kratos now ha ha.
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03/23/2011 05:52 PM (UTC)
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Okay, I've stated this on the Dutch MK forum, and I'll state the same here: I didn't want to see a guest character is this MK game. We've been waiting for an awesome game for a long time, so guest characters should not be included.

HOWEVER... next to the MK franchise, I love the God of War series! If they ever would include a guest, I'm happy it turned out to be Kratos. I saw someone here state that having Kratos in, will bring more people to buy MK and I think that's nothing less than the truth. Also saw the statement that Harry Potter should be brought in fo that matter... but that's ridiculous. Kratos is a gruesome, torturing godkiller from a mythical and magical world. He fits the bill all the way. I'd take Kratos over the DC crap any day!


About the trailer... we're shown quite a lot of signature moves, and Kratos seems like he is really kicking ass. I'm not surprised people call him broken already, but I'm still optimistic he won't be that overpowered. I just think that because I was also blown away by the Noob and Kabal trailers recently. So I have high hopes the Ghost of Sparta isn't broken.

Also... I understand Kratos needs promotion... let's all hope he's not gonna dominate the last weeks we have till the release!
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03/23/2011 05:52 PM (UTC)
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Not sure what people are seeing in Kratos thats broke.

Nearest I can tell he's got

Arrow Shot - 2 shots, or ex 3 delayed shots, which may be good, but any of the teleport / reflectors can punish.
Shoulder charge - Same as subby / reptile slide
Helios stun - sindel scream, cyrax net, etc
Parry launcher - liu kang
Slow mo launcher - looks like kitana's b+2 with some add ons, probably same as superman's breath links and probably not as valuable as doing a real juggle off the b2.
QTE - Connects off a forward stab, functionally identical to Kabal's swing grab. Looks like it has an EX flash in the vid, so normal one probably isn't even multipart.
XRay - Connects off a long range slice and doesn't look like it has followups (unless they somehow stay standing after a tiger glove to the face).

He does look cool as hell and I'm officially jealous, but competitively Liu, Kabal, Noob, Scorpion, Ermac, and Johnny all look way more broken than he does.


I completely disagree with you here, I went to pax and played several times and Noob and Ermac are definately NOT broken. I dont think Kabal will be either. I also have the Demo and Johnny Cage is absolutely NOT broken, he is extremely well balanced, even hard to use sometimes. Scorpion might be a little broken but once you know how he plays is easy to punish him.
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03/23/2011 05:55 PM (UTC)
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Wow, I am so happy I'm getting this on Xboxgrin

Although I would like the opportunity to kill Katos..
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EmperorKahn
03/23/2011 05:57 PM (UTC)
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In truth I'm just thankful there is another mk game. just think to think that had mk not teamed up with wb there wouldn't be anymore mk.

lets all be thankful, I mean we are getting everything we are asking for and our wants weigh much more than the teams. so it does sound a little greedy of us to question one of the things they want in their game when we have dictated everything else and got it.
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03/23/2011 06:14 PM (UTC)
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Huge fan of both series.

Until proven otherwise, Kratos being included in the PS3 version makes this the best option available to MK fans who own both systems.

Everything about Kratos in a MK world makes sense, and this trailer just proves that.

If you replaced him with any legit MK character in this trailer, all the fans would be going crazy over it. But because it's Kratos, a lot of FORCED insults are being displayed in quite a few posts.

Can't wait.

I'm going to pick up the Xbox360 version for my bro, and get the PS3 version for myself.
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03/23/2011 06:14 PM (UTC)
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Fans talked to GoW Team, and fans talked to MK team, then GoW and MK talked to each other, then MK9 Kratos was born. It wasn't a marketing ploy, or a fluke, or even fate, it was people doing something together because they thought it would be cool. The fact that you're not even going to watch the video but continue to argue your infantile point is downright ignorant.

unseenwombat Wrote:GTFO yourself. It was a stupid idea. They could have learned just as much by making MK vs MK and implemented it into MK9. And get out with the BS that they created MKDC because of love of the DC characters. Now if you said, "If WB came and said to you, 'we're going to milk comic book fanboys for every penny they've got and you'll be richer for it'" I could actually believe that's how things went down in the development phase of MKDC.


A) You are 100% whats wrong with the fanbase and the industry. You're not a fan, you're a parasite with an overblown sense of entitlement.

"Oh noes! These guys who made this thing I love and adore are total sell outs! I should boycott them or simply ignore them, but instead I will stalk and criticize them like a deranged ex-girlfriend! Why do they torment me so!?"

b) Have you ever offered up anything for public consumption? How many games have you made? How many things at all? Have you ever even made dinner for more than yourself? Did you do it just like the recipe or did you try to make it your own? Get that onion the fuck out of here, my hamburger is PURE!

c) They already MADE your precious MK vs MK. Twice in fact. They were called MK Armageddon and MK Trilogy, and they were fucking terrible. All the characters, all the plot, all the gameplay, and it was a goddamned tragedy. No guest characters then, how come they weren't the best games ever made? Maybe because the inclusion of one goddamned guest character doesn't make or break a game.

Why don't you and all the purists go back to your purity island and tell ghost stories of commercial conspiracies by a campfire filled with MKT and MKA discs.
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03/23/2011 06:25 PM (UTC)
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I find it completely ridiculous that people are already claiming Kratos looks broken, Compared to to Raiden? yes, but Noob Saibot looks broken compared to Raiden.
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03/23/2011 06:29 PM (UTC)
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Joe-Von-Zombie Wrote:
I find it completely ridiculous that people are already claiming Kratos looks broken, Compared to to Raiden? yes, but Noob Saibot looks broken compared to Raiden.


Whats broken about Noob?
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03/23/2011 06:35 PM (UTC)
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Fenix Wrote:
Joe-Von-Zombie Wrote:
I find it completely ridiculous that people are already claiming Kratos looks broken, Compared to to Raiden? yes, but Noob Saibot looks broken compared to Raiden.


Whats broken about Noob?


Nothing, I'm saying he looks more powerful than Raiden.
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03/23/2011 06:37 PM (UTC)
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Fenix Wrote:
Fans talked to GoW Team, and fans talked to MK team, then GoW and MK talked to each other, then MK9 Kratos was born. It wasn't a marketing ploy, or a fluke, or even fate, it was people doing something together because they thought it would be cool. The fact that you're not even going to watch the video but continue to argue your infantile point is downright ignorant.

unseenwombat Wrote:GTFO yourself. It was a stupid idea. They could have learned just as much by making MK vs MK and implemented it into MK9. And get out with the BS that they created MKDC because of love of the DC characters. Now if you said, "If WB came and said to you, 'we're going to milk comic book fanboys for every penny they've got and you'll be richer for it'" I could actually believe that's how things went down in the development phase of MKDC.


A) You are 100% whats wrong with the fanbase and the industry. You're not a fan, you're a parasite with an overblown sense of entitlement.

"Oh noes! These guys who made this thing I love and adore are total sell outs! I should boycott them or simply ignore them, but instead I will stalk and criticize them like a deranged ex-girlfriend! Why do they torment me so!?"

b) Have you ever offered up anything for public consumption? How many games have you made? How many things at all? Have you ever even made dinner for more than yourself? Did you do it just like the recipe or did you try to make it your own? Get that onion the fuck out of here, my hamburger is PURE!

c) They already MADE your precious MK vs MK. Twice in fact. They were called MK Armageddon and MK Trilogy, and they were fucking terrible. All the characters, all the plot, all the gameplay, and it was a goddamned tragedy. No guest characters then, how come they weren't the best games ever made? Maybe because the inclusion of one goddamned guest character doesn't make or break a game.

Why don't you and all the purists go back to your purity island and tell ghost stories of commercial conspiracies by a campfire filled with MKT and MKA discs.


Wow... owned.
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03/23/2011 06:49 PM (UTC)
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I have to say Kratos looks like a cheap character to use, I don't know how much damage he deals out but he looks like he's really over powered. He also has a ton of special moves and sub zero only has a few and one of them is useless, kinda crappy if u ask me.
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03/23/2011 06:55 PM (UTC)
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I love this video! I am so happy Kratos is showing up in a fighter where he should be. Though I do agree with some of the other posts about how they are plugging the crap out of Kratos and not some of the other MK characters. It makes sense and everything (from a business standpoint at least) to do so but it is kind of lame.

That being said I already love how he seems to play (though I think his Xray is a little lack luster). And what was up with that counter?? was that his breaker?
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03/23/2011 06:59 PM (UTC)
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everything up to now has been mk except with a few kratos bits. we haven't seen any kratos gameplay thats why he is getting the attention at this moment.
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03/23/2011 07:00 PM (UTC)
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Kratos doesn't look cheap or OP at all.
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03/23/2011 07:14 PM (UTC)
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I'm not happy that we are probably going to see tons of promotional material featuring this character when we still have the likes of Jade, Sindel, and Ermac with little to nothing of footage and presentation.

Ugh.

yeah yeah yeah, I get he is the one and only KRATOS and all, but, having a guest character to promote MK by shinning more than the actual real characters of the game makes me kind of annoyed.

Not because I dislike Kratos (played those 3 games like crazy), but, because I dislike the idea behind it.

Anyone else feel this way?

And don't bite my head off, its just my opinion.


I agree. I don't like this at all.
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03/23/2011 07:17 PM (UTC)
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@Fenix:

So all of a sudden now anybody who doesn't like having a guest character in this game is butthurt? Ha ok. Go ahead and talk more shit about people who have different opinions than you
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03/23/2011 07:24 PM (UTC)
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@Joe,
I dunno man, barring the truly broken shit (Lantern, Supes, Flash) I thought Raiden was pretty beast in MKvDC on account of that light speed teleport.

Nearest I can tell he's still got that, and the lit grab (was it unblockable in MK2?) that leaves the opponent juggled without EX and a projectile xray.

He certainly looks boring as balls, but I think competitively he's going good.

Looks like really only Sindel (cause we haven't seen anything) and maybe Mileena are going to be actually gimp. I'm actually worried Jax is going to suck big time if the range on his ground pounds stays goofy.
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03/23/2011 07:27 PM (UTC)
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Kratos is just a "guest" : someone that is invited for the party time, but just as a guest, not as part of the main event.

Since his presence will not interfere in main story mode, so, he can come to versus mode, have fights online and just kill or die, and , in the end of day, he is just an "extra" , without none significance inside MK universe.

Anyway, someone can imagine this "agreement" between Sony and NRS, could make Scorpion appear as cameo in the next GOW game ? hehe
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